Racist revisionist history idiot now says Hiroshima bombing was to show a return on the investment

| November 16, 2021

Nikole Hanna-Jones of the 1619 Project

You might remember this lady as being part of the 1619 Project, which makes the argument that literally everything in American history is racist, has always been racist, and apparently will always be racist. To prove her point, they rewrite history. Consider that the country is so racist currently that this black woman is making a lot of money from calling white people racist.

You’ll probably remember her as well from last summer. She was offered a job teaching at her alma mater the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Because she’s an entitled radical leftist, she demanded immediate tenure. There was much public outcry. She was initially denied her demand, but then they gave in. In gratitude, she declined the offer and went to work for Howard University.

Now, Ms. Hanna-Jones is pushing her complete and utter lack of understanding of history up to more modern times. She’s not spoken about the final death blows we gave to the Imperial Japanese at the end of World War II. The historical record is clear, the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were carried out to bring an end to the war without making millions of casualties out of Allied servicemen.

National Review has the story on Hanna-Jones’ latest;

We’ve now been greeted with yet another rendition of fake history. This time, it is purveyed by two of the most prominent and persistent fakers: Nikole Hannah-Jones of the 1619 Project and Howard Zinn, author of the most popular (and misleading) history textbook, A People’s History of the United States.

The misrepresentations, distortions, and outright falsifications of history contained in the 1619 Project have been carefully exposed elsewhere. Nonetheless, Ms. Hannah-Jones recently decided to extend her streak from the history of slavery to the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II. She posted this tweet, which has since been deleted:

They [the federal government] dropped the bomb when they knew surrender was coming because they’d spent all this money developing it and to prove it was worth it. Propaganda is not history, my friend.

It’s not hard to identify where she got this counterfactual account of Hiroshima; indeed, it comes from Howard Zinn, who wrote in his People’s History that “the Japanese had begun talking of surrender a year before this” but the Americans insisted on unconditional surrender, which made peace impossible. “Why did the United States not take that small step to save both American and Japanese lives? Was it because too much money and effort had been invested in the atomic bomb not to drop it?,” Zinn pondered.

So much for propaganda versus history. It’s now generally accepted by everyone who knows anything about the subject — including Japanese historians — that the key reason for using the atomic bomb was not racist bloodlust (as the Smithsonian’s abortive Enola Gay exhibit tried to insinuate a few years ago), or (as in another leftist tract, Gar Alperovitz’s Atomic Diplomacy) a cynical desire to impress Stalin and the Soviet Union with our newfound nuclear prowess, but rather an overwhelming concern about the staggering cost in casualties a U.S. invasion of Japan would incur — not to mention Japanese deaths. At a White House meeting on June 18, 1945, a very worried President Truman learned that the man who was to head the invasion of the island of Kyushu, General Douglas MacArthur, estimated that U.S. casualties would approach 120,000 in the first 90 days. The navy’s overall estimate ran to a quarter-million casualties overall — with the battle for Honshu and Tokyo, the capital, still to come.

More at the source if you want the history lesson, though I imagine there are few here who need it.

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SFC D

Well… we DID get our money’s worth out of it.

AW1Ed

I’m sure also unmentioned is the fact the two bombs saved millions of Japanese, soldiers and citizens, lives as well.

It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it.
-Robert E. Lee

Amateur Historian

I remember reading that the Japanese government at the time was training their civilians to launch multiple banzai charges on the potential US landing zones, when and if we did decide to show. Also,they were repeatedly told by same government that death would be preferable to the treatment they would receive at the hands of US GIs (Case in point: some civilians during the Okinawa Campaign killing themselves if they could not or would not fight, but who otherwise bought their goverment’s propaganda).

Though my reading of this info was awhile ago, so please let me know if I’m off the mark a little…or a lot. 🙂

Poetrooper

Regarding the treatment the Japanese citizenry received from GI’s, here’s an interesting insight:

Back in 1966, young SSGT Poe attended a John Wayne movie, “Sands of Iwo Jima” at a large downtown Tokyo theater with a pretty Japanese companion.

