Dallas Wittgenfeld – A Recap
There’s been a lot of rambling and invective on the recent Wittgenfeld threads at TAH (here and here). As a result, it’s been easy to lose track of precisely what claims our “friend” Wittgenfeld actually has and has not made – and which of those claims are valid. Since he’s now entered in the Ballduster McSoulpatch Memorial Stolen Valor Tournament, it’s probably best to have that info immediately available. So I thought I’d take a shot at summarizing Wittgenfeld’s claims and their status.
If anyone finds what they feel to be an error in the information below, please let me know and I’ll correct it – provided I agree, of course. (And if you’re reading this, Wittgenfeld, the only way I’ll accept corrections from you is if they’re accompanied with paperwork you haven’t provided previously. Like a copy of your CIB orders, for example.)
The Legitimate Claims
1. Wittgenfeld claims to have served on active duty with the US Army. That claim is backed by his DD214 and his FOIA report. He served on active duty from Sep 1968 to July 1972.
2. He claims to be a Vietnam Veteran. This claim appears valid. Per the assignments section of his FOIA report, he served in-country from Aug 1969 to Aug 1970.
3. Wittgenfeld claims to have seen combat in Vietnam. This claim appears accurate. Per the assignments section of his FOIA report, Wittgenfeld saw combat in Vietnam with 2 different units. The first was D Co 151st Inf (Ranger) – which was reflagged D Co 75th Inf (Ranger) while Wittgenfeld was assigned to the unit (Aug 1969 to Apr 1970). The second was HQ 2nd Field Force Vietnam (HQ II FFORCEV) from Apr 1970 to Aug 1970.
4. Wittgenfeld claims to have an Air Medal for his service in Vietnam. This claim appears accurate. He was awarded one Air Medal, NOT for Valor, while assigned to HQ II FFORCEV. (The orders for this Air Medal have been removed from their former location on-line. However, I personally reviewed these orders prior to their removal from their former location on-line; they appeared legitimate. I will attempt to coordinate with the owner of the site where they were formerly posted to have them re-posted.)
5. Wittgenfeld claims he has two Purple Hearts. This claim appears accurate. He was awarded two Purple Hearts while assigned to HQ II FFORCEV.
6. Wittgenfeld claims to have been awarded the Army Commendation Medal with V Device (ARCOM w/V). That claim appears accurate. Per his DD214 and FOIA Report, he was awarded the ARCOM w/V, apparently while assigned to D Co 151st Inf (Ranger).
7. Wittgenfeld claims to be Airborne. That claim appears accurate. Per his DD214 and FOIA report, Wittgenfeld is Airborne qualified.
8. Wittgenfeld claims to have been a drill instructor. That claim appears accurate. After his return from Vietnam, per the assignments section of his FOIA report he served as a Drill Instructor (Oct 1970 – Jul 1972).
9. Per his DD214, Wittgenfeld received an honorable discharge.
10. Based on new information brought to my attention on 9 October 2012, it appears that Wittgenfeld’s CIB is legitimate as opposed to questionable. Apparently US Army Vietnam (USARV) – in an exception to Department of the Army regulation and policy of the day – authorized 05B RTOs serving with infantry units whose primary duties were to accompany infantry units on tactical operations to be awarded the CIB. While I have not yet personally located and verified the full text of the USARV exception, the exception is unambiguously referenced in a decision of the Army Board for Correction of Military Records (ABCMR). The ABCMR doesn’t tend to get things wrong.
OK, so much for the “good”. Now for the “bad” and the “ugly”. And, finally, my attempt to make sense of it all.
The Questionable Claims
1. Wittgenfeld claims to have a CIB. This claim is questionable. In fact, Wittgenfeld’s FOIA report and DD214 both indicate he has a CIB. However, the assignments section of his FOIA report indicates he never served in combat as (1) an infantry unit commander, (2) a formally-assigned advisor to RVN forces, or (3) as an infantry soldier (all his assignments in Vietnam were Radio Operator assignments in his primary MOS of 05B). His receipt of the CIB is thus highly questionable, as it appears to be invalid under the regulations of the day (para 96.a., AR 672-5-1, May 1961, w/amendments). Yes, it’s in his records. Whether it’s legitimate or not is another question.
This claim is no longer regarded as questionable. As noted above, Wittgenfeld apparently does legitimately rate the CIB under a US Army -Vietnam exception to DA regulations.
2. Wittgenfeld claims to be, and and promotes himself as, a former “Airborne Ranger”. This claim is arguably true, but – like Roger Maris’ single-season home run record – also comes with a rather large asterisk. Per his FOIA report and the assignments section of same, Wittgenfeld was an Airborne-qualified soldier assigned as a Radio Operator to a Ranger Unit in Vietnam. However, per those same documents Wittgenfeld did not attend Ranger School, is not Ranger qualified, and therefore does not rate the Ranger Tab. Use your own judgement as to whether you accept this claim by Wittgenfeld as valid. I personally don’t buy it – Ranger School has existed in one form or another since 1950, and Wittgenfeld served from 1968-1972 – but I appear to be in the minority on this issue and could well be wrong.
3. Wittgenfeld also claims (by wearing the awards publicly) that he served with a unit during a period for which it was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation (PUC), Valorous Unit Award (VUA), and Meritorious Unit Award (MUA). This claim is questionable if not outright false. I’ve checked the official Army listing of unit awards; none of Wittgenfelds units in Vietnam seem to be listed there – so none of them appear to have ever been awarded a PUC, VUA, or MUA. That means Wittgenfeld almost certainly isn’t authorized these unit awards for permanent wear – and thus shouldn’t be wearing them now. (His Vietnamese Unit Awards are probably legit; many if not most US Army units deployed to Vietnam received one or both of those.)
