Dane Seiber; the Special Forces tattoo dude
So one of our friends ran into this guy, Dane Seiber, at the local voting station last year. Well, I’ll let him tell the story;
He had a HUGE SF decal on his truck with 777 under it. I waited and coin checked him. He kind of looked at my coin like a deer in headlights. He was very vague and didn’t seem to want to talk about “Group”.
I told him about a secret “vetted” site on FaceBook for only SF qualified people. He said to find him on FB. I was never able to.
Months later, I saw him comment on a thread of a friend we shared. He had an SF Crest as a profile pic, an SF action pic as a Banner, and pics of him wearing an SF shirt and his SF Tattoo on his calf.
I started commo with him and told him I was in the 7th, he then said he was in the 5th and 11th as an 18D….back in November he claimed 7th. hmmmm
He then went on to state that he DID NOT want me to get him vetted as he was a private person. LOL, for being a private person he sure did have a lot of SF stuff posted.
I asked him some further vetting questions that only an 18D would know and he blocked me from further commo…… That’s when I decided to send for his stuff.
Below is our commo before being blocked, his pictures, and the FOIA stuff I received back.
Our Friend; Dane, what’s with the SF Crest? I was 7th grp. I’m also in a vetted SF group with 2300 fully vetted SF troops. Is this something you want into? Did you graduate the Q-course?
Dane Seiber; I’m retired. 18D. Do I know you? Served with 5th. and 11th
Our Friend; Probably not. I saw your profile pic of the SF Crest on a friends post we share. You want me to throw your name out in the vetted SF Brothers and have someone bring you in? Did I Coin check you up at the voting booth a number of months ago? I saw an SF Crest on a van and met a dude from group at the voting booth.
Dane Seiber; Yeah That was me. Im good thanks for asking. But I don’t want to be on face book pages or anything. I like being private. Just my way. Hope you understand
Our Friend; I thought I saw an ODA from the 7th on the vehicle.
Ok on the group add then?
Dane Seiber; Please no group add. But ty u.
Our Friend; Sounds good
Dane Seiber; Be careful what you put on line. All the military groups are being monitored.
Our Friend; I hear ya
Dane Seiber; And no in not crazy. Lol. Maybe a bit paranoid.
Our Friend; I thought you said you were in 7th grp?
Our Friend; Hello?
Notice in his Tattoo pic he still has the SF Crest as a profile pic. Also, notice on his action pic he has for a Banner, He changed his name by deleting the last two letters. That only lasted a few hours before he went back to his real name.
So, here are his records;
And his assignments;
And the famed tattoo;
So, being an 05B radio operator in the 82d Signal Battalion and in the Berlin Brigade is just like being in the Special Forces. I think they’re right down Ardennes from each other, only mile or so.
Now the 11th SFG is a reserve unit, but the 7th and the 5th are active duty units – and those are two of three groups with which he said he served. His active records don’t reflect that service. He used to have this as his banner on Facebook;
Since this little encounter, he’s changed it;
Category: Phony soldiers
I’m trying o read this on my phone, but does that say 5 years active duty, and 15 years reserve…and he was discharged as a PFC?
Active duty reads October of 1981 to April 1986. I don’t get the April 2000 bit either.
I need to get me some ink. I am thinking the MCCES emblem and motto, “The Key To Success In Battle Is Effective Communications”. I think that means to throw a PRC-77 at the Taliban.
Wow…5th, 7th and 11th. Has a tattoo as well? If you have a tattoo it must be real? What a tabless cunt poser.
At some point, these guys become excessively boring.
Matthew Beck’s long lost mentor….
Turd.
DAMMIT, GT, you beat me to it! Oh well, here’s my thought of the moment concerning him:
Limp-dicked, pus-nuts, peckerheaded, dime-a-dozen wannabe!
served 4 1/2 yrs in the Army during the Reagan years and got out as an E3? someone fucked up.
Hory clap!! What a hero.
I’ve never had the desire to embellish my less-than-stellar military career. I’ll just go with my mundane record, although the older I get the better I was.
