Scores of dead in CT
The Hartford Courant reports that there are 27 dead including 18 children at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT where a single shooter opened fire with a couple of handguns. Fox News reports that at least one of the guns was a Glock, you know – those handguns which have minds of their own and inspire fear among gun control advocates. The other was a Sig Sauer.
Fox also says that the gunman had a “.223-caliber rifle” so he couldn’t have been using the terrifying AK-47. MSNBC says that no one has mentioned the rifle to them. But, the MSNBC reporter just said that there was no word if the shooter used “high capacity ammunition clips”, so I’m not sure if they know the difference between a pistol and a rifle.
MSNBC broadcast news is reporting that another person has been apprehended in regards to this shooting. Other news sources aren’t confirming the “second shooter” theory.
Of course, some folks can’t wait to get in their shots against gun rights;
Alex Pappas at The Daily Caller has some more reactions from the Liberals on Twitter. Twitchy records more knee-jerk reactions from the usual suspects.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on the shooting;
“There is, I am sure, will be, rather, a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates, but I do not think today is that day.”
Well, when they have that discussion, remember this; I went to the range yesterday with several of my weapons. Among those weapons was a Glock (with a large capacity magazine) and two .223 caliber rifles, also with large capacity magazines. I had about 1,000 rounds of ammunition. I drove by at least two schools on my way to the range in Maryland. None of my weapons jumped out of the truck and began shooting up those schools, neither did I.
Whoever this shooter was, (MSNBC says his name is Ryan Adam Lanza, 24 years old – his mother was a teacher at Sandy Hook and she was found dead at the school) he broke several laws to accomplish his grisly task today. How is it possible to write more laws to prevent something that was already steeped in illegality?
ADDED: Our buddy, Blanka, sends a link from USAToday in which they mention that Lanza was “dressed in military style assault gear”. That’s not what caused the incident, either. I was wearing Multicam – the style of uniforms Army troops wear in Afghanistan – at the range yesterday, and I wasn’t even tempted to shoot another person. The MSNBC reporter said that Lanza was wearing “dark” clothes “with pockets” – so we should be banning pockets now, I suppose.
Category: Gun Grabbing Fascists, Guns
I read somewhere the shooter’s mother was found dead.
Let me guess, he felt he needed the attention and fame he deserved, so he and his partner decided to shoot up an elementary school?
FFS already.
Megan Kelly just had Mark Furhman on. He did an excellent job of laying it out AND defended every one’s 2nd A. rights. 😉
According to local reports, the police also entered the shooter’s home when they saw what appeared to be a body inside.
At the risk of sounding cold, I have to ask again why no one in the press seems willing to address the correlation between mass murders at schools, and those same schools each being designated “Gun Free Zone”.
@ Streetsweeper: I saw that and agree completely. I was impressed with his discussion with her.
2nd amendment baby! Guns don’t kill people, people kill people (of course it helps if they have body armor and automatic weapons).
There is a second shooter and they have him in custody. So, the initial reports, which are notorious for being inaccurate, prove so once again.
As for Frum………fuck him.
The alledged gunman in the school shooting.
Ed. Note: The link was removed.
A very sad day.
I can only hope this man is burning in hell
The “2nd shooter” rumor seems to show up in every story of this kind, and is nearly always untrue. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Joe, seriously–give it a fucking rest for once in your miserable existence.
The facebook page is currently unavailable. My heart goes out to the victims and their families.
No, you give it a rest Sparky. What kind of logical contortions are you gonna go thru to justify the gun laws that made something like this possible. I can’t wait.
Joe, what laws made this possible? He was in a “gun free zone” – so obviously laws don’t mean anything to people like Lanza.
FB page works. There are no links on page to anything Mil related. I suppose now that MSNBC will claim that this guy once walked past a recruiting station and is now affiliated with the military.
Okay now am I going to have to patrol my son’s school? Am I going to have to teach him how to react to fire?
Gallager Fan…I do believe there is a big huge bag of dicks for you to eat somewhere around here for you.
FB worked for me too…didn’t see anything odd about his photos or links.
@Joe – Illuminate us with the justification that would have prevented Lanza from legally purchasing the guns. Do you know something about his background and record that nobody else seems to?
Little kids killed “execution style”. 2nd amendment baby!
All the libs in Conn and elsehere are secretly daydreaming about what might have resulted IF one or two of the adults at the school had a weapon. The only law that made this possible was the one banning guns on school grounds.
Joe, is murder against the law? Yes or no. No wriggling out of it.
Joe: do you even know what an “automatic weapon” is? Or that it takes a special license, not generally available to the public, to purchase one?
Sheesh. Your ignorance is beyond appalling.
Joey, you miserable, liberal ass, it’s already against the law to murder your mom, your dad, or anyone else. You still haven’t developed the cognitive ability to realize that.