4. Wittgenfeld has also made claims of “skydiving in Vietnam to entertain the orphans”. Yeah, right. Sorry, but I’m gonna need independent verification from a disinterested party before I’ll buy that one. I’m calling this claim at best questionable if not an outright whopper of a lie.
The Bogus Claims
1. Wittgenfeld was cited multiple times in the past in published articles as having received a “Bronze Star for Valor”. There’s really only one place those reporters would have gotten that info: from Wittgenfeld himself, either by interviewing him personally or from written material provided by him. Follow this link for one example of such a false claim. Per Wittgenfeld’s DD214 and FOIA report, these claims are bogus – and IMO, so is Wittgenfeld’s current claim that he had no influence over what those reporters wrote about him in the past. The fact that there are several other similar articles near the end of the web page linked here IMO effectively disproves Wittgenfeld’s claims of innocence in this area. Could one reporter “screw the pooch” and get his decorations wrong? Yes. Several, all making the same identical mistake? Uh, no, I don’t think so. I’m calling this claim, and Wittgenfeld’s oblique denial that he bears any responsibility for the misinformation those stories, bogus.
2. Wittgenfeld also apparently hoodwinked the Special Forces Association into admitting him by reputedly making false claims of serving as an advisor to the “Royal Thai Army” and of being temporarily attached to the 11th Special Forces Group. These claims also appear to be bogus. No such assignments are documented in the assignments section of Wittgenfeld’s FOIA report. Rather, Wittgenfeld’s Purple Heart orders show him assigned to “RTAVF-SLS”. I’m reasonably certain this designation stands for “Royal Thailand Army Vietnam Forces – Staff (or maybe Strategic) Liaison Section”. His duty position there was 05B – Radio Operator (SLS). Providing comm support while assigned to a liaison team ain’t the same thing as advisory duty.
3. Wittgenfeld’s also made claims of being “Airborne Ranger Special Forces”, too. Those claims are also bogus – there are no SF assignments in his record whatsoever. Wittgenfeld’s claims of “hanging out” with the 11th SF while on “compassionate leave” don’t cut it – that’s neither formal assignment nor attachment, and I’ve seen nothing documenting that it even happened at all. Ditto his claims of being a Ranger Advisor to the Royal Thai Army (serving on a liaison team ain’t the same thing). Bottom line: Wittgenfeld never served with SF, either in CONUS or in Combat. He was never Special Forces, nor is he authorized to wear the Green Beret – period. Even if he did con his way into the Special Forces Association.
4. Finally, Wittgenfeld claims to have been a “LRRP” or “LRP” in Vietnam. This claim is bogus. Wittgenfeld was never a “LRP” or “LRRP” in Vietnam. His first unit there – D Co 151st Infantry – was indeed originally designated as a Long Range Patrol (LRP) unit. But that designation changed about 6 months before Wittgenfeld ever arrived. D Co 151st Infantry’s status and designation was changed in Feb 1969 from LRP to Ranger. Wittgenfeld arrived in Vietnam in Aug 1969, so he never served with a LRP unit in Vietnam – and he absolutely did not serve with the 101st as a LRRP, as he’s previously implied. Wittgenfeld served as an RTO while assigned to a Ranger unit. He never served in a LRP or LRRP unit.
The Asshattery
Other than the above, Wittgenfeld’s dealings with others are textbook examples of how to make enemies and influence people the wrong way. Read the comments by “LoNg RaNgE PaTrOL 41” starting here. Yes, that really is Wittgenfeld playing with the shift key like a teenage girl (or a spastic) and using that asinine screen name. And after reading those comments, you can probably decide for yourself whether his tournament nickname of “Flying Assclown” is apropos.
His abuse of the Army uniform and his disrespectful attitude towards other veterans, veterans’ supporters, and others in general are reprehensible. His narcissism is obvious in his staged photos, his deeds, and his words. He is also one of very few people I’ve ever even heard of to get arrested for flying a plane while intoxicated (2nd part of article here). And when you read Wittgenfeld’s own words, it’s easy to conclude that he’s also a racist.
In short: he’s a real piece of work. He’s definitely a legend in his own mind, and obviously thinks he deserves to be famous.
The rest of the world? Either “deserves to be infamous” or “Dallas Who?” is probably more a accurate description of how the rest of the world feels about Wittgenfeld.
Reconstruction of Events, AKA Reality
Here’s my reconstruction of what likely actually happened. I could be wrong, and if I’m presented documentary evidence I am, I’ll revise this.
D Co 151st Infantry (Long Range Patrol) was an Indiana National Guard unit. It was one of the few Army Reserve Component (USAR and ARNG) units mobilized and sent to Vietnam, and was the only National Guard Infantry unit so mobilized and deployed. This unit was mobilized in April or early May 1968, departed Indiana in mid-May for extensive pre-deployment training at Fort Benning, and deployed to Vietnam in December 1968. The unit was assigned to II FFORCEV. It was redesignated D Co 151st Infantry (Ranger) in Feb 1969.
Per Wittgenfeld’s FOIA, Wittgenfeld was not originally a member of D Co 151st Infantry – he enlisted after D Co 151st Infantry had departed for pre-deployment training. The assignments section of his FOIA shows Wittgenfeld began active duty in September 1968; attended basic training at Fort Campbell; Leaders Prep and 05B AIT at Fort Knox; Airborne School at Fort Benning; and then was assigned to the 82nd Airborne at Fort Bragg, arriving in April 1969. He served as an 05B – Radio Operator with the 82nd Airborne for approx 3 months, then ended up on orders for Vietnam. He arrived in Vietnam in late August 1969 and was assigned to D Co 151st Infantry (Ranger) shortly thereafter.