Another Division guy posing as a Group guy. Never ends. Qualification by being in the AO.
That SF crest pic he had as a background is a Solovey print (google him if youve never seen his work) done specifically for 7th Group. I have one of the numbered prints on a plaque from one of my old teams. Not something a 5th grouper would have up there.
C37
http://www.soloveyart.com/soc.htm
“Red Badge of Courage”
About halfway down the page…
Back in the day you used to be able to take correspondence courses and do a couple of weeks and get the SF tab. It was referred to as a “paper tab”. My unit in the 20th Group had a few of these. Our CSM, who was a 101 Vietnam vet had one. However, if the records from St. Louis do not include his reserve 2-1, that is interesting. Reserves and Active Duty generally keep records together better than National Guard. And for the record, I have a copy of a 2-1 that says I was an 18E. I was never qualified, just filling a slot to make money and enjoy being a non-qual guy in an SF unit. I do have an “Airborne” tattoo, but I am a weak FAG (former action guy).
Just curious, is the army of occupation medal a Berlin BDE thing?
@ 14, all answers right here, short version, they still awarded it up until 1990 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Occupation_Medal
After WWII it was a Berlin Bde thing. Another medal to make me look like a south american dictator. 5-502nd 87-89.
Silly pogues…
Hate to say it, but there are so many guys out their that are so bad he’s nothing but a minor dingleberry in the cess pool that is stolen valor. Hes has a long way to go before he reaches the Status of humongous terds like Danny Crane or Ron Mailhan.
Props to the real SF guy that didn’t rip this turd’s throat out after finding out he’s a dickbutt poser.
You gotta be committed to get a phony tattoo
Appears from facebook he has a brother that wears an EFMB on his motorcycle vest. You’d think his brother would call BS.
Getting fake B.S. tatooed on is retarded.
He’s completely changed his FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/DaneSEIb
Oh snap…his FB is kinda open too. You can comment on his wall.
I. Just. Don’t. Get. It.
What is it with folks pretending to be things they never were? Why the fake bullshit tattoos and unit crests and FB banners? For pete sakes, this doofus was a paratrooper and served in the 82d ABN DIV, and he still felt the need to embellish and make shit up? For cryin out loud…
@14. The AOM was given to Berlin Brigade Soldiers in lieu of the OSR.
He only spent a year with Division before PCS’ing to W. Berlin. That’s unusual in itself. Maybe he was a “terminator” as well.
@16. Remember the imbiss outside Andrews Barracks? Best. Doner Kebabs. EVER.
WTF… I love these posers who go and get themselves permanently inked as a part of the posing. He will never be able to say he did not claim to be SF, unless he spends over a grand getting that ink covered, or more to have it removed. Something he really should considering how vigilant Special Forcers Soldiers are about protecting their image.
Posers suck ass…
@ 25 UMMMM…. doner kebabs and heffe Weiss.
I was only lucky enough to have the service take me to Germany twice. Both to CMTC in the winter ( one OPFOR augmentation and one MRX). I was trying to remember the name of the Gasthaus across from the bahnhoff in Paarsberg. Best jagerschneitzel.
Ledden B. has there been a good history of the Berlin BDE written?
@27. About the Brigade itself? Nothing in hardcopy to my knowledge.
Here’s a link to the BB website, though:
http://www.berlinbrigade.com/
It has a short history and a lot of pics.
LebbenB: correct. Until German reunification, West Berlin was technically still occupied German territory and thus qualified for the Army of Occupation Medal. Army policy at the time disallowed the receipt of the OSR for any overseas tour for which a campaign or expeditionary medal was awarded (the AOM technically qualifies as a campaign medal). Thus, in the 1980s the policy was Berlin duty got the AOM and no OSR.
That policy has since been changed – my recollection is that the change occurred in the 2005/2006 timeframe. Per HRC, soldiers who (1) served an overseas tour for which a campaign or expeditionary medal was awarded, (2) who also received credit for completing an overseas tour, AND (3) who served on active duty or in the Active Reserve on/after 1 August 1981 may now apply retroactively for the OSR(s) for those tours. See last answer under the FAQ at
https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR
@19 These turds are not worth doing time for, even if they do deserve a beat down on general principle….
