Saturday Election Updates
In Arizona, Senator Mark Kelly and Representative Greg Stanton hold onto their seats for the Democrats. There are still some races in Arizona that are too close to call. Additionally, the Democrat candidate for Secretary of State won his race. Fontes intends to make his office “transparent” and to make it easier for registered voters to vote.
Meanwhile, in Nevada, incumbent Democrat Senator Chatherine Cortez Masto is getting closer to overtaking the lead that Adam Laxalt has. Joe Lombardo wins the race for governor of Nevada against incumbent Steve Sisolak. In Colorado, incumbent Lauren Boebert maintains her lead against her Democrat opponent.
Meanwhile, Republicans are asking for a delay in choosing the leadership until the races are settled and they know the party composition that will be voting. The chances that the Republicans would retake the Senate are getting slimmer, but they still have a chance to take the House.
Category: 2022 Elections
Sorry the count is taking so long, Democrats ran out of blank ballots and had to get some more before they can continue…
When you believe that 2+2=5 it no wonder…
I guess the peeps that voted for that gretcham witmar I think her name is likes to have lockdowns and wear masks to bed and drive their automobiles wearing masks. Most likely she was also voted in by all the CNN MSNBS low information voters because she has a D in front of her name.
Also heard on WFTL 850AM radio earlier tht the nys governor won because a few weeks before the election, she started to preach law and order in her realm and of course the low information voted her in. This shit can’t get any better and I love it. 26 years living in Queens nyc 1945-1971 were great and then to Nassau County NYS 1971-2007 the same and down to the gunshine state of Florida.where we have a great Gov and election results are out the same day the poles were opened on Nov 8th.
The steal continues.
“Adventurous abroad and despotic at home.” You called it, Bobby Lee.
Unfortunately late returns and mail-ins skew D. Boebert may not make it, Murkowski is inching up in Alaska, the D’s now have over 200 House seats while the Rs seem stalled on 211. Walker actually won in GA, but needing 50% and only having 49%, a runoff/redo could take that. His best chance is to get DeSantis there to help, and keep Trump far away. Right now a Trump endorsement is not an asset.
Trump endorsement not an asset? The latest numbers I have is 219 Trump endorsed candidates winning, and 19 Trump endorsed candidates losing.
Don’t buy the nonsense propaganda being spewed about Trump “losing his touch”. I’ve even seen trolls on Twitter and elsewhere claiming to have “had it” with Trump and that they’re “all in for DeSantis”. It doesn’t help them that they act like Russian trolls… When your heart is into your statement, it shows. When it’s fabricated, it also shows.
The reality is that that majority of us are solidly behind Trump. The propagandist media is trying to portray him as a “has been”, then following that up with a call for the party to “move on” from Trump. F* that, f* them, and FJB. If Trump is sideswiped from being endorsed in some way, the Democrats would not have to commit election fraud to win the 2024 Election, White House and Congress.
Big GOP would be foolish if they think we’d accept the pre-Trump GOP.
Seems to me a better metric is to ask how many he endorsed won COMPETITIVE races? Someone running in a solid-red district which has voted red for decades would win whether Trump endorsed them or not. I’d rather see a list of legit contested races where he made a recommendation which had an effect. If, say 150 were hotly contested and Trump endorsed folks won 140, that would be stellar. If his endorsements won 40 contests and 170 locked-up red districts it wouldn’t mean as much.
Part I
False. Using endorsements in competitive races is pointless when there is ELECTION FRAUD in many of the contested elections, especially in areas with a strong Democrat presence. If you want to factor out races in solid-red districts, then you have to factor out blue districts where the endorsed candidate would lose regardless as something counting against Trump. THAT is what the media is highlighting, the losses in areas that are contested in blue districts… Especially when amplified by election fraud. Thus, the scenario you propose is null and void.
Your argument, and metrics, erroneously assumes that election fraud did not occur. I’ve been following elections since Ronald Reagan’s re-election campaigns. Bellwether indicators have reliably predicted the winners… Before 2020. Since 2020, there was a disconnect. this disconnect is amplified when bellwether indicators are consistent with polling, and both ended up different from actual results.
