If Wacky Weather Is Bad Now, Wait A Minute

| May 16, 2020

1967 Blizzard

This is regarding weather, CMEs, solar events, volcanoes, and our dependence on “other” for everything we need.

Solar eruptions. Coronal mass ejections a/k/a CMEs. These are damaging and dangerous events that have occurred with our central star in the past. Could this happen again?  Considering that when the Sun went dormant in 2006, and has had little to no sunspot activity since then, it’s not impossible but seems unlikely at present. Or the Sun could appear to be dormant when it’s gathering energy and particulates for a massive solar storm.

An extensive  CME and gigantic sunspot appeared on the Sun’s surface in May 1921, which set off three fires at telegraph stations, one in Sweden and two in the USA,  and occurred with no warning, even though physicists were monitoring the Sun.

https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2020/05/12/the-great-geomagnetic-storm-of-may-1921/

Prior to that was the Carrington Event in 1859, which set telegraph wires (and stations) on fire, among other things. Auroral displays were widespread and seen everywhere in both hemispheres.

The estimation of damage if something like that 1859 event were to happen now is in the trillions of dollars, and I think that’s a low estimate. What we all take for granted now, in the line of electronic this and that, would cease to function, and that includes your vehicles, phones, computers, TVs, household appliances (unless they’re as old as my stove). Internet service, ATMs, any remaining landlines, the entire electric grids everywhere, HVAC systems – the list of what we take for granted is literally endless. The potential cost for massive disruptions is high, in the trillions of dollars, although considering that it would be worldwide, not local, trillions seems like an underestimate.

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/244120/20190603/a-solar-storm-of-similar-magnitude-to-1859-carrington-event-could-cause-trillions-worth-of-damage.htm

Prior to that, there was the severe cold event in 1816, which followed the 1815 eruption of Mt. Tambora, a South Pacific volcano which erupted so violently that 4,646 feet of its top collapsed into a caldera, with particulates loaded into the upper atmosphere (as happened with the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo more recently), resulting in the “year without a summer”.  And earlier than Tambora’s contribution to bad climate/weather was the Dalton Minimum, during which there were frost fairs on the Thames and the canals in the Low Countries (Netherlands) froze over.

The solar physicist interviewed in the linked article in the New York Post does not say that the Sun has “gone into lockdown”, a rather gross exaggeration in describing the current lack of solar activity. That comes from the reporter who interviewed him.  Dr. Phillips does say that the cold period in 1816 was due to solar physics, when in fact, at that time he refers to, the responsible agent was the violent eruption of Tambora.    https://nypost.com/2020/05/14/the-sun-has-entered-a-lockdown-period-which-could-cause-freezing-weather-famine/

What he and the reporter both forget is that the flare/CME has to actually hit Earth to do that kind of damage, and the Sun, fortunately, is taking a prolonged nap that has lasted 14 years so far. I’d be far more concerned about a prolonged loss of solar activity than the possibility of a solar flare or a CME. The difference between those events and a quiet Sun is that the Sun’s activity level is very, very low.

We’ve had several solar flare “attacks” on a recurring basis in the last few decades. Fortunately, none of those more recent events hit the Earth. The valid concerns when these flares occurred were that they would disrupt power grids and impede air traffic and mass communications, among other things. There was also speculation about what might happen to the weather if those flares hit the Earth. The last one I recall reading about as a threat was in 1991, or thereabouts, but there have been many since then up until the Sun went quiet in 2006.

This solar minimum we are in now has been going on since mid-2006, and the sunspot count has been in the low-to-none range, indicating a very dormant central star.   The daily list of solar images is here:  https://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/synoptic/sunspots_earth/

No sunspots means low or no activity by the sun. Low to no solar activity means less output, and that has an influence on our weather. If you watch the meteorologists giving us the latest weather forecasts, they are now referring to huge loops and buckling (Rossby waves) in the jet stream, which is driving cold Arctic air south into my turf and pushing all that warm summer air south.

How does this affect the weather? Well, when the jet stream is now so loopy that it is dragging arctic cold down into the lower 48 in early summer, and the first really warm day we’ve had so far will be (maybe) Tuesday next week, and I’m still running the furnace in mid-May – which I have never had to do before now – then we need to rethink how we do things and what we take for granted.

I know the press goes into spasms when something happens like an Icelandic volcano erupting and shutting down air traffic from Europe to the USA and Canada, and they go in to absolute hysterics when a massive earthquake hits a Pacific island nation and causes enormous damage and loss of life, but they’re a bunch of little kids who live for this kind of thing. And they mostly get about 8% of the info correct; the rest, they just make up.

If our growing/farming seasons planetwide are going to be shortened, we should be thinking ahead in that regard. If we haven’t learned from this CV19 pandemic lockdown that we have to be much more self-reliant, and stop depending on “the store” to provide everything for us, then we have a problem.

Category: Historical, NASA, Science and Technology

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HMCS(FMF) ret

And they mostly get about 8% of the info correct; the rest, they just make up.

You’re giving them too much credit, Ex-PH2…

Ex-PH2

Uh, well, I felt generous when I did that.

A Proud Infidel®™️

A good read, butbutbut it Trump fault, Orange Man Bad, global warming,…

Which libtards will never cease to screech, they’ll blame President Trump as well.

5th/77th FA

Good point, and very possible API, the good news being is they won’t have much time to squawk it and the grid going down so much, so quickly will take away their platform. And there’s not a whole lot anyone can do to prevent this type of event, and/or prepare for it. The number of casualties and breadth of destruction will be dependant on which side of the Earth is facing the Sun when it happens.

