Apparently Partial Birth Abortion IS Murder
Dr Kermit Gosnell, is really the poster child for what those wacky Republicans are always talking about when they scream about partial birth abortions. He’s also a poster child for why politics interfering with medicine can be a very very bad thing. Apparently over a decade went by between his last health and safety inspection and when his clinic was finally shut down. Even after he killed a patient (pregnant woman), no one bothered to inspect his clinic. You can find all sorts of reasons and bureaucratic hand wringing why this was, but the simplest explanation is that he was considered to be doing good works for poor people so the PA authorities turned a blind eye.
But now that is no longer the case. In a case that might be considered landmark, Gosnell, 72, was convicted of three counts of first degree murder and acquitted of a fourth. He could face the death penalty which would be rather ironic given what he was convicted of. He was also convicted of involuntary murder when he killed a 41 year old woman by administering too much anesthetic. Pennsylvania also has laws prohibiting abortion after 24 weeks, which he was convicted of over 21 counts of abortion of the unborn. If you haven’t seen any of the testimony, or heard some of the things surrounding the trial I really recommend you do. “House of Horrors” is not an unfair assessment of his clinic.
The problem this case presents is that it busts wide open a debate we’ve been having since Roe V. Wade, and may bring abortion back to the forefront of our politics. Our president, when he was a state and US senator (and not just voting present) voted down every single measure that might restrict abortion put before him to include strict prohibitions on partial birth abortions. Anyone that watched the DNC in 2012 would have noticed how often abortion was brought up, so expect a lot of push back from Democrats across the country.
Believe it or not there is precedent for killing the unborn to be treated as murder. In several states there are laws wherein if a person kills a pregnant woman while in commission of a crime the offender is charged with TWO murders. There have been numerous cases and convictions of just such occurrences, even if the offender did not know the woman was pregnant, he is still criminally responsible for the loss of two lives. There have been several cases of malpractice where a botched procedure lead to the death of a baby, and some cases where a botched abortion lead to the death of the mother. Gosnell’s case however is unique. It’s the first documented time that anyone has been convicted of murder in the act of committing an abortion.
One thing Gosnell’s conviction brings to the forefront is one of the central questions of the abortion debate “when are babies alive?” For a lot of Christians, the answer at conception. For a lot of abortion advocates a baby is not alive until it is carried to term and born either vaginally or by caesarian. Apparently a jury in Philadelphia (not exactly a red state) rejected at least in part the assertion that a baby is not “alive” until they’re at the hospital in the maternity ward. There is no doubt that this WILL go to the supreme court, but for the time being at least in one state, killing a baby showing signs of life after an abortion is considered murder.
Category: Politics
I have avoided reading this story, although I have been well aware of it. My heart couldn’t take it. I couldn’t even read beyond this post’s headline.
I’m pro-choice. My reasons for that are varying. It’s not a decision I came to lightly.
This sick bastard (I refuse to call him Doctor) cannot possibly suffer enough to begin to atone for his murders.
This was not abortion. It was induced birth and summary execution.
“when are babies alive?”
What happened to the judicial concept of reasonable doubt? If we don’t know with 100% certainty, we should err on the side of caution. But with abortion its the reverse – the victim has to prove itself as human to avoid execution.
“This was not abortion. It was induced birth and summary execution.”
Nope. Several of the murders were botched abortions that resulted in a living baby that was then killed.
I read about this monster a few weeks ago. He had a whole lot going on. No abortion advocate in their right mind is going to try to side with this freak. He was an MD that ran an abortion clinic like a slaughter house. Cats, Cat shit, scores of aborted babies, blood stains, unsanitary conditions in the clinic. If not for an investigation of a prescription drug ring, this clinic would not even have come to light. He collected from medicare/medicaid ( tax funded) patients, forged records to change how far along the pregnancies were, and was just a poverty pimp with MD behind his name. He owned several houses and rental properties and was caught with a hundreds of thousands of dollars when arrested. The bastard is already 72…. I hope he develops a painful terminal illness. One that robs him of speech, continence and muscle control. I hope he spends his final days in the worst health care facility in the world, with bedsores all over and laying in his opwn feces and urine. Last of all I hope he lives to be 105.
