Kamala Harris and Tim Walz rallies, AI generated audiences filling gaps
If you do a Google search for the crowd sizes at Donald Trump’s rallies as well as those for Kamala Harris, you’d get the impression that Harris is bringing in the crowds. You’d also think that Trump is complaining about this “fact”. Harris barely pulled an audience during the run up to the 2020 election. However, if you zoom in and look carefully at current rally photos, you’ll find discrepancies.
Take this image of the crowd by Kamala Harris’s airplane:
If you look at what is being reflected on the aircraft’s surface, you won’t see crowds. When you zero in on the crowd, you find typical AI glitches. For instance, the size and distance proportions do not fit reality such as the “large” people wearing red in the front. There are also white outlines around many of the people. One of the arms in the photo also appears “transparent”.
The next photo shows the reflection on the aircraft, specifically the engine, does not show any crowds. Kamala Harris, and Tim Walz, appear to be larger than the crowd despite being further.
This next image shows people with “alien hands”:
One of the attendees appears to be holding up a sign with two hands, but with one arm. If you look at the shadow placements in front of the banner, the item right behind the men is getting sunlight, but only a part of it is casting a shadow behind the man. Parts of their heads are covered in shadow, but their entire heads cast shadows in the banner behind them.
There’s also a guy holding a strange looking cell phone. His right arm is bigger than his left arm, and his head appears to be off centered and out of proportion.
These are just samples, of which there are many. Photos from another rally had an audience member with his head upside down, a woman with her hands blending into her face, a guy with an unusually long neck, people looking like they’re sharing the same seats, and other hilarious AI “glitches.”
Here is another one showing the sun shining from two angles. The scene, with the flags, can’t possibly be in the same location:
The photos come from M Live. The article is written as if these photos were genuine. You could spot these discrepancies if you find images from Harris-Walz rallies and expand them.
I’m interested in seeing what you guys find.
Category: 2024 Election, Kamala Harris
So you’re saying that No-Balls Walz didn’t mean it when he was ranting about misinformation?? Or is that only when it applies to him and the left.. That SOB does nothing but shit on his oath, and should lose his benefits because of it, IMHO… (yeah, I know that won’t happen, but a guy can wish can’t he?)
Lead photo, one of the first things that jumps out, is the “large” number of people being allowed to get so close to a high value aircraft. I see no stairs at the plane, so either they haven’t deplaned yet, at which point nobody would be allowed that close, or they have already left and these people are really dumb to be cheering an empty plane.
They really think we are just that stoopid. Unfortunately, there are some that will claim it to be gospel.
Be fun to have the two engines spool up and eat a few people.
Then I’ll believe it.
Pratt and Whitney/Rolls Royce engines need feed too.
That will be easy to ex plane since it’s plane to see that the engines were plane ly hungry for some plane looking AI peeps. in the pic.
Crowd looks like the last flight out of Kabul.
Make it more realistic by having people fall off on takeoff. Pity the ground crew who found some or all of anybody who managed to not fall off/out.
Years ago, the last time BJ Clinton came to Portland, I was finishing up an active duty day at the AFRES and decided to see what the fuss was about. AF One was sitting at the ORANG ramp, and there was a receiving line about 30-50 yards or so from the plane. The crowd wasn’t clustered around the aircraft like in the photo above.
No real surprise that they’re using artificial intelligence. Neither one of them has an REAL intelligence, so artificial is their only option…
That some real Bernath Photoshop skillz, yes indeedy.
Well, somebody’s photo shop skillz are better than mine.
Maybe the airdales will confirm: when, if ever, do you let throngs of people on the ramp? The location is UPS DTW Gateway, and I don’t think Big Brown would want to do a FOD walkdown of an entire tarmac. Plus, I’ve seen other looks at the crowd where they zoom in on the cell phones “people” are holding and there is a multitude of images that are NOT of the rally on those phones. I see plenty of civilians posting videos from a Trump rally, but NOTHING from a Harris rally. Why is that?
Air shows come to mind. But the ramp is of course monitored by safety observers and aircrew, and the birds on display are either shut down or on external power.
This is total BS and violates flight line rules that I remember from way back. Security of course but as you point out FOD, those GE engines would have loved to suck up some of those weirdos shown.
So waaaay back right after the first Gulf War, President George H.W. Bush came out to Maxwell airplane patch where SpaceChairForceOne was young and eager buck sergeant member of the base honor guard after just cross training to Comm from being a F-16 crew dog.
We got requested to do a full blues cordon for him as he gave one of his big “New World Order” speeches and threw lots of congrats to the ChairForce for helping to lay the smack down on Saddam and friends.
Holy cow, the Secret Service gave us and our de-milled ceremonial rifles the full search before we even got to the staging area, then searched everyone again in the staging area just to make sure they properly violated our private spaces again.
Not a single person got even close to Air Force One that didn’t have proper passes; all the SecForce guys were out backing up the Secret Service so even a wandering squirrel would have gotten jacked up trying to get this close.
