Another echo of Saigon seen in Kabul
This photo shows the interior of a US Air Force C-17 (possibly the one that I posted video of taxiing through a crowd with men clinging to the side as it took off, falling to their deaths). The aircraft is nominally designed to hold 150 souls at max, but they shoehorned 640 inside.
This is one of many repeats from the Fall of Saigon in 1975. Here’s a news story from 1975 about the last flight out of Da Nang;
The 727-100 carried a normal passenger capacity of 125 and they took on 268 people in the passenger cabin and another 60 in the cargo holds.
The photo of the C-17 overloaded with desperate souls is the story of the last C-130 to leave Vietnam. A South Vietnamese Air Force plane, which normally carries fewer than 100 people, was loaded with an amazing 452 people, 32 in the cockpit alone! If you’ve ever been on a full C-130 you know it’s nuts to butts. I can’t imagine cramming four and a half times as many people in. It’s a testament to the aircrew and the venerable Hercules that it was able to take off and fly.
At least the Taliban are able to find some whimsy in their impressive conquest of a country defended by an army that’s “well-equipped—as well-equipped as any army in the world.” Here they are riding bumper cars with their rifles.
Remember, CNN tells us that “They’re just chanting, ‘Death to America,’ but they seem friendly at the same time,” Ward advised. “It’s utterly bizarre.” What’s bizarre is thinking people chanting for the death of your country are friendly.
Category: Afghanistan, Air Force, Biden, War Stories
Gotta wonder how many of those “refugees” are actually bad guys that will end up here, able to wreak havoc and spread terror and discontent.
All of them. If they were Americans, or had the appropriate mettle to become one, they’d do the honorable thing and die on the field of battle.
They had their chance. Leave them. Leave them ALL.
And anyone here that thinks these pu**ies should be given quarter, pack them into a C-17 and push them out at 800ft over Kabul, w/ or w/o a T-11.
Fk that whole place with a set of rusty hedge shears.
ANA:
They’re being brought to Texas and Wisconsin for processing. Many will slip through the cracks since I doubt many brought any papers with them. They also know they can hide behind a kid.
Just read last night that Ft. McCoy here in the Cheesehead State is going to be bringing in Afgans.
I remember years back when McCoy was used for the Cuban boat people.
Wonder if they are coming for the cheese?
Looks like most if not all are military aged males and no females. Priority should be given to females and children. The males should be left to fight for their freedom.
As it stands now, the 20th anniversary of 9/11 is 25 days away….and it is on a Saturday. I don’t know about you, but I plan on being buttoned up in my AO. I don’t have much hair left anymore, but what little I DO have is standing on end. I just feel like, SOMETHING is going to happen that day.
Dates and anniversaries are very important to the muzzies, I would not be surprised at some kind of “incident”. I’m not too concerned about security at the Cantina, but if I was in a metropolitan area, I’d be very wary.
Truth. I still reside outside a fairly large military base. I tend to maintain a fairly low profile, but forewarned is forearmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8699HdOKti8
1989
https://youtu.be/Q7VMSSkPV1g 2011
The song remains the same
Hopefully they will vet them when they get here. They’re gonna stash some of them at my old stomping ground Ft. McCoy WI. Probably in the same barracks that were used for the Cuban boat people and the VN evacuees before that. Nothing says love more than a bitter sub zero Wisconsin winter.
M48DAT, I remember a fair number of Cubans busted loose from their fenced in quarters and running around the base, even downrange on the firing ranges with the MP’s chasing them.
Could get interesting.
Rumor was there were a lot of people found in the razor wire the next day. Unaccompanied kids trying to get into the family pen, teens trying to escape, perverts and criminals trying to get to the kids pen etc etc.
Are y’all talking about the ones from the Mariel Boat Lift when Castro emptied his prisons and mental wards?
As expected, “Angry Cops” has a new video….
“Afghanistan Fire Sale! Everything Must Go!”
That guy cracks me up.
Biden really fucked this up.
And the fact that he is acting like he didn’t pisses me off.
Still better than the traitor clown he replaced.
DJT will never be homeless. He lives rent free in your spapos head.
Why don’t you give it a rest? You made a decent, on topic, agreeable comment, yet still had to go there. Seek help.
Focus, Commissar. Stay on track. The bad orange man is gone, he can’t hurt you anymore.
Now you can explain to me just exactly how selling out and abandoning thousands of American citizens in Afghanistan is not a traitorous act. Take your time, I’m a patient man.
I am tempted to engage with you on this but it is clear you are not interested in a good faith discussion.
Yes, this was a clusterfuck…but the State Department issues a public notice advising all Americans to leave immediately over 6 weeks ago.