Wittgenfeld was thus never assigned to D Co 151st Infantry while it was designated a “Long Range Patrol” unit, arriving approx 6 months after the unit had been redesignated “Ranger”. He was most likely either an individual replacement or Regular Army cadre assigned to that unit because of the pending reflagging of that unit as D Co 75th Infantry (Ranger), which occurred in November 1969 and was almost certainly due to the end of the period of mobilization of D Co 151st Infantry. Wittgenfeld thus served in D Co 151st Infantry (Ranger) for 2 1/2 to 3 months, and then continued to serve with D Co 75th Infantry (Ranger) after his unit was reflagged. While assigned to D Co 151st Infantry (Ranger), Wittgenfeld apparently received an ARCOM w/V. Per his official records, his assignment with both units was as an 05B – IS Radio Operator.
Wittgenfeld’s reflagged unit of assignment, now D Co 75th Infantry (Ranger) continued as a part of II FFORCEV until April 1970. At that time, D Co 75th Infantry (Ranger) stood down. As a Active Duty soldier on a 1-year tour, Wittgenfeld still had several months remaining in-country. He was then transferred to HQ FFORCEV for the remainder of his time in-country.
Wittgenfeld appears to have been assigned to a HQ II FFORCEV Staff/Strategic Liaison Team (RTAVF-SLS) with the mission of providing II FFORCEV liaision between HQ II FFORCEV and a subordinate Royal Thai Army unit HQ (the Royal Thai Army Vietnam Forces were subordinate to II FFORCEV). Wittgenfeld’s duty assignment was 05B – Radio Operator (SLS); his duties doubtless consisted providing long-range comm support for the liaison team, most likely often relating to fire support provided by US artillery to Royal Thai Forces. This is in no way, shape, form, or fashion “duty as a Ranger advisor to Royal Thai Army Rangers”. While assigned to this liaison team, Wittgenfeld was wounded twice and received an Air Medal. He served with II FFORCEV for less than 4 months – from April to Aug 1970. Approx 10 days before Wittgenfeld’s one-year in country anniversary, he departed Vietnam for CONUS.
After departing for CONUS, Wittgenfeld took about 45 days combined leave and travel time. He arrived at Fort Knox, KY, in early Oct 1970. He served as a Drill Instructor at Fort Knox until his ETS in July 1972.
Wittgenfeld served honorably in dangerous and demanding assignments in Vietnam. He received both combat decorations and wounds. But was never “Special Forces”, a “Ranger Advisor”, a “LRRP”, or a “LRP”. He does not have the Ranger Tab. He was an Airborne-qualified RTO assigned to a Ranger unit for about 8 months, then was assigned as a radio operator for a liaison team from HQ II FFORCEV to a subordinate Royal Thai Army unit HQ for a bit less than 4 months. That’s all.
Coda
Wittgenfeld’s a rather sad case, actually. His military service was honorable, and based on what I’ve seen his claim of PTSD could well be legitimate. IMO he definitely seems to have operator headspace and timing issues.
But having issues is no excuse to be a liar and a out-of-control asshat. And IMO Wittgenfeld is both of those many times over.
Author Note: The original article castigated Wittgenfeld for falsely claiming to be an “Airborne Ranger” even though he does not have a Ranger Tab. However, the consensus of initial comments appears to be that service with a Ranger unit vice qualifying for the Ranger Tab entitles one to call himself a “Ranger” permanently. I’ve thus removed those portions of the original article and/or reworded them appropriately.
Jonn added: Here’s another picture I have of Wittgenfeld’s uniform with some SF beret flash on his pocket with the SF DUI stuck to it;
ADDED: Kevin writes to tell us that the SF thingie on his pocket is the SF Association’s thing. The SF Association told us that Wittgenfeld wouldn’t be a member these days because he’s been grandfathered from a time before they required documentation and he has none on file.
Category: Phony soldiers, Shitbags
Joe Williams: Army Award regs specify the recognized methods of both Ranger and SF qualification (both tabs are technically qualification badges). The current version is AR 600-8-22 (Dec 2006).
There are recognized methods of valid SF qualification during Vietnam that do not involve attending the Q-course. These methods are specified in para 8-49 of AR 600-8-22. During Vietnam, one either had to (1) serve 120 days with specified SF units (LRP/LRRP/Ranger units and advisory duty are NOT among those specified) PLUS receive the CIB during such service, or (2) serve with SF during wartime, be not required or unable to attend formal SF training, but be awarded the appropriate ASI anyway by competent authority. Fulfillment of either of these requirements can award the SF tab to the individual concerned. It’s my understanding that such award was/is not automatic and that concerned personnel need to apply and provide supporting documentation to be awarded the long tab.
For Ranger qualification (AR 600-8-22, para 8-48), there were no Vietnam-era exceptions. You either went to the school or you didn’t get the tab – period. All exceptions listed in AR 600-8-22 allowing award of Ranger qualification without Ranger School attendance are for Ranger service during World War II, which predates the beginning of formal Ranger training in 1950.
You’ll have to ask DA why wartime SF service in Vietnam can qualify someone for the SF tab while wartime Ranger service in Vietnam doesn’t do the same for the Ranger tab. I don’t understand it either, but it’s not my call and I wasn’t asked my opinion. (smile)
To Whom It May Concern:
There are times, when understatement better accomplishes the goal .