I am still amazed at the daily revelation of yet another liar, each day I am reminded that this is why people don’t mind voting for liars and frauds because apparently many of the people casting votes are liars and frauds so everybody just keeps lying to each other and pretending it’s all good, even when it isn’t….
We will indeed collapse under our own weight as a nation if we continue this path of celebrating celebrity over substance, fluff instead of character, and self-gratification over sacrifice. The average American has to be as dumb as a bag of rocks, with only 0.8% of the population serving in the military and less than 1% of that number involved in SF how can anyone think there are so many former SEALS, Rangers, etc…walking around everywhere?
@29. That timeframe sounds about right. Up until that time, I had a “2” on my OSR even though I had three overseas tours – 2x Germany and one of Korea. I received the AOM for Berlin and OSRs for my second tour of Germany and Korea.
June 8, 1981 to April 28, 2000. That’s short of 19 total years of service. Either he chose not to continue on to 20, or “something” took that option away from him.
For both active and reserve, those that reach 18 years are given an opportunity to extend/stay in until they reach 20. Now, that’s not guaranteed. Even if you’re in sanctuary, you could still be removed as a result of a major screw up. This guy might have a disciplinary issue under his belt.
@ Veritas
“The average American has to be as dumb as a bag of rocks,”
Like those knuckleheads that were willing to sign a petition to repeal the Bill of Rights? 😀 The movie, Idiocracy, made people laugh not realizing that part of the creator’s intent was to poke fun at that point:
I wonder if its a real tattoo or if he just stole the photo from someone else. Tattoo looks pretty shitty, and is missing a ranger tab (right now it’s a meatless sandwich) so I hope it’s on him, and not one of my brothers who is actually qualified.
I used to get all bent out of shape when meeting guys who were supposedly in the Corps, especially when 3 out of 4 turned out to be completely full of __it. I had no mercy in calling them to the carpet, especially when they claimed a wartime deployment. My favorite was a co-worker who claimed a wash-down in Somalia…yep, Somalia- in the 2003-2006 time frame no-less. I used to get such pleasure in seeing how fast I put a guy into Mel Tillis mode, but as I get older, that joy has really turned into pity.
PS- The “gentleman” above had no less than 6 EGA decals on his truck and even sported a high and retarded to work. When I was complete in my mission, the EGA’s were gone and replaced by “Ain’t Skeered” “Git R Done” and some various other GW/Cheney goodies. The hair also came back to an out of regs low-reg (at best). My mission commenced upon his acknowledgement of receiving a page 11 “meritorious award”.
No, I had no shame. Today, I just shake my head and carry-on. What to do other than pity these fools?
CR = Marine “Mr T” 😀
I worked very hard to earn my PowerPoint Ranger patch and tab. Don’t think I’ll get the tattoo, though.
thebesig: actually, only those Reserve Component personnel who complete 18 years cumulative active duty are guaranteed retention on active duty until 20 years total active service (commonly called “sanctuary”). That’s prescribed by Federal law and allows them to retire immediately under active-duty rules vice waiting until age 60 to begin drawing retired pay. In the Army, even that can be waived if the tour of active duty which causes them to exceed 18 years total active service is (1) voluntary and (2) the individual signed the mandatory waiver statement pre-printed on the back of the DA 1058-R when requesting said voluntary active duty. I saw a guy try to play that game once (sign the waiver statement, then try to get sanctuary because he’d gone over 18 years active service during the tour). He failed. Barring “sanctuary” as described above, a reservist serving in a reserve-only capacity (e.g., not on active duty) is not guaranteed a damn thing until they have 20 years of service qualifying for reserve retirement. It is eminently possible for a reservistto have 18 or more years of service and be discharged vice qualifying for retirement. That can happen any number of ways: normal ETS, separation due to non-participation, other admin separation, 2x nonselection for promotion (officers), UCMJ action, “show-cause” board, etc . . . . It is also possible for someone in the reserves to serve for more than 20 years total service but end up being discharged vice retiring. Not all reserve service automatically qualifies for retirement; you must earn a specified number of retirement points annually (50 per year during one’s “retirement year” – which is generally not the same as a calendar year). Someone in a drilling unit who makes AT and most of their weekend drills will earn the required number of points; persons in IMA or IRR status often have to do additional work (usually professional eduction via correspondence) to do so. If someone leaves the reserve components with 22 years total service and has 3 or more non-qualifying years, they leave with a discharge vice a retirement. They also… Read more »
Busted a MOH winner last night.