Fen,
These procedures involved administering a drug that starts contractions and is commonly used to induce labor, and then after it was delivered, the baby was killed. Yes, indeed.
I am pro-choice but take a backseat to the ethics and morals in that I am not qualified to render an opinion with respect to abortion and associated issues.
However, this clown is a quack.
He needs to go.
As do his regulation board.(Dept. of Labor and Industry?)
Kermit should have his spinal cord snipped, then he can go to that special place in Hell that’s reserved for him. He’s a modern day Joseph Mengele.
You’re pro-choice, but ignore the ethics and morals of it? That’s messed up and a cop-out, IMO…
@9.
Before you open your mouth you should read the rest of it.
Typical liberal picking and choosing what they wish…
Sad.
I ride alone in the backseat. Always have. Don’t need to drive or attention. No what I mean?
Probably not, though, huh?
Actually, clownette, you should write my remarks down. Especially the part were I am not qualified.
But you cant sell that….
Really?
If you think about it he was only charged with seven counts of murder and convicted of four. He has been operating for forty years in a poor neighborhood dealing mainly with minorities and immigrants. Think about how many he has gotten away with?
Not sure at what point forward of conception it ends, but to me, when there is only a collection of cells dividing, there is room for the discussion of when life begins. I do not have a problem with the “morning after” pill for instance.
But I grieve for a society that can even consider the termination of the life of a baby that would otherwise survive with little or no special treatment. That is murder.
This verdict today has restored a small bit of faith in my fellow countrymen.
Here’s another thought: how many more like him are out there?
Sleep well.
@ Green Thumb
You think I’m a liberal? Seriously? And, yes, I read your entire comment.
You say you are pro-choice. “Take a backseat to the ethics and morals” to me means you will leave the morals and ethics judgement about abortion up to others. You are taking a “do whatever you feel” like position on the life-or-death of an unborn child. Regardless of whether or not you think Gosnell is a quack and needs to go, not making a moral judgement of your own on being pro-choice is a cop-out. Abortion kills a growing child. I don’t get how people don’t view that a murder.
@ Green Thumb
Who – in your opinion – is qualified to make the moral and ethical judgements regarding abortion?
Put “him” in with the general prison population. Let all the other prisoners know he’s a child killer. Have the guards look the other way. Make a pool guessing how long the good Doctor will last until he’s shived.
I marvel at reading the remarks from both sides. But I’m always drawn back to my core values.
I am pro-life. The decisions (choices) that I make in this realm result in a birth of an innocent. Perfect? Not always. Wanted? Not always. Adopt worthy in that event? Absolutely.
The other side makes decisions (choices) that result in the death of that innocent. Perfect? Well, it IS absolute. Wanted? They said it should be safe, legal, and rare. But it seems to be more common that rare. Rare is an unused stamp from the 1800’s.
Pro-choice is a misnomer. We both choose. I choose pro-life. They choose pro-death.
The left always champions a “cradle to grave” mentality insofar as government involvement in your life. The bitch is just getting to the cradle.
While I am pro-life, I have to accept the reality that currently, abortion is legal. It saddens me, but there it is. My only hope is that the mothers of these children somehow reconcile what they’re doing in their own time and that their consciences can accept what they’ve done.
That being said, this is the shop of horrors that the pro-choice types claim will come about if abortion is illegal. Um, aren’t they kind of there already? And notice how Planned Parenthood and NARAL, etc., are strangely very quiet on this issue. Telling, indeed.
If we’re talking Pro-Choice vs Pro-life, to be honest I’m Pro-life. I’ve seen enough death, to know that life is always preferable, which is odd because I also happen to support the death penalty.
What terrifies me is that Gosnell is not isolated. Anyone that says he is is a giant fool. We know that there’s probably more out there that will shock us to our core, and I’m willing to bet Gosnell was the rule rather than the exception.
Doc Baily: my sense is that Gosnell is indeed an exception. Unfortunately, I think there are those of his ilk in every major metro area.
How rare an exception, and how many of his ilk are out there? Don’t know.
Not sure we’ll like the answer if/when we find out, though.