Also, this withdrawal was the timeline Trump signed in nis “historic” treaty with the Taliban that required US forces withdraw by June, 2021.
A timeline announced and you fucking celebrated on this site last year.
A timeline every single American citizen in Afghanistan was aware of…
A timeline the Taliban were ready to exploit.
So,yes, we need to get Americans out…but they were not fucking abandoned.
Seems like you “engaged”
The temptation got to him. Victory!
What’s Biden’s plan for getting, on best estimates, 10K people out? Does anyone know?
He’s diligently working on it while finishing his vacation at Camp David.
While staring at a fake TV screen and wall from last March.
If tens of thousands of Americans *chose* to live in A’stan instead of the US and ignored warnings from the US gov’t. to leave, who are we to deny them their choice? I don’t feel any obligation to expend resources on their behalf. And just how is it ‘traitorous’ to allow those folks to enjoy their choice of residency? If you want to run with the bulls don’t expect me to jump in and distract the bull when it gets close to you.
No, Pedo Joe isn’t better than Trump. Hasn’t been, isn’t, never will be.
But, way down deep inside, you know that. And, it’s eating you alive, slowly. Enjoy, seagull!
I suspect that deep down he really knows just how full of shit he and his ilk are, thus his projection, he admits that he’s never had a real job in the Private Sector!
He didn’t replace Obama! There was 4 prosperous years between Obama and this dip$hit taking office.
Here you go again Major Moonbat, you JUST CAN’T go without shitting your pants over Donald J. Trump!
You just know Lars “rubbed one (or two) out” when President Dementia took office.
I bet he has a laminated poster of Bernie Sanders above his bed!
So Lars gave himself a reach-around?
Major Moonbat is SO messed up that his imaginary friends took out Restraining Orders against him!
– Biden really fucked this up.
Yup. And as usual, you belabour the OBVIOUS.
– And the fact that he is acting like he didn’t pisses me off.
Awwwww, poor little Commie-czar-ZEK is all butt-hurt OFFENDED… So, how EXACTLY should Biden act to satisfy the expectations of your trite and insignificant feelings?!
– Still better than the traitor clown he replaced.
Commie-czar-ZEK – YOU wouldn’t know a tenable presidential replacement if it walked up and kicked you square in the nuts.
FRAUD. FUCK OFF.
You are not a functional person.
And you’re a brainwashed MOONBAT, how’s about all of those American Citizens in Afghanistan left STRANDED by Biden and Company?
Says the “career student” who’s never held a real job long enough to advance beyond the “new guy” phase, and thinks acting exactly like the fascists did is somehow “anti-fascist.”
Look who’s talking.
HEY Major Moonbat, enlighten us AS TO why you say that “Hairplugs” Biden is better than Donald Trump!
I wouldn’t say he is better than Obama. But they both suck so much ass I don’t know which one was worse.
Donald Trump would never have abandoned the American Citizens currently STUCK there by the Biden Administration’s utter stupidity and incompetence.
Fuck off with that, the asshole was going to try to ban Americans from coming home when the pandemic started.
And it was Trump’s peace deal Biden honorees.
Literally the peace deal Trump signed February, 2020 required the US withdraw in 14 months.
And it also released thousand of Taliban prisoners….released under Trump.
Trump’s incompetence set the conditions for this clusterfuck of a withdrawal.
Biden executed it…poorly, but Trump handed off a shit sandwich.
Yeah, it’s ALL Trump’s fault, you can’t even take a breath without shitting your pants over him! Do you ever dare to think for yourself outside of the propaganda you take as fact?
It’s getting worse every day while Biden sits drooling on a table in Camp David.
Your opinion on this doesn’t fucking matter.
People smarter than you are writing the history on this and Neither Biden nor Trump are going to fair well in that history.
Obama shouldn’t either, but Biden and Trump’s incompetence will overshadow Obama’s poor strategy (which Biden advocated anyway).
“Orange Man Bad, *SQUAWK!*,”Orange Man Bad, *SQUAWK!*, “Orange Man Bad, *SQUAWK!*, “Orange Man Bad, *SQUAWK!*, “Orange Man Bad, *SQUAWK!*, “Orange Man Bad, *SQUAWK!*,…
You really bore the shit out of me sometimes, Major Moonbat.
If you were half as smart as WE thought you were, you’d know the difference between fair and fare chief. I’m going to give you some life advice because you ARE dumber than most people here think. To paraphrase Donut, ‘Don’t stand in the roads in your riots, that’s where the cars is’ and we’d miss our favorite lying communist propagandist laughing stock.
