Taking on Ron Paul and his Supporters
Rurik sends: Larry Bailey under fire.
Some of Ron Paul’s most avid (some say “rabid”) supporters are not friends of America. The Marxist group “Code Pink” are frequent and vociferous supporters of the good congressman, as are “Iraq Veterans against the War,” a Soros-funded group that is sometimes violently opposed to any American intervention overseas, no matter how justified it may be.
Code Pink, headed up by Medea Benjamin, shows up at any anti-American gathering that happens to have media (no pun intended) coverage scheduled. That organization is frequently joined by IVAW in its pursuit of America-bashing.
Now, Rep. Paul cannot be held totally responsible for who attends his rallies and who organizes his Iowa Straw Poll effort, but the public should not be kept in the dark about who it is that has become so close to the congressman.
Rurik is referring to some of the comments there as the ‘fire’. Larry’s seen much worse so I doubt he’s much moved, but it might be fun to join in if so inclined.
Coupla caveats: Larry is a friend (as is Rurik) and I’m proud to say that I’m one of the dozen or so who helped pull off GoE-1, so I’ve seen much of what Larry describes. Secondly, much of what Larry discusses in his article is NOT news to regular TAH readers.
Jonn adds:
Adam Kokesh and his upside down flag and IVAW banner at a Ron Paul rally in DC.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Gathering of Eagles, Geezer Alert!, Military issues, Ron Paul
It’s unfortunate that leftist groups hold sway over segments of the population. It’s also unfortunate that those in the extreme opposition use those groups and their antics to stifle any rational discourse on important issues.
Don’t forget that “Dr.” Ron Paul is also backed by “stormfront’ neo-nazi’s http://tiny.cc/8zkiu and “muslims” http://tiny.cc/sgogu .
…and Barry Manilow.
If we’re talking about Paulbots, Code Pink and IVAW, or the Stormfront, who are we supposed to have “rational discourse” with? I’m curious about that.
Rational discourse with Code Pink, Stormfront or many of the fundamentalism groups on the right isn’t usually worth the bother, unless you’re just looking for entertainment value.
It’s the charges levied against any deviation from what is politically correct for one end of the ideological spectrum or the other…….bolstered by meaningless epithets of ‘anti-Americanism’ or invoking Godwins Law, that is unfortunate.
For Paul supporters, there is a vocal and zealous-to-the-point-of-absurdity segment to be sure, but they generally aren’t any worse than some at Tea Party rallies who can’t quite articulate why they’re even there.
“For Paul supporters, there is a vocal and zealous-to-the-point-of-absurdity segment to be sure,”. I do admire your ability to understate things, at times, CI. And, a minor correction to “they generally aren’t any worse than some at Tea Party rallies who can’t quite articulate why they’re even there.”. I’d rather think that they(Paulbots) aren’t any worse than most you’d see at any dem rally or demonstration like those who showed up in Wisconsin. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/09/16/321239/wisconsin-students-shutdown-right-wing-press-conference-attacking-universitys-affirmative-action-policy/
Well, thank you for the almost compliment toward not giving in to hyperbole…..
Since you’re fond of ‘Paulbots’….you don’t take any issue with ‘teabaggers’…..right? Although I admittedly don’t really understand a your relation of Paul supporters and Democrats.
Why the hate for Dr. Paul? I know he wants to neuter the military down to pretty much a defensive CONUS force only, but there’s not a snowballs chance in hell, even if he got elected, that would happen. I’m voting for Paul purely based on the fact that he is one of around 3 politicians who have had the same message since their first election.
The USA does not need another party politician anywhere, much less the white house. Bush was awesome cause he stood up and gave the bird to world when we were under attack, which we needed. Obama is a career politicians who promise everything to everyone and end up not providing shit. The promise everything, deliver nothing candidate are the only candidates both parties are supporting right now.
If you wanna vote for Tricky Dick Perry that’s your prerogative, but as a born and raised Texan he has done nothing for this state but hurtle it back in progress on pretty much every societal level. Or if you wanna vote for Super PTA, always saying stupid shit Bachmann you can, but I prefer a leader who has a firm grasp on reality and history, not some dolled up super Christian from the mid west.
Point is, there is not any one good candidate for President besides Herman Cain, in my opinion, but he’s black so theres no way stupid white people will vote for him. Especially as a lot of dumb folk attribute Obama’s poor leadership to him being not white.
P.S. I love America and I think it’s people are amazing, but we have let our selves go too long in a lot of areas though.