Prior to the movie’s start, the packed audience was quiet and subdued and young Poe was questioning the wisdom of being the sole, visible American among several hundred Japanese, while viewing a movie that was clearly not going to paint their country’s forces in a positive light.

He needn’t have worried. As soon as big ol’ badass, SGT John Stryker, began slaughtering Japanese soldiers on Tarawa, the audience erupted in loud cheers and continued to do so throughout the movie, every time Stryker and his Marines killed more of their countrymen.

Poe’s fetching, almond-eyed date, herself recently divorced from an American soldier, was highly amused at his astonishment, assuring him that John Wayne was hugely popular in Japan and that this pro-American attitude prevailed in those areas where we’d had a large occupational presence.

Why? Because the American occupiers treated the Japanese people far better than the wartime Japanese government ever had. And as the booming Japanese economy demonstrated, the American conquest of that country was the best thing that could have happened to it.

rgr1480

My mother-in-law and her sister both were skilled in naginata (halberd) fencing — I think 2nd level at the time. Anyway, they then had to drill with “ao-dake yari” green bamboo spears. They were taught to thrust skyward to impale American paratroopers between the legs.

My swordsmanship teacher, Nakamura Taizaburo, was a fencing master in the Imperial Japanese Army. Near the conclusion of the war he was sent from Manchuria back to Japan to teach these spear-arts (based from jukendo — bayonet fencing) to school girls. Yes, they were getting ready for us.

Mother-in-law got tired of always hearing how they were atomic bombed… she would retort to those by saying, “Well, we started the war!”

I shall *never* go to the Hiroshima memorial … though I might just go to Hiroshima to take photos of the remaining building.

As we used to say….
“Made in America, tested in Japan.”

No tears for those crybabies.

Here’s an interesting interview: “How Much Millennials in Japan Know about World War II”

Amateur Historian

I remember watching a YouTube video where WW2 was glossed over in the Japanese history books, so my generational counterparts in Japan knowing as much as my millennial countrymen is not too surprising.

Twist

My brother married a Japanese woman when he was stationed in Japan with the Navy. She is highly educated and spoke several languages. The first time she had ever even heard about the Rape of Nanking was when she moved to the States with my brother.

USMC Steve

If you talk to any pacific war veterans, regardless of Army or Marine, they were prepared to go ashore and kill everything that did not look like them. Weapons had to be checked before the landing force went ashore to ensure no one just started whacking Japanese once on dry land.

E4 Mafia '83-'87

What she DOESN’T know I could just about squeeze into the Grand Canyon.

Amateur Historian

For me, it’s the Mariana Trench.

E4 Mafia '83-'87

I guess saving 1,000,000 American lives and 10,000,000 Japanese lives was NOT something she wanted to do.
My Grandfather was training with the new PB4Y-2 Privateer (Navy B-24) when the war ended.
Needless to say after 18 months in the South Pacific, he was glad they dropped The Bomb.

USMCMSgt (Ret)

Reminds me of a gallows humor joke…

ChipNASA

Simpson’s nailed it.
WAY Ahead of their time.
Nuke this Whale.

USMCMSgt (Ret)

Q: “Why is it difficult to break up with a Japanese girl?”

A: “Because you have to drop the bomb twice before she gets the message.”

ChipNASA

This is singular as opposed to the nukes…

Sapper3307

USMCMSgt (Ret)

I knew someone here would get it.

akpual

Looks like a paricipant in the Ronald McDonald look alike contest.

rgr1480

In that small thumbnail image I thought she looked like Bozo the Clown

TopGoz

I have two observations from the picture:
1. Ms Hanna-Jones is a fair-skinned black (“African-American”).
2. She is sporting red hair – the color associated with the very fair-skinned people of the northern British Isles.

Therefore, Ms Hanna-Jones is culturally-appropriating the outward physical appearance of a Caucasian in order to benefit from her perception of white privilege. In other words, she’s a hypocrite.

But you probably already knew that.

Some of you may call me raaacciiist for making the observation. Whooptyfrickin-do.