You don’t know what happened, other than an asshole went to a school and opened fire. You know nothing about him, but you’re bound and determined to take advantage of another “crisis”, much like your leader.
The asshole that did the shooting “made something like this possible”. Much like the asshole responsible for the worst school murders in U.S. history. http://daggy.name/tbsd/index.htm
He used dynamite, fire and a car bomb, you want to ban all of them, too?
Joe, you are one sorry excuse for a human being. You jump in here with wrong information and start sputtering on as though you know something about weapons and the situation currently under discussion. You are one stupid fucking moron. Do you know what the worst mass killing of school kids in US history is? I’ll give you a couple hints: It didn’t happen in the latter part of the last century and it didn’t involve those evil guns.
So; while you’re chewing on that; do us all a favor and run into traffic you stupid fuck.
Also, Joe, I sent Jonn a story out of China, today, where 22 school kids were slashed at school by a knife wielding individual; so that blows your stupid fucking agenda right out of the water, too.
Joe, you aren’t worth wasting time on to argue with. Just know that there are at least 100 million gun owners in the U.S. and 99% of them have never and will never commit a gun crime. I was a cop for 23 years. Most of us have seen more violence than you can imagine and virtually every officer I know is pro gun because we know that when you need help in seconds the police are just minutes away.
For John- be careful driving near schools with weapons in your car. believe it or not, 100 yards from a school are “gun free zones” and if for some reason you get stopped, you can be charged. Not saying I would have ever done it, but hey, if saves one life it’s worth it right? (that’s sarcasm Joe)
The gun control nuts are out in full force now that they have some more fodder to push their misguided agenda. However I saw this on my FB feed pop up today so I’ve been using it to give them something to think about: Swimming pool drownings account for about 3 times as many deaths per year in the U.S. as accidental and purposeful shootings combined. Before we jump to outlawing guns, doesn’t it seem logical to outlaw swimming pools first?
The same could be said for cars, eating utensils, baseball bats…hell, all of those are dangerous weapons. It’s people’s choices that determine outcomes, not objects. We should just ban all these things to prevent people from making the choice to run over a pedestrian or stab someone in the chow hall over that crappy steak.
Let’s not forget that in China today, a man with a knife slashed 22 children. Gun control wouldn’t have affected that outcome, I’m sure.
And, would someone please ask Megyn Kelly what a “military style vest” is? I have no idea WTF she’s talking about.
Keep on spouting the same lame canards you always do after an event like this.
Funny, I thought I read one of Joe’s comments here when he first started telling us how he is pro-Second Amendment. I guess that’s one of those situational principles.
@27 – Neither does she.
On Fox and CNN, I heard the anchors ask their reporters on the ground, if the witnesses they spoke with “described the state of the bodies in the hall”…..
Disgusting infotainment media.
We will Joe, and you keep being the simplistic ignorant asshole you are bud.
@28: It’s amazing that you do exactly what you claim we are doing. You come on here spouting the same lame canards that you always do after an event like this; but you want to accuse us of doing it? Keep blubbering on you fucking idiot.
This piece makes a nice juxtaposition to Jonn’s paean to all his wonderful weapons the other day.
I’m willing to bet the “body armor” they were initially describing the shooter in was actually a tactical vest.
All Joe is doing is exploiting a tragedy by coming on TAH and spouting drive-by bullshit….real integrity there Joe…
@19: Being, as my name suggests, a liberal sort from Connecticut, I’m not daydreaming about that. I have no problems with guns, concealed carry laws, etc. I do wonder, though, whether allowing guns on schools would be any sort of solution.
Might it have stopped something like this? Well, it’s POSSIBLE it would have reduced the number injured or killed, but still fairly unlikely if we’re to believe the reports that most were from one classroom. How quickly would an armed defender be able to respond to shots fired? He’d have to know where, and would probably proceed with some caution. Chances are, most if not all would still have been killed, unless that particular teacher -who seems to be connected to the shooter- had a weapon and was trained on it.
The flip side is that allowing guns on school grounds ups the chances of accidents – kids finding it, accidental discharge, all sorts of things.
I have no problem against guns, but it seems to me that the calculus of how much ‘help’ it would give, given the infrequency of events like this -thank god!- errs on the side of more injures / deaths than less, just by statistics of accidents.
Maybe I’m wrong; I don’t have any of those statistics in front of me, but that’s my guess.
So instead of debating back and forth over this idiocy, let’s just give the families who’ve lost their kids a little reflection and sympathy over something that has less to do with guns or the lack thereof and more to do with some nutcase going berserk for reasons we don’t yet understand and will never be deemed appropriate.
Hey Joe. what about this?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html
Should we ban knives, too, high speed?
