Better know a VoteVets DIARIST**: Jim Starowicz, he loves the ladies and making crappy films

| June 30, 2009

** OK, I have changed to Diarist per request from Lurker.  I remain unconvinced that VV doesn’t maintain control over the postings there, but at the least I got to a login screen….not sure exactly how germane such a distinction is, but in fairness thought I should update.

OK, so in the past I did a piece on Jon Soltz entitled “Just Making $hit up!“.  (as an aside, if you do a search on “Jon Soltz DA Form 2404” TAH is the first to come up.)

Then I talked about some of their phonies, like Duncan and Josh Lansdale, in my piece “Embracing the Phony and the Farcical: The VoteVets story“.

Yesterday I was just sort of all over the place.  Today we turn our attention to VoteVets diarist Jim Starowicz. Here is Jim and his Bio: jim

USN ’67-’71 GMG3 Vietnam In-Country ’70-’71 Member: Veterans For Peace, Chapter 150, as well as other Veterans and Pro-Peace Groups. Also Activist in other Area’s, Questioning Policies that only Benefit the Few, Supporting Policies that Benefit the Many and Move Us Forward as a Better Nation and World! Politics: Registered Independant Profession: Carpenter and Multi-Tradesman

My favorite though wasn’t that bio, but this one where he was named the “boomer of the month” for September 1999.

Love the Ladies, especially the ones who don’t play Any Games, are Honest with themselves first and with others…Vietnam Vet, Ran Armory Naval HeadQuarters Saigon and Rode Rivers on PRB’s.

Do tell me more. Did you ever work with Special Ops types?

Also worked with the Seals as they had an Amory in same Compound! Served 4yrs, in the Navy Came out a GunnersMate 2nd Class. 1st year Merridian Naval Air Station,1 1/2yrs. Rodman Naval Station Panama Canal Zone. Naval SERE Training Coronado Calif. Then In Country Vietnam!!!

The “Amory” thing threw me for a loop, so I looked it up on Urban Dictionary, and apparently an Amory is “a word to describe a mixed-nationality person who spends a lot of money per week. Most are known to eat a lot of kimchi and listen to the METAL genre of music frequently.” So there you have it.

Anyway, when not blogging for VoteVets, Jim has his own blog entitled “‘Imagine’ A World Of Peace,Understanding,Tolerance“. Jonn has actually linked there before when Jim was pontificating about “Fragging” and the Iraq and Viet Nam meme going around.

Jim likes to make movies, like this one honoring Flag Day by ridiculing anyone who puts out that flag. “Old Glory was pimped out into some kinda two bit whore.”

 

Jim also wrote up the “Declaration of Impeachment, Veterans for Peace” apparently, or at least spent a great deal of time posting it all over the internet.

We, therefore…do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People…solemnly publish and declare, That these…Free and Independent (People)…are Absolved from all Allegiance to the (Bush Administration), and that all political connection between them and (this Administration), is and ought to be totally dissolved…And for the support of this Declaration…we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

Honestly, half of the time I have no clue what he is talking about, like this one:

These last years only enhanced, greatly, the already growing hatreds from our past failed foreign policies in meddling in their countries, resources, and politics. They have greatly increased the numbers of those we label as al Qaeda or Taliban and especially the new 21st century label, for all who oppose us and our actions, similar to theirs, “Terrorist”, as we wage our Terror! Only ours is High Tech terror,, with greater destruction and death, theirs low tech, so ours is righteous, it cost more, and well we’re the supreme power and leader of freedom? and democracy?!! “God Bless America”?!!

The point of that is to praise some piece by Gordon Duff of Veterans Today wherein he (Duff Guy) espoused crackpot 9/11 conspiracy nonsense:

Why would 9/11 be covered up if there wasn’t some reason? Our military and intelligence community is filled with people who have gone public about 9/11. Few questions were answered and it was just too convenient, falling right into the middle of a plan we now know for certain was designed to create a reason to invade Iraq. Only cowards refuse to demand answers.

So, anyway, everyone say hello to Jim Staro, VoteVets Blogger, member of Veterans for Peace, possible truther, and maker of bad videos.

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Old Tanker

Boomer of the month? I’m picturing John Candy aka Pvt. “Ox” Oxenburger from Stripes on the cover of Tiger Beat magazine…”Love the ladies……”

lurker

A question regarding internet terminology: A blog creates a space for diaries (I’m thinking like DailyKos, RedState, etc). The diaries are posted on the blog front page off to the side (not part of the main blog content). To post a diary, you need an account, which is given out to anyone with a user name and email address. Is it accurate to call the diarist a “blogger” for the site or to say that his diaries represent the position of the blog contributors or sponsors? I mainly bring this up because your post above does this, and it doesn’t make sense to me. While I’m sure there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of VoteVets, it seems to me that sites which provide an open forum shouldn’t be penalized for attracting a weirdo or two.

lurker

I don’t know much about Duncan, but wasn’t the allegation that he was using his vet image to fraudulently collect money (I imagine in violation of various civil and criminal laws)? Surely it’s one thing to censor mere opinion and another to prevent your site from being employed as a tool to advance a wrongful enterprise?