TopGoz

Mk 4:24: “By your standard of measure it will be measured to you; and more will be given you besides.”

To be clear, I do not agree with the concepts of cultural appropriation, white privilege, or any other such leftist claptrap. But she should be held to her own standard.

ChipNASA

Shut Up Ms. Honkey/Cracker.

Green Thumb

Rachel Dolezal’s sister.

NR Pax

She’s stealing Raggedy Anne’s look.

AW1 Rod

Mark Levin devotes a good bit of ink to this dumb cunt and the 1619 Project in American Marxism.

Martinjmpr

There actually was a “political” consideration that factored into the dropping of the bombs, but it wasn’t what some of the lefties are saying.

Truman knew that if he decided against using the bombs, and went ahead with Operations Olympic and Coronet (sub-operations under the overall Operation Downfall, the invasion of the Japanese home islands) and we suffered the million-plus casualties that were expected, he would be excoriated for NOT using the weapon to end the war.

And BTW I think he was spot on in that calculation. Truman (every Republican’s favorite Democrat in the same way that Teddy Roosevelt is every Democrat’s favorite Republican) had a shrewd sense of the realities of politics, probably because of all the time he spent in the Democratic “machine” politics of Kansas City. He made the hard calls when he knew he had to.

Martinjmpr

I think it’s very difficult to look from our viewpoint 75+ years in the future and understand just how sick of the war everyone in America (not to mention the rest of the world) was.

The Japanese KNEW they were defeated, KNEW they couldn’t win, KNEW that there was nothing they could do to prevent the fall of their nation.

And yet, the one thing they COULD do was inflict suffering on both the Allies and their own people.

The bombs were the shock that was needed to finally break the spirit of the Japanese government (and even then, their generals tried to mount a last-minute coup to keep the war going.)

I’ll feel bad for the innocent Japanese who were killed or maimed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki as soon as I get done feeling bad for all the millions of Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Filipinos, Thais, Indonesians, Burmese, Malaysians, New Guineans, and Pacific Islanders (I probably left some out) who were killed, maimed, tortured, displaced, raped, enslaved and otherwise harmed by the Imperial Japanese war machine.

Or, in the words of a t-shirt I saw for sale at Osan Air Base in 1990 (when the whole Enola Gay controversy was in full brew), “Don’t start a war if you can’t take a joke.”

rgr769

You also need to first feel sorry for the captured Allied soldiers, sailors, and civilians who suffered the same war crime atrocities. The Japanese war crimes were legion because they considered everyone who wasn’t Japanese non-human, just like the Nazis considered the Jews and other ethnicities and races sub-human.

MCPO USN

Let’s not forget that the Japanese knew that if everyone fought to the death, no one would be around to know the shame or dishonor of losing the war or point fingers at all the bad decision makers. In their eyes the only honorable way out was to let everyone die.

11B-Mailclerk

We never did convince the Imperial Japanese Military to surrender, nor the people of Imperial Japan to surrender.

We convinced the Emperor of Japan to surrender.

Had he not been persuaded to “endure the unendurable” and to order his subjects to do so, that war would have ground on for decades, genocidally.

A coterie of hardcores almost deposed Emperor Hirohito, when they learned of his decision and his actions to implement surrender. Happenstance of a bomber hitting the local power plant disrupted the coup, just in time.

Idiots who fail to recognize that reality are simply yet another part of the Marxist “defeat and destroy the USA”.

The MoonBat referenced in the above article is simply yet another dysfunctional “useful idiot”, of which Lenin was so rightly contemptuous. Their ilk endlessly doing the bidding of that mass murdering communal idiocy and it’s hostile foreign powers. Why, we may even hear such creatures on this forum, from time to time.

Amateur Historian

Isn’t usually the useful idiots who are the first ones to be lined up against the wall when the Commie victory is complete?

A Proud Infidel®™

Yep, disposed of en masse as soon as they’re no longer deemed useful just like what Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others did!

