Fomenting a Revolution… or Some Such Thing
You got an apple?
13 disgruntled nitwits have been indicted for their plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan. Six face federal charges, while the rest face state charges.
As you may be aware, a bunch of disgruntled wankers who didn’t like the “rules of CV-19” inflicted on them have been arrested for plotting their nefarious plot to kidnap the current Governor of the state of Michigan. This is because they didn’t like her restrictions in re: COVID-19 (which do work) and subsequently got their undies in a wad over it. They staked out her vacation home, laid their plots, were joined by “sympathetic other people” who were FBI and other government employees, and were arrested yesterday without anyone firing a shot. There are federal charges against the major nimrods, plus state charges against the others, per the article. They were said to have explosives, according to news reports, although I don’t know how reliable those reports are just yet.
From the article: State law enforcement authorities wrote in court documents that “the Wolverine Watchmen have called on members to identify law enforcement officers’ home addresses in order to target the officers, have made threats of violence to instigate a civil war leading to societal collapse, and have engaged in planning and training for an operation to attack the Capitol of Michigan, and kidnap Government officials including the Governor of Michigan.” – article
The Wolverine Watchmen is a militia group, a euphemism for ne’er-do-wells who are itching for something to do and egg each other on.
Here’s the link to the full article, with some of their mug shots.
If you read the article, down toward the very end there is this:
From the article: At the house where Musico and Morrison are believed to have been living together in the Munith area of Jackson County, a Free Press photographer spotted plenty of news vehicles in the area and symbols of note, including a number of flags. Those flags included a Confederate flag and a variation on the U.S. flag showing alternating red and white stripes in a vertical direction and a circle of stars surrounding the words, “Liberty or Death,” in white on a blue background.
Several stickers, including some with Marine Corps images, could be seen as well on vehicles. One sticker on a truck window is for a “Terrorist Hunting Permit.” Another is a crest for Kingdom Muzic Ministries. – article
Essentially, they egged each other on, talked themselves into fomenting some sort of revolution (kind of like the Weather Underground in Greenwich Village in the 1960s) and plotted their course. Unfortunately, they broke the first Rule of Insurrection: if you’re going to start a revolution, keep your big, fat, stupid mouth shut around other people, Stupid!
They had everything, including plans, weapons, explosives, and time on their hands. They also owed money on their dwellings and some were being evicted. Does anyone besides me see a pattern here? Read the article; you’ll see what I mean.
I don’t understand why they couldn’t just go deer hunting or fishing. They’d have had a lot more fun.
Category: "Teh Stoopid", 2020 Election, COVID-19
At Least Two of Gretchen Whitmer’s Kidnapping Conspirators Appear to Be Anti-Trump Anarchists
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/10/08/at-least-two-of-gretchen-whitmers-kidnapping-conspirators-appear-to-be-anti-trump-anarchists-n1024917
Thank you for adding that.
I think this is going to get better and better. Gee, it’s like the 1960=1970s all over again. I keep wondering if the Weather Underground will get back together.
BLM’s got ties to members of the WU already. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re already back together using dumber ideologues as catspaws under a new name.
ANTIFA/Anarchist
Sounds like Lars Apple Dumpling gang lean to the left.
Potentially another false-flag disinfo op by the anarcho-left, reminiscent of the 2017 Charlottesville torchlight march that was organized by an extreme left obamaoist pretending to be a white supremacist…
Pete Musico, one of the founders of the Wolverine Watchmen, definitely appears to be a Trump supporter:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8821499/The-chilling-social-media-posts-videos-Trump-loving-13-militia.html
And the FBI affidavit says that the ringleaders of the plot were Croft (anti-government sort who praised Trump as ‘inspiring’) and Fox, not Caserta, whom the PJ Media link labels a ‘ringleader’. Caserta definitely seems to be a full-on anarchist, with no known political leanings.
So, are they all Trump supporters? No. But trying to portray this as some sort of anti-Trump group seems disingenuous at best.
Nearly as disingenuous as Gov. Whitmer laying the blame on Trump.
