Regarding Covid-19

| March 13, 2020

You got an apple?

Social distancing seems to be working to control the spread of this not-very exotic virus. Nothing wrong with preventive measures; they make a good deal of sense to anyone who has a working brain cell.

Statistics are available at the link below, and can be found elsewhere, such as at WHO’s site.  It is clear that the numbers of those recovering dispute this deadliness of this virus, as in well over 70, 729 people recovering from Covid-19 versus a to-date death rate of 51,177 this morning worldwide, with an infection rate of 139,089 in a global population of 7.7 billion humans. Something’s working the way it should. The link below has regular updates on these statistics, if you’re interested.

And let’s do remember those panic attacks over the Zika virus, which physically affected only infants and was not a threat to anyone older, except as a fever. You’d be at more risk if you contracted Eastern Equine Encephalitis or cat scratch fever, or got spit on by a rabid fox, for Pete’s sake! Tick fever is a real threat, with hiking season starting up. Better have Off! sprayed on your clothes. You really to not want Rocky Mountain spotted fever or Lyme disease, both of which are spread by ticks, those sneaky little buggers that cling to your clothes and sneak up on you because they smell mammalian blood.

The statistics on seasonal flu deaths should alarm us far more than those of Covid-19. To date, they are far higher at 22,000+ in the USA than anything the corona virus has produced here. Seasonal flu this time around not only showed up, it came back around, and being chastised by your doctor for not getting your flu shot (naughty, naughty!) in the first place is appropriate.

The seasonal flu has a current death rate of about 0.1% of the population in the USA.

So far this flu season, about 1% of people in the United States have developed symptoms severe enough to be hospitalized, which is similar to the rate last season, according to data from the CDC. – Article

While the seasonal flu this time around is much more aggressive than the corona virus-19, both of them are respiratory bugs. As always, the statistics on death rates may seem to have to do with youthful vigor and general good health, as well as sedentary lack of mobility by some senior and physically impaired citizens, so those daily walks you may have been avoiding might do your sorry carcasses some good.

The available death rates from China indicate that mortality has a good deal to do with crowding people together into their heavy local population densities, than anything else. Since the Communist Chinese government doesn’t like bad stuff being spread about its ineptitude in handling something like this, our precautions here at home (which are also underway everywhere abroad) are certainly in our favor. No one should be alarmed by any of the things we’re doing. Common sense tells you if the seasonal flu is going around and it’s nasty, you avoid crowds, right? Right? So use the same attitude on this bug.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being cautious about this Covid-19 bug, since not all of its variables are yet well-known, and by variables, I mean how many mutations might it generate before it fades into memory. I will emphasize again: it is a respiratory bug, not a bacterium, and the symptoms evinced by someone showing up with “I don’t feel good” may indicate seasonal flu instead of the Covid-19 virus. So did you get your flu shot yet?

If you’re going to stock up on anything, don’t hoard cleaning supplies. And no, don’t bother with MREs. Get real food. Who the hell wants to trade a loaf of bread for toilet paper, for Pete’s sake???  Get stuff you like and you know you’ll consume. It ain’t even close to the end of the world, no matter what idiotic tripe someone will drop here.  It’s a good time to try things you might not ordinarily put on your shopping list. Why else would I buy fish and find a way to cook it so that it’s user-friendly for me? Buy some seeds for herbs and veggies. You can grow that stuff in pots. I have two large ones that are coming back from this past winter’s cold and can’t wait to get going with them.

If you’re going to hoard stuff, try chocolate and ice cream and popcorn, and some of those really good canned things the way people did when the Y2K panic attacks started up.

Remember them? The banks were all going to shut down because –/–/– would send us all back to 1900 instead of into AD 2000, and this was when all those retired COBOL programmers were called back to work to go through every confounded line of COBOL code to add TWO spaces to the date line. Every confounded bit of COBOL PROGRAMMING CODE with the date line had to be fixed so that it read –/–/—-.

I hope they were well-paid for that gig.