Sgt K

Just as bad is this new revisionist history “theorem” that Japan was going to surrender and Truman didn’t need to drop on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Also, bs that the Japanese KNEW Russia would be invading shortly. Complete horseshit but the useful idiots need to be fed something. Flat earthers, Holocaust deniers, and Moon Landing blah, blah, blah. Troglodytes.

rgr769

You are insulting troglodytes everwhere. They are Proglodytes.

MustangCryppie

Oh! I like that! Consider it stolen.

rgr769

Just another hate America scrunt. Who gave this Klowne a podium to regurgitate her Progtard lies? She musta been reading Howard Zinn’s propaganda lies about American history. Or, should that be “herstory.”

A Proud Infidel®™

“Who gave this Klowne a podium to regurgitate her Progtard lies?”

The likes of Soros, Bloomberg and other multibillionaire proglodytes.

MCPO USN

My question is who awarded this “thing” any sort of college degree with the screwed up head she has on her shoulders?

David

Notre Dame and UNC- Chapel Hill.

A Proud Infidel®™

Apparently all one has to do to get a College Degree in many places is to merely pledge yourself to and regurgitate the leftwing propaganda that’s fed to young minds there, that and if you’re the right color, ethnicity or bloodline you almost get a degree handed to you, just my honest opinion.

President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal B Woodman Domestic Violent Extremist SuperStraight

Almost makes me wish that history WAS revised, in that Truman DID authorize the initial invasion of Japan, with Nikole Hanna-Jones’ ancestors being killed in the initial wave. THEN Truman authorized dropping the bomb, the war stops, and WE don’t have to be irritated by this over-educated, under-intelligent bint’s blathering.

KoB

Man, I just had to walk away for awhile. Between the tiktok, the (lack of) Joy, and reading thru 4 different regional news feeds, this skrunt pops up. Wholey Crap no cheese on her cracker. Don’t even know where to start, so I’ll just say this:

Bitch, you think Blacks have it so bad here and you want to blame someone for their ills, then point the finger at the Blacks that sold the Blacks to other Blacks that in turn sold them to the A-Rabs, who then sold them all over the world. And you, you wanna be a red headed white gyrl, did ya ever think why there weren’t any blacks in Oriental Countries? That’s because any Black males that were sold in the Orient were castrated before shipment and any Black females that were impregnated by Oriental Males had their babies executed immediately…to keep the Oriental Race pure. FFS!

MLK Jr. weeps

A Proud Infidel®™

THE DUMB BITCH conveniently forgets that chattel slavery is still practiced in Africa today in places like Libya and Sudan to name a couple, but in her propaganda ALL slavery is the White race’s fault and she’s instructed to screech it.

USMCMSgt (Ret)

If you have time, watch this:

https://youtu.be/VWrfjUzYvPo

Thomas Sowell nails it.

rgr769

There is also the consideration that about ten million Japanese military and civilians would have been wounded or killed, since the plan was for everyone who could wield some kind of a weapon would fight to the death. Indeed, the government was making bamboo spears for the civilian populace. But these facts are lost on Progs like Larsie, who live in a parallel universe with an entirely different history.

I guess this red-haired klown woman has never heard the story of the Emperor’s palace servants who were beaten by the Imperial Army fanatics trying to find the record of the Emperor telling the people that Japan would be surrendering because of those atomic bombs and the fear that the Japanese people and nation would be annihilated by more bombs if they didn’t surrender.

Poetrooper

As Churchill famously noted, “History is written by the victors.”

In 21st Century America it is being written by a bunch of losers…

ChipNASA

“Attempted”….Here, you dropped something
😀

nobunny

Ahhhh Chip stepped on my transmission. Dude…

nobunny

^^^ This. ^^^

USMCMSgt (Ret)

(Word…)

David

She reminds me of Ike’s statement about bringing camera crews into Dachau and other camps…”because if we don’t, 50 years from now some sonovabitch will say this never happened.”

A Proud Infidel®™

And despite it being recorded, we have idiot revisionists saying it didn’t happen, much like the ones who will tell you that the Lunar Landings were faked and “Pro Wrestling” is for real.