82 nd patch on his shoulder, what unit was he assigned to in the duece?
Regarding the CIB… I don’t know how relevant this may be, I hadn’t thought about it earlier until someone mentioned Navy guys receiving CABs. While I was in 25th LRSD in Afghanistan in 04-05, we where attached to a CAV unit, while we ran our own missions, our Direct Leadership was housed with said CAV unit. During this time I was awarded the CAV Spur… I am an 11B and do not rate the Spur, but I have the certificate nonetheless… Don’t know if that might be what kind of thing went down with his CIB, more of an honorary award for deeds completed with his Infantry unit, although he doesn’t rate wearing it. Possibly what happened?
Tanner: Wittgenfeld’s CIB made it into his official records somehow. It’s not an honorary award of same. But there are huge questions as to how and whether it’s legit.
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paratrooper82…: Per the assignments section of his FOIA report (see link in article above), Wittgenfeld was assigned to A Co 82nd Sig Bn from 2 Apr 1969 to mid-Jul 1969. He departed Bragg on Casual status en route to Vietnam on 15 Jul 1969.
Ok this has me intrigued now. As was noted earlier by Hondo, and yes I was aware, SF and ranger designations were very different in this time. But now I have been doing some digging, Field Force Vietnam had a lot of interesting ties that could ultimately support this many of this man’s claims. Again his cib could be honorary like my spur, which now that he’s retired he could wear if he wanted. However the blue discs and cord would still be a question to me. The LRP deal doesn’t surpise me, and I would say he’s probably honest in that regard, just because they reflagged the u.it from LRP to ranger, doesn’t mean they stopped operating as a lrp unit. My LRSD history is very similar, going from infantry to lrp to ranger to lrsd. When 25th LRSD was fco 75th ranger it was raj the same as it was when they changed us to 25th lrsd and put us under MI. Missions bassically stayed the same and our ranger standards and practices stayed in place, to include assesment and an ranger tab requirment for all leaders e5 and above. From reviewing field Force Vietnam I have found it tied as you may already know to MACV, not MACV SOG mind you, but MACV. FForcev has ties to the Thai volunteer army, which with the way things shuffled around in those days could have had the man working with them as a trainer alongside SF, I have no proof of that, but those days were very chaotic and unorganized in those types of roles. The man may still be lying, but he def has avenues for which I need more answers before completely throwing him under the bus. Blue cord and discs, that I need answers for. Cib I can live with as honorary or maybe a mistake. But I also know that if your an infantryman and u get assigned to a non infantry unit, you could be forced to take off ur cord and discs. So I wonder was that a practice of the time to… Read more »
Tanner, I have a set of CAV spurs and can attest that there is absolutely no MOS requirement for them at all. To qualify for the Order of the Spur a soldier must be serving with a CAV unit and either A) complete a Spur Ride in which you earn your silver spurs (not all units do this, mine didnt) or B) serve a combat tour with a CAV unit. Since your unit was attached to a CAV unit you would rate your spurs. There were some folks that were attached to our CAV unit who received their spurs the same way you did.
Btw typing from my phone, so apologies for shitty gramar.
As for Dullass, stop playing dress up dude. Its ok, not everyone can be high speed. You had an honorable record but now we will only remember you for you dicked up commentary, your dicked up uniform, and your ridiculous internet tough guy attitude. Go back to being a door gunner for the space shuttle fleet and fade to obscurity like the rest of the ass hats have once theyve been outed.
Ok so I rate them, but the army wouldn’t enter them into my official record when I retired, so I assumed I wasn’t allowed to wear them. I was told at one point I could only wear them during active duty if I was at a cav formal or something like that. But hey I was a dumb spec4 then and had no clue about much of anything at the time. But if I ra,te em cool, one more trinket lol. In response to Dallas tho, even if you are ultimately exhaunerated here, I still don’t like the way you are taking these guys on. What TAH does for us is indeed very neccessary, and I would not see them stop even if mistakes are made, that being if this is indeed a mistake. They aren’t out to badger those who have served honorably, but claiming shit one didn’t earn makes us all look bad and ultimately hurts the group rather than just the individual, so keep up the good work guys, if Dallas turns out to be innocent I hope he changes his tune and forgives. I would imagine it would be frustrating, but knowing the bigger picture, if it happened to me, I would say drive on with this honorable mission.
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Yeah man…I’ve said the same thing…
Uh, Tanner . . . “Cav spurs” are not an official Army award, decoration, or badge authorized and controlled by AR 600-8-22. I’m pretty sure only such officially recognized awards/decorations/badges go on the DD214, and that honorary awards don’t.
In contrast, the CIB is an officially-sanctioned Army combat badge. Criteria for award of the CIB is controlled by DA, and is specified in AR 600-8-22.
Take a look at the FOIAs on Wittgenfeld referenced in the article, as well as his DD214 (links to all of the above are found in the article above). These clearly show (1) Wittgenfeld’s CIB is in his official records, (2) Wittgenfeld never had an assignment as an advisor in Vietnam, (3) Wittgenfeld’s assignment to HQ II FFORCEV was as a Radio Operator (SLS) – indeed, ALL of his duty assignments in Vietnam were as an O5B radio operator. Yes, Wittgenfeld may well have served with the Thais – but per his official records, he apparently served as a radio operator providing comm support to the US liaison element to a Thai HQ, not as an infantry soldier or Ranger advisor. And the same is true of his service in D Co 151st Inf and D Co 75th Inf – his duty assignment in each unit was as an 05B Radio Operator, not as an 11B.
