Disagreement between an airplane’s pilots causes additional delay

| July 25, 2022

Passengers on an Alaska Airlines flight experienced a flight delay due to a storm. They waited out the storm on the tarmac. However, the storm was not the only reason for the delay. Disagreement between the two pilots resulted in a decision that the pilots could not get along. They could not work together. One of the pilots walked off the flight and was replaced by another pilot from another delayed flight.

From FOXBusiness:

Alaska flight AS1080 from Washington to San Francisco was returned to the gate before taking off Monday after the two pilots “had a professional disagreement,” the airline told Fox Business in a statement on the matter.

“While this situation was unfortunate, in the interest of safety, the pilots did the right thing,” the airline said. “Both the captain and the first officer were evaluated by management, and it was determined they remained fit to fly. We swapped crews and the flight continued to San Francisco. We apologized to our guests for the inconvenience this caused.”

Passengers who claimed to be on the flight tweeted that part of the more than two-hour delay was due to a storm they were waiting out on the tarmac while aboard the plane. However, they said the flight was further delayed after the two pilots had an apparent argument and turned the plane around to the gate.

One Twitter user posted a video that appeared to show the end of the pilots’ announcement and other passengers saying, “Can’t we all just get along?”

Another Twitter user wrote: “After an hour and a half delay, we now return to the terminal due to ‘a failure of the captain and first officer to get along.'”

The airline pulled a pilot from a different delayed flight to replace the pilot who walked off the plane, reported One Mile at a Time, a travel news website that first reported the pilots’ argument.

FOXBusiness has the article here.

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jeff LPH 3 63-66

WFTL AM Radio mentioned this last week but did not know the reason for what happened between the two pilots. This morning Jay Radcliff the stations Airline expert was on and talking about it but I wasn’t paying attention to what he said.

Old tanker

My guess is that one pilot was all hot to get moving and the other wasn’t willing to push into the weather.

KoB

Be friendly when you fly the skies…and be united. The cockpit (can we still say that?) of a jet loaded with paying passengers is NOT the school playground. Leave yo drama wid yo mama and do your damn job. All of us have had to work with/around whiney little bitches at some point in time or another. Comes with the territory.

SFC D

“Cockpit” is allowed if and only if the flight crew is all biologically male. If the stuation arises where the flight crew is all biologically female, the flight deck will be referred to as “The Box Office”.

I’ll be in timeout if anyone needs me.

26Limabeans

One of them was named Roger and they had a flap over the flap setting.

Hack Stone

Hack heard that it was over who would have the fish.

jeff LPH 3 63-66

Hmm, something fishy about that. I’ll fish around and find out if the whole flight deck crew fit into “the Box Office”

Hack Stone

Airplane! reference, as the Roger comment.

poetrooper

Could it be that an airplane rots like a fish, from the head back? 🤔 

BlueCord Dad

Or Clarence didn’t hear the clearance maybe?

jeff LPH 3 63-66

If Barbara Bilingsley was the co pilot she would be jive talking doing the equipment check off list.

A Proud Infidel®™

Maybe Victor didn’t have the vector, or was it about Macho Grande?

I’ll never get over Macho Grande.

Hack Stone

The argument started when the copilot said that Daniel Bernath was not an Honorary Chief Petty Officer.

SFC D

The pilot claimed that an iPad was a legitimate navigational and fuel status tool. The Co-pilot did not share that opinion.

Hack Stone

No, we don’t need to add fuel, we have enough to reach our destination, give or take 200 hundred yards.

SFC D

Q: How far can we make it on fuel?

A: All the way to the crash site. And with a tailwind, we can beat the firetrucks there!

Hack Stone

If Daniel Bernath had a can of Red Bull with him on that fateful trip, he just may have made it. Unfortunately, the only beverage that he had with him was a kamikaze.

rgr769

I heard the human lawn dart was not killed in a fall from the sky in his little aeroplane; it was that abrupt stop in the woods.

Hack Stone

He started a movement to have the laws of physics rescinded as they were discriminatory towards the altitude challenged.

A Proud Infidel®™

He’s probably still pissed that he can’t posthumously sue Darwin!

SFC D

Darwin saw him arriving at the pearly gates and said “GOTCHA!”

Koekepan

So, don’t ask me how I know this, but …

Alaska actually has (and is kind of ahead of the game here) an iPad app that their pilots use, which does a number of cool things including containing a lot of the paperwork that pilots would otherwise have to drag along (>40 pounds of it). It does some other practical things as well, and actually can help a lot with things such as identifying emergency airport options and that good stuff.

It does not get certified for use, in any version, without a live flight with an FAA inspector – here meaning a live test flight with only technicians and FAA staff on board. No passengers, no paying cargo, nada.

I also happen to know that Alaska has a blacklist of pilots that all co-pilots can use to indicate the pilots with whom they refuse to fly, on the grounds of those pilots being peckerheads. There are reasons for this; one is to keep the friendly skies friendly, and another is to prevent this sort of situation. Go figure.

rgr769

I have heard that all the pilot’s approach and departure plates for each airport that used to be published in paper books are now available to download onto I pads or laptops. These were one dimensional paper maps showing the details on how to fly an instrument approach or departure to or from an airport.

AW1Ed

There are old pilots.

And there are bold pilots.

But there are no old, bold pilots.

Mick

Shack!

Tallywhagger

There can only be one pilot in command. Good that they resolved whatever disparity was in play before getting into the system.

JustALurkinAround

Glad these pilots had the sense to return to the gate. A situation like this could have led to a scenario where one of the pilots died.

*CUE THE MAWKISH MUSIC*

**CRESCENDO ON THE TOSS**

The surviving pilot would then have to stand in a canoe with a somber look on his face. His tear-filled eyes would look downward to his tightly gripped hand. Slowly opening his fist, he’d stare down, and in almost unconsolable sorrow, read the name tag of his departed colleague. Then, in one final cathartic act, he throws the name tag into the pond.

Then he goes inside and fucks the dead pilot’s wife.

Have to have a happy ending…

Mike B

How about this recent incident…..literally sounds like it could be a scene from Airplane.

Loud bang, and electrical smell and smoke filled the cabin. The pilot exited the aircraft FIRST followed by rest of the crew, except one flight attendant, all while the passengers were still in their seats with no announcement made to evacuate the aircraft.

“One (Stewardess) ran into the cockpit to tell the captain. Then as soon as a stewardess opened the front door the captain ran straight off, he was just gone. He was first off the plane. You’ve never seen anything like it, if we weren’t so frightened it would have been complete comedy. His door opened then the side door opened and bang – he was just gone. Then all his crew ran off after him and left us all. There was only one stewardess left on the plane and you could see the fear on her face.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflying.com/pilot-leaves-plan-loud-bang-vueling-a320/amp/

Last edited 4 months ago by Mike B
Hack Stone

Found video of the incident posted on Youtube.