So tell us your plan. You’re trained in intelligence and psyops, got all that education. How would you have managed this clusterfuck? I think you’re a fraud, prove me wrong.
I think that all he can do is shit his pants and go “Orange Man Bad, *SQUAWK!*, “Orange Man Bad, *SQUAWK!*, “Orange Man Bad, *SQUAWK!*,…
A minor note, but it is fucking bizarre to have people shout, “Death to America!” while being outwardly courteous to a blond American woman who is asking questions in a place where women don’t generally get that privilege. You don’t find that contrast a wee bit odd? You’d expect her to get slapped at best, not to find the very same people laughing and chatting with her.
It’s a bit like how an evil, murderous serial killer can also be outwardly friendly, charming and intelligent. It is bizarre, yet it happens.
And, for the record, the ‘her’ in this case is Clarissa Ward. You may dislike ‘the media’ as some amorphous, mendacious thing to be hated, but she’s world class, and has courage in spades. She’s the one who went and knocked on the door of a known FSB operative who was involved in the Navalny poisoning. And has learned Russian, Arabic and other languages in order to do her job well.
Credit where it’s due; she’s doing a great fucking job. And if it makes you feel better, her first job was at Fox.
It’s bizarre to think people yelling “Death to America” are friendly. They’re mutually exclusive when you’re dealing with radical Islamics.
This is like saying “Those Klansmen burning crosses were so polite.”
I don’t care where she worked before. It’s the same fucked up thinking as describing a arsonist riot as “Fiery, but mostly peaceful.”
I think we’ll have to disagree – one can be personally friendly and engaging, yet hold an utterly fucked up worldview. For example, let’s say you had a neighbor advocating mass murder -women, men, children, it didn’t matter- but was always friendly to you. Would you view him as a psycho advocating mass murder, or as a friendly neighbor? Or both?
Because on these very forums, we’ve got otherwise friendly people advocating for nuking all of Afghanistan, killing millions of men, women and children alike. ‘Friendly’ is not a description of their goals, it’s a description of their personal demeanor, and the fact that the two seem so out of alignment is bizarre. And yet, also common.
I totally agree that Clarissa Ward is a bad ass, regardless of her employer.
What I find amusing is that you somehow felt that she needed you to defend or explain her. Lol.
The load master on that 17 had to be going nuts. How in the hell did the crew do all the takeoff calculations or did they just say screw it and go. Big Balls
They said, “Distinguished Flying Cross here we come!”
Followed by “Our Lady of blessed acceleration, don’t fail me now!”
Reminded me of a couple of flights I took on C-130s.
Stewardesses had a helluva time pushing that drink cart.
I’m thinking Jimmy’s gonna have to rewrite this song:
Sorry, but, there Sure is a lot of men in that cargo bay. If they’d arm themselves and run toward the bad guys instead of away from them, they might take their country back.
I’m all for bringing our interpreters and mission partners here. I don’t believe all of these “men” are them.
I’m sure that most of them just look forward to whatever free ride they can get, the vast majority of Afghans I came across had NO work ethic whatsoever.
Same here. We turned over a brand new, very nice PB to them in 2011 and it even included vehicles.
2 months latter it was an utter shit hole. Vehicles were useless and the latrine hadn’t been cleaned since we left. They didn’t give a damn. Wanted to know when WE were going to fix it all.
I hear you, we built KMTC (Kabul Military training Center) for them and one day while we were on RRF Duty we had to escort our Camp Fire truck over there because they had set their Mess Hall on fire. Their Fire Truck were dilapidated Russian-made junkers and of course it was burnt to the ground by the time we got there. Their response? Like in your case, they expected us to just build them a new one and we told them to go pound sand. In another FOB and Embedded trainer was getting on the Afghan CO to have his guys burn their shit and they told HIM that he was expected to do it for them. His response? He simplt doused ALL of their latrine with diesel, torched it and told them to fend for themselves. I’m convinced that whatever they don’t turn over to the Chinese and Iranians will be JUNK in no time at all!
So, the material destruction plan was “hand the material over to the locals, who will promptly destroy it all”.
Makes a kind of sense.
LOL
I absolutely love that.
Working out!
I wonder how long it was until they started taking shits on the floor inside the buildings?
That’s not a real gym—not enough mirrors.
Biden’s flunkies told our folks to “shelter in place”.
To save room on the aircraft perhaps?
Now, there are -thousands-of Americans stuck in Kabul. They won’t be called “hostages”, not at first anyway. But there will be demands made.
What would be the absolute worst possible move?
That blithering idiot will pay it. Watch.
My prediction is that it will only get worse with American Citizens being taken hostage while Biden sits in Camp David drooling on whatever table he’s sitting at.