So I find these pictures just as suspect as Tim Waltz’s “combat” experience claims and Kama Harris not being the “border Zar”.
Cum-ella would probably like to suck some of those in attendance too…and could suck harder than those GE engines.
I couldn’t care less whether or not the pics are fake, because I know that this slore and her “running mate” are both fake. And that the upcoming (s)election will be fake also. Still think we’re going to “vote” our way out of it?
Prepare
Wondering if those in the crowds had their government issued photo identification?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-panned-requiring-id-enter-arizona-rally-after-previously-painting-voter-id-laws-racist
Oh, please:
https://x.com/NnamEgwuon/status/1821320442331984329
Check out the reflections in the plane there, too. It’s real. A lot of people are excited about Harris, and/or excited about someone able to mount a real challenge to Trump. Living in denial ain’t doing Trump or the Republicans who believe this nonsense any good.
Also:
https://youtu.be/AvVbLW6Xfbc?t=1601
I clicked on the first link, paused the video, and then expanded it. The same AI nonsense could be seen in this video, I even saw a freakish shadow arm and hand with what looked like multiple digits. Just as you can generate AI images, you could also do the same thing with video. If there was a nun teacher who scrutinized images as she did spelling, whoever created the images in that video would get his knuckles whacked.
When I also expanded the paused video, the reflection on the aircraft did not show a crowd of people. Also, the size distance propotions don’t jive. For example, there are people in the “crowd” who are “smaller” than Kamala Harris and Tim Walz, despite the latter two being further away.
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So… PBS, which was there, filming, has opted to use AI-generated fake video rather than their real footage? And coordinated it with multiple people taking cell-phone video of the same event? Occam would smack you upside the head for pushing this inane theory.
I bet you think this photo is of two massive pigeons that they government is somehow hiding from the public:
I’m telling you what I’m seeing. And no, Occam would not smack me right upside the head for saying what I said above. Read up on Occam’s Razor before misusing it here. If you understood what it was, then you’d know that what I did above, and in response to you, fell under Occam’s Razor.
Again, I expanded the video, just as I expanded other images of the so called “large” Harris rallies. I’ve utilized AI to generate a lot of images, including what I’ve used in my posts, as well as memes that I wanted to make from scratch. I’m seeing the same things in your link and in other images from Harris that I’m seeing in these images that I have AI generate.
Your use of the pigeons above is inductive fallacy, false equivalence, and is not relevant to this argument.
Since you refuse to do the research that you need to do if further research would prove your claim wrong, I did that for you. I took a screen capture of the X video that you lead to, expanded it, and found a crap ton of AI glitches:
Also, I posted the same hanger from which the rally was conducted in the original post above. It’s obvious that the actual size shown above could not accommodate the crowd shown in the X video that you linked to.
I stand by my argument, as I go by the facts. In almost 21 years of arguing against the left, not a single one of you have brought relevant fact, reason, or logic to bear in the argument.
And yet, people who are experts at detecting fake images say you’re wrong:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hany-farid-40a97935_i-am-fielding-questions-about-this-image-activity-7227793775702503424-0_Qy/
There may be no hope for you, but I have faith that quite a few others on TAH aren’t so far gone that they can’t accept that Harris might actually draw some crowds, even if they dislike her.
Experts, huh? Like the Intel experts that said Hunter’s laptop was fake? Ivermectin hoax? Bleach hoax? Collusion hoax? USSS is competent? Couch hoax? Trust the FBI after 17 FISA violations? How many more hoaxes until you are skeptical? How can anyone trust any legacy/establishment “experts” after the last 8 years?
The opposite of ‘sometimes experts get things wrong’ is not, “experts are always wrong”, else suddenly NASA faked the moon landings, the earth really is flat, and lizard people have infiltrated the government.
Of course, one only need to look at the video from multiple different streams, and the countless photos, and the first-hand testimony of people that were there, and you’d come to see reality.
Key word… some.
I question anything and everything out of any political campaign. Kamala gets extra questions. She never answers them, but she gets them. Just ask the press.
As you should – in this case, you’ve got multiple videos of the same event from different angles, multiple news agencies present, countless photos, various first-hand accounts, and of course, the sensible notion that any presidential candidate, even ones you don’t like, are going to draw a crowd, doubly so in friendly territory.
So which is it? Nobody was at a rally, and multiple agencies, everyone that spoke at said rally, and all the people who said they were there and have video are part of a grand conspiracy (or fake themselves, despite all evidence to the contrary)? Or, maybe, that Trump was wrong?
That Harris hasn’t answered questions of the press, or whether she’s a mediocre candidate or a terrible one, are completely immaterial to having a grip on reality.
The proximity of the crowd to the aircraft is a major stumbling block for me. I don’t profess to be an expert on photoshop, AI, or even the illusions produced by the camera angle. That crowd is just wayyyy too close, and that ain’t gonna happen under normal circumstances.
It was a rally, at a hangar. That’s not ‘normal circumstances’. Go check out some video of the event – I’m pretty sure you’ll come away realizing it was real.