Despite CDC’s ineptitude at addressing this in the beginning, things seem to be calming down. Schools at all levels are putting their classes online to keep things going. Baseball and basketball are not dead yet, just on hold, and some teams are still at practice sessions. People are working online from home, to avoid the crowded confines of commuter bus and rail services. The geese are already arriving at their home ponds and lakes and unless things are souring the fun, local fishing spots are going to be restocked, period. I may go fishing myself in a few weeks. There are rainbows and speckles and brownies in that fishing hole, and some of them are escapees from prior years of crowded fishing.

Despite the Doomsday Dissonance from various corners of the room, the containment efforts and testing/screening processes are worthwhile, working, and not to be ignored, and I will repeat: you are at more risk of getting the seasonal flu if you didn’t get your flu shot than the likelihood of contracting this bug. They are both respiratory bugs, both carry the same symptoms, and how will you know who coughed on you on the bus, anyway?

Category: "The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves", "Truth or fiction?", China, Reality Check

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  1. Hack Stone says:

    Here is s Hint From Heloise in the event that you run out of toilet paper due to people hoarding it due to the Coronavirus; use stock certificates from issues from proud but humble woman owned businesses that sell software to the federal government. Finally, there is use for them.

    • Keepin' It Real says:


      • Claw says:

        Wait!! What??

        Does this mean that Cornholio won’t be able to get TP for his Bunghole?

        We’re all Doooooooommmmmed!!/smile

        • Keepin' It Real says:

          Reminds me of the time I was out in the field – a bivouac as the doughboys call it – and leaves had to suffice when I ran out of MRE TP.

          Note to self: don’t use *poison ivy next time.

          * Toxicodendron radicans

  2. Commissar says:

    We have no idea if social distancing is working. We are not testing.

    Most jurisdictions have no tests. The ones that do have rigid criteria.

    Trump turned down test kits offered by the WHO because he does not meant his numbers to go up.

    We have tested fewer than any other industrial nation.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      We ARE testing, you jackass. Try to stay current on things, willya? Another error on your part, you idiot.

      Keep it up. You just look more and more uninformed AND ridiculous.

      • Commissar says:

        No we are not fuckwit. The head of the CDC has explicitly testified to Congress that we are failing at testing.

        He also confirmed that the president fucking straight up lied about testing and access to testing.

        Get your facts straight and stop regurgitating Trump’s bullshit talking points.

      • Commissar says:

        Since you were too lazy to read the article I posted maybe you will listen to the video.

      • Ex-PH2 says:

        And you are vastly uninformed, not up to date on current events, and you are the ONLY FUCKWIT in the entire room. Testing is going on everywhere.

        It’s also called SCREENING, you incredible moron. Try getting into a VA medical facility without being screened. You won’t get past the door.

        Go back to your corner and suck your thumb, Taylor. It’s about all you’re good for.

        • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

          I swear he’ll do anything he can to be the center of everyone’s attention just like a toddler with a soiled diaper!

    • Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

      The CDC suggests we’ve currently conducted several thousand tests to date.

      There was an initial delay in getting materials out and not every location is completely online at the moment but we are ramping up in response to public health needs.

    • timactual says:

      Other than compiling statistics, which is going to take a number of months, what is testing actually going to accomplish? The symptoms of corona are basically the same as seasonal flu, as are the complications. The treatment is also the same.

      If, for example, I get tested and the result is negative, then what? Am I immune thereafter? How often should I get tested? If I am tested for corona and the results are positive, then what? I do the same thing I would do for the annual influenza, something I, like billions of others, have been doing for years.

      Unfortunately, there is also no treatment for hysteria.

      • Commissar says:

        Testing allows us to know where to place our resources and what level of mitigation we need to impose,

        Closing schools and causing massive economic harm and layoffs is done in absence of information.

        • Roh-Dog says:

          Once again, you’re correct.
          Why are you guys making me do this!?!?

        • timactual says:

          Epidemiology was not invented yesterday. The corona virus is not sufficiently different from viruses we already know about. That much we already know.

          Testing will tell you where the virus already is, not where it will be. By the time testing reveals where the virus is, it is a bit too late to prepare for it. And you do not need testing to recognize symptoms.