Wittgenfeld’s service with HQ II FFORCEV, and in Vietnam in general, was honorable service; he got 2 PHs and an Air Medal during the 4 mo (-) he served with them, plus an ARCOM w/V previously. Based on that alone, I’m sure it was duty with a fairly high APF. But per his official records, Wittgenfeld never served as any type of advisor to the Thai Army, or as an infantry soldier, while in Vietnam. He was a radio operator throughout his tour in-country.
If Wittgenfeld’s official records are incorrect, he needs to produce documentation showing that they’re incorrect. Otherwise, he should expect his claims to be questioned – ’cause they just don’t square with what’s in his official military records.
Ok, first the UH… Shit is unnecessary. I was an 11B and clearly stated I don’t know shit when it comes to the cav spur, nor did I ever honestly care. When I retired I handed all paperwork off awards to them so the could make sure they were all in my records. They told me it didn’t go, good enough for me, wasn’t worried about that. My point to you, sir, is not every damn thing one does in the army shows up in paperwork. and when running around in units such as that, it is possible that the man did shit you may not find records of. I’ll give a for instance. I was in 2-27 inf in 04 in the ghan, I was pulled via request and my volunteering to go to 25ths LRSD, its not in my record, because before we left country I went back to my line unit. I didn’t get along with the guys since I had not done assessment and they where disbanding upon return to schofield anyway so it was not worth my staying with the unit. The only thing I have noting that I was apart of LRSD is my spur order and my arcomm from that deployment. While apart of that unit we had three marine recon snipers attatched to us, as well as snipers from my line unit 2-27. We ran a task force called task force talon, which was an anti odd task force. We were told if it worked we might have formed a completely new force, it never went that far. But I have yet to be able to find any info of this online, so the only way I could back it up is with other members of that unit. Shit happens, and paper trails aren’t always perfect. Now his award is in his orders, great I get that he was a radio operator, that still doesn’t mean he was not a ranger. In lrsd we had comm guys in our detatchment, they where not infantry, but they were lrsd and had made it… Read more »
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Wigetfield says, “Nowhere in this summary does it mention that while you Iraq & Afghan war punks are impuning me…”
This statement in and of itself proves without any doubt, he is a complete class “A” jackass. It is recommended therefore, that he be awarded an old and soiled toilet seat to wear around his neck.
He still has not addressed me directly!
Tanner: I understand where you’re coming from. In the article and in comment 37 above, I address the “Ranger” issue, I may well be in the minority there.
However, you might want to take a look at Wittgenfeld’s many false claims from the past (take a look here – http://scotty-stolenvaloroffendersexposed.blogspot.com/2012/06/dallas-wittgenfeld-army-embellish-er.html ). After seeing all those bogus claims and his other flaky and/or asshattish behavior, I’m not inclined to cut him much slack at all. So if he’s gonna claim something, it best be “by the book” or I’m going to point out the fact that he’s making yet another questionable claim.
Regarding his CIB: unless Wittgenfeld has something to prove he worked as an infantryman somewhere along the line in Vietnam, I’ll continue to question that too. An “honorary” CIB doesn’t make it into one’s official records, and that’s in his official records. And his official records show only 05B radio operator service in Vietnam.
If you’ll read the comments on the original Wittgenfeld thread ( http://valorguardians.com/?p=29627 ), you’ll see I was originally one of Wittgenfeld’s defenders, and initially gave him the benefit of the doubt. He convinced me otherwise by being a complete asshole, coupled with my doing a bit more research. I’m now convinced he’s a soldier who served quite honorably in Vietnam – hell, service as an RTO with a Ranger unit, Airborne Qualified, 2 PHs, an Air Medal, an ARCOM w/V, and 18mo as a drill sergeant is pretty damned impressive for less than 4 years active duty and a single combat tour. But for whatever reason, that wasn’t enough for Wittgenfeld – and he’s been blowing his own horn to make everybody believe he’s “John Wayne reincarnated” ever since.
The Order of the Spur…. can be awarded through a unit assessment/qualification during peacetime to a trooper of any MOS and each Squadron has it’s own Spur Program which was approved by the Squadron or Regimental Commander. Units’ programs varied from high;y professional skills/knowledge/leadership/ gut check to straight up hazing (ugh…). Can also be worn for combat service in any MOS while assigned or attached to a Cavalry Squadron/Regiment. This is not a DA recognized award, but purely local. The award certificate (no orders are cut as it is not DA recognized) typically states that spurs and Stetsons are to be worn at Cavalry functions as directed by the commander. That could mean wearing all at beer call through Regimental dining in but not at the installation dining out or attending as an invited guest to another branch’s function. This goes hand-in-hand with honorary awards such as the the Order of Saints George, Maurice, Barbara. Worn at specific functions but not in your official military personnel file as they are not official awards. So enjoy the fact that someone thought enough of you to honor you with one of these awards but it is not an officially recognized service award or decoration. It is purely a unit program and while nice to have is a local or branch specific unofficial award. Thus it cannot in itself be used as proof that a soldier is entitled to other awards, qualifications, or decorations. For example: 1. As a cavalry troop commander I tested and passed the EIB with my 11C mortar-men. Great for moral, but not entitled to an EIB. 2. Served with an infantry brigade in combat as S3 in the BDE Cav Sqdn. 19C MOS so no CIB. 3. While on joint duty flew 150+ missions (back seat F-16 on flight status) as class 3 air crewman. Class 3 means SLLUG (Self Loading Luggage). No MOS training = no crew member wings. Class 3 crew-member is not eligible means that I was not eligible for an Air Medal for every 10 missions flown inside the SA-2/5 targeting radar range as… Read more »
Exactly my point re: Wittgenfeld, Elric. His service was honorable, and he received a number of bona fide decorations – at least one of which was for valor. He had many legitimate things to be proud of. But all of that apparently wasn’t enough for him.
