Donald Trump versus Volodymr Zelenskyy: Debate in White House

| March 2, 2025

On February 28, 2025, Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelenskyy and U.S. President Donald Trump were set to discuss a minerals deal that would be a part of securing peace in Ukraine. Trump’s plans for ending the war included allowing US organizations to work with Ukrainian organizations in an economic partnership. The establishment of US economic interests in Ukraine would lead to a security guarantee due to US economic interests in that country. During the meeting, the discussions turned into a debate.

From NBC News:

The Oval Office shouting match has for now shattered hopes for the minerals deal, which Trump and his allies had presented as an important step forward for Ukraine on the road to peace with Russia more than three years after the war began.

“He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office,” Trump said in a post on his Truth Social website after the meeting ended. “He can come back when he is ready for Peace.”

Trump dug in further hours later, telling reporters that Zelenskyy “overplayed his hand” and accusing the Ukrainian president of “looking to go on and fight, fight, fight.”

“We’re not looking for somebody that’s going to sign up a strong power and then not make peace because they feel emboldened,” Trump said. “We’re not looking to go into a 10-year war and play games. We want peace.”

After departing the White House, Zelenskyy posted on X, “Thank you America, thank you for your support, thank you for this visit. Thank you @POTUS, Congress, and the American people. Ukraine needs just and lasting peace, and we are working exactly for that.”

During a Fox News interview Friday evening, Zelenskyy reiterated his appreciation of U.S. support but rebuffed calls to apologize for his comments at the White House.

“I think that we have to be very open and very honest. And I’m not sure that we did something bad,” Zelenskyy said.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio is among the Trump allies who have called on Zelenskyy to issue an apology, telling CNN in an interview Friday night that Zelensky should “apologize for turning this thing into the fiasco for him that it became.”

“There was no need for him to go in there and become antagonistic,” Rubio said. “We were hoping that that meeting would begin by: ‘Thank you for everything you’ve done for us. We wouldn’t be where we are today without you. We wouldn’t even have a chance to negotiate a piece without the help you gave us.'”

Despite Trump’s assertion that Zelenskyy “doesn’t have the cards” to negotiate, the Ukrainian leader remained adamant Friday night that security guarantees be included in any agreement to end the war, as well as the rare earth minerals deal drafted by the Trump administration.

The security guarantees, he added in the Fox News interview, are critical given what he described as a long history of Russian President Vladimir Putin disregarding ceasefire agreements.

Additional Reading:

Shabad, R., & Egwuonwu, N. (2025, February 28). Zelenskyy’s meeting with Trump and Vance unravels into an extraordinary clash. NBC News. Link.

 

Category: Donald Trump, International Affairs, Russia, Ukraine

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Anonymous

Democrats…

5JC

If that isn’t truth in a tea cup I’ve never had tea. This combat vet is 100% on board the train and pulling the whistle.

Old tanker

That is about as succinct and correct as anyone could ask for. Spot on analysis.

rgr769

Ditto. I love it when these armchair warhawks are challenged to pick up a rifle and join the carnage of real war, where a person can ultimately end up in a hospital or a body bag. Maybe if they had to pick up body parts of a fellow soldier and put them in his body bag like I did, they would have a different opinion.

Hack Stone

One of Hack’s many Left leaning Facebook friends posted a meme from some European wienie as to (Hack had to slip that one in) the Europeans contributing so much more than America. Great, go bang on your neighbors door asking for a cup of sugar instead of hopping into your car, driving over the river, and asking some random guy (country) to do you a solid. In case Zelenskyy missed the news, the days of Joe Biden sending billions to him with no accountability of where it is going ended on January 20, 2025.

5JC

Hunter promised to kick in but after his dealer came looking for him he has been scarce. I heard he left town.