Leftists gonna Leftist…
A couple or more of these cretins appear to be paid FBI stooges. One of conspirators, likely uncharged, was paid $8600 for his efforts as an informant/agent provocateur. The ring leader, a dedicated anarchist, had multiple videos on YouTube preaching against Trump and how everyone in government is the enemy. But hey, I knew our two resident Progs would be all over this as proof they are all right wing white supremacist Trump supporters. They are both as predictable as a daily sunrise.
Very good news. Bruce Jenner can continue to ‘serve’ the people of Michigan.
The media is going wild in celebration. They are claiming these people were pro Trump white supremacist group.
Funny how happy they are to have finally found a whitey nazi group. They gonna milk this forever.
Or at least until it becomes obvious to everyone that this group is not pro Trump.
Being somewhat of the older generation, I’m not too hip on youth culture, but are those ear lobes on suspect Brandon Caserta known as Tie-Down Points or Grab Handles?/s
They are used by his boyfriend as a griping surface. They each only accommodate a middle finger, so to be technical, they are not “grab handles.” But you have the right idea as to their primary use. He is really going to be popular in his cell block. At some point we may see a full-feature article about him in “Prison Bride.”
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Dumbasses! Once more than one person knows about something, it is no longer a secret. And recruiting for ANYTHING over the inherwebz? It’s always a cop! ‘specially if you are looking for a teenage girl or an anarchist. If I was a gonna kidnap a Michigan grubmint official I might consider the AG….She’s kinda hot…but I doubt if I’d like her politics. A Guv that would be nice to have around would be Guv of SD. She’s kinda hot too…and I think she can cook.
I’ll let Bugs describe the wanna be terrorists AND the guvenator of Michigan here:
Bugs always has a way with words.
Cluster Fuk
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. They can now look forward to picking the soap up for Bubba, Thor, Julio and “Tiny Tyrone” come shower time!
Geniuses I tell ya! Where do we get such brains?
You find the lab and pick up the brain from Abby Normal, Sparks.
Good job, idiots.
This story is going to drip, drip, drip over the next few weeks like a bad case of the clap.
5 bucks says the press buries it because of the inconvenience factor.
I think it pretty obvious here that Cletus Spoochuck and his “Trailer Park Militia” received their tactical training from none other than “Turd” Bolling and the Ambassador Worldwide Protection Agency.
“Turd” Bolling’s time in the “military forces” allowed him to hone their stealth and less-than-lethal skills.
They’d’ve gotten away with it had they used flying burning squirrels.
(Yeah, I know that’s not Turd Billings claim to fame, but still dern funny!)
…if it weren’t for those meddling kids, too.
More like the fucking “Gang that could not shoot straight”.
Hack thought that consensus we all agreed on was “Flaming Squirrel”, which also doubles as the name of a cocktail at the more progressive establishments in Dupont Circle.
Flaming Squirrel is what happens when you contract Herpes after a one-night stand.
The Stunning Agency. There was some pure gold in the survival tips they posted on their website. Still laughing about the tip to use orange seeds as a source of food. Something along the line of “Planting seeds from an orange will provide a source of food.” They must have consulted Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
Hack Stone took a dive in the TAH Valor Vultures archives to find the link of on John Stark of The Stunning Agency, but no luck. He did find this on line which does have some survival tips quoted. Enjoy.
https://videos.extremesealexperience.com/movie_Phony-Navy-Seal-Of-The-Week-John-Stark-Your-Man-In-Afghanistan
Good that they were arrested and charged.
I don’t care who is acting thuggishly. Arrest them. Charge them. Then bury them under the prison. But treat everyone who threatens arson, kidnapping, and an assortment of other illegal activities the same without regard for who they may or may not have voted for in past elections and who they may or may not vote for in future elections. That just does not matter.
Well put. Agree 100%.
Except, they never get arrested, they never get charged, they never get ANYTHING.
That is what created this situation. People past a certain point just don’t give a fuck for justice, when justice don’t work for them.
That was how this country came about. The established rulers kept fucking us about, and we shot them.
Good thing law enforcement was empowered and sufficiently funded to stop this crime before it happened.