Part II
Election fraud not only taints the results of the election, but it also makes null and void any argument that Trump’s endorsement “had no effect”.
It does not help when big GOP starts buying into the “we need better messaging” and to “move on from Trump” canard. The only thing they accomplish with that messaging is proving people right when they accuse both the Republicans and Democrats of being a part of the “uniparty”.
Trump is not hurting the GOP, as RINOs are claiming. Florida proves that with effective election integrity laws implemented, not only are Trump’s endorsements very effective, but that bellwether indicators and pre-election polling actually come close to the actual outcome.
Again, if big GOP sidelines Trump and nominates another Republican, the Democrats will not need to commit election fraud to have a clean sweep in 2024.
Republicans in Name Only (RINOs)…
David,
Herschel Walker is now DOWN in GA, by 35k votes.
And, the runoff for December is already in trouble,
especially with Trump acting up next week.
thebesig can push his alternate far-right version,
which is perhaps 20% of Pennsylvania Republican voters.
He ignores that Dr. Oz,
who did NOT embrace Trump, came close (and lost),
and Doug Mastriano,
who crawled up Trump’s ass, got thumped bad
(and is already transitioning his fringe popularity
into a HOLY MISSION).
In Pennsylvania, Trump hurt more than helped.
Bring out the Trump faithful to rallies, sure,
(I went to rallies in ’16 and ’18.)
but these 2022 rallies did NOT reflect nor help
what happened at the November polling places.
Also, thebesig’s “219”
is mostly candidates like my incumbent GOP Congressman,
in a 65% RED Congressional district,
with a weak DEM challenger, who really had no chance.
So, thebesig can believe Trump is the key.
We will see, in 2023.
David (and thebesig),
All about a Georgia runoff may now be moot.
FOX and other networks are calling Nevada for the DEM incumbent.
Meaning, DEMS now have the Senate with 50.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-maintain-control-united-states-senate
MarineDad61 keeps pushing BS propaganda that Trump is holding people down. He even admits to OZ’s not embracing Trump, destroying his entire argument. Pennsylvania MAGA conservatives on Patriots (the real Pennsylvania conservative voices) criticized the OZ endorsement.
The problem is not with Trump, but with what is going on behind the scenes where the votes are being counted. This is not alternative “far-right” version, but reality. Unlike MD61, I’m seeing trends happening in our elections that I’ve seen overseas. Fraud in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, and elsewhere.
MD61’s dismissal of the endorsement success rate ignores the actual argument… That Trumps endorsements mostly “failed”. They didn’t. The actual voting demographics was not that different from the one that gave Congress to the Democrats in 2018, so dismissing the 219 votes is intellectual dishonesty at best.
thebesig,
Do the math.
2,470,235 votes for Oz (for US Senate)
2,223,694 votes for Mastriano (for PA Governor)
= 246,541 in PA voted for Oz, and NOT for Mastriano.
It’s pretty bad,
when a big chunk of Pennsylvania Republicans,
a quarter million,
would vote for Oz,
and then NOT vote for their own party’s candidate for Gov,
election denier Trump chaser Mastriano.
Worse,
Mastriano has NOT conceded,
even after losing to Shapiro by over 750,000 votes.
Even worser,
and now, his grassroots collective of holy nuts
are now mounting a RECOUNT effort.
Good luck with that.
https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2022-us-governor-election-results-live-map
I did the math AND did some critical thinking based on historic trends. Your numbers are null and void when election fraud is occurring across the country, including in Pennsylvania. You can’t ignore election fraud, then turn around and argue that the resulting voting tallies is “proof” that Trump is no longer relevant.
Do you think that they would produce the exact same number, or near the same numbers, for each candidate? No, to effectively carry out fraud while minimizing suspicion, different numbers of votes are manufactured for each desired candidate. Other factors come into play, such as complaints that Oz distanced himself from Trump.
The Democrats, knowing how gullible most news audiences are, would sack the more visible pro Trump candidate compared to the guy that distanced himself from Trump. You don’t have to have a PSYOP background to see what they’re doing.
Your answer to everything is this supposed ‘election fraud’. Yet, time and time again, like in the ridiculous ‘Ramsland Report’ that got counties mixed up between states, and the equally dismissed ‘Navarro Report’, which was chock full of errors, … there’s zero proof.