5JC

According to Statistica, that is a big old nope. Even when you include non-EU countries in the mix they don’t come close to total US Aid.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/

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Anonymous

Yup, Democrats and RINOs talked him into it… they f*ck everything the touch up:
https://nypost.com/2025/03/01/opinion/dems-lead-zelensky-ukraine-off-a-cliff-with-pressure-to-reject-mineral-deal/

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Anonymous

P.S. Klobuchar even tweeted about this before they sent him over to the white house:
https://x.com/SenAmyKlobuchar/status/1895518556693151994

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rgr769

What bullshit; there is no “democracy” in Ukraine; Zelenskyy declared martial law and he is ruling by decree. He has silenced anyone who disagrees with him or his regime. He is just as much a dictator as Putin.

Fyrfighter

Hey seagull! Comes explain this part of your Russia, Russia, Russia fantasy…

You, like all demonrats hate this nation, and are a direct threat to it.

Anonymous

Yes, c’mon, Lars… how come Democrats and their proggie Globalist cronies (you know, your side) want to start another World War in Europe? Didn’t they have enough with the last two?

Fyrfighter

Nope, because their first string ( nazis ) didn’t win, and their second string ( commies) got put in check, to some extant by western powers.. of course both of those are really just fronts for the “elites ” who thought back then, and still do, that they are our betters, and want to see us all on our knees ( no, not in the same way as Kamala… well, ok, maybe that too..)

Anonymous

We know which bunch Soros preferred:

Fyrfighter

Yep, and he damn sure raised his son to be a nazi too.

Anonymous

Like Klaus Schwab’s Dad…
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rgr769

Son like father.

Anonymous

Yup, Kurt Schlicter knows, too… Americans told a foreign gov’t to defy America, they don’t give a sh*t about our country or its interests:
https://x.com/KurtSchlichter/status/1896295228530970886

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5JC

I want him to explain why are fascist wanna be dictator keeps trying to broker peace deals? I was promised command and conquer and it is starting to look like a hippie love fest out there. Where did it all go wrong?

Anonymous

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Odie

Anything to embarrass Donald. They can’t control him, but they try to do their best to make him look stupid.

Lots of people not buying their shtick any longer, and see right through their BS.

HT3

He forgot who he is dealing with…
The saying “He came in for check but a reality check instead” has been floating around ever since. 3 years is long enough.

I was sympathetic to the Ukrainian cause early on, my wife’s family has Ukrainian heritage and we were married in a Ukrainian Orthodox Church, but the war is continuing for continuing’s sake. How many more people need to die needlessly? When is Ben Stiller going send his 19 year old son to the front lines?

The US is just an enabler funding and addict’s bad behavior. Europe claims they’ll fund the continuing war, but they ain’t got those deep pockets. The cries from the EU is a knee-jerk reaction to Trump. If he’d cut Zelensky a blank check, they would be screaming for peace.

Putin is looking for an off-ramp, but the EU isn’t finished spilling Ukrainian blood in a no-win situation. Trump is only leader with the leverage to hammer out a deal. The sooner the EU/Canada realize that the more lives will be saved.

Anonymous

And, now, Hunter… as posted here earlier:
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KoB

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Anonymous

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Commissar

He was dealing a clown and Putin stooge.

Fucking embarrassment.

Fyrfighter

You REALLY need to stop huffing glue..

Fyrfighter

Not to mention, the dims.and rinos that he met prior to going to the WH stirred him up to renege on a deal he’d already said he’d sign ( and that his govt approved). They mineral deal heavily favors Ukraine, and by virtue of American companies operating there, gives Ukraine a.measure of security against further attacks.. you’d understand this if you weren’t blinded by your TDS..

SFC D

Zelensky forgot one of life’s most important lessons:

Don’t shit where you eat.

Anonymous

Dude, WTF?

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A Proud Infidel®™

IMHO Zelensky is acting like a spoiled child who got told “NO!” when asking for a second helping of cookies and ice cream, he found out the hard way that the gravy train has stopped. And IF he loves his country like he claims, then why has he halted elections?