          Prevention does not rely on testing, nor does treatment. Some who test positive will never exhibit symptoms and thus will need no treatment. Some who test negative because they only have the regular old flu will need a lot of treatment and will even die.

          Again, testing for this virus is neither a treatment or a cure. It is not even a guide to treatment. Symptoms will guide treatment, not testing.

  3. 5th/77th FA says:

    You mean we are not DOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMED I TELL YOU DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMED? Thunderstixx will be so very disappointed.

    I would like to get my hands on the SOB that started all of this hysteria, my 401K did take a ding. I have 4 gallons of assorted ice creams Ex if you have cookies.

    • ninja says:

      KoB, you wrote:

      “I would like to get my hands on the SOB that started all of this hysteria, my 401K did take a ding.”

      The Chinese blames the US Army.

      Gee Whiz. I knew we (the US Army) were BAD, but I didn’t think we were THAT bad.



      “Chinese Foreign Ministry Suggests US Army To Blame For Coronavirus Pandemic”

      • 5th/77th FA says:

        Tanks for the linky ninja, not that this surprises me in the least. They could have a point, it could be the fault of the Army. The Super Spooks of the US Army should have been tailing that ChiCom girl LT that was hanging out with the Boston U perfesser that I made comment about the other day. Human life means nothing to the Chinese gubmint, never has never will. There were more babies murdered today than have died of the “Wuhan Flu” worldwide. I trust the ChiComs about as much as I can swim the Pacific Ocean. I trust the domestic enemies of our country (read demonrats/commissars) even less.

    • Commissar says:

      The market was being propped up by a trillion a year in deficit spending, Huge tax cuts to firms which caused stock buybacks at levels we had never seen before, fed pumping hundreds of billions into the repo market to stop a liquidity crisis, and the fed -under unprecedented administration interference- cut interest rates to levels completely counter to the best interest of long term economic stability and had become so desperate they were considering negative interest rates…

      The market was a glass house of cards ready to tumble at the slightest shock,

      Blaming the coronavirus ignores the underlying failure of the administration to be proper custodians of economic health. They took an engine already near readline and instead of the natural cycle of letting it run at a more sustainable RPM they pumped nitrous into the engine so they can pretend things were doing great all the while hoping it would not blow up before November, and when engine lights started flashing they poured more nitrous.

      Now we have none of the tools we would use to recover from a recession; lower interests rates, tax cuts, deficit spending, targeted stimulus for depressed industries etc…

      Because Trump used them to pump up his stats without any consideration for the structural problems that made it unsustainable,

      It was like using your entire water supply to saturate your crops during monsoon season, ignoring the collapsing irrigation infrastructure, and bragging about how green everything is. Then when the drought comes you have no water left, and your irrigation system is destroyed,

      So, bottom line, you are fucked. For a long time.

      • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

        BITCH, PLEASE! We’ll bounce back and you’ll be eating crow in no time just like the Zika scare, Avenatti, the Mueller Report,…

        • Commissar says:

          The fact that you failed to understand what I was saying about Zika is on you,

          You consistently fail to understand a damn thing I say.

          Link a post where I said Zika was going to be a pandemic that would kill a lot of people.

      • thebesig says:

        You have your “facts” mixed up. Your argument relies heavily on the assumption that government spending is a major influence on the economy. In this case, the current state of the economy resulting from deficit spending. This ignores a key economic reality.

        It’s the economic engine, the rich and super-rich, corporations, businesses, etc., that have a heavy influence on economic performance. No, the market wasn’t propping the economy up. It was a result of the rich, and super-rich, economic engine, having confidence in the economy. The results of this confidence drove them to invest in the economy. This investment included an increase in their consumer spending, and expansion of their operations, purchasing more stocks, etc.

        This had the added effect of putting more people on the payroll. More people on the payroll at the expense of the unemployment numbers.

        The move to try to get interest rates cut was an argument to make us more competitive in that area compared to other countries that were cutting their rates. Unlike you, or most others on the left, President Trump has actual experience with succeeding in the free market. His policies are aimed at making economic competition as fair as possible. They are also aimed at making it easier for people to succeed. He is leaving no stone untouched.