We need inspired leadership to chart a path through these troubled times and to take us to even new and higher heights. You could install the administration of your local high school into our federal government and they would be just as effective if not more so.
@8 – “but he’s black so theres no way stupid white people will vote for him”
Stupid white people put Obama into office.
@10 – You’re 100% right but now it’s not a novelty and the social collective will vote for what it knows. Old White dudes backed by hundreds of millions of dollars instead of people who could get the job done.
Our whole political system has been skewed to who has the biggest piles of cash, so the people’s collective needs for Governance have gone out the door. I pray every day that the US can pull out of it’s death spiral we have seem to sunk into.
Damn I hate reading what I wrote and seeing the need to explain something a little.
By collective Governance I mean somebody to keep the lights on and our countries head straight, not somebody to tell us what to do. “Collective needs for Governance” sounds very marxist after re-reading it.
If you’re voting for someone “purely based” on a consistent message, despite the fact that the message is flawed, unrealistic, dangerous, and just plain uninformed/irrational, then perhaps it’s time to dig a little deeper into the options?
I’m actually liking Jon Huntsman the best of the options, since I’m rather moderate and roll across the political spectrum as he seems to do. But alas, he’s more of a viable vp candidate. This election cycle stinks… Again.
#7, see the header, ref. IVAW and Code Pink. If, indeed, IVAW is a “a Soros-funded group”, and I have no reason to doubt that, I’m sure that George has funded others who find solace in the whacked-out world of Paulbots. And that term was around long before some on the left, and gay left, hung the “teabagger” epithet on the Tea Party.
If you can point out where the word “paulbot” denotes some type of sexual perversion, kindly do, and I’ll forever and always drop my references to Paulbots.
And, Flying Cow, check on the earmarks that Dr. Paul has set aside over the years, before you beatify him. Or, his complete lack of competency when it comes to anything other than isolationism.
Ron Paul is far and above a better choice than any Republican or Democrat candidate. RP in 2012.
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@13 – Problem is, even though his message is flawed and may not be the best, I at least know what he stands for and won’t flip flop or run away from his stance when pressed. You find me a candidate with a good plan that isn’t a party puppet and I’ll vote for him. I’m not republican or democrat, I’m for common sense government and we need some super bad right now.
@14 – I agree, this election cycle, and the past few, have been more about party politics and personal power and prestige then providing service to the people. Where are our leaders? Do we have any good ones left? It seems like whoever can rule the soundbite news circle is the favorite, while their policy and voting records are ignored.
@17 – Picard will always be my favorite Captain.
Larry Bailey nails and proves an important point…one that has been lost or ignored surrounding Barack Obama. Paul, whether intentional or not, surrounds himself or his campaign with radical, anti-America destructive elements. Anyone with an ounce of reason cannot but see Adam Kokesh, Benjamin, et al as a group of agitating, socialist/communist using Paul as a means to get their message out…….they couldn’t care less about Ron Paul. In the end, like all disgusting rogues of selfish motives, they will crash and burn……..Obama will go and the likes of Kokesh, Benjamin will meet justice….one day.
While on the one hand I have a level of respect for anyone who has a consistent philosophy of life, I certainly will not vote for anyone just because they have one. Some of the folks who are most consistent are those who would cut our throats in an instant just because we breath.
Fanatics of every stripe are consistent, and many/most/all of them are dangerous.
Meanwhile – Bravo, Larry!
@UpNorth…..It doesn’t bother me that you use Paulbot or Paultard or whatever….I was just curious how equitable you were in your rhetorical labeling. They’re not as vacuous as ‘anti-American’.
Besides…….if someone is going to wear hats and clothing adorned with teabags…..you sort of have to expect the obvious to some degree.
Ci, you got right to the edge of reason, then, for whatever reason, you backed away. It shouldn’t matter what one adorns one’s hat with, and deep down, you know that. You’re just giving a pass to Anderson Cooper, Janine Godawfulo and their ilk.
Is it fair that some see the photoshop of Ronpaul, with the propellor beanie, and assign that to him and all of his followers? Why not, you sort of have to expect the obvious to some degree?
I don’t think of Paul as “anti-American” as much as ill-informed American. There are traces of anti-Semitism, isolationism and extremism in the Paul camp. Go back in the TAH archives from the last presidential go-round and see how his followers flood any post that doesn’t worship the ground he walks upon.