Another interesting (scary) read on this subject is William Forstchen’s 48 hours. He’s the guy that wrote the One Second After trilogy on an EMP burst over the US. Without revealing much of the story line, I will say this. Some of the citizens pulled a coup of sorts that screwed up some of the plans of the “elected elite” to leave the unwashed masses in the “light” if you will.

Thanks Ex. Another example of how fragile our occupation of this blue orb is and to quote Thunderstixx….WE”RE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

26Limabeans

No CME until we get some sunspots.
Look for your giant Carrington event about five
years from now when solar storms peak.
Could be a “Corona” class Coronal Mass Ejection that
wipes out every PN junction on earth.
Then we can go back to vacuum tubes and crt’s.

5th/77th FA

Yessum. People don’t realize how dependent we all are on the electrical grid. Long term loss of power would put us back hundreds of years, not just to back before there was harnessed electricity. So many basic life skills that our parents, grand or great grand parents had are lost to the generations that are one removed from us. And many of our generation simply have a smattering of knowledge that there used to be other ways things were done. Rendered any fat for tallow candles or soap lately? Salted/smoked any meat for the winter? Not gonna even be able to Google Foo how to do things. The Horror! And how long will a lot of folks that are on medications last once their 30 to 90 day supply is gone. The list goes on.

Endeavor…Persevere…Trust on God and fear nothing. (ht to BG Lewis Armistead, lead the Assault of Pickett’s Charge)

thebesig

If the “Green New Deal” were in place, that kind of blackout could occur during one ore more deep freezes.

thebesig

Not only would it cost us a “gazilion”, but it would also cost us our 21st Century civilization. We need our current energy sources to power our industry. Take that away and our economy would collapse, The Great Depression would look like an economic boom in comparison. We simply wouldn’t be able to supply our current industrial and living needs.

Since people don’t know how to live today, as they did before the industrial period, we’d have a perfect storm for civilizational collapse. Our trees and bushes would be among the first casualties… People have to cook and keep warm. So much for the “green new deal”.

Even if this only happens in the US, this would set global conditions up for another global war. Not just to “fill the power vacuum”, but also to deal with the global economic havoc the Green New Deal would cause in the US… Plus the global effects this would have.

Speaking of which, where’s Commissar? Isn’t this one of the topics he likes to tell us that we’re “wrong” in?

USAF E-5

Yep, way stronger, more oily. Parents didn’t have an electric pot till I bought one in 76. They liked the percolator. But they really liked having a pot of coffee ready in the a.m.

AW1Ed

Thanks Ex. I was going to find an S&T article to post, but you checked the block.

Wireman611

Since William Forstchen has been mentioned, and given that his books are probably over a decade old, why has this not been addressed by the solons of the swamp?

Wireman611

Forgot to add, this is a when, not an if.

AW1Ed

jarhead

I refuse to listen to any of you. Greta keeps me informed on what I need to know.

rgr769

I read that we could be headed for some real climate change like that of the Maunder Minimum of the 17th Century. Tell us what that would mean for us if that happened.

rgr769

Beer at $5 per pint. Well, I have one thing to look forward to. Haven’t seen a pint 🍺 for only $5 for years, excluding some happy hours. The going rate is $6 to $7/pint.

26Limabeans

We are presently in a very deep minimum.
Spring is really fucked up around here.
The leaves should be out by now but they are not
and that foot of snow on Mother’s Day was odd.

I follow the sunspot cycle because of my profession.
It is eleven years long, will peak in five years and
then hit minimum again five years after that + or -.

We have some spots from the next cycle appearing in
recent weeks so we are coming out of that nadir.

I do not belive the climate change hoax. But I do
belive the weather is directly affected by sunspots.
I have lived through 6 cycles of them and have
witnessed the subtle effects but things do not seem
so subtle anymore. Better technology? Sure but that
won’t fix it just give us a better understanding
and earlier warning. We will survive. Be happy.

AZRobert

If you follow the footnotes it leads to an article i just made up that says Soylent Green is free, brought to you from AOC and not to worry…..it’s all good.

11B-Mailclerk

“It isn’t easy Green being”

– the Soylent Corporation.

26Limabeans

The grass is always greener over the grave.

11B-Mailclerk

Sunspots have a magnetic polarity. The observer’s can tell when the next 11 year cycle begins when they start seeing opposite polarity spots.

The primary cycle is thus about 22 years, a positive spot period and a negative spot period.

There are additional longer cycles that overlap the spot cycle. They are not multiples of each other, so the interactions are odd. We barely have data on the longer ones.

Earth is well inside the Sun’s magnetic field. The interaction of Earth’s magnetized iron core with the Sun’s field powers the Earth core dynamo that yields our life-essential magnetic field.

As the sun quiets down, the lesser field strength allows more cosmic rays to strike earth, and deeper into our atmosphere. It is theorized that this increases cloud formation, and positively feeds back on cooling.

One can see the effect with a “cloud chamber” detector. The strike of a high-energy Cosmic Ray particle creates a little whisp in the glass enclosure. At high altitudes, this is theorized to seed clouds.

During the “active” periods, the Sun’s sub-surface magnetic field gets twisted and kinked. When these kinks breach the surface, you get flares, prominences, and coronal mass ejections (CME).

Do you feel lucky? The damage to electrical grids from a major CME would be mostly on Earth’s day side, if the duration is short.