Honorable service, yes, however the fact he is an abominable bucket of douche kind of negates all of that, IMO.
Plus all the shit he’s embellishing.
Redacted1775: I’ll still respect his service and regard that as honorable. But the individual? No. I have no respect for liars that act like complete assholes.
I’d like to throw out a vote not to put Mr. Wittgenfeld alongside these other guys. We know that on his shortsheet of achievements, there’s no speculation that he earned his place at the hero table. Sure, there’s some indulgence in building his own mythology. Converting an ARCOM with a V into a Bronze Star, the Green Beret thing. I saw my friend’s ARCOM W/V citation, and it read like what should have been a Bronze Star, except for the inevitable downgrade for a PFC. I have a sour taste, when they hand it out to E7 and above folks that never left the wire. The CIB? It’s hard not to be cynically aloof concerning it when you see it denied a couple of platoons who never saw contact, but then got it as part of a brigade blanket order. With all of that, it leaves me extremely troubled about making hey out of Wittgenfeld’s record. He saw contact, he sustained wounds. If there are doubts about his CIB, what about the kid that got one for sitting in the JCOC for 9 months? As for the whole Green Beret thing – there’s an absence of contrition, to be sure. I was in a Guard LRSD for a few months between coming off active duty and joining my Air Force ex-wife at DLI in California. While in reality the only distinction between them and line infantry in the Guard was that they went out to the field on drill weekends instead of haunting the armory, and were on jump status, they still held themselves to be far more special. There was an egregious layer of self-aggrandizing bullshit, and I imagine that didn’t even start in the Vietnam era. I came off active duty to that unit from 1/501st in Alaska, and the number of tabless/scroll-less “Bat Boy Rangers” was staggering. In my experience at the Rakkasans and 501st, the tabless/scroll-less bat boys couldn’t cut the mustard in the 75th at what was then RIP. But a lot of them had scroll tattoos and thought they were special. At least Wittgenfeld… Read more »
For crying out loud, at least he’s not Gordon Duff!
Okay, so he’s the SECOND-dumbest kid on the short bus.
“He will be our GOD…he can eat soup!”
Have to disagree, BK. IMO, people like Wittgenfeld and Aden deserve even more scorn than the run-of-the-mill military phoney.
People like Wittgenfeld and Aden actually served honorably in demanding assignments – and in Wittgenfeld’s case, also with valor and significant sacrifice. But that wasn’t enough for them. They had to make others believe they were some reincarnation of Audie Murphy or SGT York. So they misled people about what they did in order to make the gullible believe they were.
As I said previously: I honor Wittgenfeld’s service. But I have no use for the individual. He forfeited my respect when he started making misleading, self-aggrandizing claims – some of which were simply false – and claiming honors and accomplishments he never rated.
And in the former VP’s words: he’s also an asshole. Major league.
Asshole in the sense that he pisses on the sacrifice that people not named Dallas Wittgenfeld have made, in some cases far beyond anything he ever even dreamt of. I’ll put an Iraq/Afghan vet who has done multiple tours over DullASS any day of the week, mostly because the former is highly unlikely to brag and bullshit about what they did, and has respect for their fellow veteran, regardless of what theater they served in or whether or not they even saw combat.
These are fair points.
Aden troubles me more than Wittgenfeld. Wittgenfeld still does something to honor troops past and present, even if he’s bumped up his resume. Aden’s 18B claims, on the other hand, are clearly and shamelessly aimed at getting into office and establishing a credibility he could have garnered with the truth.
My main gripe: why does it always have to be paratroopers? Jesus, we jumped from airplanes! That was always enough to elicit more than the obligatory “wow” from civilians even in peacetime. At the Passover table, those of us of the Heeb persuasion recount the plagues of Egypt and for each one, we say, “dayenu,” or “it would have been enough for us.” Dayenu, serving alone is enough for us! Serving in a Ranger unit in Vietnam, dayenu!
Ah, well. Wittgenfeld probably could undo a lot of the harm done just by sheepishly saying, “okay, I embellished just a little bit,” perhaps apologize for the misogynistic and subhuman attacks on Mrs. Schantag. I gather that won’t happen.
BK: I wouldn’t recommend holding my breath waiting for Wittgenfeld to apologize. I’m guessing he never will.
But as has been observed here at TAH before: no one ever lies about being a clerk or a cook. They almost always seem to lie about being “high speed/low drag” killers.
I don’t know that it’s axiomatic that the “real deal” will not brag about what they did.
My first platoon sergeant had a combat patch for each day of the week. That old-looking scroll for Grenada, a scroll for Panama, 7th Corps (so you know at least this one he might have worn MOPP-4 for a week) for the Persian Gulf, and 10th MTN (2/14) for Mogadishu. I think he had a SCUBA bubble or something. I know he was quoted in a bunch of articles about Mogadishu, and I have no reason to believe he wasn’t the real deal in any capacity, but he surely talked about it all the time. I liked his stories, but what I learned from him is that the desire to be center-stage all the time doesn’t end with combat experience.
BK: obviously I didn’t phrase my last comment correctly.