I think your proposed experiment would resolve the issue.

OldTrooper

What is with these clowns? He came in contact with SEALS? Ok; so what? I worked with 1/75 Rangers; so what? So did the 84th Trans. I had the opportunity to work with the SAS, too. Does that make me some sort of Billy Badass? Does that give me bona fides that make me more knowledgeable than the next guy?

Why do they always have to embellish on their service? If you can’t take pride in your job in the military, maybe you shouldn’t mention you were in, then. Everyone had a job to do and not everyone could be a Ranger, SEAL, or Green Beret.

Maybe that’s the case with this guy; maybe he’s so misereable about his own service that he joined a group that works to make others feel just as bad about their own service?

Airforce_5_O

I gaurded a hanger once that housed SEAL’s in Panama, do I qualify as black ops?!

UpNorth

AF, lmao. I walked past some paratroopers training at Camp Grayling once, and while in Germany, I shook hands with a SF sergeant, do I qualify too? Wonder if the assclown “rode the rivers” on a Patrol Boat, River, or on the Powder River Basin, PRB.

S6R

Anyone else think he looks eerily like The Sniper?

Debbie Clark

Well, in keeping in the spirit of things here, I once helped to interview, one by one, all the Rangers who were deployed to Granada back in 1983, after they got back. I’m sure that was very important…whatever it was about….

Seriously, I really think you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel on all this…though, of course, it does provide high entertainment on both sides. 🙂 I’m just wondering when you’re going to do a terrible expose on me. With just a little effort, I’m sure you could find a wealth of material. Crappy videos? Wow…should I post links or just wait until you find them? LOL…

Debbie Clark

On second thought, correction re. the above: It was only the Rangers from Hunter Army Airfield that I helped to interview one by one, not all of them.

skye

Hmmm…I was once photographed with a SEAL and spent a day exploring a Mark V with SWCC ..do these actions qualify me to work for CTU?

TSO

Debbie, I put you in the Army Sergeant category. I don’t view you as malevolent, in fact, just the opposite. The distinction I make is a tight one, and I have been wrong before, like AS the first few times, and to a much lesser extent with Alex Horton as well. The difference with this guy is he goes WAY WAY WAY out of his way to use phrases like “Chickenhawk” and similiar charges. The usually invites a like behavior from me. But, while I disagree with you politically, I’ve never felt you were here necessarily baiting us, or rooting for us to fail to make a point or anything similar. I was going to give Jim a pass until the 9/11 nonsense and the video. My dad is a liberal, and was not pleased with me going to war. But when I brought him back a US flag from overseas, he put it up proudly. Because he loves the country, despite whatever faults he might find. Jim views people like that in a light I simply cannot (and will not) accept. I believe in my country, and it’s not a “right or wrong” thing as much as despite any minor faults it might have.

Make sense?

Debbie Clark

Yes, it does make sense and I am with you, even though I’m sure there is much we disagree on. At the end of the day when I’ve said my piece, I’m going to still be in the same place from which I started, which is still flying the American flag and standing by those who serve, beginning with my own family…even if it did take me a while, and still does sometimes, to stop cringing. I’m acutely aware that the same is not true of many of my associates.

Old Tanker

I once blew a seal…uh, in my car….I mean the engine, the er, rear main…..oh hell, that just ain’t right is it?

OldTrooper

Debbie: You and I were there at the same time (HAAF), probably ran into each other at the PX.

As for your other statement: You’ve got movies!? Really!? I’ll get the popcorn!

Matt

I once shook hands with Sen Bob Dole. Does that make me a senator?