I’m talking about too close from a security and safety perspective. But, given the current state of the Secret Service, security is optional.
Dems 2024: Democracy is on the ballot!
The Truth: Joe Biden was democratically elected to run in 2024
Dems: Whatever…Orange Hitler bad!
I never understand this question — what would have happened had Trump been shot? Would the Republicans have decided, “Well, guess we can’t run anyone else, since he won our primaries!”, or would they adapt?
That is an interesting question and I have had that same thought myself. Not sure what the “official/legal” way to handle it, but I’m sure that the decision would be made in a smokey, back room somewhere. D or R behind their name I have very little faith or trust in any of them. “You are all equally worthless.”
The only accurate analogy would be for Trump to be shot by his own party so they could name someone who hadn’t been voted for.
Your so called “expert” is a liar! I just did a check on that image, and it popped positive for being AI generated:
Not surprising considering that he is a UC Berkeley professor. Your so called “expert” failed to prove me wrong, or argue why the image was “not AI”. For example, the image that he linked to still shows the discrepancies, like folks who are closer to the airplane being bigger than folks further than the airplane (folks wearing red). They also failed to explain away the fact that the man’s arm, that I pointed out above, is transparent.
Look at the bottom part of the airplane. It DOES NOT reflect that there is a crowd in front of it.
“No hope” for me? Sorry, I will stick to the facts, and I’m not fooled by leftist propaganda like you. Common sense would tell you that sections of that image was AI generated. There are a lot more discrepancies in that photo than the ones that I pointed out above.
What you’re actually doing is hoping that others here would be gullible enough to fall hook, line, and sinker for the propaganda that Harris, who could not hold onto her own back in 2020, who continued to not be seen as “president material” since that time, all of a sudden is pulling large crowds.
The issue here is not on whether she could pull crowds or not, but on the actual sizes of the crowds. The claim that she is pulling large crowds, that there is massive enthusiasm for her, are false, and nothing but Wag the Dog nonsense.
Not taking sides, but from the extreme rear angle you can’t tell whether people are 10 feet, 10 yards, or 30 yards from the plane. And reflections from the bottom half of a cylinder will show what is below the cylinder, not straight back from it.
The folks wearing red are “bigger” than many of the folks behind them. Even if they were above average in height and size, they wouldn’t show up in that proportion relative to those behind them. This is occasional repeated within the crowd as well, height, width, to distance proportions are out of whack.
Also, zoom in to the area where I identified as a person’s arm being “transparent”. That’s AI action.
I zoomed in on the entire plane. It doesn’t just show the reflection on the bottom of the plane, but to the tarmac and buildings from which this image was supposedly taken. There’s clearly a mainly empty tarmac where the people are supposed to be.
While I very much appreciate reading all the articles and comments on this forum, I have never posted here before. Here goes my first try… I have been using the great (g)od of all Internet knowledge, Google, to see if there are any other articles confirming thebesig’s conclusions. My results astoundingly seem to agree with what MarineDad61 found. It’s also what average voters would believe. So I took the effort to use the same Isitai image tool to see what the results are and it came back as 85% likely to not be AI generated. Me thinks there is collusion going… Or my eyes are lying. The images and videos from the event all show no reflection of the large crowd on the airplane, but the real scene without the crowd.
A big thank you for your service to all the vets on here.
Welcome aboard.
Bangswitch (and LC),
Welcome.
Also… Thank you.
Credit goes to LC, for being the 1st here to seriously question this article.
Reread what he said. He’s arguing that there appears to be collusion, given that Google is providing articles and images that support what you are arguing… Read… Search engines in on the collusion.. Thus requiring him to do some “forensics” on his own to see inconsistencies between what is being reported, and what is actually going on. See my response to you below.
Both you and LC will question anything FACT that harms your side of the argument.
I saw that to, with the search engines leading to what MarineDad61, LC, and others have argued. In fact, MD61 provided a Fox News link which shows the aircraft reflection… Kamala Harris deplanes, goes on the tarmac, and then walks alone without interacting with the crowd that is allegedly near the aircraft.
They used AI to fill the gaps, so there’s going to be a combination of actual footage, and AI imaginary, to make the crowd look larger. I ran the same image through again, and got the “We’re quite confident this was generated by AI” response. However, other AI image checkers provided percentages, indicating that gaps are being filled in and the overall image is being manipulated.
The news sources are sharing a very similar video, with similar anomalies.
PSYOP is one of my Army MOSs, this is textbook propaganda. I was supposed to use these skills in a deployment, overseas, but instead I’m using them in response to propaganda being pushed against the American people.
Geez, The Linked In guy is a Harris super doner. the “higher resolution” image looks comically fake,. Literally like a comic.
There are a lot of tangential nits to pick, here, but it seems pretty clear that thebesig is gonna win the main argument here.
Well, if I go on to a Flat Earth Society forum and argue that the world is flat, chances are I’d be considered losing the argument there, too.
That doesn’t change reality at all. There are many angles of this, many first-hand accounts, multiple news agencies, and no reputable ones claiming it’s fake – even Fox and the Washington Examiner are calling that bullshit.