SFC D

Wrestling isn’t real? 😢

Devtun

I find your lack of faith disturbing.🥺

-Darth Vader-

Carlton

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

WOW

Hatchet

This disgusting waste-of-skin is THE walking-talking version of Terry Pratchett’s quote “ The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head”. Doesn’t anger me that she’s espousing LIES and being paid for it – plenty doing that, these days – it does anger me that a bunch of morons just might believe what she’s saying could be construed as actual historical Truth. Can’t imagine being trapped in such a tiny mind. At the end of the day, she’s just another boring, babbling Revisionist whore..

Forest Bondurant

“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” – Booker T. Washington

(Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Don Lemon also fall into this category of race baiters…)

irongrampa

There are times when I regret ensuring the privilege of people like Zinn to be assholes that no one can stand.

Some things are just a waste of time and effort.

SgtBob

In “The Rape of Nanking,” Iris Chang points out in advance for revisionists, the Japanese Imperial Army killed more Chinese in that city than did both US bombs in total.

A Proud Infidel®™

There is a book titled “The Knights of Bushido” which chronicles Japanese War Crimes during WWII and reading it from cover to cover will make one wish that we used at least three A-Bombs on them. Not just the Rape of Nanking, their atrocities in the Philippines, The Dutch West Indies, French Indochina, the atrocities of Unit 731,…

Sapper3307

Lars moms go out in public with hair?

Anonymous

Call me rude, but I can’t help but think of Ronald McDonald when I see that picture.

Sapper3307

Or Howdy Doody if we go way back.

Carlton

Mz PotatoHead ain’t got no neck.

Roh-Dog

So… the devices where dropped to prove that they work?

So I guess that radioactive glass spot where Trinity Test Shot took place doesn’t exist.

And Stalin already knew…

So it was a bargaining chip?

Has this clown read a history book or understand,well, anything?

rgr769

She is just another brainwashed low IQ Proglodyte. Progs believe the bullshit they believe because it is what they want to believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Just ask the mendacious mollusk; you can’t dissuade him from any of the bogus bullshit he believes; and I bet he has a higher IQ than the 85 of the Klowne.

Roh-Dog

I wish they’d keep their realities to themselves. Crap like this is blowing out the bourbon budget here at Camp Roh-Dog.

Dr Baker

Blacks like this sure make it incredibly hard to not be racist against them. I grew up in metro Detroit so I know EXACTLY how her fellow blacks act. They deserve any racism they get.

A Proud Infidel®™

I’ve been in nearly every major US City during my days as a trucker and I often concur.

USMCMSgt (Ret)

WRT to the number of Purple Hearts manufactured in anticipation of the invasion of the Japanese mainland, the surplus of them continue to be awarded to this day.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/176762

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Why is that a bad thing?

We spent a lot of money finding a way to end the war and end it we did.

Seems like a reasonable ROI under most circumstances.

Product research and development, prototype construction, revisions, new prototypes, final sign off and then release of deliverables seems a fairly standard operating procedure for any manufacturing process…

26Limabeans

I made a career out of working on some pretty cool weapons that
most here would recognize but alas I should not say.
As you state the R&D, continuing upgrades and manufacturing cost
not only the companies but our taxpayer citizens as well.
And let’s not forget the many accidental injuries that occured.
Yeah, I made a lot of money in my chosen career but I have no regrets
about the nature of the work and I was glad to be able to help my
country stay free from harm. A good investment for all of us indeed.

Carrot Top should be thankful she is free to speak and get paid for it.

Martinjmpr

And here’s another point:

In these days where multiple countries have nuclear weapons, and the use of nukes is a “red line” that no country wants to cross (lest their opponents retaliate in kind), all the hand wringing over “do we use it or don’t we?” is relevant.

BUT, in WWII when the USA was the only country that had nuclear weapons, when the war had dragged on for years and when both sides had already inflicted massive civilian casualties with conventional bombing (a fact that the anti-nuke pearl clutchers seem to have forgotten), the nuclear weapons were just another tool in the toolbox for ending the war.

