Upcoming Solar Cycle Hints at Mini Ice Age Climate

| June 19, 2020

Centuries of sunspot observations show a connection between sunspot numbers and long term climate. Weak sunspot activity occurred during cooler periods and strong sunspot activity occurred during warmer periods.

Sunspot activity was “little to none” during the Maunder and Dalton Solar Minimums. Collectively, these minimums were associated with the Little Ice Age. Sunspot activity increased from the middle of the 19th Century to the end of the 20th Century. This activity caused the warming that happened since the Little Ice Age.

NASA scientists have discovered another method that they could use to anticipate solar activity… Magnetic field activity on the sun. Thes sun’s magnetic field behaves a certain way when the sun is active and a certain way when the sun is not as active. Observations of the sun’s magnetic field activity, combined with traditional solar tracking methods like sunspot activity, hints that this upcoming solar cycle is going to be weaker than the last one.

This will bring us to the conditions that existed during the Dalton Minimum. To see what is in store for our near future, look back at what happened the last time the sun behaved the way scientists expect it to behave.

From Electroverse:

Like the deeper Maunder and Spörer Minimums preceding it, the Dalton brought on a period of lower-than-average global temperatures. The Oberlach Station in Germany, for example, experienced a 2C decline over 20 years, which devastated the country’s food production.

The Year Without a Summer also occurred during the Dalton Minimum, in 1816. It was caused by a combination of already low temperatures plus the aftereffects of the second largest volcanic eruption in 2000 years: Mount Tambora’s VEI 7 on April 10, 1815.

The earthquakes and tsunamis that followed killed tens of thousands of people living on the surrounding Indonesian islands. But Tambora’s eruption wasn’t of much interest to Europe and the U.S., not initially at least — the news was focused on the Napoleonic Wars and the Battle of Waterloo on Sunday, June 18, 1815, in which the Duke of Wellington defeated Napoleon Bonaparte at the expense of 65,000 men.

The newspapers were preoccupied with the battle right up until the start of winter in 1815, when the weather turned decidedly whacky. And by 1816, the climate was dominating headline news as both Spring and then Summer failed to arrive.

One Virginia resident recalled, “In June another snowfall came and folks went sleighing. On July 4, water froze in cisterns and snow fell again, with Independence Day celebrants moving inside churches where hearth fires warmed things a mite.”

Clothes froze on the line in New England, ice on ponds and lakes was reported in northwestern Pennsylvania in both July and August, and Virginia had frosts in August. The temperature occasionally got into the 90s, but then would drop to nearly freezing in just a few hours.

Crops that had managed to sprout were frozen out in early June, replanted, and frozen again in July. Very few crops were actually harvested, and of those that were, the yields were very poor. In turn, food and grain prices skyrocketed — for example, in 1815, oats sold for $0.12 a bushel but by the next year, a bushel would set you back $0.92.

And the story was the same across the world:

The potato crop in Ireland rotted in the ground resulting in widespread starvation.

In England, France and Germany wheat crops failed leading to bread shortages and food riots and looting.

Northern China was also hard hit with thousands of people starving to death.

While in southern Asia, torrential rains triggered a cholera epidemic that killed many more.

The sun is “telling us” that things are about to get colder, not warmer, in our near future. The Ice Man is coming. Thanks to Ex-PH2 for the Electroverse link.

Category: Global Warming, Science and Technology

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OldCorpsTanker72

No problem. I’ll go fire up the old pickup, make a few laps around the block, send up the appropriate amount of CO2, and we’ll be good to go. Thank goodness we have people like Al Gore and Greta who have figured this out for us.

A Proud Infidel®™

WELL THEN let’s start those coal-fired power plants and get some more good ‘ol CO2 back in out atmosphere. While we’re at it, let’s roll some of those ridiculous emissions regulations and we’ll be JUST fine. BIT WAITAMINNIT, I distinctly remember some eco-doomsday Criers back in the 70’s screeching that another Ice Age was imminent by the 1990s because the soot and emissions from fossil fuel consumption was going to blot out sunlight reaching Earth, but in the 90’s and 2000’s glowbull wormening was the crisis du jour!

Fyrfighter

Interesting that the “cause” of both of those is the same… Couldn’t be just because they want to do away with fossil fuels, and will do whatever / say whatever they need to in order to make that happen could it???
It’s almost like their agenda matters far more than the facts…

Ex-PH2

I’m not sure it would matter either way, API. During those medieval minimum periods, every dwelling had a fireplace, however primitive and that heated the woodman’s hut and the lord’s castle (fireplace in every room, in reality) and it was all woodburning fire, at that time.

People cooked food in the fireplace, everything from fried eggs to a roast in a Dutch oven (big pot with a lid). Bread was baked in the fireplace.

With all that carbon being burned and the smoke and gases released into the atmosphere, you have to ask (logically) where wasn’t there any relief from the cold outdoors?

Bruegel the Elder’s painting “Hunters In the Snow” is only one of many depictions of the snowbound long winter in Europe.