The people who purport to have it, like Mike Lindell, keep saying they’re going to show it aaaaany time now. The Kraken, surely, is imminent. This time, anyway.
On top of that, the current fear-mongering about fraud in Maricopa conveniently ignores that those are Republicans in charge there — they’re now conspiring with the Democrats?
When your conspiracy theory relies on the coordination of of countless people across political parties, law enforcement, the entire judicial system including the Supreme Court, federal agencies tasked with election security, private companies, and multiple leaps of logic.. maybe it’s time to consider Occam’s razor.
Part I
When you and others ignore the obvious, election fraud, I’m going to point it out. Zero proof regarding the Navarro Report and others like it? FALSE! Not a single one of you advanced a valid argument proving that election fraud “did not” occur.
No, folks like Mike Lindell are not needed for this argument. Thousands of affidavits have been generated, countless videos have popped up, election tallies have been downloaded and plotted on graphs, etc. I would take the word of people who were on the scene, witnessing election fraud, over those who would rather spread propaganda denying election fraud than to come to terms with an inconvenient reality.
You’re incorrect about Republicans being in charge of Maricopa County. The majority of bureaucrats are Democrats, in Maricopa Country as well as throughout the country. In Arizona, as in other states, they work for the Secretary of State. Democrats are running the show regarding ballot counting.
So which is it – you either don’t realize that counties do their own tally, so Katie Hobbs wasn’t involved at that level, or you don’t realize that the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors are primarily Republican? That doesn’t even include the County Recorder who also helps with elections, and is also a Republican.
Inductive fallacy: Strawman.
Now add the rest of what I said to get context and my actual argument:
“The majority of bureaucrats are Democrats, in Maricopa Country as well as throughout the country. In Arizona, as in other states, they work for the Secretary of State.” – thebesig
The composition of the board of supervisors, or the county leadership, do not constitute the totality of the bureaucracy, consisting of people who are not elected, working for the government. It does not matter if the elected officials are Republicans, the majority of bureaucrats are leftists.
It’s the bureaucrats, and their allied volunteers, that are conducting the counting and, by extension, committing election fraud.
My argument still stands, and I intend to argue this point until I’m an ancient old man on his deathbed.
So… like when people go to court and stuff… The point is to refute evidence of wrong doing… not allegations of wrong doing. At least in America anyway. The burden of proof is on the state or the accuser to make the case, not for the accused to prove themselves not guilty. Proving a negative is a bit harder.
Part I
The Navarro Report, and others like it, presented exhaustive evidence, and an analytical argument connecting the evidence, to accurately argue that election fraud occurred. the Navarro Report referenced the affidavits submitted to the Republicans from multiple states. I’ve gone through some of these affidavits, after going through enough of them, the same patterns emerged across multiple states.
The Republican side thoroughly proved that election fraud occurred. I’ve gone through the reports that the Arizona audit posted to their site… The patterns I saw with the affidavits, that made it into the Navarro Report, were among the same patterns that showed up in the Arizona Audit reports.
Part II
I’ve also seen time plots based on raw vote tally data from the impacted states in 2020, the dataset, and visible trend, on the resulting plots substantiated statements in the affidavits.
The side that argued election fraud presented a powerful, evidence based, analytical argument that election fraud occurred. The trend that I’ve seen, from those who claim that election fraud “did not occur” involved strawmen argument and other inductive fallacies, as well as media talking points.
Media talking points were the bulk of their claims that election fraud “did not happen”. I’ve argued this topic multiple times, that is what I’ve seen from the opposition. When I say that their side failed to prove their argument, it is based on what I’ve seen them actually do.
You believed the Republicans proved their cases you mean. The 50 courts that looked at the cases didn’t agree. Including those courts presided over with judges appointed by Trump.
I’m not interested in media talking points or even believe that fraud didn’t occur, fraud always occurs. I’m more interested in what was proved beyond a reasonable doubt or even a preponderance of evidence and nothing was.