Fyrfighter

Sounds like his parliament may not give him that chance, as they may inpeach him before that can happen..

STSC(SW/SS)

Any politician wether they are in the US or the EU and want to guarentee the security of the Ukraine should send their sons and daughters first. After that, they can go.

jeff LPH 3 63-66

The lame stream media had a nice time giving their B.S. Joseph Goebbels speaches aboyt the meeting. Yesterdays new york shitty daily news, I mean rag had the front page headline reading that President Trump lost his cool which he didn’t. Sis reads the daily rag every morning but isn’t involved in politics. She can’t seem to realize that she is now in Florida and not in new york shity anymore since 2011.

SgtM

The little dicktater could at least get a suit with the billions he has skimmed. USAID did send a bunch of them to Paris Fashion Week, he could have found one there.

26Limabeans

The startrek shirt was nice.

Hack Stone

Issue him a Red Shirt, then beam him down. These problems have a habit of resolving themselves.

Anonymous

He could, at least, have worn the Multicam/OCP blouse (to go with the pants) over it.
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26Limabeans

Gaddaffi was formal in his desert tan and Castro
was all business in fatigues……

RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

And the Kims. With their goofy, cheap suits

Anonymous

At least Kim Jong Il preferred to dress like Blofeld:
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5JC

Jeez that cat effed him up good.

e.

He dresses like a child.

rgr769

If he wants to pretend he is the supreme leader, why doesn’t he wear a real military uniform instead of that athletic suit. That outfit showed he has complete contempt for us and our duly elected Trump administration.

KoB

The cookie jar is closed, ZMan…go cry in your spilled milk. Diaper Dood and your cokehead buddy are gone, too. Sucks to be you right now, don’t it. I’d avoid tall building if I were you. You may even want to rethink going back to the ‘Kraine for awhile. Is your wife’s new car and designer clothes still there? Use your offshore bank account $s to buy her some more.

Anonymous

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KoB

Yep…The following meme neither confirms nor denies the existence of an “E-4 Mafia”…

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SFC D

It does restore my faith that such an organization *could* exist.

KoB

I admit nothing…call my lawer @ Madison 5-1190.

SgtM

He was subtle, he did not tuck in the thumb. If the thumb enters the knife hand, all bets are off.

KoB

Mr. VP E-4 Maf…err…Vance, didn’t want the sissy punk ZMan to have involuntary bodily evacuations on the White House Furniture. No need to make the clean up staff work harder. I personally applaud VP Vance on his restraint, tho a real good bitch slap was in order. Jus’ sayin’…

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Mark

When a Marine does the knife hand, shit gets real very quickly. Perhaps Little Z should know that next time.

Deckie

The phony busted by a real Marine at the airport ten years or so back got the knife hand — I believe he got posted here.

IMG_2539
A Proud Infidel®™

I read about him some years ago, love the “OH GOD, I’m fucked!” expression on his face in that pic!

timactual

Someone needs to translate the ancient western proverb “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you” into Ukrainian.

Zelensky also needs to put his clown suit and alleged comedy act back in the closet and put on some big boy clothes. Another ancient saying, “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”.

Another year or so of his act and there might be a change in leadership, with or without an election.

Odie

I’d be willing to bet it will take less than a year. Probably a few weeks.

Odie

Let all of the zelensky fan club support his war effort. The guy front left looking for incoming rounds apparently.

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Steve1371

Thought he saw a drone.

RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

A drone detonating above those cocksmokers would really complete that photo.
It would be…..beautiful 🥲

Tallywhagger

Security guarantees? Does he have any idea just how entrenched the US is throughout “europe”? There has to be at least 100 military installation within Germany, alone.

If America works a deal for mineral extraction, somehow I think there will be a substantial investment. No less, the strategic location for American interests is probably not lost on Putin even if it is on “resistance” guy in the black sweater.