Ex-PH2

I find it pays to read stuff that incorporates common household objects as contemporaries to the literature themselves. The Rumford fireplace, for instance, provided a better “draw” on fuel and allowed room for an oven off to the side of the fire chamber, for the purpose of baking. The closed stove wasn’t part of the kitchen until the late 18th century.

What we take for granted now could so easily be unavailable to use if the weather went really sour. I would rather have a gas range with pilot light than these more modern stoves that are supposed to protect the user’s toddlers from doing stupid things.

I started cooking when I was 7YO. Never looked back. That’s why it was such a pleasant surprise to find that old 1953 BH&G cookbook.

Could we do that now? No reason to not do so; open fire cooking or using a wood-fired stove is still going on. There is an Amish company that builds brand new wood-fired stoves and provides instructions on how to use them properly and cook good food.

What we are taking for granted now is considerably less than a century in the past.

Dennis - not chevy

I remember singing along to, “Before the breathing air is gone, before the sun is just a bright spot in the night sky.”

26Limabeans

Solar flares from sunspots are going to wipe out
everything on earth! Lack of sunspots is going
to freeze everything on earth!

Just the right amount of sunspots is what’s needed.
Where is Congress on this issue?
Somebody should introduce a bill to regulate sunspots.

A Proud Infidel®™

YESyesyes, SUNSPOT CONTROL LAWS ARE A MUST!!!

5th/77th FA

Absolutely! We must pass common sense Sunspot Laws today. Think of the children.

Sunspot Lies Matter! If only Al Gorbull had of been elected we’d of already had Sunspot protection rackets…err err Laws.

Maybe a few more riots and burning down some inner cities will help? Increase the carbon footprint. Removing all of the War Memorial Statues will do away with all of the shadows they cast.

USAF Ret

Stop Manmade Sunspots

Do it for Greta

Trump is Bad

Hire a DACA a to keep your wood stove burning

Anymore?

rgr769

Yes, the Algore could make many more millions selling sunspot credits.

Ex-PH2

What about the real estate potential?

Selling point: Be warm forever! Put a down payment on your sunspot now, before they’re all gone!! 😉

A Proud Infidel®™️

Hey, I call FIRST DIBS on the rights to sell timeshare Sunpots!

A Proud Infidel®™️

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Ex-PH2

The problem with that idea, GunBunny, is that burning down the cities will drive the idiots to the suburbs, even all the way out here where I am, and I really, really, really don’t want them as neighbors at all.

26Limabeans

But they will bring their solar panels with them.

Ex-PH2

And I will put them in the trash where they belong.

Those precious environment-friendly pieces of crap keep ending up in landfills and those and the wind turbine blades can’t be recycled, once they’re “dead”.

Those are people who think that electric power is generated by wall sockets.

MI Ranger

So we are now doomed…with all this Wuhan Flu going around everyone is staying at home, like a good citizen…except when they are out protesting, but now there isn’t enough CO2 in the atmosphere from all their cars.
We see it all ready in places like Idaho and Montana that got up to 10 inches of snow yesterday. Sounds like that Sheriff needs to up that Warrant on Mother Nature!

Ex-PH2

You could post a spew warning on that, Big Guy!

Jeff LPH 3, 63-66

I hope NASA isn’t putting the sun on the spot with their new method of sunspot predictions

A Proud Infidel®™

So how much longer until we see Major Moonbat aka Commissar spewing his talking points to enlighten us about how wrong we are AND how the Zika and Chinese Wuhan viruses will soon co-mutate into one and end up being the big DOOMSDAY virus?

Ex-PH2

Well, if you want to, you could get a tin cap, fill it about one quarter full with dry beans, go outside and face the western direction, and chant “Heavy Snow in WHATEVER PLACE” as the sun sets in the evening.

It’s crude, but it’s the thought that counts, right?

Ex-PH2

You are all BAD BAD BAD BAD people. All those puns? Where’s the butter and jam that go with those puns?

I gave you biscuits yesterday, and this is what I get in return? Just try getting gravy out of me. Just TRY….

We’re having wild swings in temps now, two days near but NOT on 90f, then three or four mid to low 80s, and 50s at night. I ran the furnace until June 16, then turned it off, and now the night-time temps are going to drop to 50s and maybe 40s again. So who messed with Mother Nature?

A Proud Infidel®™

I’m sure the moonbats are still blaming President Trump!

5th/77th FA

And we want sausage in that gravy. Turning on the stove will help heat up da house. Using maple flavored sausage will put a nice aroma through out da house too. Makes the aroma of the sausage, gravy, fresh biscuits…”POP!”

Ex-PH2

Did nobody feed you this morning, KoB?

You want sausage in that gravy? That had better come from a real pricey hog. You gotta have the right flavor in the pan drippings if you’re going to have real flavor in the gravy.

