Boston bombing; One down, one on the run (Updated)
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According to Fox News, one of the suspects in the bombing at the Boston Marathon has been killed and the other has killed a police officer and stolen a car (the guy in the white cap, they say). That one is still on the loose;
State police spokesman David Procopio told news agency, “The incident in Watertown did involve what we believe to be explosive devices possibly, potentially, being used against the police officers.”
Fox News reporters on the scene cannot yet confirm these reports.
Earlier Friday, Cambridge police and the Middlesex District Attorney’s office said the MIT officer was responding to a report of a disturbance when he was shot multiple times late Thursday. He later died at a hospital. His name was not immediately released.
Procopio said the shooting took place about 10:30 p.m. outside an MIT building. The area was cordoned off and surrounded by responding law enforcement agencies, according to a posting on the university’s website.
Watching the local NBC News here, there was a press conference by the police who say they’ve shut down Watertown, MA, not allowing anyone in or out of town and they’ve told businesses to not open today. The local news also reports that both suspects have only been in the country for a year or saw and have international ties, but, again, there has been so much misinformation in this case, tale it all with a grain of salt.
From NBC4 in DC, this video taken with a cell phone of the shoot out at MIT;
View more videos at: http://nbcwashington.com.
UPDATE: The local CBS News reports that the second suspect is a 19-year-old Chechen named Dzhokar Tsarnaev. Bloomberg reports that one of the victims of the bombing helped identify the Tsarnaev brothers.
Here’s a video of Dzhokar, I think, not that you can understand him;
Fox News is saying that the brothers were here on a US taxpayer funded scholarship. So I guess the bombing was just their way of saying “Thanks, America”.
For some reason, MSNBC is saying he’s from Kzyrkistan.
CNN is interviewing a high school friend who thinks he was radicalized recently, that he was “forced” into terrorism.
CNN is reduced to reporting smells. CNN news chick; The police have their hands on the barrel of their guns…not the barrel…[pause]…the base of thier guns….
CNN reports that police are moving the media back and expanding their taped-off area. FBI’s HRT has arrived on the scene.
Fox reports that Associated Press talked to his father, in Russia, who said he is a 2d year medical student. He’s a “true angel“.
CNN is a bunch idiots. He just said that the older brother was “a boxer, a two-time Golden Globe winner”
CNN is pulling a Treyvon Martin thing – showing pictures of the misguided youth when he was a couple of years younger instead of the pictures of him robbing a convenience store or planting a bomb.
Meanwhile, MSNBC is trying to convince us that there is no terror network – that these two set off on their own to bomb Boston, which may well be the case, but stop driving so hard for the loop.
MSNBC is also reporting that a third suspect has been apprehended on a train to Connecticut.
According to MSNBC, the police found an unexploded IED at the train station in Boston which is why they shut down Boston.
Media is speculating that this video was posted to YouTube by the older brother on his account “The Emergence of Prophecy: The Black Flags From Khorasan”;
Bill Hemmer at Fox News says he heard shots fired, and something about an explosion near the Dunkin Donuts which solves the mystery, because, ya know, America runs on Dunkin. That’s been their target all along.
In regards to Sean Collier, the officer who was killed.
Category: Crime, Terror War
OWB: possible. But under those conditions he’s also smart enough to know he’s likely facing the death penalty for multiple murders.
I just don’t see this ending with a live capture. As I said above, I hope I’m wrong – if for no other reason than I’d love to give the appropriate folks a chance to interrogate this guy regarding possible external terrorist connections.
@92 – He may have lapsed into “self-preservation mode” and is trying to figure out his next move, otherwise I’d agree with you that he’d be dead already. Like OWB in #96 observed, his older brother was likely the more dangerous of the two. Either way, the end isn’t gonna turn out too well for the lad.
BTW, where are the Boondock Saints when you need them? This shit’d be over with by now.
@93, Hondo – if taking out the largest number of people possible was the motivation, both of them could have gotten on a commuter train and blown a railcar to smithereens, and themselves and the passengers with it.
This kid hasn’t done anything like that. The stolen car owner was turfed out, not killed, and explosives/pipe bombs were thrown out of the car as the two brothers drove away. That doesn’t fit in with jihadism.
Why take him alive? So he can claim he worked the marathon in some fashion in order to be charged with workplace violence? So that we can put him on trial and hear his sorry history and let his lawyers file motions and lodge objections into oblivion? Maybe we can hold a contest to see whether his pretrial years exceed Hasa’s. Screw all of that.
And I also want to see this individual taken alive and punished.
