More Chiroux

| April 22, 2009

If Matthis’ statement below didn’t piss you off, wait until you see this video from the local Fox affiliate;

From another local news organization KMOV4;

However, [LTC Maria Quon] said its findings are not the final word. That decision rests with Maj. Gen. Sean Byrne, who oversees the Army’s Human Resources Command. She said it could take weeks for that determination.

Here’s the pertinent regulation in Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations;

§ 3.12 Character of discharge.

(a) If the former service member did not die in service, pension, compensation, or dependency and indemnity compensation is not payable unless the period of service on which the claim is based was terminated by discharge or release under conditions other than dishonorable. (38 U.S.C. 101(2)). A discharge under honorable conditions is binding on the Department of Veterans Affairs as to character of discharge.

(b) A discharge or release from service under one of the conditions specified in this section is a bar to the payment of benefits unless it is found that the person was insane at the time of committing the offense causing such discharge or release or unless otherwise specifically provided (38 U.S.C. 5303(b)).

(c) Benefits are not payable where the former service member was discharged or released under one of the following conditions:

(1) As a conscientious objector who refused to perform military duty, wear the uniform, or comply with lawful order of competent military authorities.

(2) By reason of the sentence of a general court-martial.

(3) Resignation by an officer for the good of the service.

(4) As a deserter.

(5) As an alien during a period of hostilities, where it is affirmatively shown that the former service member requested his or her release. See §3.7(b).

(6) By reason of a discharge under other than honorable conditions issued as a result of an absence without official leave (AWOL) for a continuous period of at least 180 days. This bar to benefit entitlement does not apply if there are compelling circumstances to warrant the prolonged unauthorized absence. This bar applies to any person awarded an honorable or general discharge prior to October 8, 1977, under one of the programs listed in paragraph (h) of this section, and to any person who prior to October 8, 1977, had not otherwise established basic eligibility to receive Department of Veterans Affairs benefits. The term established basic eligibility to receive Department of Veterans Affairs benefits means either a Department of Veterans Affairs determination that an other than honorable discharge was issued under conditions other than dishonorable, or an upgraded honorable or general discharge issued prior to October 8, 1977, under criteria other than those prescribed by one of the programs listed in paragraph (h) of this section. However, if a person was discharged or released by reason of the sentence of a general court-martial, only a finding of insanity (paragraph (b) of this section) or a decision of a board of correction of records established under 10 U.S.C. 1552 can estalish basic eligibility to receive Department of Veterans Affairs benefits. The following factors will be considered in determining whether there are compelling circumstances to warrant the prolonged unauthorized absence.

(i) Length and character of service exclusive of the period of prolonged AWOL. Service exclusive of the period of prolonged AWOL should generally be of such quality and length that it can be characterized as honest, faithful and meritorious and of benefit to the Nation.

(ii) Reasons for going AWOL. Reasons which are entitled to be given consideration when offered by the claimant include family emergencies or obligations, or similar types of obligations or duties owed to third parties. The reasons for going AWOL should be evaluated in terms of the person’s age, cultural background, educational level and judgmental maturity. Consideration should be given to how the situation appeared to the person himself or herself, and not how the adjudicator might have reacted. Hardship or suffering incurred during overseas service, or as a result of combat wounds of other service-incurred or aggravated disability, is to be carefully and sympathetically considered in evaluating the person’s state of mind at the time the prolonged AWOL period began.

(iii) A valid legal defense exists for the absence which would have precluded a conviction for AWOL. Compelling circumstances could occur as a matter of law if the absence could not validly be charged as, or lead to a conviction of, an offense under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. For purposes of this paragraph the defense must go directly to the substantive issue of absence rather than to procedures, technicalities or formalities.

(d) A discharge or release because of one of the offenses specified in this paragraph is considered to have been issued under dishonorable conditions.

(1) Acceptance of an undesirable discharge to escape trial by general court-martial.

(2) Mutiny or spying.

(3) An offense involving moral turpitude. This includes, generally, conviction of a felony.

(4) Willful and persistent misconduct. This includes a discharge under other than honorable conditions, if it is determined that it was issued because of willful and persistent misconduct. A discharge because of a minor offense will not, however, be considered willful and persistent misconduct if service was otherwise honest, faithful and meritorious.

(5) Homosexual acts involving aggravating circumstances or other factors affecting the performance of duty. Examples of homosexual acts involving aggravating circumstances or other factors affecting the performance of duty include child molestation, homosexual prostitution, homosexual acts or conduct accompanied by assault or coercion, and homosexual acts or conduct taking place between service members of disparate rank, grade, or status when a service member has taken advantage of his or her superior rank, grade, or status.