        Yes, blaming the coronavirus is a valid argument. What you see in the stock market is influenced heavily by human psychology. You have the mainstream media fanning the flames with regards to how dangerous coronavirus is. They make it sound more deadly than it is. This is not arguing that we should not take it seriously, it’s just that the mainstream media is blowing this out of proportion.

        They have been aiming to try to impact the economy, and impact psychology, to try to make the economy performed poorly… In hopes of negatively impacting President Trump’s reelection bid.

        As for the government being the custodians for economic health. The best way for the government to do that is to stay the f(beep) out of the market engine’s way. Meaning, as little government interference, regulations, oversight, etc., as possible. Staying out of the way. If the government is to intervene, it is to ensure that whatever government regulations and laws there are that negatively impact economic engine’s ability are removed. Likewise, if they are to add any kind of regulation or law, it is one that facilitates free-market competition. Not one that prohibits it.

        In that regard, the Trump Administration did the right thing. The Obama Administration did the exact opposite of what needed to be done to have a sustained strong economy.

        No, the economic engine was not anywhere near redline when President Trump took over. It was performing at under capacity. It was doing far less than what it could have done. The proper policies implemented in 2008 and 2009 could have given us a better economy from 2009 and onward. But, it didn’t. It put us in depression territory in 2009. Then we had a slow recovery. Our economy could have done better under Obama but it didn’t.

        When President Trump became president, he took a series of corrective actions to ensure that our economy was going to perform at its capacity, or close to it. This does not constitute overrunning the engine and burning it out. We were not even close to that. No, there was no “pretending” about this. As soon as President Trump removed many of the disastrous policies of the previous administration, the economic engine saw an opportunity to invest. Having more trust in the Trump economy, the economic engine spent the money they were accused of sitting on during Obama’s presidency.

        Also, with regards to your “tools that could be used to recover from recession”. The reality is that there are no real tools that the government could use. The best thing that the government could do, to address a recession, is to do nothing. If they are to do something, it should be very little.

        History supports this argument. In the early 1920s, we had an economic depression. For the most part, the government stayed out of the way. They allowed the economic engine to do what it did better than the government… To recover the economy. We had the “Roaring 20s” of economic prosperity. At the end of the 1920s, the government intervened to try to fix the economy. Result? The Great Depression.

        So, your analogy that President Trump used everything that he could use, on the economy, that he could no longer be used to recover it, is nothing but an assumption that is not supported by history. Here is a better analogy to describe the present Trump did.

        “It is like being in a monsoon season and having plenty of water supply. However, instead of channeling extra water to areas that needed the water, the water administrator kept water supply restricted. The dam overflowed and flooded certain areas, taking farmland out of the picture. The new administrator comes in, and channels that water into extra farmable land. Result? No overflows taking current farmland away, and additional farms producing food. More food during harvest.”

        THAT is a better analogy to describe what President Trump did. No, we are not “fucked for a long time”. President Trump did what he needed to do over the past three years to facilitate the free market economy. The result is an economy producing close to what it is capable of producing. Now with the psychological effects of coronavirus and other factors, the stock market took a hit and economic activity is showing that it is taking a hit.

        This is happening with an economy that is healthier than what it could have been. Had Hillary Clinton won in 2016, Obama’s economic policies would have still been in place. Such an economy would have been impacted much worse than what we are seeing right now. We could very well be headed toward economic depression territory because of coronavirus.

        We would have been fucked if the Democrats had their way in 2016 and after. A person that thinks that leftists/progressives are “better” stewards of the economy is a person that is clueless about history, current events, economics, psychology, etc.

      • timactual says:

        More evidence that “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.

        1) interest rates have been close to zero since shortly after Obama took office
        2) tax cuts are always available.
        3) deficit spending has been going on for almost a century; nobody has a lock on it.
        4)”targeted stimulus”? I think the proper term is “political slush fund”. That, too, has been going on forever.

        Economic mismanagement and downright corruption is bipartisan.

        • Commissar says:

          Lol. Yeah. The market has recovered. My bad.

          As long as they never ring the opening bell again we are good to go.