Joe: if the report that Lanza was carrying a .223 rifle is accurate, he was most likely in violation of CT law to have it in the first place. Most of those currently offered for sale are AR-15s or equivalent and are illegal under CT law.
http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-202c.htm
The fact that his weapon was illegal in CT didn’t matter to Lanza. Neither did the fact that schools are “gun free” zones. By definition, criminals don’t give a damn about the law.
Your argument is therefore one made by an idiot, and is without basis or substance. From you, though, that’s nothing new.
I see that other moron, Gallagher Fan, is gone. Good. His comments are akin to Joe’s–wasted space. I
I envy you guys who can watch the news. It’s a drunk monkey circus and I couldn’t watch it for more than a few seconds without throwing something at the TV..
Congradulations, America (Babby Boomers and aging Yuppies). You’ve successfully managed to raise a generation of of man- children incapable of dealing with adversity and filled them with meds that only exacerbate their anti-social tendencies. Yes I’m jumping to a lot of conclusions, but where there is smoke, there is fire.
Hey Lib in Conn. You say you’re not daydreaming and then you describe exactly that. As for your question–“How quickly would an armed defender be able to respond to shots fired?”–the answer is one of the following:
1. Before the first innocent was killed;
2. As soon as the bad guy started shooting in the offices if one or two workers had been armed; or
3. Not ever.
The only one that works if no one is armed is #3.
In my little slice of Connecticut to legally purchase a handgun I have to take the NRA course, File for CCP which takes minimum 6 months here, Interview with the cheif of police who then calls my spouse, Supervisors, and friends, I have to get three letters of recomendation from non family and because I live near a school administration building I have to show my house isnt located in the gun free zone on town maps. I live on the side of CT away from New York. I assure you if this guy had a handgun it isnt legal
They can’t get more laws.
So, the obvious conclusion?
Ban their sale, manufacture, possession. Period.
If the gun don’t exist, how can it kill?
That’s the argument that’s coming.
Ok, John, I get it. You are a responsible adult who should be allowed to have more or less any weapon you want. What we need, and what I would love some smart folks from the NRA to come up with, are some sane laws designed to keep weapons in your hands while preventing them from getting in the hands of these nuts.
As an aside, I wish the media would never again post the photos of the shooters. By making them known (especially when they use the images the shooters themselves want used -like in the VTech case)they create a motive for the next one. The only photos of them should be after they have been shot or while in an orange jump-suit.
For the record, I do have pictures of Lanza, but I didn’t post them because that’s what he would have wanted.
Joe,
Please ask Santa for a tiny sliver of self-awareness. You come here spouting bullshit, and apparently don’t even know that Connecticut requires a permit to purchase a handgun (on top of the federal requirements), along with an “Assault Weapons” ban. Neither seemed to matter much to the evil murderous fuck who picked a “gun-free” zone in which to practice his cowardly atrocity.
If nothing else, go reflect on what a goddamn ghoul you are and stop masturbating when evil actions give you a chance to troll your betters.
“This piece makes a nice juxtaposition to Jonn’s paean to all his wonderful weapons the other day”. And yet, Joey, none of Jonn’s weapons killed anyone. Your point?
Joe…..you are an ignorant human being(I use “human” loosely). If a few teachers were armed do we really think that the outcome would be the same. Why are there never shootings at evil gun shows? Or in pawnshops? Why are they always in “gun free” zones?
Only a moron would think that a nut bent on murder and mayhem obeys “gun free” laws.
Semper Fi
I just have to say it. You have been citing an article in the furtherance of your argument mentioning an attack in China.
I am actually more on your side than against you but I really have to point out the difference:
China – no gun – 22 INJURED kids.
CT – Gun – 27 (18 kids) DEAD.
That is a major difference that you really need to consider before positing it. You are inviting a crazy liberal to take a shot at you, you are just giving them ammo (irony not intended)
JA: what you’re asking for is Utopia. Utopia doesn’t exist.
Anything which can be invented by man can be both used – and abused. That has been the case since the first caveman discovered how to sharpen a stick or flake a stone tool.
Tools are just that: tools. Intent and outcome of use are the responsibility of the user, not the tool.
@JA – No….your assertion of a difference is lost upon you. 22 INJURED kids, could have just as easily been KILLED.
@44, I agree, a pic of the shooter, laying on the floor, with the top of his head missing is the only pic that should be used. Fuck him, and those like him, let that be what people remember.
JA, go back up to #22, click on the link. Then let us know, do you want to ban automobiles, fire and dynamite? That’s what was used, and 46 people were killed.
@48: Good call on two accounts – one, the real Lanza doesn’t deserve any publicity, and two, some accounts are now saying that isn’t him. It’s a different Lanza who is alive and well and not psycho. Time will tell.
http://gawker.com/5968551/this-ryan-lanza-facebook-profile-is-the-connecticut-shooter-stuff-is-fucking-up-everything