@ CI- Count your blessings you were not sitting or standing in front of me when you so eloquently chose to say to UpNorth Since you’re fond of ‘Paulbots’….you don’t take any issue with ‘teabaggers’…..right? . As for Larry Baileys service to this country I’m a veteran that’s stood ground with CPT. Bailey, COL Riley and other veterans against those of you whom are busy selling out our country and tossing our troops down a marxist shithole. *spit*
Well done, Larry Bailey!
You are the company you keep. Look at Paul’s newsletters, voting record, etc. Now tell me he’s anything other than a hateful bitter old man.
And NO, he did know what was written under his name, Paultards. No sense trying to deny it.
#8 said “Point is, there is not any one good candidate for President besides Herman Cain, in my opinion, but he’s black so theres no way stupid white people will vote for him.”
Well, this “stupid white person” will vote for Herman!
#24 said “you are the company you keep”. AMEN and AMEN again!!
Nuff said on that.
@#7 CI:
“Tea Bagger”? Do you have some knowledge of “Teabagging”? I read that “Teabagging” is a gay game where the sucker plays with the “bag” of the suckee. Nothing at all to do with the “Tea Party” movement, (of which I am a very active member). Keef Olberdork was very familiar with it.
OT – Came here thanks to Rurik and see some other friends from the day. Guess I’ll have to bookmark this site and check it daily. Hope you’re all doing well.
I forgot #7. “Although I admittedly don’t really understand a your relation of Paul supporters and Democrats.”. That’s so easy, I can’t figure out why you didn’t get it. The Paulbots will attempt to shut down any debate that doesn’t agree with their meme of the day, much like the “progressives” in that video did. It’s their way or the highway.
And as was said in #24, “you are the company you keep”. That would seem to cover Mr. Paul very well.
@12 Elsie says, “Damn I hate reading what I wrote….” I’m with that. See, people can always find common ground.
Back at ya, Tacan!
Ron Paul loves Ayn Rand.
Ron Paul frequently quotes Ayn Rand.
Ron Paul seems to hold Ayn Rand in very high esteem.
BUT…
Ayn Rand was extremely hostile to Christianity.
I’d even say that she probably hated Jesus Christ
or at least what Jesus stood for.
sorry but I cannot vote for someone (like Ron Paul) who worships Ayn RANDIAN-ism when Ayn Rand’s personal philosophy is the root foundation of Anton Levay’s Bible.
And then there is the whole legalize Drugs thing and he is Pro-Homo Marriage and ect… Libertarianism is massive SIN!
1) I tend to agree with the Kokesh analysis. He was discharged, not just because of the “pistol incident”, but his actions during the investigation of said. This was the catalist that set him on his course, his embitteredness(is that a word? Haha!) is his motivation. He found in Paul a philosphy to justify his rehabilitation and to cleanse himself of former affliations. Whether his political views were adopted out of sincerity or convienence, I suspect the second, will never be known. Either way he’d never win my support. Since he is one of the few who meets the profile, of an actual Iraq vet(most of those in these entities don’t), he will always have choice media access. 2) I loath Ron Paul, can’t stand the stupid fucker, his son, much of his “truths” or his cultists. When you explain you don’t agree with him(or them), its like rejecting the advances of a potentional suitor. First the wind goes out of ’em, then they sulk, and then like a spurned lover their back for revenge. All in the span of 15 seconds. They believe that like the gnostics of old, there is a secret knowledge that only they and their leader have. If you would just partake of it, you would see the true path as well. Well that ambrosia tastes like shit, not honey to the majority of us. Our disagreements center mostly on policy, since he was from the semiright, there is some overlapping, but many of his stances are the antithesis to conservativism. This is not a man you disagree with profoundly on a issue or two, but strongly on his views with many of the foundations of the movement. 3) Hey Jonn/Zero, the Spectator(same magazine above) also ran an article by Jeffery Lord on the same topic a week or two ago. Mark Levin interviewed him, it was up on YouTube but has since been removed. The RightScoop also has some choice Paulisms from the debates. One of him being booed, blaming us for 9/11, and his silly take on immigration. Sorry haven’t figured out hyperlinks… Read more »
Holy crap!
CI–I’m more than willing to have a rational conversation with Ron Paul supporters, if only I could find one who would talk back rather than screaming the list of talking points they got from the campaign. I already know what they’re going to say before they say it.
And yes, they often represent the fringest of the fringe, for example–Adam Kokesh, KKK members, White Nationalists, David Duke, Arlo Guthrie, conspiracy theorists, Code Pink, and Iraq Veterans (sic) against the War (which should really be called non-Iraq Veterans Against a War that They’ve Never Fought In).
Are we not supposed to point that out? Well, according to you, the answer is yes.