Debbie Clark

Okay, OldTrooper, got the popcorn ready? Here is a video I made of excerpts of a press conference at “Camp Democracy” in Washington DC in September 2006 when, under the able leadership of the infamous Geoff Millard, several of our Iraq veterans got arrested at the Pentagon (and almost the rest of us, too), which also includes some brief photographs and video clips from my own camera as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaaeCwfwKqs The excerpted press conference footage on that video was taken from a video I had taken of the entire press conference (albeit on someone else’s camera), which can be found here in its entirety: http://tinyurl.com/lj8orb From that same time period, I had made another video of Camp Democracy (a month-long carnival-like action in Washington DC), which was a combination of photographs I took during that particular trip to Washington DC, including some photos from a little side trip I took to the Watergate building to visit the Libertarian Party national headquarters as well as brief clips of some other video I shot, such as of a speech Kevin Benderman gave at a church that weekend after he got out of prison for not redeploying to Iraq, as well as some additional video clips and photos from the aforementioned press conference. I actually had a lot of nice compliments on that video, which I considered to be a work of art 🙂 and it was on both YouTube as well as my Atlanta Veterans For Peace website for a long time. Unfortunately, however, it is no longer available online…primarily due to the fact that I had apparently illegally used Joe Cocker’s song, “With a Little Help From My Friends” as background music for the video. YouTube allowed the video to remain on its website, but muted the sound so you couldn’t hear it. I only discovered this a few weeks ago at which time I simply removed the video from YouTube. The other primary place it was uploaded – and linked to from several websites (including, originally, from Jim Starowicz’s website) was my former Atlanta chapter Veterans For Peace website which… Read more »

Debbie Clark

Hey, I just shot the video; I didn’t do an investigation…LOL…

Debbie Clark

LOL…I didn’t misspell his name on purpose. I just didn’t realize it at the time and by the time I did, it was just too much trouble to correct it.

I know you’re highly critical of Geoff Millard; nonethless, there are a number of things I admire about him. I don’t claim he’s without fault, of course. No one is.

Debbie Clark

I’ve heard something about this before – from other IVAW members, actually. I will listen to the interview (that is my friend Scott Horton interviewing him, btw). That will have to wait until a little later as I am behind schedule right now.

I am only saying that there are things about Geoff Millard that I admire; I am not by any means saying that he should not be held accountable for lying or for stolen valor.

OldTrooper

Thanks for the links, Debbie.

As for HAAF: No, I wasn’t a Ranger; but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

I was in Combat Aviation (Cobra/Apache). Our unit had several guys in it that had gotten out of the Rangers and came to our unit, because other than us and the Rangers, there was only 1 other combat unit on Hunter. We did close air support for the Rangers as well as 24th ID and 18th Abn Corps.

Debbie Clark

Oh, how interesting, OldTrooper. Well, if you did close air support for the Rangers, did you hear anything about any missing weapons when the Rangers went to Granada?

I don’t know a thing about aviation myself, though my son-in-law does. He is learning to fly helicopters right now.

OldTrooper

What weapons? I doan no nothing about no stinking weapons!!!!

I’ll just say that anything I did hear, was rumor. 🙂

Debbie Clark

Ah-ha!! So you did know…and all those Rangers who sat there and told me they didn’t know anything were probably telling me a fib, too…

Debbie Clark

Disclaimer: The foregoing comment by myself was merely a feeble attempt at humor and perspective and was in no manner a part of any ongoing investigation. I am only an errant former CID agent, as I hope is obvious, and have not been an active duty CID agent for almost 25 years. I do not, nor did I ever, know anything about the investigation referred to above, have no knowledge of the results of that investigation, and have no actual interest, personal or professional, in uncovering the facts of that investigation. I apologize for any confusion or alarm that my comment may have caused and hope that you will simply consider the source. 😀

OldTrooper

Lol!!! That’s ok, Debbie, I got that it was humor. Actually, it was pretty damn funny.

As for your disclaimer: Now that’s funny. I don’t care who ya are; that’s funny right there. 🙂

Debbie Clark

All righty-then… 🙂

Okay, get your popcorn ready again, here is my infamous Camp Democracy video, no longer available on YouTube due to the unauthorized sound track, now temporarily uploaded to motionbox.com for your 4th of July entertainment:

http://www.motionbox.com/videos/7a9dd9b01b10e3caf5/

I will be removing the video again later on since I’ve already been in trouble once over using Joe Cocker’s song in it, but I didn’t see any harm in putting it there temporarily as the vehicle for showing a home movie, so to speak… (I put it there after a failed attempt to upload it to my blog, which wouldn’t work, and after my previous experience with YouTube, did not wish to contact Blogspot to see what the problem was…)

This video is not all new material — it contains excerpted pics and clips from the material on previous posted links and combined with other material not previously used.

Several of the people in the video are no longer among the living – Dave Cline (former prez of VFP National), Al Zappala (co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace), and the brother of Elliot Adams, current VFP National prez, a really nice guy whose name slips my mind at the moment.

I remember Dave Cline and Al Zappala both saw the video when I first made it and emailed me to tell me that they liked it, so I’m rather sentimentally attached to the video, even though it is admittedly a little crazy…

Also, I meant to mention, to TSO, I agree with you on the relevance of time, place, manner restrictions regarding the 1st Amendment, but what I honor here is the impulse and respect for the US Constitution in principle that was expressed so strongly by Geoff Millard and others, not the legal technicalities concerning its application.

Well, let me know whatcha think of my creative talents… 😀