Yeah? Tell Us Something We Didn’t Already Know
To continue with the theme from Jonn’s article earlier today:
CBO Director: Obamacare ‘Creates a Disincentive for People to Work’
No sh!t. I think anyone with three or more working brain cells figured that out about 4 years ago.
Category: Health Care debate
That fantastic grasp of the obvious explains how the director of the CBO got his job.
Obama Phone – Check
Food Stamps – Check
Housing – Check
Free Edumication – Check
Benefits Card – Check
Unemployment – Check
Obama Care – Check
Day Care – Check
Ambulance Rides – Check
Birth Control Pills – Check
Web Site to Get More Free Stuff: http://www.benefits.gov/ – Check
Working – Not Checked
My wife and I are busting our asses in the only jobs we can find and we have enough to life with about $25 a month after food and bills. I’m giving up 18% of my check in taxes AND my VA benefits have been reduced to $1.92 a month for the past 2 months and nobody at the VA can tell me why.
Doesn’t the CBO director’s remarks come under the heading of “No shit, Sherlock”?
It also creates disincentive to hire anyone for more than 29.5 hours when we are discussing the people most affected by lower income. Several companies have made it clear and have already started moving workers from 32-40 hours to 29.5 hours to avoid paying the penalty for not providing benefits. Retail workers have thus far been most affected by this move, many of them have had benefits such as vacation and sick time. Companies are now able to save that benefit cost as well as not provide health care by reducing the part timers to less than 30 hours….so these people who were at the lower end of the scale are now worse off and we will have to subsidize these folks as well. The corporations won’t be responsible for them, we will through direct subsidy to their mandated health care….ACA not a job killer my 4ss…
Once again proving why it is stupid to tie health care to employment….of course looking for reasonable leadership and an alternative plan from the republicans is like trying to find a virgin at the bunny ranch….
This is definitely in the , “Well, DUH!” department. However, when the only objective is to break what is not broken, it really doesn’t matter how it’s done as long as there is plenty of confusion. The rest takes care of itself.
Am thinking along the lines of throwing a monkey wrench into a functioning turbine. You really don’t need to aim well, or know anything about the moving parts of the turbine. Just give that wrench a good toss somewhere in the neighborhood of a blade or two, or any other moving part. Guarantee that someone will be saying, “What was that?” in short order. And it will take much longer to fix than it would have taken to maintain what was already working, even with the occasional upgrade and replacement of parts.
Am also reminded that most of us don’t trade in a car just because it needs a new battery.
I for one am excited to be “liberated” from work so I may pursue my dream of becoming a Unicorn Wrangler/Rainbow Harvester. I’d like to thank you all in advance for my healthcare, cell phone, food and spending money.
@7-“Unicorn wrangler/rainbow harvester…” You owe me a new keyboard.
Well damn. After the Army & I split, I worked 25 hours a week at $10.10 an hour for a big box hardware store. You mean I could have made more supporting that guy in the Oval Office and his plans? Fuck that I’ll sell a kidney first.
To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, these morons are going to run out of other people’s money soon. What then? If you pay someone to not work, guess what, pretty soon no one will want to work.
There are a few of us drawing retirement checks which could simply be confiscated from us to pay for it for a little while. Of course, after we die from neglect, not sure what they plan to do next.
Basically, they just don’t care. The ones who put us into this situation got theirs, and will be long gone, leaving us to clean up the mess they made.
As Senator Everett Dirksen supposedly said, “A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you’re talking real money”. Never verified he spoke those words but they apply here.
As @10 UpNorth quoted Thatcher “you’re going to run out of other people’s money”.
Taxpayer money that is. So let’s help the situation by further reducing the number of taxpayers and in turn give THEM more, taxpayer money. Anyone else see a vicious, out of control, down spiral in the making?
And once you are free from your job, like so many welfare folks and illegal aliens are already, you might just need…
Here they all come folks, talking on those “Obama Phones” while they wait in line for the next handout.
Allegedly the WH wants to give a 3 yr extension for individual policies…yes that means past the 2014 midterms, the remainder of Emperor’s time in office, and the NEXT Pres election.