Got a smoking cool picture.
More to follow….
@38….OMG …..on pins and needles….(claps hands….goodie goodie goodie… 😀 )
OK, I’m baffled at how someone could be in the RC for 15 years and leave as a PFC. I guess they don’t have RCPs (Retention Control Points, better known as “up or out”) for the reserves, but still….Damn! I’ve seen (and been in) RC units where having a pulse will get you at least to E-5. @37: Yes, Hondo is correct, there’s no “safe harbor” for the RC, although it’s pretty stupid to get to 19 years and then get discharged when staying one more year will get you the bennies of retirment (albeit most of them don’t kick in until age 60.) FWIW, I’m a “gray area retiree” myself, retired from the NG in 2005 after a little over 23 years, of which I think I have credit for 21, and 12 of those are active duty. It’s a bit OT, but I’ll explain for the benefit of those who have never been in the RC: “Retirement years” in the RC work like this: The day you enter the reserves becomes your “RYE” (RYE=Retirement Year Ending)date. For example, I first entered the CO NG in April of 1983 so my RYE date was in April (even though I had prior active duty.) So each year, you have to accumulate 50 Retirement Points in order to have a “good year” for retirement purposes. Points could be accumulated a number of ways: You get 15 points just for being in a drilling reserve unit, then you get one point for each UTA (Unit Training Assembly – basically half a day of weekend drills) and one point for each day of active duty (like Annual Training – the “Two week summer camp” that most RC units do.) Since most units drill 12 times a year for a weekend, that’s 4 points per drill or 48 points just for showing up at drill. You can actually miss your AT and still have a “good” year for retirement. You can also get points by taking correspondence courses and in some cases you can work in the unit during the regular week not for… Read more »
OK I have to ask, I know for a fact tattooing the Budweiser is frowned upon, even within the UDT teams I’ve heard of 2 ppl (in a comment by Don Shipley) what about on other SF? the tattoo says 5th, but no disrespect intended but holy crap that is a HORRIBLE tattoo! if you are getting something that important to you why not spend more than 39.99 for “El Cheapo Tattoo”?
I google imaged for “Special forces tattoo” I saw no instances of a decent tattoo for the bolt, I guess good tattoo artists just plain refuse, I saw some awesome “De opressor liber” ones but none with the bolt …
@37 Hondo
Actually…sanctuary (i.e, 18 year lock) applies to both regular and non regular pensions.
In both cases it takes a court martial to boot you out prior to 20…or the approval of the service secretary for you to leave…even if it was voluntary
@41: FWIW, I was a support guy (intel) but I was in 3 different SF battalions between 1983 and 2003 (5/19th, 3/1st and 3/3rd) and I can tell you that military tattoos were highly discouraged for the SF guys. There are a number of reasons for this (opsec, cultural sensitivity, etc) but the main one is that if you’re the type of person who needs to ‘flash’ your affiliation to the world then you don’t fit in with the SF persona, A/K/A “Quiet Professionals.”
I was assigned to 3/1 SFG before I was airborne qualified and a few months before they sent me to jump school I got a “high and tight” haircut because my then-girlfriend liked it. I was working in the Battalion S2 at the time and both my section NCOIC and the Battalion CSM pulled me to the side and said “what are you doing? We don’t wear our hair like that here! If you want to sport a high and tight, go over to the Ranger battalion [2/75 was just down the road.] but let that shit grow out.”