What “europe” needs (a pogrom) is more essential than what Zelensky wants.

I liked the part where Trump expressed an interest in a minerals deal with Putin. Playing one snake against another. The art of the deal.

5JC

The minerals deal was the security assurance. The idea that Russia wouldn’t risk war with the US by attacking with a huge US presence.

timactual

Is that the “soft power” I have heard so much about?

rgr769

That clip is an excellent summary of what really started the war with Russia and Ukraine. We poked the bear one time too many.

HT3

If anybody you know starts saying “we” should keep fighting in Ukraine, you can give them this this video of Ukrainian Recruiters in action. Its time to end the needless slaughter.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/COSAR-EJzbU

Or how they can go themselves

Ukrainian-Army
Anonymous

Lars, job opportunity… put your money where your mouth is?

Peter the Bubblehead

I have been sending this link to several people I know on FB who posted their little “I support Ukraine” flags after the meeting abruptly ended on Friday.

timactual

I am sure donations by cash, check, or money order will also be cheerfully accepted by the Ukrainian gov’t.

ETC(SS)

I, for one, am totally fine with fighting the Russians using Ukrainian combat forces. I hunted Russian Sailors for a living. Russia has never been our friend and seemingly never will be. We struck a deal long ago because Nazi’s sucked even more than Communists. It is a sad day when we throw down with Russia. So much for prevailing in the Cold War.

Fyrfighter

Throw down with Russia? Serious question ETC, if you’re not in favor of the current deals proposed, or negotiating with Russia and Ukraine to end the war now, what would your end point be? Pushing Russia back to pre-obama borders will NOT happen without American troop involvement. Is that something you’d be ok with? Barring sending troops (and really kicking off WWIII) do we continue to fund a losing war, and the expense of our taxpayers, and projects here that could benefit OUR citizens? How deep in debt do we go before we stop? Do we demand accountability for all the money were sending? Or do we just allow the corruption to continue? As has been mentioned elsewhere, and as they showed during WWII when they forced troops to attack without weapons, Russia does not give one tiny rats ass about sacrificing it’s troops, and they have FAR more available to them than Ukraine does, so in a war of attrition (which this has become), there is no question who will win. And the longer the war continues, the closer the ties between Russia and China, Iran, North Korea, etc. become, and this is NOT to our advantage. “ We struck a deal long ago because Nazi’s sucked even more than Communists.” Not sure that’s actually true. The communists already had killed at least as many as the Nazi’s had, and continued on to kill far more. The rise of Russia as a world power after the war has had negative effects across the globe, and resulted in hundreds of millions dead. I’d suggest that FDR either had a soft spot for commies (given how many were in his admin), he bowed to pressure from Churchill to do whatever it took to fight the nazis, or he was just naive enough to think we could be friends with the Russians. The reality is, Hitler had already attacked Stalin, and the Russians would have continued to fight no matter what resources they had. We would have done far better to allow the Germans to continue to grind down the Russians while we… Read more »

Fyrfighter

Wow, I didn’t have enough coffee yet, I apologize for the one long run-on paragraph.

ETC(SS)

That IS a long sentence worthy of 1890’s writing style!

Honestly I am in favor of shipping expiring munitions to the Ukes for use on the Orcs. The Biden administration screwed this up by being incremental. Go big or go home. Obama said meh to the occupation of Crimea which was a huge mistake.

Russia has a demographics problem. Simply put they don’t reproduce and they have a diminishing supply of men. Letting these two bleed is a cold but strategic choice. Remember Putin was paying bounties on dead Americans in Iraq, etc. Whatever pain happens to Russia they have coming. They had a good deal going but Putin has a bad case of revanchism.

The Russians agreed on a set of borders when they lost the Cold War. Masterful work on the part of the Bush administration. Long term the restablishment of those borders is a worthy goal.