          • Roh-Dog says:

            Or: as long as the Fed doesn’t stop QE/not-QE, injecting $1.5T into the markets along with medium and long term repos that are over subscribed.
            This market is sick, all real asset classes (and some fake, bit-con) are getting fucking hammered.
            And yes $1.5T <— that’s a ‘t’ as in trillion.
            Wake up. Bad times ahead.

          • Fyrfighter says:

            Never said it’s totally recovered, but your comment ” you’re fucked, for a long time” is pure bullshit, and as usual, you know it.

  4. AW1Ed says:

    Health officials are saying to stock up on common sense items- pain and fever relievers, prescription drugs, electrolytes and food. Other items include stomach remedies, cough and cold medicines, and vitamins.

    A two week supply should be sufficient.

    If a family member is infected, take these steps- Choose a room in the home that can be used to separate household members who become sick from those who are healthy, in order to stop spread.

    Avoid sharing personal items like food and drinks. Provide your sick household member with clean disposable facemasks to wear at home, if available, to help prevent spreading COVID-19 to others. Clean the sick room and bathroom, as needed, to avoid unnecessary contact with the sick person.

    More here: Fox News Link

    • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

      Already stocked up on Tussin…Tussin fixes everything!

    • 26Limabeans says:

      Dinty Moore Beef Stew.
      And toilet paper.

      • timactual says:

        Or, you can avoid the Dinty Moore Beef Stew and use a lot less toilet paper. I find that dog food causes less need for toilet paper than Dinty Moore. It also tastes better.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Spam is supposed to be good for up to 45 years. And now, it comes in a variety of flavors.

      Two weeks’ worth of groceries? Oh, please, no! That wouldn’t last five minutes. Stop being pinchy with money and get the good stuffs and things.

      • timactual says:

        “Spam is supposed to be good for up to 45 years. And now, it comes in a variety of flavors.”

        Like a fine wine, the flavor changes with age. As does the texture.

        Note; I said changes, not improves.

  5. Commissar says:

    Here is a tracker. It is not accurate because it requires testing actually be conducted, which again, is not happening in most jurisdictions. We simply do not have test kits and the criteria to use them is very rigid.

    However, it is the best tracker we have right now.

    It also requires reporting from 50 different health departments each with their own testing and reporting criteria. And tens of thousand of private hospitals each with their own priorities. Nearly off of whom currently have no access to test kits.

    But that is what you get when you have among the worst healthcare systems in the industrial world.

    And a president who cares more about keeping his confirmed case numbers down than actually trying to find out the scope of the problem.

    • Roh-Dog says:

      I’ve been keeping my mouth relatively shut in defending your numbers, but you are 100% right about the testing numbers, or at least the public release of test numbers.
      Because of the logarithmic growth of this thing, the case, case, case, cluster pattern will become even more common as endemic spread increases.
      Unless we take extreme precautions the rate of infection will strain or break our medical system.

    • Fyrfighter says:

      So move to one of your utopias, and leave us Deplorables to our own devices genius, absolutely NO-ONE is keeping you here (or even asking you to stay)

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      What the bloody hell do you think SCREENING is, Lars?

      Just because CDC isn’t on the spot, doesn’t mean it ain’t happening, IDIOTSTICK.

      • Commissar says:

        The testing is so minimal it is ineffective,

        Per capital testing of people showing symptoms is lower than any nation in the industrial world right now.

        And Trump seems to actively be opposing widespread testing,

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        • Mason says:

          Once you get your accurate testing numbers, the rate of those infected will rise indeed. It’ll also show that this isn’t as deadly as it first seemed. Most people will either be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms.

          Right now we know about all the deaths, but not the total numbers infected. So it is artificially inflating the fatality numbers as a percentage of infected.

          Once there is more testing the already comical panicking will seem even more absurd.

      • Ex-PH2 says:

        Yes, and when you are silly enough to rely on the government to do everything for you instead of taking matters into your own hands – e.g., go to the nearest VA med facility and ask for a Covid-19 screening – you are saying ‘only Daddy can fix this, I’m just a little kid!”