Gosnell isn’t an exception. There are many more out there that are doing this throughout the country. They believe they can hide behind Roe v. Wade if they get found out and since Gosnell’s trail began many have been trying to make sure they hide in the shadows.
Planned Parenthood hasn’t said much but NARAL tweeted that Gosnell was attacked by antichoice.
May Satan do to Gosnell what he did to many an innocent.
Sparky – Planned Parenthood is already using this to say, “See? This why we are so important.” (Sorry, don’t remember where I saw that some time back.)
Why a medical facility of any sort would be exempt from basic sanitation requirements is just one of the smaller issues I have with all this.
OWB–fine. But PP should never, EVER, get one dime of government money. EVER.
Sparky – and yet they get tons of our tax dollars then make a huge profit on this subject alone. Plus Barry Hussein made it clear when he talked to them, they won’t be going away…not on his watch.
Agree, Sparky, absolutely. There are quite a few other things which should also not be getting a dime of government money. My list is quite long, actually, but PP would be right at the top of the list.
wacky republicans??
@14.
I said liberal picking and choosing; it goes both ways.
As for morals and ethics on this particular subject; I am not qualified.
Personally I do nor believe nor care for it, but who am I to decide what is best for someone else, hence Pro-choice.
I do not speak for the rank and file; they have their own voice. that is something many people can never figure out.
I was always taught to respect Ladybugs, and I will.
@15.
Possibly the people who take that route? I do not know, but it is not me.
Abortion is a medical procedure. Is it ever used incorrectly? Yes. Is it ever necessary? Yes. Is it the killing of unborn humans? Yes.
It is illegal to practice medicine without a license, which is why I don’t want legislators to tell my doctor what medical procedures he can perform.
But when a doctor induces and murders viable infants, and kills their mothers in the process? Book ’em, Dano.
The question no one is asking is how did the licensing board (Dept. of L&I?) continually renew his credentials? And if they did not, then why was there no follow up or oversight?
Word has come down: Life, not death, is his sentence.
Preying on the poor has become a favorite tactic of the left, they’ve even managed to convince the poor that a woman’s choice means 42% of women living in poverty will abort a baby. Hispanics have abortions at 2.5 times the rate of whites and blacks are 4.5 times the rate of whites.
Irrespective of the morality conversation on this issue, 800,000 medical procedures that risk a woman’s life being performed each year when simple contraceptive use would negate the need for the medical procedure in the first place is bad social policy.
When you factor in the number of procedures paid for through taxpayer dollars the savings from proper contraceptive use is not insignificant. The law of unintended consequences comes into play here on several levels, total deaths from all causes for black Americans not including abortion was less than 300,000 in 2010. Abortions for blacks in 2010 were a little over 400,000. More blacks are being aborted than are dying from all other causes. Bad social policy.
Of course “honest” discussions are uncomfortable, and our current society never wants anyone to be uncomfortable….so we create these situations where the Gosnells of the nation can flourish and profit from a mostly unnecessary procedure. I understand there are rare occasions where saving the mother requires an abortion, but those are rare. Far more prevalent is a serious medical procedure used as birth control, again this is poor social policy and affects minorities at higher rates than whites as a consequence.
But keep on thinking the liberals are your friends poor folks, they’ve managed to fool you so far into believing that while they keep your population tightly controlled through managed population growth via abortion and a propaganda campaign that it’s really your “choice”….when you have a 50/50 split for making it out of your mother’s body alive you might want to rethink who is really on your side…just a thought to end the day…
Gosnell performed invaluable service for Planned Parenthood. He operated on the periphery of the definition of abortion/infanticide. In doing so, he furthered the personal philosophical goals of Planned Parenthood personnel while giving them complete deniability.
Planned Parenthood got US Taxpayer dollars for counseling mothers to go Gosnell, and Gosnell got cash from the mothers but mostly Medicaid dollars from the US Taxpayers for performing ‘failed births,’ not abortions which is illegal for Medicaid to pay for.
A win-win for Planned Parenthood and Gosnell, and now with Gosnell cut out, another doctor will step into his place. Regardless of how you feel about infanticide/abortion, this was a shell-game, a con that made its players rich.
this case had nothing to do with partial birth abortions, this was total birth and summery executions.
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