(e) An honorable discharge or discharge under honorable conditions issued through a board for correction of records established under authority of 10 U.S.C. 1552 is final and conclusive on the Department of Veterans Affairs. The action of the board sets aside any prior bar to benefits imposed under paragraph (c) or (d) of this section.

(f) An honorable or general discharge issued prior to October 8, 1977, under authority other than that listed in paragraphs (h) (1), (2) and (3) of this section by a discharge review board established under 10 U.S.C. 1553 set aside any bar to benefits imposed under paragraph (c) or (d) of this section except the bar contained in paragraph (c)(2) of this section.

(g) An honorable or general discharge issued on or after October 8, 1977, by a discharge review board established under 10 U.S.C. 1553, sets aside a bar to benefits imposed under paragraph (d), but not paragraph (c), of this section provided that:

(1) The discharge is upgraded as a result of an individual case review;

(2) The discharge is upgraded under uniform published standards and procedures that generally apply to all persons administratively discharged or released from active military, naval or air service under conditions other than honorable; and

(3) Such standards are consistent with historical standards for determining honorable service and do not contain any provision for automatically granting or denying an upgraded discharge.

(h) Unless a discharge review board established under 10 U.S.C. 1553 determines on an individual case basis that the discharge would be upgraded under uniform standards meeting the requirements set forth in paragraph (g) of this section, an honorable or general discharge awarded under one of the following programs does not remove any bar to benefits imposed under this section:

(1) The President’s directive of January 19, 1977, implementing Presidential Proclamation 4313 of September 16, 1974; or

(2) The Department of Defense’s special discharge review program effective April 5, 1977; or

(3) Any discharge review program implemented after April 5, 1977, that does not apply to all persons administratively discharged or released from active military service under other than honorable conditions.

(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 5303 (e))

(i) No overpayments shall be created as a result of payments made after October 8, 1977, based on an upgraded honorable or general discharge issued under one of the programs listed in paragraph (h) of this section which would not be awarded under the standards set forth in paragraph (g) of this section. Accounts in payment status on or after October 8, 1977, shall be terminated the end of the month in which it is determined that the original other than honorable discharge was not issued under conditions other than dishonorable following notice from the appropriate discharge review board that the discharge would not have been upgraded under the standards set forth in paragraph (g) of this section, or April 7, 1978, whichever is the earliest. Accounts in suspense (either before or after October 8, 1977) shall be terminated on the date of last payment or April 7, 1978, whichever is the earliest.

(j) No overpayment shall be created as a result of payments made after October 8, 1977, in cases in which the bar contained in paragraph (c)(6) of this section is for application. Accounts in payment status on or after October 8, 1977, shall be terminated at the end of the month in which it is determined that compelling circumstances do not exist, or April 7, 1978, whichever is the earliest. Accounts in suspense (either before or after October 8, 1977) shall be terminated on the date of last payment, or April 7, 1978, whichever is the earliest.

(k) Uncharacterized separations. Where enlisted personnel are administratively separated from service on the basis of proceedings initiated on or after October 1, 1982, the separation may be classified as one of the three categories of administrative separation that do not require characterization of service by the military department concerned. In such cases conditions of discharge will be determined by the VA as follows:

(1) Entry level separation. Uncharacterized administrative separations of this type shall be considered under conditions other than dishonorable.

(2) Void enlistment or induction. Uncharacterized administrative separations of this type shall be reviewed based on facts and circumstances surrounding separation, with reference to the provisions of §3.14 of this part, to determine whether separation was under conditions other than dishonorable.

(3) Dropped from the rolls. Uncharacterized administrative separations of this type shall be reviewed based on facts and circumstances surrounding separation to determine whether separation was under conditions other than dishonorable.

(Authority: 38 U.S.C. 501)

Cross References:

Validity of enlistments. See §3.14. Revision of decisions. See §3.105. Effective dates. See §3.400(g). Minimum active-duty service requirement. See §3.12a.

[28 FR 123, Jan. 4, 1963, as amended at 41 FR 12656, Mar. 26, 1976; 43 FR 15153, Apr. 11, 1978; 45 FR 2318, Jan. 11, 1980; 49 FR 44099, Nov. 2, 1984; 62 FR 14823, Mar. 28, 1997]

Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Phony soldiers, Usual Suspects

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Dave Thul

The guy has balls to wear his uniform like that.
If the Army gives him an honorable discharge, someone at HRC needs a proctological exam.

Lucky

He pisses me off to no end, claiming Veteran status as a 6 day, FOBBIT MFer. And the whole “I’m a Patriot” thing? Patriots go when and where ordered, they don’t shit themselves and cry like punks when ordered to go.