        And here I was, thinking you were old enough to take care of yourself. Big mistake. Big HUGE mistake. What was your babysitter’s number, again?

    • Berliner says:

      Before testing, test kits must be created, evaluated, certified, manufactured and distributed. The distribution has begun, with more being produced each week.

      There have been 222,000 cases of flu with 22,000 deaths this season. Last I checked numbers for COVID-19 cases, there were 41 deaths in the US. Which one generates the panic and how much of that is due to the media. Then everyone rushes to the doctor with a sniffle or a random cough and demands a test.

      I spent last month in the Philippines on a southern Island. Anyone going in to the mall met a security guard with a thermal thermometer.
      Visiting a neighboring island and staying in a hotel, security at the door with a thermal thermometer. At the airport leaving, another thermal thermometer and questioned about travel to China. At a layover in Incheon, Korea to change planes, a thermal scan and questions about China travel. Boarding flight to Seattle, another thermal scan by gate agents and questions about travel to China.
      In Seattle, no thermal scan, only a sign in english saying if you traveled to China go to a different hallway enroute to customs.

      Philippine news last night reported they have just shipped 1 million test kits to local hospitals and will keep up that pace. It took them time from their first case to now.

      President Trump is on the right course of action. Remember, a more recent office holder and his VP waited until over 1 million had been infected and over 1,000 deaths before declaring an emergency.

      • Berliner says:

        Philippine test kits are going to Philippine hospitals. Their first COVID-19 case was January 30th.

    • ArmyATC says:

      “But that is what you get when you have among the worst healthcare systems in the industrial world.”

      Yeah, too bad we don’t have a stellar socialized system like China, Italy, Iran, or most of Europe for that matter where cases have spiraled out of control. 80,945 in China, 15,113 in Italy, 11,364 in Iran, 7,979 in S. Korea, 4,334 in Spain, 3,156 in Germany, 2,8882 in France…Yeah, that’s so much better than “among the worst healthcare systems in the industrial world.” Backward Iraq has fewer cases than any European nation with socialized medicine.

    • thebesig says:

      But that is what you get when you have among the worst healthcare systems in the industrial world.

      And a president who cares more about keeping his confirmed case numbers down than actually trying to find out the scope of the problem.

      Our “healthcare” is so “bad” that we have people coming to the United States to receive medical treatment instead of remaining in the countries where they have something close to the current healthcare system that the left supports. Heck, Cuba’s healthcare system was praised, by the left, in the 2000s. Yet, that has not stopped people from hopping on makeshift rafts/barges and risking their lives, to head to one of the “worst places for healthcare” in the industrial world.

      Here’s the cold hard reality. The free market does a far superior job with providing services when compared to what any level of government could do. As was pointed out to you here, there are other ways to get tested. The free market is developing ways to test for the coronavirus. It will not be long before these testing systems will prove not only superior to that of the government, and more efficient. This is no different from other areas where the free market provides the same services that the government provides and does a better.

      The argument about President Trump’s “wanting to keep the numbers artificially low”, as you imply, is wrong. He is taking this seriously and is actively doing what he could do, and his power, to facilitate addressing this problem.

      Now, if you meant that President Trump is working to ensure that our numbers remain low, by actively taking on this problem, you would be onto something. But, based on the trend of your arguments, I doubt that is what you are trying to say.

    • timactual says:

      ” a president who cares more about keeping his confirmed case numbers down than actually trying to find out the scope of the problem.”

      You keep saying that. It’s almost like you have been programmed by a neverTrumper cult. Still no evidence, though.

      • thebesig says:

        You keep saying that.

        Like, how NPCs ultimately say the same thing the more your character talks to them? :mrgreen:

    • timactual says:

      ” It is not accurate because it requires testing actually be conducted,…”

      It is also not accurate because the situation is changing daily, maybe faster than they can compile the numbers. If everyone was tested today the statistics would be wrong by the time they compiled the data.