The March 9 – 10 1945 firebombing raids on Tokyo killed almost as many Japanese as the A-bombs did.

And the Rape of Nanking (300,000 dead) has already been mentioned.

General Sherman famously said “war is all hell” and indeed it is. But the only thing worse than ending a war with a terrible weapon is letting the war drag on and letting more and more people die because of it.

Martinjmpr

OK I thought I was done but one more thing to mention: Enriching uranium and making plutonium are both enormously complex and time consuming tasks.

I read one estimate that said that during the war years, 10% of all electric power generated in the US went to the enrichment of uranium. Think about how much power that was.

And yet, even though the Manhattan Project started in 1942, by the end of the war, 3 years later, there was enough enriched uranium and weapons grade plutonium to make 4 weapons: The first one that was exploded at Trinity in New Mexico, Fat Man and Little Boy, and one more. To manufacture more plutonium for another weapon would have taken 6 months or more.

The reason I mention that is that some critics of Truman’s decision to use the bomb say he should have dropped it on an unoccupied island as a demonstration or a show of force against the Japanese, along with a threat to destroy multiple Japanese cities if the Japanese didn’t surrender.

In reality, though, that would have been a bluff. And what if the Japanese had called that bluff? We would have had two weapons left, and no more for MONTHS. The war would certainly have dragged on into 1946 at the very least. Hundreds of thousands (if not millions) more people would have died.

Deckie

I read somewhere that one estimate was the war would have dragged on into 1947-48.

“Golden Gate in ’48… back to the Bread Line in ’49.”

Deckie

The men and women who got the job done in 1945 returned home and tried their best to resume normal lives.

None of my uncles or grandfathers did any of the finger pointing or blaming and virtue signaling these idiots (who were not even there or alive at the time) attempt to do 75+ years later.

To this day in Eastern Europe the young and old in many villages still celebrate VE Day as a holiday and show gratitude that they were liberated from the grip of Nazism and enslavement. Here in the U.S. we have educators and students alike who paint the Enola Gay pilots as war criminals and question actions taken to end the most horrific conflict in human history, a conflict we initially sought to avoid involvement in.

Didn’t they manufacture so many Purple Heart medals for Downfall that they were still issuing them into the 2000’s?

SFC D

My dad flew on bomber crews from 1941 to 1968. Everything from B-17’s as an enlisted gunner/roadioman to a LtCol electronics warfare officer on B-52’s. Served in WW2, Korea, and VietNam. Never expressed any remorse, never doubted the mission, never blamed any President. Never made a big deal of his service, either. I miss that guy. Just a quiet professional that did his job and then moved on.

26Limabeans

My dad was a gunner/togglier in a B17G.
No regrets ever expressed to me. Just pride.

SteeleI

A few points: As pointed out earlier, the bombs were used to avoid the unbelievable carnage of Operation Downfall. The notion that the Japanese were about to surrender anyway when we hit Hiroshima is refuted by the fact that IT TOOK A SECOND BOMB. How determined were the Japanese to fight on? Read the account of Hiroo Onada who surrendered in 1974. Yes, 1974. When asked why he didn’t believe the Tokyo newspapers that said Japan lost the war, he said they were obviously fake- if Japan had lost the war there would be no Tokyo newspapers because everyone would have died defending the home islands. Did we use the bomb to intimidate the Soviets? Of course we did. Stalin had an absolutely huge army occupying all of Eastern Europe and half of Germany. There was absolutely no reason to believe he would stop where he was. Finally, put yourself in the mind of Harry Truman, himself a WWI veteran. He had not only seen that up close, but also what the Nazis did to the Jews, what Stalin did to his own people, and what Japan did all over Asia. He knew that the world needed to see a cataclysmic show of power. There is a concept called Status Quo Ante Bellum, which means to go back to the way things were before the war. Would that have worked in WWII? Of course not. The Allies new from experience they needed to dictate terms. This world that America built… Read more »

26Limabeans

“look up the firebombing of Tokyo”

Or Dresden.