It’s been my experience that most who’ve served in combat don’t brag about their experience. Most will talk a bit about what they’ve done if the discussion lends itself, but they’ll then let it go. But some will brag – not many in my experience, but some will. And a few, like Wittgenfeld and Aden, will both brag and embellish.
What I was trying to say was that I don’t think I’ve seen many (if any) absolute “making it up out of whole cloth” phonies claim to have served as a clerk/mechanic/cook/etc . . . . The vast majority of them have claimed to be a CIA/SF/SEAL/Ranger/Airborne/fighter jock/”so classified I can’t talk about it”/(insert favorite “high speed/low drag” occupation here) killer. They just never seem to want to lie and claim they did something ordinary.
It’s so true…everyone goes for the the brass ring when they manufacture service stories. The only phonies I’ve seen aim lower are the effective con men.
The only time I ever used being airborne qualified as a vaginal attractor went poorly – she was gorgeous, but accessorized with a spit can. I do resent this class of subhuman that is able to leverage audacious claims of derring-do for personal benefit, if only for the incredulity I receive for having been a paratrooper. Maybe it’s the whole “Woody Allen with a M-4” motif, I dunno.
Yeah, I’ll call bullshit on that vote to to throw out Wittgetfucked and move that a permanent spot on the Wall of Shame be reserved for a weekly photoshopped portait of his visage.
What, exactly, does he “still do for the troops”? Oh, we’ve heard dozens of claims and constant bluster, but no evidence substantiating his claims, only real-life AND cyber attacks on those who both served honorably and CONTINUE to actually work their collective asses off for veterans.
Tanner, BK, and those couple real deal 75th Rangers and a few others are the only smart people on here.
Everybody on my real deal 75th Rangers missions gets the C.I.B. people…. If you are a cook and carry an m-16 into a long range patrol team and killed some gooks. You are with C.I.B. there after. Common knowledge EXCEPT, here with these young brainiacs hereon.
Dig deep enough and you will find all Ranger/LRP RTOs became 11F-2P secondary MOS to qualify P.F.C. Airborne Ranger me for (jump-pay)and the C.I.B. officially … no honory C.I.B.s men.
Also you guys only found 6 or so mistakes in over a hundred newspapers articles about me. NOW, I am on here because of that. STOP IT …. Is there anybody else on this thread that has had more than a hundred good newspaper articles about them. 10 percent media mistakes or more is common knowledge also.
I have never wore a bronze star, bragged about a bronze star or being a qualified Green Beret. BUT I was trained by Green Beret/Rangers in Vietnam at the MCAV-SOG echelon and I was later an advisor in the jungle with the Thai Rangers of the RTAVF and Green Beret Colonel was my Commander and which easily qualifing me to Special Forces Association life membership.
I was also the Military Order of the Purple Heart “Patriot of the Year” on recommendation of the Florida State Commander. what have you people been doing…. THIS..?
Wittgenfeld: you’re full of it. The folks above were defending your right to call yourself a Ranger, which is at least arguable. They were not defending your CIB. No 11-series MOS or no 11-series duty assignment = NO LEGITIMATE CIB. That was as true in 1969-1970 as it is today – go read the regs yourself (the link is in the article). Your records don’t show any 11-series assignments while you were in Vietnam – period. All of your assignments there were as an 05B radio operator.
What I’ve seen of your records doesn’t show any “11F-2P” SMOS either, Wittgenfeld. And someone with MOS 11F during Vietnam was an “Infantry Operations And Intelligence Specialist”. Given your 05B background and the fact you had less than 2 years on active duty when you left Vietnam, there’s no way in hell you’d have gotten 11F as a secondary MOS. That requires training, skills, and experience that a very junior RTO just doesn’t have. So how about you quit “blowing smoke” and pulling stuff out of your 4th point of contact like a clueless idiot?
By the way, Wittgenfeld: in case you didn’t know, the term “gook” is considered a racist slur today. Oh, wait – sorry, I forgot that you don’t seem to care about using racist language.
Wittgenfeld, you fat mass of blubber. You said: “,,, I am a 63 year old disabled man ,,,,,,”. Do you think that is supposed to open the door to a pity party? You are a liar and a thief. Let’s play the age thing here…. You STOLE a photo, (by claiming it as your work), and then accused the owner of it of stealing it from you, all from a nearly 72 year old citizen. This citizen is NOT a senior citizen, and is not sucking ass for a pity party by impuning the service of honorable people like you and the mess that you run with on Facebook, making childish posters, false accusations, and outlandish statements to recent, very respectable widows.
You are a fat lyin, thievin piece of shit, and I wonder if you are even still jumping. Haven’t seen any proof of that, haven’t heard the ground quake and shake with your heavy ass landing anywhere around the Deland Air Park…. You lose.
“Everybody on my real deal 75th Rangers missions gets the C.I.B. people….” YOUR real deal 75th Rangers missions huh. What do you have a fricking airsoft league named 75th Rangers you ass hat? As far as what were we doing goes, some of us here actually have been places and done things that we are proud of instead of having to make up our record as we go along. Cough up some legit orders for all this shit that you wear and then maybe, just maybe someone here might believe you. At this point though, I would have to see proof from God himself before I believed anything you said Dullass.
I don’t know guys. This discussion is dead to me. I’m still not convinced it’s actually him posting on here because an IP address (whether the same as a previous post or not) does not verify anything. Could be some bored ass kid on here just trolling, or not, who knows. I’m not sure about the CIB or Green Beret thing. About the only way this shit gets solved is by speaking in person. Out…
http://truthaboutharassment.blogspot.com/2012/07/stolen-valor-faces-of-valor-vultures.html?spref=fb
Wittgenfeld: Is that the best you can do? Really? Hell, if I couldn’t come up with better than that, I’d be ashamed to post anything for public viewing. That’s lame.