The lesson here is Ukraine should have retained its nuclear weapons but we bought them off with a worthless security guarantee. So, the long term outcome is extension of French nuclear weapons to cover Germany (it is a strange world) and a few new members of the nuclear club. Poland comes to mind and we might expect the Swedes to re-open their nuclear weapons program.

So much for a well ordered world. Arm the Ukes and let them chew up the Russians and the NK’s.

As the Nazi’s versus Communists we adopted a Europe first approach and brilliantly fought the Nazi’s down to the last [insert most of Europe]. Always let others do the fighting…

Take away: Russia is our adversary and probably always will be. If bleeding them white can be done using money then that is a righteous course of action. If we leave Ukraine to twist in the wind then maybe Europe steps up. I am not sure a united EU is in our interests either. Like I said, I thought we won the Cold War.

timactual

Perhaps you should consider that when we “bleed them white” those nasty Russians may consider returning the favor. I am sure they still have some former USSR apparatchiks who would love to return to the good old days when they supplied weapons, training, etc. to our enemies which killed a few Americans. What goes around comes around.

timactual

I hope you realize that some of those “Russian” sailors you hunted were Ukrainian. You do remember that Ukraine was an integral part of Russia until 1991?

ETC(SS)

Note my comment of letting those two bleed each other white. Most Soviet warships were built in Ukraine. I lived that history and know it well. Aside from Stalin being Georgian a great deal of the USSR leadership was Russian.

When did we begin to fear Russia? Ronald Reagan must be rolling over in his grave.

timactual

And some of that leadership was Ukrainian; Leon Trotsky and Leonid Brezhnev to name just two.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Here’s my take FWIW (probably not much but here goes)….

Forget the theatrics, Trump can’t help himself when it comes to TV time…the real meat of this deal is the mineral rights issue and here’s why.

Ukraine can’t join NATO, NATO agreed not to expand into Russia’s borders and broke that agreement many times, so Putin won’t deal with a peace agreement that puts Ukraine into NATO.

But if Ukraine allows American companies to operate within its borders with mining operations any attack in the future by Russia has to consider killing Americans by accident or on purpose which changes the nature of any future conflict for the Russians….

Ukraine doesn’t get to join NATO but their security blanket is the presence of American civilians working mining operations and resource development throughout the border areas of the Ukraine/Russia border.

It’s not the most elegant solution perhaps but it does work I believe in settling the war into a perhaps precarious but stable peace for the near term.

It also drives a wedge between China and Russia because if the Russians believe they can work with the US instead of China they benefit more from that relationship than being China’s sidekick.

Fyrfighter

I think you’re spot on VoV. the world has been handed a shit sandwich by obama and biden, and what you lay out is probably the best way to eat it.

ETC(SS)

The presumption here is that Putin will not break said agreement. Also, it smacks of the strong carving up the weak, and I thought we left that 18th century stuff behind us. Besides, Russia has squat for leverage so any deal like this helps them greatly.

I think we will see Europe step up since territorially they have skin in the game. A united EU is a fearsome beast statistically. Bigger than the US in population, nuclear armed, excellent weapons manufacturing, etc. Maybe the Russian threat will accomplish what Napoleon and Hitler could not…one Europa.

I guess our days of buying off the world are over with for the next 3 plus years. We should expect some sporty outcomes going forward.

timactual

“I thought we left that 18th century stuff behind us”

Why? The 19th and 20th centuries weren’t any better, and the 21st probably won’t be either.

Peter the Bubblehead

The trouble is this was EXACTLY the plan that had been agreed to, and the little Z walked into the Oval Office, said nothing is agreed, stuck out his greedy hand, and expected trump to show him his belly like Biden did for the last three years and hand him billions more in untraceable cash. The problem isn’t Trump and the current Administration not wanting to do exactly what you outline VoV, it’s little Z thinking he had more leverage than he did and throwing a settled agreement into the Oval Office trash.
If the Ukranians want peace, they need to dump little Z.

timactual

“in 20 years or less, they’d be in a much stronger position than Russia.”