The courts refused to bring relevant complaints to trial. The fact that the courts refused to bring this to trial does not change the fact that election fraud occurred, enough to change the outcome of the election. This did not even get to the stage where both sides could bring their arguments to bear. No trail is not a good litmus test.
If you want to see overwhelming evidence of election fraud, download the reports that resulted from the Arizona Audit, they are consistent with what I’ve seen with the affidavits that were generated in the aftermath of the 2020 election.
I mean, you did not have any evidence of my existence before you saw my first post here. Does that mean that I did not exist prior to your seeing my first post here?
So… your take is that even the Trump-appointed, conservative judges are in on this conspiracy, since some of them refused to bring these cases to trial? Not, say, that the cases had no merit?
I remember reading the Ramsland one quite a bit – claiming 350% vote turnout in certain counties… and it quickly fell apart because they didn’t understand that MI is Michigan, not Minnesota. You know, stuff a 3rd-grade likely knows.
Top-notch stuff, clearly. Totally convincing.
Part I
It doesn’t matter if they were Trump appointed or not. Judges were receiving a lot of threats not just to them but also to their families. County commissioners as well as those in charge of signing certifying the county votes, were also receiving a lot of threats against them and against their children. I remember one situation, in the aftermath of the 2020 election, county level certifiers refusing to certify fraudulent results, just to do a 180 in the aftermath of receiving threats.
Beyond that, these judges used technicalities, and procedures, to refuse to hear cases. Lawyers commented on this fact by saying that judges do this constantly, using technicalities and procedures to not bring cases to trial.
Part II
Mistaking one state for another is not relevant. The court could say, “No jurisdiction”, or they could order the one side to advance an argument that they have jurisdiction over. Had this been something unrelated, the mistake would have been overlooked, with the appropriate side providing corrections. I filed for divorce in the mid 1990s to end my first marriage; I’ve seen how things like this play out.
Missing these finer details is something I would expect a 3rd grader to do.
Part II
No, not a “conspiracy theory” when the coordination of countless people across political parties, law enforcement, the judicial system including the Supreme Court, federal agencies tasked with election security, and private companies, are consistent with what occurs in other countries where election fraud similarly occurs.
It takes a complete fool to assume that what happens in other countries can’t possibly happen in the United States. It takes a completely bigger fool to ignore the first hand account of people, thousands of them, who have submitted affidavits, videos, and photos showing indicating election fraud.
Not “multiple leaps of logic”, but accurately describing what is going on, like describing a red fire hydrant as being a red fire hydrant. Occam’s Razor is what I explained.
Part III
What you dismiss as “multiple leaps of logic” is a fact based, reasoned, logical argument that’s based on over 4 decades of being both a history buff and a current events buff. When I state something as a case, such as election fraud, it is based on a repeated pattern of facts that I could take and make accurate projection on.
As I told someone else here, you don’t have to have a background in PSYOP to see what I’m seeing. What I’m seeing here, regarding election fraud, and the picture that I’ve painted, is an example of how we would put things together downrange in matters related to enemy propaganda and actions. Tragically, I’m using these skillsets in the US to describe a hard reality that your side of the argument refuses to acknowledge simply because you guys are getting your way. I highly doubt that you would be arguing differently from me had the Democrats gotten screwed this way.
He will never admit reality. He is closet Orange Man Bad acolyte. He is a drinker of the MSM Kool-ade.
rgr769.
Nope.
Wrong.
Also, I live in Pennsylvania.
I can not only see and read,
but also talk to other Pennsylvania Republican voters.
The reality here is that Pennsylvania is a 51/49 state, that regularly flip flops party in the Governor’s office, but not now, as we are facing the rare 3rd 4 year term with a Dem Governor, after 8 years of an unpopular Governor Wolf,
who had 2 LtGovs, the 1st driven off in shame, and the 2nd now a newly elected US Senator, flipping a Republican seat (the retirement of Toomey).
This is all really disappointing to Pennsylvania Republicans.
We should have won it all, and didn’t.
And the blames are flying.
thebesig is way off on his rants at LC and 5JC today.
The vote count and polling conspiracy theories end today.
Mastriano just conceded,
a few hours after I commented above that he hasn’t (yet).
Let’s see if VG staff member David,
who started this long thread,
has any (new) input.