Those people were adults capable of making their own decisions. They now have to live with the results of those decisions. I have as much sympathy for them as I do for those hikers who chose to hike along the Iranian border and found themselves in an Iranian prison.
What’s that old saying—-“Play stupid games win stupid prizes”?
That and “Stupid is as stupid does” – Forrest Gump
What wil we call them when the football stadiums are full of people being beheaded and our females are auctioned off as sex slaves to the Taliban.
Since the Taliban seem be remarkably restrained towards our folks at the moment,
someone my have decided “Let them go. We want them to go, so don’t change their minds.”
Or, someone paid a bribe.
Some differences I’ve noticed between Kabul and Saigon. 1) The ARVN actually put up a fight, even if it didn’t take very long for them to figure out they were screwed. They were well-equipped, but the NVA had more and better tanks, planes, etc. ARVN war plans depended on US air, naval, and logistical support that had been promised by international treaty yet failed to materialize. Many of them shed their uniforms when they knew there was no hope, and some were just cowards, but others gave their last drop of blood to delay the commies, even if only for a few minutes. Contrast the ANA, with a massive technical advantage (possibly numerical as well, though I could be wrong about that) over the Taliban. They ran and hid with hardly a shot fired, letting the cave-dwelling goatfuckers help themselves to billions of dollars’ worth of gently-used Blackhawks, Abrams, drones, etc (never mind the mountains of small arms, ammo, night vision, radios, etc). 2) As South Vietnam fell, ARVN personnel did indeed swarm the embassy, CIA annex, and Tan Son Nhut airbase in droves. They brought their families with them: parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, and especially wives and kids. They knew all was lost and were trying to save those they loved. Hell, some ARVN troops gave up their own seats on outbound Hueys and C-123s to ensure their wives and kids could escape. And they used as many of their own (supplied by the US) aircraft as they could launch, both ensuring the maximum number of people saved and denying those aircraft to the enemy. The C-123s and C-130s ended up in Thailand or Hong Kong, while the majority of the choppers were dumped into the South China Sea by the US Navy to free up deck space. Contrast Afghanistan, where the overwhelming majority of would-be refugees are military-age males, with barely any women or children among them. Certainly women and kids are at greatest risk from the misogynistic pedophile cult that’s taking over, but these assbags are leaving their families to rot. They don’t deserve to be called… Read more »
You have that along with the dysfunctionality of that patch of dirt and rocks. First off, they speak four different languages and they have next to no loyalty to anywhere outside of their tribal borders.
Don’t see any of ’em having the ballz to do this:
Only 1??
Dead guy almost killed hundreds.
>> Human remains were found inside the C-17 transport plane’s wheel well after pilots were forced to make an emergency landing in a nearby country because they were unable to retract the landing gear
[Body of Afghan found in US military plane’s landing gear]
https://nypost.com/2021/08/17/dead-afghan-found-in-us-military-planes-landing-gear/
Our TWA leaving Saudi Arabia in 1991 flew low altitude with gear down to Rome/DaVinci, due to fuselage damage caused by massive tire blowouts on previous flight’s landing in SA.
Tires replaced, our flight was fine, but low and slow.
Changed plane in Rome for remainder of flight to Shannon (Ireland), then NJ.
Shannon Ireland, Loved stopping off there, they treated us like Royalty!
Posting this up for tomorrow morning.
Looked like a towed jumper video from JumpMaster school. (But faster). A town in England has body’s fall on them from landing gear all to often when jets come in for landing.
Don’t they teach “Denial of Assets” anymore. I can’t see leaving all that stuff functional, me and my merry wrenchbreakers could have NMC half that stuff for fun, and would have rather than leave it in place.
If nothing else dump the rifles on the MSR outbound and let everyone drive over them. Cut hoses, open hydraulic systems leave shit running with sensors bypassed. Leave them scrap metal, and nothing more.
I WANNA PLAY!!
I think our guys probably did, but the ANA just upped and walked out from the looks of it.
Oh hell, just pour some gasoline on it and light it on fire. Of course, sand in the oil or fuel tanks. Also, I’m wondering if gasoline in the radiators would work as far as hijinks? Or good old gasoline in the diesel equipment fuel tanks; I’ve known Soldiers who fucked up equipment doing that inadvertently. Those Talis wouldn’t know the first thing about maintenance so it would’ve definitely wasted their time.
Even Gen Patraeus, whose side piece had a fivehead that rivalled Peyton Manning’s, has turned on Old Joe, calling the bungled withdrawal a “Dunkirk moment.”
Don’t know where/if to put this, please do enjoy:
https://youtu.be/OKIszrFBQ2M