It has also been reported that old Whitmer was quite shocked and surprised that someone would want her gone, or possibly dead. But then, fascists almost always are surprised when everyone does not kiss their ass.
These guys remind of the cast of “Trailer Park Boys,” only dumber.
It is not just 13 people. It was 13 people linked to this plot.
There are thousands of right wing misfits prepping, planning and sometimes executing attacks.
Each of them only have to get lucky once to pull of their attacks. Our counter terrorism efforts have to get lucky every time.
You have he tboogaloo movement attacks that killed a Federal Security guard here a few weeks ago (a killing some of you implied was done by BLM protestors). One of the same boogaloo nitwits later killed a deputy in Santa Cruz.
You have the Patriot movements, Sovereign movements, Christian extremists/identity movements, the gaggle fuck of supremacist movements…
Overall right wing extremists have perpetrated 57% of all terrorists attacks in the United States over the last 25 years.
Followed by leftists/environmental/animal rights, 25%.
Religious terrorists, 15% (some of them right wing Christian)
And Ethno-Nationalists 3% (almost all of them also right wing).
Overall, including right wing ethno nationalists and right wing Christian terrorism; right wing terrorism is over 60% of all terrorist attacks in the US.
So far in 2020, more than 90% of terrorists attacks have been committed by right wing terrorists.
In fact right wing terrorism has been skyrocketing since 2013.
While right wing terrorism has accounted for more than 60% of terrorist attacks and plots over the last 25 years.., the overwhelming majority of right wing attacks have occurred in the last 7 years.
Between 2000-2013, right wing terrorism was not the primary form of terrorism in the US. Though there was a period between 1994-1999 where right wing terrorism was high and was the majority of attacks and plots.
Right now terrorist activity is at an all time high in the United States and that activity is dominated by right wing activity. Followed by Christian identity terrorist activity.
Most of you will call bullshit on these facts because you are so submerged in the Bullshit Fox News “the right is under siege” narrative and the pearl clutching feverishness of the right wing blogosphere about leftists, socialists, communists, and BLM…
But everything i posted is true.
Source? References? Or do we just accept you at your word as an officer and a gentleman?
I’d guess much of that is from the June 2020 CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies) paper here:
https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/200612_Jones_DomesticTerrorism_v6.pdf
Here’s a quoted section, but it’s worth a full read:
That outfit has apparently ignored a great deal of those terrorist actions couched in riots started by BLM and Antifa in the last year or so then. And you will not find any right wingers or conservatives in those.
If you read it, it says it only includes up to May 2020, so yes, anything past that wouldn’t be included. So sure, that’ll change things a bit. But not enough to move the needle much.
And you should read it, even if you don’t like what it has to say. I’m well aware that if Trump wins in November, we can expect an uptick in left-wing attacks. I’m also aware that if Biden wins in November, we can expect an uptick in right-wing attacks. This isn’t a partisan issue, it’s a national security one.
Biden has a peace plan.
Not enough to move the needle? LOL, They burned half of Minnesota to the ground. I’d say it would move more than a needle.
Taken as a whole the Summer of 2020 accounted for more terrorist acts by volume than all right wing attacks of the last 30 years combined.
The authors state what they consider terrorism. My guess is the riots in Minnesota don’t count… much like the LA Riots in ’92 aren’t considered terrorism, despite causing even more damage than Minnesota faced in 2020.
That is why it is bullshit. They culled it out to demonstrate what they WANTED it to show. Typical of the left’s agenda. If the right wing of America was out committing such actions there would be both nonstop coverage, and a shit ton of dead liberals. They better hope we don’t get that pissed.
Yeah, well since I am a combat trained and experienced veteran, unlike you who never served a day, I recall a report commissioned by one Janet Napolitano’s Dept. of Homeland Security that said I would likely be a domestic terrorist, just because of my military experience, and that we were a great threat to the nation. I still have a copy of that bogus crap report that was written about ten to twelve years ago. So pardon me if I don’t believe anything you cite. Show me a video of “right-wing” white supremacists rioting, looting and burning a downtown area and I might give that report some credence.