David, you out there???
Response to MarineDad61, November 14, 2022, Part 1A
rgr769 is absolutely correct about LC. What was said about LC could be applied to you and to others that I’ve argued against, online, over the past 19 years.
Throughout those 19 years, you guys have slotted yourselves into apparent psychological profiles. Neither you nor LC argue from a reality-based world view. Yes, you live in Pennsylvania, so do those who post on conservative sites. You go against the grain when compared to statements by other Pennsylvanians, I’ll believe those whose arguments are consistent with reality.
Any talk about which way Pennsylvania leans, based on election results, is suspect. Complaints of election fraud have occurred since 2002 in different parts of the country, most ignored it and moved on. Had Trump not ran in 2020, we would treat instances of election fraud as we did in the previous elections.
Response to MarineDad61, November 14, 2022, Part 2A
In 2020, the cover was blown and the extent of the fraud was exposed. Election fraud did not just happen in the swing states. They happened in other states as well. Making an argument about how the voters feel about an issue, based on fraudulent numbers, is making an argument that does not reflect the realities on the ground.
Look at Florida. What happened to “Florida is turning blue” or “Florida is purple”? They pushed election integrity and we saw the result. Not purple, not transitioning to blue, but solidly red. Anybody looking at this with a critical mind would ask, “If Florida’s trajectory changed, what’s going on in the other states?”
Watch the movie, “Wag the Dog”, that’s precisely what is happening here, except instead of talking about a fabricated event overseas, we’re talking about a fabricated electorate tendency.
Response to MarineDad61, November 14, 2022, Part 3A
“thebesig is way off on his rants at LC and 5JC today.” – MarineDad61
WRONG! Don’t dismiss a fact based, reasoned, logical argument as “rants”. They aren’t. Way off? FALSE. My argument is dead accurate. Your arguments, on the other hand, are so far off that if your marksmanship were anything like the inaccuracy of your arguments about my arguments or about me, I’d hate to be the person standing behind you as you shoot the target in front of you. That would be suicide on the part of the person behind you.
Mastriano’s concession does not change the FACT (not conspiracy) that election fraud occurred.
Watch Wag the Dog. The audience in that movie, listening to propaganda news based on fabricated events remind me of folks like you and of others who argue like you do about this topic.
Smug little prick, too.
David,
are you out there?
Your original comment here
has turned into a marathon of rants by thebesig,
who accuses ME of “BS propaganda”,
for paraphrasing and furthering your original comment.
thebesig then turns all Part 1 Part 2
on not only you, but also LC and 5JC.
Let us know what you think of all this.
Frankly, I am alarmed that the VG website allows this to continue.
You know, with thebesig.
Response to MarineDad61, November 14, 2022, Part 1B
That’s not an “accusation” against you, but a statement of fact, you’re spreading propaganda. I’m not just saying this having been a news junkie since the summer of 1982, a history buff since the late 1970s, but I also say this as having a professional background when it comes to knowing what propaganda is (PSYOP). There is a clear disconnect between the nonsense that you’re spewing here, and the trend of the facts that I’m seeing.
Yes, his comment started a mini thread, but guess who made the original post that David responded to? Go ahead, scroll up and then come back and give me your answer. You complain, whine, moan, and groan about my “Part 1 and Part 2” responses, then complain, whine, moan, and groan about how VG “allows this to happen”.
Now, go back and run through this thread reeeaaaaaaalll slllloooooooowwwww… Then come back…
Response to MarineDad61, November 14, 2022, Part 2B
Are you back? Okay, why is it that I am responding? Why is it that I have a Part 1 and a Part 2? Because someone said something that I responded to maybe?
Think about it, if nobody responded to me, I mean, people just scrolled past my comments and did not respond to me directly or indirectly, don’t you think that maybe, just maybe, there would be no “Part I” or “Part II”? Don’t you think that, you know, if people chose to not engage in debate against me, my posts wouldn’t be all over the place, as I would not have something to work with to generate a rebuttal?
The fact that you ignore your part in paving the way for my responses speaks volumes about your apparent psychological profile… You have anger issues, control issues, and ego issues. Your post to David is an attempt to turn David against me… Just as you attempt to turn Dave et al. against me in other avenues.