If people wish to ignore reality, there’s not much I can do.
Your comparing my argument to that of a flat earther is false equivalence. I’ve argued against flat earthers on Gab and on Facebook, you and MarineDad61 here argue just like those flat earthers. Their reactions to my arguments, and images proving spherical earth, were very similar to the reactions that MarineDad61 and you have given me here.
I’ve provided the facts to support my argument. Your claims of “no reputable source” reporting a fake is suspect. The sources that you showed had a vested interest in a Harris victory. Fox News, Business Insider, CNN, and others who tried to “call BS” on the AI image fact showed images that had AI images embedded in them.
I’ve been a news junkie since the summer of 1982, our media has truly fallen.
If you expand on the aircraft images that I provided, specifically on the engine, you’d see that there is no reflection of the crowd that is supposed to be near the aircraft.
I’m not ignoring reality, YOU are.
Here is a better quality image showing that reality, it’s plainly obvious that the crowd near the aircraft is not actually there:
In this case you are the flat earther
One legged pidgeons.
Plowed snow.
I’ll bet all the license plates are Florida.
The pigeons are standing on a ledge over looking a parking lot and are MUCH closer to the camera giving the illusion they are bigger than a Camry & 4-Runner. The ledge cuts through at an angle of about 40 degrees from the lower right to the upper left. You can the textual different in the ledge versus the lot below. This type of perspective shot is what Hollywood did in the early days of “monster movies”.
Godzilla.
Godzirra???
Not many people know that in Japan, when they recite the Pledge of Allegiance, they say “One nation, under Godzilla”. No joke.
They’re here! They’re here! RUN for your life!
Lars?
No, just someone with a grasp of reality.
So, are you saying Lars doesn’t?
LC,
Various news and fact checker websites
are way outvoting the AI claims by the others,
who skunked Trump, and skunked thebesig.
And so here it is, another dubious thebesig VG headline.
Both Trump and thebesig should know better.
Instead of this crap,
why doesn’t VG stick to the primary mission,
and pin down the truth and reality about Congressman Cory Mills?
Anyone here care to claim that this website is wrong?
Or the spread of news sites calling it out all got it wrong?
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2024/08/fact-check-image-of-kamala-harris-august-2024-detroit-rally-was-not-digitally-altered.html
MarineDad61: Various news and fact checker websites are way outvoting the AI claims by the others, You mean, various propaganda outlets and websites, who have long ago abdicated journalistic integrity, who are blatantly pro Democrat, claim that this is “not AI”? If that is their conclusion, then they’re liars. Anybody who parrots their arguments are also liars. MarineDad61: who skunked Trump, and skunked thebesig. And so here it is, another dubious thebesig VG headline. Those liars did not “skunk” either Trump or me. See image above. Not a single one of those liars, nor those who spread their lies and propaganda, have proven that an AI image generator was NOT used to manufacture the crowds in those images. Anybody with functioning brain cells, who has worked with AI image generators, would see that large portions of those images, if not the entire portion, was generated via AI. The headline that I provided is dead accurate, and I’m not the only one who sees this. A lot of us have independently spotted the same discrepancies, as well as other discrepancies that others have not pointed out. MarineDad61: Both Trump and thebesig should know better. Wrong, what I pointed out is cold, hard, fact. Donald Trump and thousands of others have also pointed out the fact that AI is being used to make Harris’s crowds look bigger. You Democrats should know better than to fall for leftist nonsense hook, line, and sinker. MarineDad61: Instead of this crap, Facts don’t constitute crap. I get it, you as a Democrat/leftist don’t like facts and reality that destroys what your ego and emotions want to be the case. However, neither you, LC, nor anybody else have advanced a valid argument countering the fact that AI was involved in those images. MarineDad61: why doesn’t VG stick to the primary mission, and pin down the truth and reality about Congressman Cory Mills? Who are you to determine what this website’s primary mission is? Given the rate that the Stolen Valor Ninjas get the information that they need, and given the amount of articles that have been posted,… Read more »
Note to kids everywhere: Don’t believe everything you read or hear. Confirm.
It looks to be about 5,000 people in that crowd. Many are holding cameras. I’d like to see another picture of the same scene from somebody else. It isn’t possible that there wouldn’t be more pictures.
There are countless pictures. You’re a smart guy – did you even try to google? You can find multiple video streams, pictures, first-hand accounts, etc. And AI, while impressive, can’t do coherent (same people, consistent placement, etc) from multiple angles well, either.
thebesig,
“You Democrats”? At moi?
I’ve been a registered GOP voter my entire adult life.
And I believe you KNOW this.
Oh, I also voted for Trump. Twice.
And it looks like a 3rd time this year.
Only because, of the 2 sucky candidates,
whether Trump vs. Biden or Trump vs. Harris,
the Dem choices are worse.
So, take your “You Democrats” elsewhere, just as you were trying to label me a “Never Trumper” over 2 years ago.