Given all the Islamonazi attacks we have experienced over the past 20 years, I think their report is BS, unless they are calling the likes of 9/11/2001 terrorists and their ilk “right-wing terrorists.”
Oops, I missed the “as” in my last sentence in response to LC’s progda talking points.
So, your line of reasoning is that because Janet Napolitano once said that returning veterans having trouble readjusting to society could lead to a rise in extremist groups, … some totally different study that has absolutely nothing to do with that is something that should be dismissed immediately?
That’s like saying, “I ate a banana for breakfast, so clearly Batman is a demon.” A clear, logical flow there.
Also, since you still clearly haven’t read the study, here’s a bit where they specifically talk about 9/11, which indicates they (obviously) aren’t lumping them in with the right-wing attacks:
I don’t bother responding to Prog zealots like you. It is a waste of effort. You can’t cite anything meaningful or accurate. You just cherry pick like the cuttlefish.
The study lists five attacks perpetrated by leftist in 2020. Granted the numbers stop right before the protests (convenient, that is), that’s still suspiciously low. Further raising suspicions about the integrity of that study is a review of the references. Quite a few of those references seem to target right wing groups and minimal coverage of left wing groups. Seems to me the study leans toward confirmation bias in the references.
Just applying the definition of terrorism the authors used (the deliberate use—or threat—of violence by non-state actors in order to achieve political goals and create a broad psychological impact)is overly simplistic. This definition would include every protest marching through/near neighborhoods as terrorist acts.
Also restricting racial/ethnic supremacy to right wing organizations (page 2, definitions, 2nd para) would lump leftist groups in with right wing groups. Racial/ethic supremacy beliefs run the spectrum in extremist groups of all motivations.
Interestingly, this paper posits that Antifa is a decentralized group (pg 6, Left Wing Groups, 2nd para). This is in direct opposition to the line that “ANTIFA isn’t a group, it’s an ideology”.
Not to mention a review of the START website on my phone (don’t have flash on my work computer)shows over 1,100 terrorism incidents in the US from 1994-2018. Far more than the 893 the paper references (page 1, 2nd para) in a shorter time range than the paper (the paper goes to 2020).
To put it politely, this paper has suspect data.
I imagine the authors would welcome corrections, but the absence of some data -this is, after all, a complex and moving target- does not invalidate the general trend. To that point, since you mention START, here’s one of their recent papers looking at left/right/other radicalization in the US:
https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_PIRUS_ResearchBrief_May2020.pdf
Now, this paper is about radicalization, not actual attacks, so it’s not a perfect comparison, but they have (from 1970-2018) 977 far-right entries, and 374 far-left entries. The latter has definitely grown in recent years, and in some years exceeded that of the right-wing profiles, but it still lends credit to the analysis by CSIS.
As for Antifa, I think when trying to group terrorist acts, calling them a ‘decentralized group’ is fine – it is in ideology that manifests in decentralized groups, no? There’s no “President” of Antifa. I’m not sure what the big issue with that line of thinking is.
If you can put forth a strong analysis, using the START or CSIS data, showing a vastly different conclusion, I’m all ears.. as I imagine plenty of others would be as well. But otherwise picking on minor issues in the data, but not presenting a cohesive counter-analysis, is a bit like saying that the guy who said milk is $3 is an outright liar because it was $2.89, or $3.19, or something like that. How suspect data is depends on how off it is, not whether it’s perfect or not.
If you are of the opinion their original data set of 890 incidents from 94-20 versus 1,100 from 94-18 in the START database is a minor issue then we are at an intellectual impasse.
They simply state they are using an “original” data set with no further explanation.
While my graduate studies in the realm of terrorism were 10+ years ago (and things have changed quite a bit), ecological terrorism was one of the leading motivators for terrorist acts at the time. I find it hard to believe there have been enough right wing ass hats doing bad things since my studies to not only catch up, but dwarf what has been included in the left wing in this study.
Antifa is a decentralized group. I agree with the authors on this point. Trying to say it’s an idea is academic doublespeak. Being as they are decentralized there is no org chart. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t exercising unified effort to achieve their goals.