Do you really think anyone (besides that circle-jerk of other tools with questionable resumes and histories you call “friends”) gives a damn about the cartoonish, juvenile, asinine crap you post on Facebook?
You really are a pathetic fool.
Wow, thats pretty creative there Dullass. Almost as creative as my third grade cousin. Hell, I think my third grade cousin could have come up with some better insults than the ones you tagged all those photos with. Oh and hey Dullass, if youre going to try to run a facebook page in support of folks who have PTSD its wise to not post angry rants and hate speech. Those of us who have PTSD dont tend to thrive well in that sort of environment. Nice try though loser.
I’m sorry, but did he really photoshop Harry Potter glasses, a Hitler ‘stache, and a penis onto TSO’s face?? Seriously?
Excuse me while I go file suit against this juvenile idiot so that I may seek compensation for the Vernor’s I just spit out at the utter immaturity displayed.
ROS: I’m guessing he had someone use Photoshop for him and told them what he wanted. Wittgenfeld doesn’t strike me as capable of actually figuring out how to use Photoshop on his own.
This guy is a loony toon.
Hondo- Methinks you’re spot-on. Sadly, he gave Jonn’s statue a larger phallus than the one drawn on TSO’s face.
Amateur.
http://newsblaze.com/photo/20100514/military1_jpg
Dallas can go on accusing anyone and everyone who questions his manner of dress, when all he has to do is to refer to the very branch of service to either support or disprove his claims, He, being a former Non Commissioned Officer should have referred to the AR 670-1. Yet he wants to play kiddy games and make himself look like a total loon by posting crap such as this- http://truthaboutharassment.blogspot.com/2012/07/expose-poser-facebook-hunters-harassers.html, I have been on the fence about Dallas and his claims from the get go, I actually took the time to call members of his former units, researched the unit history, dig into Army regs to find something to point either way if he was legit or a scam. The unit history to an extent backs his claims as far as his training, his unit was trained in Nam by SF, but was Dallas there when the actual training took place?? According to former members of his unit he was not present at the time the unit was being trained, and arrived after the fact, he’s like the cat who replaced Ringo when the Beatles toured Australia, yeah, he was a drummer, but was he an ACTUAL Beatle?? Dallas MOS was officially an RTO, not Infantry, yet he sports the CIB (which is on his 214), now, the question is, did he actually earn it,or did he have a buddy in the S-shop who fluffed his record?? What needs to be found out now: Are there any other SMs in Vietnam who got the CIB while NOT being a grunt?? Does SF pin everyone in a team, regardless of MOS or specialty with an Infantry award?? Find the answer to that question and then decide if he is legit. As for the ass cracker who says the Marines are more squared uniform wise (#33) and say the Army needs one uniform like the Marines, dude the Marines have so many variations of dress, they have to take out a second mortgage to pay for them all
Correction dilly Dallas. I have 14 ( That’s 4 more then the ten fingers you count with ) news paper articles of you claiming the Bronze Star with Valor. That’s at least 14 times that you allowed that one lie to be published about you. And that happened right after you returned from RVN. ( 1972-76 ) Now instead of dressing up as a clown to entertain the crowds. You just use the Army uniform itself as your costume. Then you insult the very same combat troops that you claim to be preforming for in order to collect donations for. Bottom line Wittgenfeld. The internet caught up with your embellishing ass & has exposed you for the POS that you are.You’ve made a living enhancing your Military history and you’ve been caught. Time for you to be a man for once in your life & face the truth. PS. I know your gonna come back with your normal guess how many f/b accounts Scotty has had de-activated.Like how long does it take to create a new account. Your such a childish moron. Say hi to all your poser buddies that you hang out with now. Most of which we have busted for their lies just like you. http://scotty-stolenvaloroffendersexposed.blogspot.com/2012/06/dallas-wittgenfeld-army-embellish-er.html
Strike and Kill: any heartburn with me contacting you via e-mail? Would like to compare notes.
http://truthaboutharassment.blogspot.com/2012/08/cyber-stalking-yes-it-is-crime.html?spref=fb
VIRGINIA STATUTES; “Cyber-Stalking”
Last updated: January 11, 2012
§ 18.2-152.7:1
If any person, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, or harass any person, shall use a computer or computer network to communicate obscene, vulgar, profane, lewd, lascivious, or indecent language, or make any suggestion or proposal of an obscene nature, or threaten any illegal or immoral act, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
§ 18.2-186.4. Use of a person’s identity with the intent to coerce, intimidate, or harass; penalty.
It shall be unlawful for any person, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, or harass another person, to publish the person’s name or photograph along with identifying information as defined in clauses (iii) through (ix), or clause (xii) of subsection C of § 18.2-186.3, or identification of the person’s primary residence address. Any person who violates this section is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
Any person who violates this section knowing or having reason to know that person is a law-enforcement officer, as defined in § 9.1-101, is guilty of a Class 6 felony. The sentence shall include a mandatory minimum term of confinement of six months.
(2001, cc. 775, 782; 2007, c. 736; 2010, c. 767.)
Take down all your shit about me or I am going to send the Virginia State Police a formal charge on Lilyea at Ft. Ashby,Virginia. Scotty Hughes already went to jail recently. 🙂 THE LRRP COMETH….
You f’n retard.
Ah Ft Ashby, Virginia…no finer place!