A little sidetrack but still keeping in the topic. Obama phones are being advertised on TV in my area. The company is asking for anyone on food stramps and/unemployment to gret their free phones. This company has to be making money somehow?It’s not a PSA and playing in prime time no less. Joe
@15, it’s in the fees that they charge the paying customers. That funds the Obamaphones. Government fees and taxes fund the phones and the advertising.
Okay now, lets leave the Bunny Ranch out this. Them girls make more than any of us do and besides, Harry Reid might take great offense to his ranch being cussed and discussed.
No shit, the only reason I went back to work after retiring was to get med benefits.
Once again proving why it is stupid to tie health care to employment…. of course looking for reasonable leadership and an alternative plan from the republicans is like trying to find a virgin at the bunny ranch….
There have been plenty of alternative plans by Republicans over the course of the past 2 decades. All ignored by the media and denied a vote in Congress by Democrats.
Texas-care
Democrats Have Been Blocking Health Care Reform Since the Clinton Administration
We have a client that owns a family business. Been around 70 years. They finally relented. They cannot provide health insurance anymore thanks to Obummercare. As a private business with under 25 employees, they do well, but this is the straw that will kill their business.
If I see Jay Carney tell the world one more time how all of this is goddamned rainbows and fucking gumdrops…POW, RITK.
@19 Leadership is bringing your ideas to the forefront regardless of obstacles I stand by my statement that the republicans currently lack leadership, they certainly lack a unified vision and they don’t seem to mind ceding the playing field to the democrats….
I am hoping to see a republican emerge as a leader who is electable and an actual proponent for changing this debacle of a law known as the ACA or eliminating it. In lieu of that somebody better start figuring out how to make it work if they aren’t going to take it apart…
I did the math 2 years ago. I decided to come in under the subsidy level because my insurance would go up over $3,000 if I went over it and I didn’t think working for almost a month for free was a good deal. I work less but I’m no worse off.
Thank you Obama for freeing me from the yoke of a job!!!
@21 VOV Thank you and well said. The problem I have seen in the parties in the last two decades is that the Democrats somehow think ahead and settle on a candidate and start putting them in the forefront well ahead of election. The Republicans on the other hand, have so many wannabe Presidents they end up fielding debates of 8 or 9 folks. Not a good look and not a good way to nail down any platform. They would do well now, even now, to find and vet (and I do mean VET, no hidden secrets to pop up before election) a win worthy candidate and start putting their mug in the American eye and ear. But, what do I know. When the Republicans come out for months with a half dozen guys infighting it just tells the people, they don’t have their stuff together, at all. Makes them look like unorganized buffoons. IMHO only.
jonp: thank the rest of us who are paying taxes. We’re the ones paying your subsidy.
@22 jonp…if you’re looking to make friends and influence people, here anyway, you’re sure going about the the WRONG way. Just saying.
@20: With fewer than 50 employees, what do they have to provide that will kill their business? I can’t tell here: http://www.sba.gov/content/employers-with-up-to-50-employees
@26
The cost to them was reasonable enough before the ACA that they could provide full benefits. Now, it has gone up 300% and will go up even more. It was a perk that they were happy to provide and now they just can’t and it could effectively sink their business.
As has been my experience, most small business owners can offer to pay a sum of money towards the individual getting their own plan but, most do not offer full coverage because the “pool” is small. I used to work for a doc. They offered insurance for just me at 200/month. It was cheaper for me to get my own family plan.
We were a business of 4. We did not offer benefits. I had my own being self-employed. Our premium was the same for 5 years. When ACA passed it went up 32%. I could not afford it, because paying the employees was first and my budget was already stretched. The second year it went up 100% of original premium. So, in effect, for 2012, I would have paid $841/month–. I could not afford it, despite the fact that our business was growing. And finally, for 2013, the premium would have 1589./month not including meds. That is a mortgage payment.
So imagine, you are the one buying insurance for 20 people, what the cost is. You can’t pay people good salaries and then pay for the benefit that goes up 300%. It’s just not good business. It is a huge increase in overhead and cannot be managed. It also forces people who don’t make a lot of money to enter in the “strapped” bottom line because they don’t have and probably cannot get what they had before.