Silencer trial ends in guilty verdicts

| October 31, 2014

I got tons of emails while this trial was going on over the last several days. But, honestly, I couldn’t bring myself to understand the thing. Apparently, a couple of guys tried to sell some silencers that didn’t work to the government who didn’t order them. See? But, finally, Stars & Stripes reports that the trial ended in guilty verdicts for the fellows who couldn’t make silencers that work, and that I can understand;

Lee M. Hall, a civilian Navy intelligence official at the Pentagon, and Mark S. Landersman, the mechanic, were convicted of conspiring to build 349 untraceable silencers — without a firearms license — and shipping them across state lines for a sensitive mission that was never fully explained in court.

U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema, who delivered the verdicts after bench trials in Alexandria, Virginia, said she was unconvinced by defense attorneys’ assertions that the silencers were needed for a clandestine purpose and were necessarily obtained outside of normal channels.

“I do not accept the argument that because this might have been covert, that somehow that excuses the participants from playing by the rules,” she said.

Somehow, there was 1.6 million bucks involved that was somehow owed to these guys, but the government denies that they ordered the things…and oh, did I mention that the silencers weren’t silencing?

Defense attorneys said the price was reasonable because Mark Landersman had spent years working on the design. They also hinted that the silencers’ poor performance was exactly why the Navy ordered them — suggesting obliquely that they were destined to end up in the hands of foreign guerrillas who may or may not have been friends of the United States.

Sorting out the truth of the case has been made even more challenging because of the destruction of potential evidence.

Navy security officers testified that they incinerated documents last year that had been seized from the offices of Hall and David Landersman — three days after The Washington Post published a front-page article about the unfolding investigation. Defense attorneys also accused the Navy of destroying a secret stash of automatic weapons that the silencers were designed to fit.

See, that’s why I couldn’t bring myself to pay attention to the story. I mean, I could design and build twice that many silencers that don’t work for half of that price. I’ll even pretend to work on the design for years, if that’s all it takes. Anyway, someone is going to jail, but probably not enough people by the sounds of it.

Category: Dumbass Bullshit

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Mustang1LT

Uh, WTF, over? I’m confused. If the silencer doesn’t silence, then has a crime been committed?

Gravel

hahahahahaha I thought the same thing.

Hondo

Actually, unless made by a gun manufacturer with the proper licenses – apparently the answer is yes. They’re regulated items under the National Firearms Act.

rgr1480

— Hmmmmm ….. Okay, I’m throwing away the 2-ltr soda bottles, steel wool, and 100-mile-an-hour-tape ….

after wiping away all fingerprints.

Gravel

Fire!

Fire will burn or melt all of that crap away. No fingerprints leftover in the ash or melted goo.

If you’re still suspect about evidence, just take the ash and goo and stick it a blender on frappe, add a couple ounces of water. Can’t print slurry. Juuuust saaaayin’

rgr1480

Grave, Thanks! I’ll have to file that receipe for future use!

“…
But there’s ashy goo in the blender,
And soon it will render
That slurry concoction that helps me bang on….”

rgr1480

*Gravel

Dunno what happened to that final “l”.

Joe

Good one.

ChipNASA

This is the scariest Halloween story I’ve ever heard.

Can we have a “No SHIT, I was there…TRUE STORY!!” scary Halloween Thread?

/something, something….almost got caught banging the First Sergeant’s 16 year old daughter and had to climb out the second story window on to the garage roof in my underwear, my clothes in a ball under my arm, and run many blocks while trying to get dressed and not be seen all the way back to the dormitory.
(not me….a guy in my squadron)

rgr1480

1976, Sembach AB, FGR. Senior Master Sergeant (1st Sgt?)’s 15 year-old daughter …. in the barracks for a few days, 2nd floor.

Not me …. some guys down the hall.

Geeeeeezzzzzzz! Dunno if ever they were caught, but holy halloween! That’s jail time.

ChipNASA

b> rgr

Well that could have been me had I not known better….