You remember, ONLY because I’m NOT all in on your far far far right wing(nut) conspiracy theories,
nor all in on your take of Jan 6.
I remain firm today, that the knuckleheads of Jan 6,
particularly the PA types, the young Harrisburg female who swiped Pelosi’s laptop, bus runner Scavo, cop macer Lazar, and yes Leo Brent Bozell IV (son of hypocritical “media transparency” pundit Brent Bozell (III)),
ALL deserve their prison time.
Yes, at you, you could claim to be a registered GOP all you want, you could blow hot air about voting for Donald Trump all you want, I’m working with your actions on this website. And yes, I see you as a never Trumper, there’s no “trying” here. You argue, and think, like a leftist. This is the only concrete thing that I’ve seen from you, and that’s what I’m going to work with. MarineDad61: And I believe you KNOW this. You believed wrong, don’t tell me what I know, and don’t know. The only thing that I’ve seen, regarding your alleged “registered GOP voter” are your statements. I’m sorry, given that you’ve been dismissive of the cold, hard, facts that I’ve presented here, going as far as describing them as “conspiracies”, and given your attitude towards me here, you’ve long ago lost credibility with me… Having as much credibility with me as Bernath, Blobfish, and the other members of the Dutch Rudder Crew. Your statement regarding the J6 political prisoners is another reason for your lacking credibility. I remain firm now, just I have been since this third world nonsense began, that the vast majority of the J6 political prisoners should not be in prison, or if they warranted prison, they should not have been in as long as they have. In fact, the US Supreme Court recently ruled that the obstruction charge against a J6 defendant was not applicable to what this individual was given obstruction charges for. This ruling impacts other J6 political prisoners. I stand by this argument, just as I stand by the other arguments I’ve made in nearly 21 years of arguing against folks online. I will advance these same arguments until I’m an ancient old man on his deathbed. MarineDad61: You remember, ONLY because I’m NOT all in on your far far far right wing(nut) conspiracy theories, nor all in on your take of Jan 6. WRONG! I’m center right, my arguments are consistent with that of the center right, not the far right. The fact that you’d see me as “far far… Read more »
Looks who’s becoming Republican? She’s tough on the border, crime, and now no tax on tips even though Biden directed the IRS to tough on tips…
She says she’s tough on the border, she bails out her own brownshirt criminals, and she only argues about not taxing tips because Nevada’s a swing state.
My guess is that Mr. Trump actually sees tipping the same way I do – not as wages but as a gratuity – a bonus, freely given, out of respect for exceptional service. I pride myself on being a generous tipper, but some servers absolutely suck and deserve a single penny.
Ms. Harris, on the other hand, seems like the kind to tip $4 on an $80 tab, despite great service.
thebesig, E.Conboy, 5JC, and LC,
I’ve emailed or FaceBook PMed the link to this article (and all these comments, of course), for feedback and opinion, to friends and acquaintances I saw and spoke with
during the 3 hour long lines in 92F heat,
and/or on the air conditioned floor,
at Harrisburg’s Farm Show Arena,
before and during the July 31 Trump Rally.
I’ll soon have 2nd opinion on all this here from
2 County GOP Committee members
(2 neighboring counties),
2 elected PA State Representatives
(both GOP, neither are my district),
and fellow Gulf War Veteran
and retired Army Reserves O-6 COL,
Pennsylvania’s Treasurer.
<– 1 of 12 pics, 3 videos
from July 31 Trump Rally.
A muslime judge in DC just sentenced a 76 year-old woman who took the J6 Capitol tour to a $103,000 fine for her four misdemeanor charges and has made her B&B business inoperable for about a year, plus the seizure of money raised for her defense. MarineDud61 will celebrate her conviction and sentence. He is a J6 obsessive.
Here’s the local news story
about “J6 Grandma”,
and her conviction and sentence.
Holy cackle.
She pulled the “God told me to” line out of her behind, to justify traveling from Colorado to DC.
Not to see Trump at the White House, but you know, to “stop the steal”.
Cuckoo. Cuckoo.
https://gazette.com/news/courts/j6-praying-grandma-from-colorado-springs-area-avoids-prison-but-not-all-penalties/article_eee9701e-58db-11ef-a0f3-2be99162ab7e.html
I find people who make fun of the beliefs of others to have limited imagination.
5JC,
Not making fun of religion.
However, when any Stolen Valor phony hides behind God, Jesus, the Bible, or the crucifix, especially like this Florida Panthers NHL game on ice standing ovation Phony Navy SEAL and fake Beirut barracks survivor Daryl Edwards (VG link below)….
We all pile on the phony for USING religion.
When anyone pulls religion to pursue hard target political planks or positions, with the exceptions of anything obviously true to the tenets of that religion (such as Catholics and abortion),
they open themselves up for the criticism.
And anyone saying “God told me to” for partisan political motives, isn’t hearing what they should be hearing.
Daryl Edwards – Phony SEAL and Fake Marine Barracks Survivor
IAS | March 5, 2020
rgr769,
And thebesig, and a few others here, likely including you, are “J6 deniers”.