Response to MarineDad61, November 14, 2022, Part 3B
The reality is that you’re alarmed at the fact that you can’t get far with your bullying people on this site. THAT’s what you’re alarmed about. You’re not used to the pushback that I’m dealing you. You’re behaving just as a bully behaves when his intended punching bag changes the script and the roles.
Understand that you’re pushing your luck with your antics. I’ve been informed that all I have to do is “give the word” and you’ll be thrown into moderator jail. Don’t give me the justification to give them the word to do so.
Dump and roll.. DETECTED!
Yup.
The states may explain it away to a point that it is hard to criticize or say otherwise, but I can’t help but think that they LOVE being the center of national attention for either a glitch in the voting or their rules for counting and verifying.
Why is it that whenever there is a long period of time spent counting votes, it is always Democrats who gain more votes, never Republicans. There has never, to my knowledge, been a “come from behind” Republican election victory.
All part of the plan.
At some point I imagine it will all unravel.
Shortly before mara lago raid, does anybody besides me recall hearing Trump say “we got them all”?
I agree with 5JC, it will all unravel, and in a most spectacular fashion.
Should we buy stock in rope? Synthetic or hemp? Lease out any tall trees on our properties and sell choice viewing sites to highest bidder? Asking for a friend.
Ya know Odie, I used to believe that…but it’s been going on for YEARS, and the song remains the same.
Just hemp. It is traditional. And it is cruel to hang a man with a manilla rope; it leaves unsightly abrasions.
Lauren Boebert (R) was behind in Colorado; on Wednesday the estimates of remaining ballots were revised from 1% to 2%, and three successive updates over the next two days all favored her, even from one area that trends more towards Democrats She went from being behind by 64, to up by 80, then a few hundred, and now 1100 or so.
Still more outstanding, so it could reverse, but I expect not.
Saturday Night Election Update
US Senate
Dem 50 – Rep 49
https://abcnews.go.com/Elections/2022-us-senate-election-results-live-map
Hold your hats !!!
Sunday Noon UPDATE
With 94% counted,
Republican Laxalt is again in the lead, by 821 votes.
In reality, TOO CLOSE TO CALL.
Fox and other networks may have been premature
to call this for the Dem incumbent.
Not the first time Fox has fornicated Fido when it comes to calling elections..
Fox News has become what CNN et al. were when I abandoned them for Fox News. The Drudge Report has jumped ship and cucked out. The Bongino Report is doing now what Drudge used to do.
The latest numbers have Cortez Mastro ahead by ~6K votes:
https://silverstateelection.nv.gov/USSenate/#race2
Interestingly, she only wins two counties – Clark (52.3%) and Washoe (50.6%), which are razor-thin margins.. but since those two combined make up 86.2% of the entire votes, it gives her the edge.
Maybe even more interesting – third party candidates got enough votes to close that gap. Makes me wonder if there was ranked-choice voting how it’d have gone.
“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide.”
-Joseph Stalin
Seriously considering voting for only far left people. The sooner we hit rock bottom, the sooner we can fix stuff. The trick is surviving the rock bottom
That won’t happen. Political parties in Venezuela boycotted elections, leaving the Socialists with a quicker route to their ultimate objective.
When we “hit rock bottom” in this scenario, that’s it, game over. It would take a couple of generations for them to establish total control over us. Enough politicians will be voted in who make Democrat wish lists, regarding Constitution changes, reality. Electoral College, gone. Second Amendment, modified or gone. First Amendment, modified.
People should read up on the social credit system. The cancel culture taking place right now is just the beginning. The social credit system is cancel culture on steroids.
Many of the folks dismissing election fraud will either not be around to fully suffer the consequences of long-term Democrat policies or are among the younger generations who will be in for a shocker when their “services” will no longer be needed.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/12/cascading-trouble-for-ftx-crypto-exchange-leads-to-inquiries-of-campaign-donations-to-democrats-and-regulators/
An interesting read on a story that hasn’t gained any traction on the msm. At least none that I have seen or heard.
Ignore it and it won’t exist, it’s the effete progressive way!