Except that Ukraine has the same problems, is also taking substantial casualties, and has only about a third of the population to start with.

timactual

Where do you get those casualty figures?

timactual

According to your link, estimates of casualties (and all we have are estimates) vary widely. They are certainly not accurate enough to support the certainty with which you state your conclusions.

“Operator Starsky, who runs a YouTube channel under that name”

Really? A YouTube channel? By someone who claims to have had a rather meteoric rise from private to 1st Sergeant to “Press Officer” (without, evidently, an office or rank insignia)? For someone who writes for a site interested in Stolen Valor you seem to be a bit gullible.

timactual

“in the link that you read, they provided a link to a Pentagon document and used the latter’s estimates.”

Like I said—estimates.

Also from your link—
“The officials cautioned that casualty figures remained difficult to estimate because ”

You seem to have difficulty with the concept of “estimate”. That is basically an educated guess.

timactual

“Going from E2 to E5 is not exactly “meteoric rise”

Start at 3:00—

timactual

“To your credit, you’re not claiming that you’re trying to “make good with God”,”

What’s that all about?

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Agreed it was not written in the NATO documentation but all part of the negotiation process…

“U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University”

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

rgr769

The traitorous POS needs to wear the hemp necktie.

Odie

And be given carpentry lessons to build a sturdy place to hang the hemp

Odie

Necktie.

I fat fingered my reply.

Commissar

He is compromised.

He is literally demanding Zelensky submit to all of Russia’s demands.

Fyrfighter

Are you really stupid enough to believe that?

Here’s an idea, offer up your plan to resolve the situation. Let’s compare the merits of the two…

All the while, realizing that if your boy biden hadn’t told Putin that a ” minor incursion” would be ok ( who’s compromised again?) We qouldnt be in this position… or if you prefer, we can go back to the lightbinger telling Putin that he’d have ” more flexibility” after the election, and allowing him to move into Crimea…

The facts are NOT on your side.. but please, do keep going with the ” orange man bad” screeching..

rgr769

You are wasting electrons trying to reason with the TDS deranged moonbat.

HT3

All the the fucking pinko commies like you were all sure Trump was going to start WWIII, but he’s the ONLY LEADER trying to talk the world of the edge.
You got combat experience? Why don’t you pick up an weapon and stand a post? Instead, you just regurgitate THE WARMONGERS mantra. How ’bout it? Huh, put your money where dick sucker is. I got all the info right here, but you won’t go. Not you, not Ben Stiller cuz you’re all wind & smoke.

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SFC D

Interesting. I did not hear that at all. And I listened to the entire exchange, not just the news-worthy clips that started 40 minutes in. Zelensky tried to strongarm his way into more than was agreed upon, and got his pee-pee publicly spanked. Not unlike what happens to you when you whip out your tiny, fraudulent empirical evidence.

You may go now.

timactual

Absolute BS. Perhaps understandable if English is your second or third language, otherwise just plain stupid. I have low expectations of you, but evidently I still set the bar too high.

Anonymous

Oh, poor baby…

th-20
A Proud Infidel®™

Here you go again, proving that liberal Kool-Aid causes severe brain damage. Take a deep breath and have a TRUMP Day! 😀😀😀

Quartermaster

Theer was no debate. Trump adn his vile side kick simply showed the world they are asshats. Trying to push Ukraine into negotiating with a man that has vowed to destroy their country is no different than forcing Israel to negotiate with Hamas. It is particularly vile when that same slug in the Kremlin has violated every agreement with Ukraine that has been negotiated.

There were 30 ceasefires arranged in the Donbas between 2014-2022, and Putin violated every one of them. Sometimes within seconds.

A Proud Infidel®™

Hey there, maybe you need to lay off the MD20/20 before posting, just some friendly advice. In the meantime, take a deep breath and have yourself a TRUMP Day! 😀😀😀