How’s Gun Control Working Out for Brazil?
Gun laws in Brazil are relatively severe. Per Wikipedia (yeah, I know – but I don’t really have the desire to research Brazilian law in-depth myself), gun ownership in Brazil is legal, but heavily restricted.
One must be 25 years of age to own a firearm in Brazil. By law firearms must be registered with the government. A registration tax of R$85 (R$ is the symbol for the Brazilian real) must be paid every three years. Carrying a firearm outside one’s home requires a special permit. However, changes in Brazilian federal policy instituted in 2002 made it effectively impossible to get such a permit today.
Between 1980 and 2011, approximately 1,100,000 Brazilians were murdered. The homicide rate increased by over 130% – from 11.5 per 100,000 population in 1980 to 27 per 100,000 in 2011. Between 2008 and 2011 – a time when Brazil’s economy, like the rest of the world’s economy, cooled – 206,000 Brazilians were murdered (an average of roughly 51,500 per year). And like in the US, murders in Brazil are far more common among males and the young.
For comparison, the US murder rate is now 5.3 per 100,000 population.
Murders in Brazil are now not only a Rio/Sao Paulo problem, either. As commerce and commercial centers have spread across Brazil, so have the murders – murder “followed the money”, so to speak.
That makes sense, actually. Criminals certainly do.
It’s estimated that there are around 17 million firearms in Brazil today. Less than half (only about 8 million) are legally-owned. I’m guessing it’s a safe bet that those used in the vast majority of crimes aren’t of the legally-owned variety.
Yeah, that gun control thing is really working out great for the people of Brazil. Maybe we ought to study their experience. We could certainly learn a thing or two from it.
See there you go, putting a damper in the whole let’s look at gun control in other countries and compare them to the US….it’s always easier when the left looks at a small nation with a largely homogenous population, and thus no actual bearing to the reality of a diverse nation of non-homogenous populations, to make an analysis…after all there are plenty of nice little countries the size of New England with low murder rates and no commonality with the US to work with….
You pick a large non-homogenous population with well-known gang problems and a repressive system of gun laws and point out that the murder rate is almost 6 times that of the US….that’s not going to play well with the liberal meme dude….but I think you knew that.
Oh yeah? Well, what about Liechtenstein, eh? Now there’s a country to look at. Just don’t blink. You’ll miss it.
Great Choice for the Olympics. What is the over-under for murdered tourist. The street boys better watch out though. The government might have another clean up the streets program.
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-09-05/news/mn-782_1_street-children
@3 Well the World Cup is there next year….we’ll see how that goes.
@4–and don’t forget the Summer Olympics in 2016. I think after a few hundred tourists get raped/robbed/murdered if they stray a block off of Ipanema Beach during the World Cup, the IOC might reconsider.
Or not.
If you take 4 cities out of the equation, here in the US, we would rank near the bottom in gun deaths, globally. Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, and I believe, Washington DC are the ones I saw listed.
Yeah, and let’s not forget that obamaman became the first US president to lobby the IOC. He wanted Chicago–a peaceful and bucolic place if there ever was one. For obamaman’s efforts, Chicago got booted from consideration IN THE FIRST ROUND.
In Mexico any gun over 9mm is “exclusive property of the army” … funny enough we all know how everything over 9mm is used so … nope gun control didn’t work in Mexico either
OT, if you can find that study or link it, I’d love to have that. Probably not that far from the truth, either.
@8 – that was the reason .38 Super got so popular there… civilians not allowed to buy military calibers really liked 1911s chambered in the heaviest caliber they could own.
@9 Sparky
as for Mexico: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico
and as most drug dealers get their guns from bobamabanana administration and are ex-military …
this is a nice link showing the 250k smuggled into Mexico that we know are over the caliber and of course not registered: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/03/18/186216/253000-us-guns-smuggled-to-mexico.html#.UelZhGRATTE
Criminals will ALWAYS have guns. Brazil, like the way the libtards want America to go, is to disarm the law abiding citizen to leave them as prey. If it came to it in this country, well, I guess I would have to exercise equal rights with the criminal and own mine illegally. I will not show up in my home for a middle of the night stand down with a thug with only a rolling pin and harsh language. I would rather me and my family be alive and ask forgiveness later than be prayed over as another homeowner killed by intruder statistic.
@9: Here’s one story on it.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/health/story/2011/05/CDC-US-murder-toll-from-guns-highest-in-big-cities/47159990/1
Another story, by the Guardian in the UK, shows that DC is the top of the heap, per capita, in the US according to the FBI statistics.
Sparky, if you go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#UNODC.27s_global_study
There is a link to the UN document in spreadsheet form from the study they cite in the article…I know it’s wikipedia but the link takes you to the UN study…
Or you could just hop to this link:
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html
Which is the UNODC site with lots of spreadsheets…
Hondo, the argument that liberals will counter with boils down to “But they’re different! They’re full of brown people and they aren’t a civilized Western Nation!”
If you really want to see a place that shows had poorly restrictive gun laws work, check out Bermuda. Bermuda is an island of about 20 square miles (long skinny island about 1 mile across and 20 miles long). They have very severe gun and ammo restrictions. Unless you belong to the one rifle and pistol club on the island or work for the police, guns (and ammo) are illegal. In light of that, the five gun homicides that Bermuda saw in 2012 gave them a gun death per 100,000 people of almost 10 (there are only around 64K people on the island).
So think about that. A tiny island with draconian gun laws and they still have a gun death rate almost twice that of the CONUS.
By the way, Mayor Bloomberg of NYC has an “exemption” for his bodyguards to carry concealed pistols when he visits Bermuda. Because laws are for the little people, after all.
Hell of a disparity in stats between sites. For instance, the USAToday article claims 25,423 US murders for the year covered in 2006-2007 – the UN site lists 17,100-17,300 each year, so logically any one-year snapshot should be consistent with that number.
By the way, the deaths by any rifles – “assault rifles”, hunting rif- oops, almost forgot my PCCorrectospeak, “sniper rifles”, all of ’em – comes to right at 1.2% of total homicides.
@17: Actually, death by rifle is even less than that when looking at the FBI numbers. Plus, the CDC report cited in the USA article takes into account suicides, also. The framework I always use is the FBI stats. Their numbers aren’t politically motivated and all people have to do is look at them and they can see that homicides are down over the last 20 years, even with the expiration of the AWB, which did absolutely nothing, from the beginning.
18- OT, last time I looked, 325 was the FBI number. Has that beencorrected? (The 1.2% was against the 25K mentione in the YSAToday article, although I know they are from different years.)
We of the guns rights community will take a lesson from Brazil, and apply it to the current crop of attempted anti gun laws in America.
But the Libtards will continue to Libtard, and will obfuscate, deny, lie, and fudge the statistics to continue to try and push their Libtard agenda.
@19 for giggles compare that to people that have died from falling from bed (kid you not) is higher .. I remember posting that comparison in another thread LoL ban the big scary beds!!!
Brazil– where leftist politicians have all the power and money and the “little people” can’t have a gun– what Democrats want us to be like,