@43 martinjmpr
Thanks for the info! I LoLed at the hair account, I wouldn’t have thought of that!
Loser.
@ Hondo, From AR 135-178, Army National Guard and Army Reserve Enlisted Administrative Separations: “1-5. Statutory authority “The following provisions of law contained in Title 10, United States Code (10 USC), pertain to the separation of Reserves of the Army: “a. (Rescinded.) b. Section 1176(b) provides for the retention of Reserve enlisted Soldiers in an active status on completion of 18 but fewer than 20 years of qualifying service for retired pay.” By “active status,” they mean ready reserves, like TPU and IRR. They specify Active Duty as Active Duty, or Active Federal Service. Further down: “1-11. Authority to order separation of Soldiers having more than 18 but fewer than 20 years of qualifying service for retired pay. “a. A Soldier having completed 18 but fewer than 20 years of qualifying service for retired pay (Title 10, Section 12732) will not be involuntarily separated without the approval of the Secretary of the Army or his designated representative. All recommendations for involuntary separation of Soldiers in this category will be sent to HQDA (para 1-12, below) for consideration.” Title 10, Section 12732, deal with non traditional retired pay, also known as reserve retirement pay, and not with regular active duty pay. From chapter 5 in the same AR: “5-2. Reduction in authorized strength of the U.S. Army Reserve or Army National Guard of the United States. “a. Early separation. Soldiers may be discharged from Reserve of the Army status prior to expiration of their service obligations when… Discharge may be voluntary or involuntary, except for enlisted Soldiers with at least 18 but fewer than 20 years of service qualifying for retired pay who meet other requirements of 10 USC 1176(b).” I’m in the reserves, but have enough active duty time to where one more deployment (involuntary mobilization) would make it possible to submit a sanctuary packet requesting to remain on active duty until I reach 20 cumulative active duty years. I’ve got over 21 total years of service, so the reserve 18 to 20 year sanctuary wouldn’t apply in my situation. But “reserve sanctuary” does exist for the reserves, and Soldiers… Read more »
I meant “will have 7,200+ points after maxing out the next three years.”
thebesig: it looks like reality is somewhere between what we each said – but closer to your statement than mine. Bottom line: there does appear to be a limited form of sanctuary for at least enlisted personnel in the Reserve Components. However, that sanctuary also appears to be limited to those with between 18 and 20 years of Reserve service qualifying for reserve retirement. For those without at least 18 “good” years, that same sanctuary doesn’t appear to exist. Someone with 19 years 10 months of total service but who has two non-qualifying years appears to be SOL. Here’s the analysis. 10 USC 1176(b) – the basic statutory authority for this sanctuary – specifically states that reserve enlisted personnel selected for involuntary separation “with at least 18 but less than 20 years of service computed under section 12732 of this title, may not be discharged, denied reenlistment, or transferred from an active status without the member’s consent before the earlier of the following:”, and then defines several scenarios. The scenarios effectively boil down to saying the individual must be retained in active status until they have a fair opportunity to attain 20 years qualifying for retirement. (It doesn’t guarantee reserve retirement outright, but does provide a guarantee of a fair opportunity to earn the points required.) However, 10 USC 12732 defines service qualifying for reserve retirement purposes. That means that only service qualifying for reserve retirement would be counted. Service that did not qualify for reserve retirement purposes – such as a couple of non-qualifying years in the IRR – would therefore not be counted in computing the “at least 18 but less than 20 years of service” referenced by 10 USC 1176(b). From the above, it thus appears that this sanctuary is therefore not applicable “across the board” to all RC personnel with between 18 and 20 years of service. (I took your original comment as implying that, if not stating it outright.) Rather, this limited sanctuary seems to apply only to those RC enlisted personnel who have attained between 18 and 20 years of service qualifying for reserve… Read more »
Hurry up with the MOH Green Thumb…I am furloughed tomorrow and I wanna enjoy a good read 🙂
He reminds me of a few sea-lawyers I’ve seen over the years. If they put the same energy and imagination into work as they do trying to avoid it, they’d be superstars.