If you are of the opinion their original data set of 890 incidents from 94-20 versus 1,100 from 94-18 in the START database is a minor issue then we are at an intellectual impasse. Why? It’s not the exact numbers that matter, it’s the trend. If I have two databases of peoples’ favorite flavors of ice cream, and one has 890 entries and the other 1100, but both give (within +/- a few percent) the same answer, that chocolate is the dominant choice among more than half of the people, … then both sets are in agreement. I imagine your studies included some statistics examples, and that’s all this is. Data, all data, is fuzzy. One set will inevitably have more than another, due to slightly fluid definitions of what constitutes an act of terrorism, and it’s actually a good thing when two different sources point towards the same conclusion. Now, admittedly, I haven’t proven both things indicate the same thing, and if they don’t, great, then we argue which data set, or both, is invalid. But right now, it sure seems they’re saying the same thing, at least at a high level. I find it hard to believe there have been enough right wing ass hats doing bad things since my studies to not only catch up, but dwarf what has been included in the left wing in this study. Which study are you talking about now, the START one or the CSIS one? Broadly speaking, both cover a long period of time – as shown, left-wing terrorism has risen, unsurprisingly especially during the Bush years (CSIS, page 3), and right-wing ones grew again later in Obama’s term. This seems pretty reasonable to me, and unfortunately will likely continue. What’s your data showing otherwise? Antifa is a decentralized group. I agree with the authors on this point. Trying to say it’s an idea is academic doublespeak. Being as they are decentralized there is no org chart. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t exercising unified effort to achieve their goals. No disagreement there. It’s absolutely double-speak to dismiss it as… Read more »
I just found the link to their methodology. Was expecting footnotes or listing in the references. It was an embedded link at the bottom of a page.
I retract my objections to the study. The authors list their sources and addressed my concerns.
Every single mass shooting during that period was also done by leftard socialist democrats. They were not included either apparently, even though those could easily be considered terrorism. Again, they picked what they wanted to while they lied their asses off.
Brevity is a virtue, Lars. Try it sometime.
Yeah…right. I see all those “right wing terrorists’ on my TV every night burning, looting, committing assault & robbery. Gangs of Nazi skinheads going through residential areas, terrorizing patrons, and screaming “Black Lives Matter!!!”. It’s all the right militia throwing Molotov cocktails, bricks, fireworks at police. It’s the Klan out blocking highways, assaulting soccer moms, and jumping on police cars. Lars you’re just a simp that cucks for your masters on the Left. You’re an obedient foot soldier cheering the punishment of others…until they come for you. Robespierre met his end at the guillotine, and you would too except The People will elect Trump again. Oh, you and your kind will throw hissy fits, but the public is against you fools. Find a comfy rock and take up residence.
BTW, where are the links to your “stats”? Throwing out numbers that have been retweeted by blue check mark douches is NOT verification. The Babylon Bee & Onion don’t count as a resource.
NO, comrade, almost none of what you posted, or generally post, is true. It exists in your feverish little brain housing group. But if it makes you feel better, you just keep pulling nonverifiable nonsense out of your ass.
Your bullshit is easily countered as lies by simply looking at the FBI’s unified crime report. They actually cull all that stuff, put it together, and publish it. Those are called facts. You should get acquainted with some. Fuck you and Kalifornia too, Oddball.
Horseshit.
The Left is the violent mob burning looting and mayheming our cities.
Thus why your credibility is zero.
Major Moonbat, your drivel once again convinces me the if being a 24K Shithead was a Martial Art you would be at least a 7th Degree Black Belt in it!
Shit and run Marxist… shit and run….
NEVER QUESTION MY EMPIRIC EVIDENCE!!!!
It amazes me how casually so many retards in this country blab about revolution or civil war. They all aren’t local yokel part time militia members or Antifa members living in their Mom’s basement playing Call of Duty. Fomenting revolution in a country of 320+ million people with one of the most lethal militaries in the world. What could go wrong? An error in thinking that many of these dumbasses posses is believing that their side is destined to win.