Allen West is right. When I go to the grocery store, I’ve been more concerned about someone giving me a cold or even whooping cough, because kids aren’t being inoculated for that like they should be. But after the flash mob crap at Ford City Mall and downtown in Chicago on Michigan Avenue a few weeks ago, I’m more concerned that someone will decide my grocery store and hardware store are perfect places for a bomb attack, or something worse.
Boy that was a totally worthless News Conference just held! Why bother?
Just a thought. If, I say again, If, they catch this guy alive. Once he has gone through the justice system here and is sentenced. How about shipping him to China to stand trial for killing a Chinese National. In the United States it is conceivable that this individual would spend years on death row, that is if he gets sentenced to the death penalty. If he were to be tried in China and found guilty and Sentenced to death, The sentence would be carried out post hast.
@104: So you can learn why he did this, and if it was for something like radical Islam, who radicalized him? Are others involved? Do others feel similarly? Where did they get the bomb materials? Etc., etc.
Plus it won’t make him a martyr, and as far as I’m concerned, life in isolation at jail is probably worse than a quick death.
@Hondo – I stand corrected on both accounts. There’s not much more I can say.
Ex-PH2: not all jihadist attacks are suicide bombings. Sometimes they aren’t interested in meeting Allah today and try to get away afterwards.
If I recall correctly, the carjacking and convenience store robberies occurred during the night – off-peak hours for most places, so not as many large crowds. My guess is they were trying to acquire supplies/funds needed to cut and run and got interrupted by the police, forcing them to improvise, expend some of their cache of explosives, and ultimately in the elder brother’s death. The younger brother’s still running.
This younger terrorist could indeed be having second thoughts. But unless he’s a complete moron, he knows he’s likely toast if he’s taken alive anyway – he’ll virtually certainly be prosecuted and convicted for multiple murder and will get the needle. My guess is that he’ll come down on the side of going out in a “blaze of glory” vice a quiet surrender. I could well be wrong, and hope I am.
I don’t want to see the slime taken alive. I want our snipers to get in some time on their guns. I hope they ventilate him.
@105-108: The brother, who is partying with his 72 Helen Thomas/Janet Reno/Nancy Pelosi types is said to have been a devout muslim, based on his FB page. His girlfriend was a muslim convert, etc.
Say it with me, people: If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, quacks like a duck…………………it could possibly be a hamster.
@108. Yeah, I get it. We just ask him and he spills his guts about every detail. Or we make a deal and give him 30 years and he gives it up. Or, perhaps, we waterborad him. No, that’s out. Or maybe he is killed and we learn that he and his brother left a computer and telehone trail a mile long and we don’t need him at all. I like that last one. It saves the show we are now suffereing with Hasan, years after his ‘workplace violence’ incident.
Question any of you guys think that these two were the “martyrs” used as a diversion to allow for those actually behind the plot to melt away into the “victims” who are all now under lockdown. Then will escape once lifted when the younger suspect is either dead or apprehended.
Older one was ready to off himself due to it being necessary to protect whatever information he knew. The younger one convinced to come along with the plan but told nothing else. To further serve as the diversion with the plan for the LE to follow and focus resources on.
Since as mentioned it is odd that the younger one seems to be running instead of following in the footsteps of what the older perp attempted to do with the suicide vest.
USMC/R 74-92: makes damn good sense to me. But I’m betting DoJ would never allow it – it might violate the “poor young man’s rights”.
also do know that it sounds tinfoil hat-ish but just throwing it out there.
@ Hondo: I don’t believe MA has the death penalty. You know far more about law than I do – how would he get the needle? Is there a federal statute that takes over due to ‘terrorism’ or something?
Chechens, an Elvis impersonator, and possibly a Saudi guy too. Man this has been a weird month.
Dont forget the explosion out in Texas at the fertilizer factory.
@117: Yep, federal crime, federal needle.
@113: I don’t mind the show; I’d rather have a better chance at the intelligence. He might talk, he might not. Similarly, the digital trails might reveal lots and they might not. It doesn’t quite work like CSI where you instantly have access to everything they did on their system – depending upon their precautions, we might recover nothing.
Let’s take him alive if the opportunity presents itself and a) potentially learn a lot more and b) not let some idiotic fucking kid cause us to overstep our own laws. Killing him when the opportunity to take him alive does that. The only downside is we have to put up with a stupid trial? No sweat. For me, the benefits far outweigh the ‘costs’ provided police are able to take him safely.
@120: Thanks. How does that work with State laws? Not that I’d expect MA would fight USA on the issue, but does federal law supercede State law on this just by asking? I’d have figured if they crossed state lines or something that’d be a given, I just don’t understand how it works here.
@119: Good catch.
Also there was that letter bomb attempt in Germany in the last day or so.
@116 – Nice save. You almost stepped into the impact area.