5th/77th FA

Just had a follow up brunch of eggs scrambled with cheese and some cheese toast. It took some of the edge off. I do have some top shelf Johnsonville Maple Syrup infused sausages in stock and some very, very good local ground porked beast that is spiced just right without being too hot. AND a working gas stove, plus 7 tons of climate control air handling capacity. It may be 89 outside but it’s a balmy 68 inside. And in re of your comment above about the ne’er do wells heading into your AO, we don’t allow them kind here. You behave yourself or you may have an opportunity to meet the swamp porkers. Shoulda, woulda, had oughta, already arranged to get you down here I appreciate your cooking ability and we’d prolly get along pretty good for 364 & 1/2 days out of the year. (gabn)

Keep in mind, if you’ve been following my linkies I’ve posted, you’d recall that at this point in time I was to be 1/4 of the way into a trip that had been planned and logisticized for 3 years. In addition to culinary delights on the way there and back, I would be being fed, fetted, and fawned over by assorted Sister types, nieces, chefs and over all admirers. All of whom are Blue Ribbon cooks/bakers and a nephew who is not only a world class BBQ Cook off Contestant, is a judge of the same. Plus seeing a lot of the countryside that I had never seen and some family that I haven’t seen in years, a few a decade or more.

This is my pity party. DAMNIT!!!!!!!!

Ex-PH2

Oh, you poor fella! I guess I have to find another down home recipe for you, huh?

Personally, I prefer the regular J’ville sausage (no maple flavor), which is what I’d use to make the sausage gravy.

There’s also chipped beef, which used to come in little juice glasses, post Korean War era.

Remember taking your soda bottles back to the store to get your deposit back? The Navy remembers.

5th/77th FA

Yes, poor me. I’m also deP(r)I(v)Ed. Niece L is a world class baker. We were to have an assortment of peach, apple, key lime, and chocolate pies.

I have the plain J’ville sausages too. You may find that my local man’s puts them to shame however.

Chipped beef? Use ground sirloin, less fat.

Saw Coke bottle deposits go from a penny, to a nickle, to a dime. Have a wide assortment of different sizes from 6 oz thru the FIRST 32 oz returnables. Good times!

David

Used to be a nice walk to the gas station a mile away – almost always found enough soda bottles in the roadside ditch to cash in for a dime to buy a full bottle.

The Other Whitey

Well, my neck o’ the woods has been having some really nice weather of late. Yesterday was CAVU skies, gentle breeze, and daytime high of 73. I took the opportunity to take my kids to ride their pony for a few hours.

assemblerhead

@thebesig
Thanks for the info and links.

Going to laugh when the ‘Goreble Warming’ idiots start freezing.

11B-Mailclerk

Goebbels Warming

Lie Globally

11B-Mailclerk

Minor quibble. Sunspots are a solar magnetic phenomenon. Internal part of the Sun’magnetic field and the physics of it.

So are flares, prominences, and coronal mass ejections.

The dynamics of that solar dynamo are staggeringly huge and amazingly complicated.

Commissar

Your source is shit.

When are you posting your flat earth claims?

About us much credibility as this bullshit.

Commissar

Just to be clear….I am not talking about NASA.

I am talking about Electroverse. A bullshit climate misinformation site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Soon

He also accepts money from the Energy industry.

11B-Mailclerk

Anything that contradicts you is wrong, evil, or corrupt?

Charming.

You are totally ineffective at anything other than poo flinging, and bad at that.

rgr769

See, in his history of the planet a la Howard Zinn that 1816 year without a summer never happened. And all those ice ages and ancient warming periods never happened either.

The Other Whitey

Hey Lars, remember when you tried to act like you know more than I do about wildland fire (as a means to justify your irrational phobia of all things Trump), despite the fact that I have hundreds (if not thousands, I’ve honestly lost count) of hours of formal training and two decades of hands-on experience in that field, while you possess fuck-all of same? Remember how you smugly mocked me for pointing out that you lack even the most basic level of applicable education? And you demonstrated a profound degree of ignorance on a topic you spoke of as though you were an expert?

Yeah, you declaring something to be shit is pretty meaningless. In fact, it actually adds credibility to that which you dismiss.

11B-Mailclerk

He is here to shine the Moonbat Virtue Signal, fling poo from the top of the outrage tree, and obliterate all the strawman-replicants he can imagine.

I kinda doubt any of us really exist to him, other than as strawman-templates.

It would explain his otherwise irrational behavior.

Sad.

jarhead

Speaking of flinging poo, mark my word…one day this last interaction between Lars and Ex-PH2 will go viral.

Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH B Woodman

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A Proud Infidel®™️

IMHO you’re little more than a brainwashed lunatic, Major Moonbat , first you come here to spout your propaganda and then screech about everyone who disagrees with you as nauseum. You also imitate those who blindly followed dictators in the past as well. Tell me Major Moonbat, if President Trump is the evil dictator you screech that he is, then when was the last time anyone saw HIS supporters rioting, looting, killing Law Enforcement Officers, committing arson and tearing statues down?

11B-Mailclerk

Sunspot data is widely available.

Sunspot activity is a net plus to solar output, thus insulation, thus global temperatures.

Sunspot activity correlates nicely with global temperatures. Long absences of spot activity correlate strongly with cold periods.

Below is a cool blog by a guy who knows space and such. Dig around for his sunspot data posts.

https://behindtheblack.com

His Mars posts also may be of interest.

rgr769

The nice thing about this guy besides being a scientist is he understands the culture war the effing progs have declared against us.

11B-Mailclerk

Oh yes. That link was probably painful for irrational hard-left nincompoops.