Raoul

SGT Bong Hit

Chris

Asshat….

BohicaTwentyTwo

I like how he calls the local station a “Local Fox News affiliate” in his blog in order to increase the the ‘truth to power-iness’ of his interview. What a moran.

Sporkmaster

I doubt that he got more then a general discharge. Becuase if anyone has seen a “General discharge under honorable conditions” in the regs let me know.

HM2(FMF/SW)Ret.

From “How to Respect & Display Our Flag” a US Marine Corps Publication:

“The flag should never be displayed with the union down except as a signal of dire distress.”

I disagree with the tactic, but the argument can be made…

Steve

I wish it wqas not true….

Army Regulation 635–200
Section II
Types of Characterization or Description
3–4. Types authorized
a. The following types of characterization of service or description of separation are authorized:
(1) Separation with characterization of service as Honorable, General (under honorable conditions), or Under Other
Than Honorable Conditions.
(2) Entry-Level status. Service will be uncharacterized, and so indicated in block 24 of DD Form 214, except as
provided in paragraph 3–9a.

Steve

As long as he does not have an “Honorable” he can`t join the VFW!!

Raoul

Most local Fox stations aren’t as fair and balanced as the Fox News network.

HM2(FMF/SW)Ret.

Rauoul:

I agree most local affiliates don’t push a right wing agenda as “reporting” though there was some in this peice just the same.

Raoul

HM2(FMF/SW)Ret,

Change the bong water, you’re rebreathing stale stuff with a low oxygen content.

Notice Matthis got a haircut to play his “part” on TV.

Raoul

HM2(FMF/SW)Ret,

I loved the part about scaling national monuments.

Scaffolding around a building, a building that’s not a national monument is a joke.

Just goes to show how irrelevant the VVAW / VFP /IVAW are. They couldn’t get themselves arrested.

JuniorAG

HM2(FMF/SW)Ret:
“I agree most local affiliates don’t push a right wing agenda as “reporting” though there was some in this peice just the same.”

I take it from your quote that you are a “progressive.”

FYI, the “progressives” are as dangerous to our Constitution and freedoms as the “right wingers” are. Your beloved Woodrow Wilson was a war monger and started this “progressive” growth of centralized federal government which is contrary to the decentralized government our founding fathers envisioned.

“Progressives” use “Political Correctness” (Orwellian newspeak) to camouflage their goals (empire) under the guise of helping the masses. Imperialism is renamed “internationalism” and progressives can claim they are helping poor, 3rd world brown people by engaing in it, yet conveniently omitting the need for armed Soldiers to implement the policy on the poor residents of underdeveloped nations. Lord knows they cannot be left to their own devices and have a societal evolution on their own. kinda sounds RACIST to me, but what do I know & besides, progressives can never be racist.
At home, chuck a few socialist bon-bons to the ignorant and enslave the society with the tyranny of the majority. Take a page from the fascist & commie playbooks and nationalize the banks. Your leadership want to become emperors and I have to give them credit, they are skilled manipulators.

FOMSG

When will the Army’s senior leadership understand that the failure to prosecute deserters to the fullest extent of the law is a direct insult to ALL Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines who did their DUTY, whether they agreed with the policy or not.

That is the meaning of the word HONORABLE.

This coward belongs in jail and anyone who doesn’t understand that has no business leading soldiers, much less wearing stars.

OldTrooper

Steve Says:
April 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 am
As long as he does not have an “Honorable” he can`t join the VFW!!

He can’t join the American Legion, either.

This punk is a complete buttmunch in every sense of the word. What the ballless wonder needs is a little wall to wall counseling, for about a week.

Lucky

All I care about is whether or not numbnuts is allowed to keep his VA and GI Bill benefits, he doesn’t seem like the type to join a VSO anyway.

The Sniper

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!! x 230

TSO Wrote: Sniper was damaging my calm with his crazy post there, so added some spaces in it.

Lucky

Solid Copy Sniper! THis shit is retarded, they should’ve busted his ass so that he couldn’t run for office, hold a legit job, go to school or get VA benefits!

HM2(FMF/SW)Ret.

Junior AG,

I’m not sure what you are talking about. I don’t particularly care for Woody Wilson. I kind of like Teddy Roosevelt, but what difference does that make?

I believe in limited military intervention in the national security interests of the U.S. (Note I did not say Business interests.) I also believe strongly in our constitution, including the Bill of Rights. It applies to all citizens of all political parties.

Doc Out.

Dave Thul

Actually, I’d love to see him show up to a VFW meeting and try to join.
OK, what I mean by that is I’d love to see what he looks like after they throw him out using his head to open the door.

Lucky

Dave, this has already been discussed at certain Posts