@ #122: Off the top of my head here – the Chinese national victim, the use of explosives, the immigration status of the bombers could all kick juridiction to the federal level, if they want it. And with this much media attention, they would want it. There are probably other circumstances which would allow federal prosecution that just aren’t occurring to me at the moment.
@123 did not know about that one, will look it up now.
@124 yeah i know it sound stupid, but seems a bit odd with how they got away with the bombing, that they went and held up a convenience store then stole a car, which is what seemed to have triggered this whole huge massive manhunt after having shot the officer who had responded to their actions. Then again its just a long day and thinking too much haha
@121. Yeah, trials are important to American justice. I suppose that’s why about 95% od criminal cases are plea bargained. And then there’s Hasan. No trial date as yet. I’m sure we got a great deal of info from him that his computers and phone records didn’t contain.
Interesting side note: Took time to surf the channels and Current TV had “Bowling for Columbine” on. Didnt check to see if it was actually playing or if Granholm was on doing CYA for radical Islam
@127: My bad – I’m not a legal eagle, and used the word ‘trial’ as an inaccurate synonym for the entire legal process. I should’ve said, what, the ‘legal process’? Inclusive of plea bargains, of course.
The wider point remains – taking him alive, IF it can be done safely, is far better both in terms of intelligence and that whole pesky reality of living in a society based on laws which forbid the police from killing someone who isn’t a threat at the time of arrest. The “it would tie up the courts and annoy me” thing isn’t a good enough excuse to throw either of those out, let alone both.
@129. I don’t know who you were quoting but it wasn’t I. Justice is my desire. Many of us have been taught that lengthy legal manuevers and appeals ad nauseum are somehow in furtherance of justice. I’m not one who subscribes to that. Anmd I did not say, as you seem to suggest, that I want him executed. I want him taken dead. There’s a diffeence.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.
@123: Don’t forget the explosive package shipped to Arpio out in Arizona last week.
@131: Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Does anyone else find the coverage of heavily armed teams going from house to house, in and out of private homes a bit disturbing?
When you consider what/who they’re looking for? Not really. Other than the fact the bad guys might be watching the same shit we are and possibly learning from it.
One version out now, the older brother was the radical and radicalized his younger bro. There are supposedly youtube videos that the dead one posted, glorifying Islam and martyrs. But, the younger one “only” posted 4 videos of that nature.
As for this one, he’s probably a jihadist, just not that dedicated to his 72 Helen Thomases. Fox showed a still photo of the younger one, the bomb and the 8yr old who died in the bomb blast, apparently right after the younger one dropped off the bomb
This article gives a description of the jihadist crap the elder, dead terrorist brother was fond of:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/19/bombing-suspects-followed-harry-potter-hating-australian-sheikh/
UpNorth’s theory of the elder brother radicalizing his younger brother looks like it may well have merit. Key questions which remain are (1) who radicalized the elder brother; (2) were they working alone; and (3) was there an overseas channel for guidance/direction/supplies/whatever.
Hondo, if Fox can be believed, and sometimes their info comes from Reuters or the AP, the elder brother spent six months in Russia recently. I’d imagine that was in the Dagestan-Chechnya region. Maybe it was to reaffirm his dedication to the Caliphate and AQ.
Getting knocked off the front page is–EVERYTHING else. Two POS garnering all of this attention just cannot be a good thing. All of the attention babies in the world are drooling and we are left to wonder how many more little SOBs have we allowed in through the front door from Islamokrazy countries.
These 2 boys are being set up as patsies.
Today we lost the war on terror and many of our civil liberties the country is lost.
Cossack. Sober up and come back when you do. If you’re not drunk, just don’t come back. You just moved the crazy line a few notches.
It *appears* they now have a suspect in custody; awaiting confirmation of identity.
@142 You laugh now but government is using this is a smoke screen to take peoples guns.. Everyone in that town is being disarmed for their own “protection” Your town will be next.
Cossack, the tin foil is two isles over on the left.
You can all be ostrich with head in sand but I come to this country to get away from such things and this is the same stuff that happened in soviet union when I was young man.
police ransacking peoples houses and you not allowed to leave i never though I would see this in USA.
Cossack, the police are not “ransacking people’s houses.” They are conducting door-to-door searches. That’s to see if he’s holed up and has taken hostages in the area. And the lock-down was ordered for the people’s safety; remember, these are bombers they’re after. Crowds anywhere near there are a bad idea, right now.
@146. Yes, I see. Baseball, apple pie, and Cossack. Makes sense. Lay off the wodka, bub. The police aren’t entering anyone’s home without permission.
this Obama is evil man, everywhere he goes he has armed protection but you the citizen cant, your founders would not approve of this man.