Let me ask you this–if Michele Bachmann had such queer associations, would you be so averse to talking about it? Do you think the media might make an issue of it?
The man had a KKK member on his Michigan campaign staff. He accepted a donation from Don Black, former Grand Wizard of the KKK, then said that he “didn’t know” that the guy was in the KKK but that we wouldn’t give the money back because he needs it to fight for “freedom”.
No one is trying to “stifle discourse over important issues”.
Why was the Tea Party started? I can answer that because I helped start the Louisiana Brand, then I left because of all the infighting from people who want control. We started the Tea Party because of one word CONSTITUTION! The left and the right has gotten away from believing in it. The current administration thinks it is outdated and should be re-written or thrown out. Ron Paul is one of the few who has actually read it and believes in it 100%. If you ask me, that is the root of the Tea Party. Reading the above article, you would think that Ron Paul is proud that code pink in all of their stupidity supports him. Why does this communist group like Paul. What is their main goal? They want the wars over. Ron Paul wants the wars over. That is the only reason they support him. If you want to start calling people paulbots/paultards or whatever else, all that will happen is we will become fragmented and fall apart and we will end up with obummer in his second term. I am not saying “vote for my candidate” but we are supposed to be smarter than the left. Ron Paul wants to end the wars. Lets talk about that. Iraq, what the hell did we go there for in the first place? I can speak to this one, because I was there in the first years, 03-04. Did we go there to find WMD? BS! If we are worried about WMD, we would invate every country in the world. Everyone has WMD. We needed to be in Afganistan to win that war, not Iraq. We spent lives and money on a war that we didnt need. We should have doubled the troops in Afganistan and finished it quick. Screw giving the world democracy. Let them get it themselves.The guys who fought in Iraq know whether or not we should be there. Ask the trooper that has done 3-4 tours over there if it is worth it in Iraq.Dont ask the talking heads in DC.71% of military donations so… Read more »
And, right on cue, out come the talking points.
All of which have been shown to be false time and again. I myself would go through them at show where they are pretty much bullshit, but I have something better to do this morning, like punching myself in the balls.
Ron Paul might have READ the Constitution, but you can sure as hell bet he doesn’t adhere to the principles of the FF. Earmarks, anyone? Wasn’t this the guy who said he was only serving two terms in the House? What’s he on now, 10? 11?
Ron Paul and the mouth-breathing idiot followers had about as much to do with the founding of the TP as they did with landing on the moon, although when they saw how popular it was, they certainly had no qualms about hijacking it to their own needs, much like they did the Oath Keepers, etc.
Frankly, dude isn’t the savior of the nation. Quite the contrary, he epitomizes everything that’s wrong with career politicians.
Name one talking point from my rant. You wont find one, because there arent any. I do everything I can to avoid talikng points, because it is a sign of not being able to think for yourself.
No one called him a savior.
To all who hate Paul, tell me who should we support and why?
Perry? dicator of Texas
Romney? Liberal who enacted obama care before obama was in politics
Bachman? The creator of talking points, not one original idea in her head.
Huntsman? Him and al gore should be friends.
WHO?
As far as Oath Keepers. Dont get me started there. I joined them. The freak they sent to vet my membership was a lying piece of shit who tried to tell me a was a vet and had served in Lebanon and was blown up by an IED. (That word wasnt around in the 80s) I then found out he had never served and was kicked out of Navy boot camp. We brought this up to Oath Keepers, who then promoted the guy to regional co or some other BS. Oath Keepers is a great concept, but when guys like that are in high up positions, I can have no part of it.
Uhmmm. Let’s just begin and end with the simple fact that the primary aim of the “anti-war” crowd actually has nothing to do with war, any war. That is just a cause they use to further their greater goal of destruction of this country at all cost.
(Life would be sooooo much easier if those clowns would be grateful for what they have instead of acting out their psychoses at our collective expense.)
So, whether it was by accident or design, Ron Paul’s name is now tied to the most rabid anti-Americans on earth. His failure to disassociate from them is all we need to know.
Paul identifies more with Kucinich than with the GOP. That should tell you all you need to know right there.
Perry, dictator? How, exactly? We’ve seen that Paul’s claim of taxes doubling is bullshit. What else would you like to address?
Military donations? Stop. Hurts. Sides. Laughing. Show me a troop who has $200 to piss away. Now you’re talking people who IDENTIFY as vets, and only those above the federal limit of $200 for reporting purposes. How many we talking now?