125,000 or so went to DC to see Trump at the White House, many went to the Mall, and many even went to the Capitol building area, and almost all of them did nothing wrong, acting peacefully and not willingly breaking any laws, as they are allowed to do.
About 4000 “J6 knuckleheads”,
did wrong, and they pay the price.
Shame on you (plural), for believing they should all get off.
And for believing that anyone there in DC that day can cite God as reason, motivation, or purpose.
MD,
This post will probably have you lump me in as a “denier” but here’s the thing. Being charged with a crime (not bullshit lawfare that SCOTUS has thrown out) for actual crimes that were committed is one thing, but being held without charge or trial for literally years is some banana republic level shit, and should not happen in the US. Add in the mistreatment of these prisoners by guards, the instigation by capitol police, not just opening the doors and allowing some people inside, but shooting blindly and killing a protestor, serious overuse of CS / gas not to push the crowd back, but to push it forward, into confrontation (many videos clearly show this), failing to prosecute people that were show at the forefront of much of the violence (because they were paid by the feds to instigate it???) and the lies of / about some of the capitol police involved is what most people take issue with, NOT that some of the people involved were idiots, and damaged / stole stuff. (and of course, never mind that the reaction to the J6’rs was VASTLY different than the “fiery but mostly peaceful protests) where if anyone was arrested, they faced minimal if any charges, and NONE of them were held like the J6’rs have been.
Just my take on things.. but feel free to have at.
That pretty much covers it! Can’t see one tiny bit of denial there, but there is a shitload of reality.
LC, Lets be honest here……none of the AI crap your beloved Demorats are pulling is necessary. They will cheat (again) and will win the election.
Not my President
I’m not a Democrat, I just dislike Trump. And have a grip on reality, so I know this isn’t AI.
LC,
2 of the 5 in elected GOP positions in PA that I sent this VG article link to, all who attended the July 31 Trump Rally, have already replied back.
Both believe these AI claims are BS.
Both believe Trump got skunked (my word).
(“tricked” and “misled” are their words.)
(Therefore, thebesig also got skunked.
Because, in thebesig world,
if Trump parrots it, therefore it must be true.)
And, 1 of the 2 made it quite clear, from his own history with both GOP and Dem local and state level types running with their scissors on almost any partisan issue, that attempting to discuss, debate, argue with, or convince someone so far gone down the rabbit hole, like thebesig, is a waste of time.
You did good, on calling out the obvious.
LC,
Remember, I live in the land of “205,000 votes”,
a number invented in my back yard,
then parroted by PA State Reps and Senators (including failed 2022 PA GOP Gov. candidate Doug Mastriano),
then repeated over and over and over from December 2020 well into 2023 by Trump himself.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=205000+votes&t=h_&ia=web
I call BS, all we have is what you said happened. As I pointed out yesterday, you have little to no credibility. You have AW1Ed’s email, how about forwarding, what they said to you, to AW1Ed, or have them email him saying the same thing that they allegedly said to you. If the AI “claims” are BS, then how would they explain a lack of reflection on the skin of the aircraft? You could zoom in on the photos that I provided, or you could look at this better quality image zoom in: I stand by my argument, I did not get “skunked”, all you need is common sense, and the ability to zoom in on specific areas of the image, to see that AI filled in gabs that the Democrats wanted to fill in. MarineDad61: (Therefore, thebesig also got skunked. Because, in thebesig world, if Trump parrots it, therefore it must be true.) [SELF PROJECTION] WRONG. First, you’re the one that’s parroting the leftist talking points on this argument, not me. Still trying to figure out why I see you as a leftist with little credibility? Reread what I just said. Second, in my world, arguments have to be based on fact, there has to be a factual foundation from which to advance an argument. As I’ve repeatedly told you, I don’t engage in arguments unless two conditions are met… That I have extensive knowledge on the topic compared to the relative lack of it by the opposition. This has been met in every one of our arguments. You’ve failed to prove me “wrong”, and have gone far enough to claim that elected officials substantiated your assumptions. If your statement were “true”, then these 2 GOP officials are as f*d up as you are. If they really respond to you, forward their message to AW1Ed. MarineDad61: that attempting to discuss, debate, argue with, or convince someone so far gone down the rabbit hole, like thebesig, is a waste of time. First, don’t dismiss a fact based, reasoned, logical argument as “down the rabbit hole”, especially if you consistently fail… Read more »
Seems like the images in my previous response aren’t showing on some browsers. The first one is attached, the second one is a meme I’ve posted letting the opposition know that I intend to keep hammering them.
Click on the image and expand on it, and see what your “elected officials” say about this image.
What I see are people close enough to have a reflection.
It looks like there’s a silhouette of a person who looks like he may be facing away from the plane, or towards the stairs.
In front of him, on the tarmac, is what looks like a smaller group of people.
And here I thought the only use of AI graphics was to make naked elvish princesses…
The Internet; It’s Not Just For Porn, Anymore
There’s porn on the internet? Ya coulda said something!
Something.
Photos or it ain’t real!