Many of those people you so casually denigrate are not at all casual when they speak of this. They watch what is happening in this country and they are deadly serious. Duly elected socialist democrats entering into criminal conspiracies to commit Sedition tend to piss people off. And the liberals and socialist democrats are pushing for it as hard as they can. They certainly for the most part don’t think it could happen, so it will come as a serious shock should it go down. And the US military will prove ineffective in combatting it, because a goodly percentage of them will support it. Even assuming they could remain unified, there are less than a million active duty right now, and a goodly portion of their weapons systems could not be brought to bear on people unless collateral damage was no issue.
I’m talking about the people who have no clue about the reality of a civil war or a revolution. Maybe a lot of dead Americans and a wrecked country. So yea, I’m casually denigrating those folks.
Guys, guys, guys! I am more than convinced that the first barrage, even if it went over their heads or hit the ground in front of them – or even if it were nothing but sound effects from hidden speakers – would be so terrifying for all of them that they’d scatter to the four corners and not come out for a week.
Here is a clip of what happened to some antifa fleabags in Savannah GA and i consider it to be a sample of what awaits them if they try to infest Red State America!
In other words, these guys are like the Black Panthers of late ’60’s except they didn’t actually kill anyone or bomb or committ robbery. If they did, then they’d be heros to the left and celbrated by the Democrats.
Some interesting info there LC, though without actually detailing the incidents, it’s hard to determine the accuracy of their assessments. The fact that they claim incels are “right-wing” does not produce confidence in their names. Also, are any of the incidents they include ones that have proven to be false flag incidents? One could point out that the only shootings of politicians in recent times have been by left wingers.. gabby giffords (though that dude was likely just a nut job, he was a lefty), the shooting at the congressional baseball game, President Reagan, President Ford, JFK… I’m sure there are others I’ve forgotten (MLK if you’re into conspiracy theories would be one)…
I always get confused by these things. Are they far right because they are anti-government anarchists or are they far right because they are auhtoritaeian facists?
Both of these can’t be true.
According to Marxists, anything that opposes or hinders Marxism is Fascism.
“Made the Marxists look stupid” = hinders Marxism = Fascist
Note: insufficient applause = Fascism
Yes, Marxism is a Venn Diagram of three mostly-overlapping circles: Crazy, Evil, Stupid.
LC, you cite a study claiming that 57% of 893 terrorist attacks occurring in this country between 1994 and 2020 were perpetrated by right-wing groups.
I say, so what? Did you bother to do the math? That’s just under 20 attacks per year in a country that had a population rising from 265 million in 1994 to 330 million in 2020. These attacks would have had to have resulted in hundreds of casualties per event to be statistically (even emotionally) meaningful in a population of that size when compared to ordinary crime statistics.
Or another way of looking at it would be to ask how much terror and how many deaths Planned Parenthood was responsible for in that same time frame. I don’t know if a fetus is capable of experiencing the sensation of fear, but if they can, that makes Planned Parenthood the world’s largest terrorist organization by far, a LEFT WING terrorist organization that totally dwarfs any such efforts by the right.
Bet they could find a spot for you at the Southern Poverty Law Center…
The plot thickens. ANOTHER suspect federally charged in the Whitmer Plot has been identified as a leftist, this time a BLM supporter and protester. This makes three of the six plotters federally charged either anarchists or BLM types. This sounds more and more like a leftist false flag operation…
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/10/10/blm-supporter-tied-to-michigan-gov-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-demands-grow-for-her-to-apologize-to-trump-n1034330
Well, there was that dem candidate in Georgia a few weeks ago who faked a kidnapping to drum up sympathy when she was lagging in the polls.
Or, they are just crazy/evil/stupid.
That baker’s dozen of dweebs seem to lean towards the crazy/stupid axis of the Marxist Triad.
Wonder why that was not covered by the propaganda media?
Quick Update: Might not be of any consequence, but two of the 13 fools indicted are “ex”(/s)-Marines according to AP news.
Joseph Morrison, LCPL, Reserves, 4th Logistical Group in Battle Creek 2015 – Till he was picked up by the Feds.
Daniel Harris, CPL, 0300 Infantryman, 2014-2019, last duty station Camp Lejuene.
And what, pray tell, might their discharge status have been????