Look at his writings. Look at his associations. Look at his “blame America first” rhetoric. The guy was a Libertarian, and if he had any integrity at all, would have stayed one, especially after throwing Reagan under the bus in the 1980’s. Even his “back to the Gold Standard” crap isn’t workable. While Obama is fucking up the economy for years to come, what Paul wants to do would fuck it up for GENERATIONS. You don’t take a car going 100 mph down the road and throw it into reverse.
Part of a candidate is their positions, part, like it or not, is marketability. Paul is sadly lacking in both departments.
The only way we will ever stop the car from running off the cliff is to stop it. I know that putting it in reverse will trash the engine and transmission, but if you dont do something it goes off the cliff and you dont survive at all. Then what? Let China continue to take over the world? Let mexico finish there quiet invasion. Paul is not peferct. No man is. But IMHO, he is a better choice than the rest.
Perry, lets talk about the nafta super highway and the border. Ask any sheriff on the border if perry will fix it. They are in a war everyday down there while no one does anything to help. They call for back up and get nothing. I live in Louisiana and see daily the quiet invasion that is happening. Soon they will be in every aspect of our country and we will not be able to stop it.
meanwhile, while the right continues to infight, the left is busy giving out more loans to the money laundering solar companies and sneaking through more legislation that steals freedom from my kids.
I wish there was one candidate that we could all get behind, but it wont happen. I do love this site, because you have to have a thick skin to post here and everyone truly believes there side is right.
Hopefully after the car goes off the cliff, we can all get together and fend off the wolves and buzzards that want to eat whats left.
Sorry, when he relies and embraces the likes of Don Black, Alex Jones, and the usual assortment of whackjobs, he’s not the best choice. He’s not even a good choice.
Half of what jones says should be taken with a BIG grain of salt, but can you honestly say that the agenda jones talks about (less and except the 9/11 stuff) isnt the agenda that the left is pushing? the left that is in dc now, is trying to alter our country and turn it into a marxist utopia that we all know cannot work. They all think they can be the ones that succeed in marxism. Jones has been fighting that for 16 years. Beck aint too far from jones message but no one on the right calls him a nutjob. He is almost worshipped by alot on the right.
Ok, I’ll say it:
Glenn Beck is a nutjob.
There, you happy now?
Paper bag. stat.
“The only way we will ever stop the car from running off the cliff is to stop it. I know that putting it in reverse will trash the engine and transmission, but if you dont do something it goes off the cliff and you dont survive at all.”
The car still has brakes and a working tranny (two if you count Napolitano, I guess). Let’s try downshifting while applying the brakes before jamming it straight into reverse. That shit only works well on ships.
Some things now make sense. Such as why the Ronulans use the very same online tactics as the Progressives. Such as why Paul’s messaging always seems to parallel the latest talking points from the DNC. Why Ronulan delegates in the GOP primaries threw all their votes to McCain.
And here I thought Paul was just a nazi.
There are more individual statements piquing my interest than I have time to respond to…so I will hit the high points. @22 UpNorth – “Is it fair that some see the photoshop of Ronpaul, with the propellor beanie, and assign that to him and all of his followers? Why not, you sort of have to expect the obvious to some degree?” Is it fair to compare a photoshopped picture with an actual occurrence? “The Paulbots will attempt to shut down any debate that doesn’t agree with their meme of the day, much like the “progressives” in that video did. It’s their way or the highway.” It didn’t reasonate because I haven’t witnessed an overwhelming display of openmindedness from the modern GOP. @23 Streetsweeper – “CI- Count your blessings you were not sitting or standing in front of me when you so eloquently chose to say to UpNorth Since you’re fond of ‘Paulbots’….you don’t take any issue with ‘teabaggers’…..right? ” And why is that internet tough guy? At least your misdirected and comical rant made me chuckle. @26 Frankly Opinionated – “I read that “Teabagging” is a gay game where the sucker plays with the “bag” of the suckee.” And I read that the first usage of the term came from the tea party itself. You will note of course, that I don’t use the term, nor other empty hyperbolic labels. So the feigned defensiveness is more than a bit unwarranted. @31 Carpenter – “Libertarianism is massive SIN!” This was the most humerous. If the pursuit of liberty is sin, then I have a one way ticket to sit at the right hand of Beelzebub. And damn proud of it. My point has been, that there are salient issues to disagree with Paul [and others] on…but reducing it down to drive by empty rhetoric is acting no better than leftists. Though I find common cause in probably somewhere around half of Paul’s positions, those that are too far out for me to grasp [trutherism for example]…..are no worse than the adherents and affiliates on the right who believe that the hand… Read more »