I wanna see some nekkid elvish princesses me self…instead of this…
SFW
Hey Timmy, here’s some misinformation for ya. Did you “misspeak” on this?
According to Pete Bootykeg, “only once”.
as discussed before, technically he WAS a CSM. He is not a retired CSM. Is it appropriate to use his highest rank performed on a challenge coin? Hell, for a Dem politician, that’s the definition of honesty – it’s almost accurate.
Actually, he was an acting CSM for his NG unit. I doubt he was ever actually promoted to E-9 because he never completed the SGM academy, which I understand is mandatory for promotion, just like an advanced branch course completion is required for promotion to Major.
He was conditionally promoted. He failed to meet those conditions and reverted to his previous rank. In my time, I was conditionally promoted to SFC. I had to complete ANCOC within a certain time or revert to SSG. Walz had to complete the requirements of the Sergeant Major school to maintain the the rank of SGM, and failed to do so. The NCOES schools are not mandatory FOR promotion, but are mandatory to KEEP the promotion.
It does vary as to whether or not the school is required to wear the rank – sometimes provisional promotions are authorized, sometimes frocking is allowed, and sometimes acting in a particular position still requires you wear your standing rank. A lot of variables apply, but even an E-7 acting as 1SG was addressed as, “First Sergeant.”
I made E-8 in the awkward period after they’d gotten rid of the 1SG Course but were still implementing the MLC; by the time it was a requirement, it was only open to E-7(P), as an E-8, I administratively couldn’t go despite my requests to do so. Technically, I never learned how to be a MSG, but the title is mine for life.
I did make the selection list for E-9 shortly before I was medically retired. Credit where it’s due, Walz is a piece of shit but he actually was a provisional CSM – I tried to avoid the former and never actually wore the latter… still, I’ve never lied about being an unintentional shitbag, nor a retired CSM.
The 1SG course is not part of the NCOES. It’s not required for 1SG. I was an E7 holding a 1SG slot for nearly a year, but not frocked because I didn’t have that (P).
OK. I stand corrected.
I’m extremely disappointed. The Dems used to be much better liars. Bill Clinton weeps.
“That depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” is a better lie?
Many people are ignorant of this fact, but Billy Jeff made that statement under oath when his judge supervised deposition was taken in the Paula Jones case. He was being questioned about whether he had sexual encounters with that intern. Clinton later admitted he gave false testimony about his conduct with Lewinsky. As a result, the Arkansas State Bar suspended his law license for five years.
Was it Paula Jones who got paid a shit ton of money to be quiet, or was it another one of Bill’s side hustle that I’m getting mixed up.
Clinton paid Jones an $850K settlement while her case was pending on appeal from the court that dismissed it.
“I didn’t inhale”
Touché.
But Monica Lewinsky did.
Mostly
She mostly breathed through her nose.
Right up until she went all Angry Dragon.
This is pure comedy at its finest. I know nothing about photography and even I can see that the photos are fakes, especially the second one. What a joke. But the left wing-nuts will, most of whom are at best delusional and at worst stooooopid, all cheer and rally around these two turd nuggets and parade them around as hero’s for their party
This crew is just not very good at anything.
Gotta disagree Steve, they’ve proven to be pretty damn good at cheating, and stealing election.. ” the greatest voter fraud operation ever”..
Need to find that sound/video clip before it dissappears forever.
There is another photo which shows the side of the aircraft fuselage, and there is a reflection of the adjacent tarmac as empty of people, yet the photo has a mass of people where there is vacant pavement in the reflection in the blue paint.
Are you talking about this photo?
No. That is one of the engine nacelle. The one I saw was of the side of the fuselage. But the reflected image was similar. It showed the same building and open pavement reflected in the glossy blue paint.
The above is a part of the image below, which is another photo that I’ve seen showing the reflection of the area. In the above zeroed in image, and the larger one, you could see the ground/tarmac all the way to the buildings.
The yellow lines showing the taxiway/ramp borders are reflected in both areas circled and on the fuselage between those areas. Those areas should be obscured by the massive crowd in that area of concrete pavement, as shown in the long shot.
Have both of you watched the ACTUAL VIDEO, put up here by Fox News?
Let us know if and how the event video at the tarmac is somehow fake.
Then let us know who is really faking the photos out there.
[[[ Vice President Harris arrives at Detroit-area rally, greeted by thousands
Video shows Vice President Kamala Harris arriving for a campaign rally in Romulus, Michigan, on Aug. 7. ]]]
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6360312188112
Yes, and my stance remains the same. Go back to your link and watch the video again. Specifically, look at the reflection from the aircraft, and listen, the sounds indicate that there are no crowds near the aircraft.
Watch as Kamala Harris deplanes. the sound in the video indicates that it is quiet near where the plane is at, and that there is music coming from the hanger where the rally would be held.
Now, as Harris ends up on the tarmac, watch her reflection… It shows her walking on an empty tarmac, no crowds.
Here’s a meme I generated from an image that I pulled from Fox News, I stand by my argument:
I wuz standing ther in them shadows. It wuz hott in the sun.!