I was at Kadena AB Okinawa not too long in the dorm and saw this HAWT young woman walk by in a tank top, no bra and tight shorts and I said to my new buddy…”Who the hell was that??…I’d totally want to ….” and my friend cut me off and said …”Dude, that’s the First Sergeant’s Daughter…and if you see her around the dorm….”….
I said……”Oh…”
🙁
/(cue trombone) wahhhh wahhh wahh wahhhhhhhhhhhh

Twist

When I was at Campbell the DIV CSM’s daughter spent a lot of time in the barracks. I think she earned her EIB.

ChipNASA

EIB=

Entry in Back
Every Infrantryman’s Bitch
Enlisted Idiot’s Bovine

Twist

Everybody In the Barracks.

Mustang1LT

Was this in the late 90’s timeframe? I seem to remember my brother telling me about a SGMs daughter out there who had some of those escapades. Including one where one of his friends was doing the deed with her in the SGMs on-post house and he left a souvenir behind the washing machine.

Twist

Why yes, sir, it was in the late 90’s. If I remember correctly it was 3/327th barracks.

Fish

Musta been something in the water at Sembach. Similar story in 87-88 timeframe to squadron mate…SNCO’s daughter roaming the dorms.

Smitty

Early 200 had the post commanders daughter running around the barracks then getting sent off with a guy who’s wife just left him and lived off post. Didnt know who she was until the post commander showed up to work call saying he was told she had been seen around our barracks.

Smitty

That was early 2000s

Pinto Nag

What’s the old saw? “Fifteen’ll get you twenty”? Something like that.

PavePusher

Overseas, enlisted dorms, USAF Chief’s daughter, alcohol, letting myself be abused….

That’s all I can say for another 30 days….

Side note, today’s my last duty day, start terminal leave tomorrow. 24 years gone in an eye-blink, what the hell happened?!

Twist

I started terminal leave on June second and the first of September was my fist day as a civilian. How time flies. It seems like it was yesterday that guys in funny hats were yelling at me.

MustangCryppie

Congratulations on making it through to the finish line in one piece!

A Proud Infidel®™

Returning from one AT one year, a cute gal was seen walking across the Armory drill hall floor. A few whispers followed by a muffled “HWY, that’s the BC’s 16 year old Daughter!” and everybody STFU!

Gravel

While in the Army I was a saint.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. (I’m to old for there to be cellphone video or still picture evidence to the contrary.)

2/17 Air Cav

Yeah, that’s one of the nice things about being young and crazy in the old days. There was no instant messaging, camera phones, cell phones, or other instant evidence tools. If the Pony Express couldn’t get through, well, no one heard jack about it.

David

had a buddy I met in AIT who retired as the CSM of the same training post. I offered to come tell stories at his retirement of his high points when he was an enlisted student in the barracks there… for some reason he declined.

Open Channel D

Back in middle 70s, I was working in the ER at NRMC GLAKES. The CMC of RTC came in with his 17 year old daughter (I had turned 19 a few days earlier). She sat on a toy sailboat in the bathtub with her baby sister and suffered a cut.

She needed about 8 stitches near a sensitive area that rhymes with SAINT. Normally, I could throw in 8 stitches in 90 seconds. It took me AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES. I put in 14 of the most beautiful and perfect stitches you ever saw. I guarantee there, to this day, is no scar.

Normally, a suture check after 24-48 hours and a suture removal after 7-10 days is indicated. I wrote in her chart to come back every day for a week after school. The CMC wised up after the 1st day and had a leadership time-out with me on the smoking deck. For a very brief period of time, it was renamed the “choking deck.” Message received loud and clear Master Chief.

She ended up marrying a Supply Corps officer. I bet her CMC-Dad wished she’d let her hook up with me after that, FFS.

Sparks

Open Channel D…I applaud you. You did the right and proper, medically necessary thing in following up on a patient with stitches in a sensitive area, prone to infection for various reasons. By the way, did you have anyone else offer to, you know for training purposes, look over your shoulder on the recheck? 😀

The Other Whitey

I’m sure somebody will try to make this an “evil guns” case, but it sounds a lot more like fraud to me.

Sparks

Well at $4584.52 per useless silencer, something should have worked. I can hear them now, “I’m no expert here but aren’t you suppose to be able to see all the way through these things?”