Gov. Walz is a liar.
Claimed to be at Bagram. 1:38:13
BennSue,
He was there, but not in uniform, and not while in the military.
He was there more recently, as a Congressman.
Not the same thing.
And NOT the way he plays it in his deceptive public speaking. Ugh.
https://nypost.com/2024/08/12/us-news/walz-draws-scrutiny-for-giving-impression-afghanistan-trip-as-congressman-was-military-deployment/
I don’t buy it. His itinerary states he was supposed to visit the base twice, but not that he did. Furthermore, there is practically zero chance he was on the ramp at night. His speech prior to the statement speaks that “I served in the national guard. When I left I had a 2 year old and when I came back I had a 3 year old.” Walz has 2 kids, born in 2001 and 2006. So the year he is speaking of has to be 2003 or 2008 (roughly). His entire statement is dependent on those listening that “he served, he deployed, he was there.” He’s a complete valor vulture.
BennSue,
Or 2011, in the Middle East for a 10th anniversary commemoration of 9/11.
These Walz Follies just keep getting better and better, as new chestnuts and nuggets of gold from the past keep surfacing.
BennSue,
Not defending Gov. A-Walz, but speaking only as the guy who, from Sep ‘08-Mar ‘09 counted among his duties as the CJTF-101 JOC night NCOIC arranging these ramp ceremonies (we called them Fallen Comrade ceremonies), I can say with authority that the timing of the Fallen Comrade ceremony was dictated by the departure time of the first available C-17 from Bagram once mortuary affairs could have the hero’s remains ready for transport to Germany. If that plane was going to be ready to depart at 0500, then we were manning the streets at 0300. So it is possible that a Congressional delegation could have been on the ramp at oh-dark thirty.
The guy is still a turd burglar.
Dumbass also thought Bagram was in Iraq.
I wonder if Biden thought the same. It would explain why it was abandoned in favor of the strategically and tactically inferior Kandahar airport.
Holy fucking fuck! I finally found Waldo!!!!
Where’s Walzo?
Not in Afghanistan or Iraq. Maybe check Italy.
Probably the biggest tell is that there is no tail number under the flag on the tail. The usual Air Force 2 is 80002. Even if that is a replacement, it would have a tail number.
Missed that detail until you pointed it out.
Apparently that was a change in policy last year.
https://www.twz.com/air-force-c-32-jets-are-going-incognito-under-new-security-policy
Nothing says US Government louder than a string of black SUVs or plain white planes. Nothing to see here.
I’m sure it’s a headache for those tasked with servicing them when there’s no markings to ensure the correct plane is being worked on, unless ID markings are painted somewhere less obvious like the front landing gear doors.
Tampon Timis a cocksucker
FOX NEWS shows the ACTUAL VIDEO
of Harris and Walz disembarking the plane.
Other news sources have it out there, too.
So now, a whole bunch of you can ask yourselves….
WHO faked photos ?
WHY did Trump allow himself to get skunked ?
And the obvious…
WHY does THEBESIG keep putting up his phony fight ???
Along with attacks and insults on those who point out the obvious ?
[[[ Vice President Harris arrives at Detroit-area rally, greeted by thousands
Video shows Vice President Kamala Harris arriving for a campaign rally in Romulus, Michigan, on Aug. 7. ]]]
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6360312188112
MarineDad61: FOX NEWS shows the ACTUAL VIDEO of Harris and Walz disembarking the plane. Other news sources have it out there, too. That doesn’t change the fact that AI was used to fill gaps in the video. Look at the reflection on the plane… NO CROWDS on the tarmac from the Airplane to the building. Watch as the people deplane and go down the stairs. Their figures end up on an empty tarmac, shown on the aircraft. If you listen to the sound in the video, it’s obvious that it is quiet near the airplane, and that there is noise coming from the hanger where Harris and Walz would hold their rally. If you stop the video, and expand on it (when shown on other platforms), you could see the discrepancies that I pointed out. MarineDad61: So now, a whole bunch of you can ask yourselves…. WHO faked photos ? Either Fox News, or the source of their video, or both. Your video proves my argument. MarineDad61: WHY did Trump allow himself to get skunked ? Donald Trump did not get skunked. The images in the links that LC and you showed have discrepancies, which become obvious when you pause the video and expand on it. It’s YOU that got skunked. MarineDad61: And the obvious… WHY does THEBESIG keep putting up his phony fight ??? Because I’m correct in this argument. None of the videos that the opposition has shown, whether here or elsewhere, have proven what you are claiming. Every single one of them had discrepancies that would not exist had these been genuine non-manipulated photos. See above, watch your own video, this time without falling hook, line, and sinker for leftist propaganda, aka getting skunked. Second, we’ve been in enough arguments, and you’ve posted here long enough, to know that an argument with me continues until the opposition stops arguing with me. So, if you’re wondering why I keep arguing, it is because I am right, and it is also because I am a fanatic when it comes to providing counter rebuttals. Want me to stop fighting? Quit… Read more »