  6. Roh-Dog says:

    Again, the numbers are only useful for a rate of change in infection rates. Like it whether or not, unless drastic actions are taken beyond the normal flu season measures this thing will get bigger than out medical system can handle. Fact.
    Nearly all underlying cardiopulmonary/immuno medical conditions will increase your serious condition risks. Age is also considered a risk factor.
    This is not even in the same realm as the flu, the flu shot will only *possibly* prevent flu, and at this point if you catch the flu your prevention measures suck and you should stay the f*ck home.
    You should fear this thing but respect the hell out of it, lest it bites you.

    • Roh-Dog says:

      *shouldn’t fear this thing.

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      Still less damage here than Swine Flu 2009, and no indication it will even reach that level here.

      “It might..” is running up hard against “it isn’t…”

      • Roh-Dog says:

        The growth rate is way higher with wuhan, sure it ain’t as serious in the symptoms, but the Ro… unrestrained this thing is doubling in as little as 4 days! Do the math.
        Unless we slow this thing there will be a spike that will shut down everyf*ckthing.

        • 11B-Mailclerk says:


          Eventually, everyone on earth is going to be exposed to it. Most folks will have the equivalent of a bad cold, to a mild flu


          It will be endemic, globally, in a year


          It won’t kill as many as swine Flu 2009. We did just fine

          It won’t be 1918 flu. We did rather well, despite 1918 med tech. No collapse, no disaster, just much suck.


          • Roh-Dog says:

            This will be much worse, and multiple times worse-rer unless the transmission rate is slowed so we have time to treat the afflicted.
            People of good health will speedily spread this thing to the poor souls that will choke to death on their own fluids as the hospitals overflow.
            This ain’t hyperbole, it’s stats baby! Look at what has happened, Italy, China, Korea, etc.
            There’s not a number where H1N1/09 holds a candle to NCoV-19, not a one. And vaccinations aren’t as easy with corona.
            The only thing we can do is slow this fucker down so we can treat people, if not, I’m afraid cities will burn.

            • 11B-Mailclerk says:

              You can project all you want. It doesn’t have the impact to do the damage the hypesters hype.


              Not as sickening
              Not as lethal
              We deal with worse with aplomb


              Flu is demonstrably worse

              You can keep ignoring the time-after-time history of such things here, and jump the shark with the other chicken littles. But the death rate here is -tiny- compared to moderate flu. It focuses damage mostly on folks who typically do not run key services, so -society- will muddle along.

              Not a calamity, any more than noteworthy flu years don’t wreck things.

              You -do- acknowledge history, right? You do see tha same pattern, over and over and over again, right?
              Never worse here, almost exclusively better here.

              Especially in the last 50 years.

              Of the folks who want to exploit this have only panic and doomsaying to achieve their goals.

              Stop feeding the hype. It is demonstrably false. The evidence is decades old repeat events. This bug is not novel in effect, only in protein coat and RNA details

              Not one single property exceeds a flu strain we have already endured successfully. Not one.


              Or their would already be a shitload more dead and dying bodies -here-. And there are -not-

              • Roh-Dog says:

                This man is not feeding the hype,
                mass graves and constantly running crematoriums all over the world, but we’ll be spared because of reasons…
                But fuck it right?! you’re entitled to your opinion, so!
                Take care.
                We will see in a year.

                • timactual says:

                  “We will see in a year.”

                  True. And in spite of having a number of risk factors I am planning on being here even if I contract the Dread Disease.

            • timactual says:

              “unless we have time to treat the afflicted.”

              Said treatment consisting basically of the same self-care we give colds and flu. Complications of the corona virus are the same as complications of the cold/flu, as is the treatment. The only difference is that there will be marginally more complications with the corona virus.

      • Ex-PH2 says:

        No one is mentioning false positives coming out of this, which is a mistake. Some of these scary things will turn out to be incorrect.

        • timactual says:

          Which is another reason why testing is not widely available; you have to test the test before you can get reliable numbers to act upon.

  7. OWB says:

    In conclusion: this viral infection has so far had minimal medical effect upon the US when compared to the common cold, influenza, and even vehicle accidents. The response (much of it official) to it has had a very negative effect upon the citizens of the US. There may well be tremendous economic troubles ahead thanks to all the hysteria and business/school/services closures.

    Gee, thanks everyone who is running around screaming that the sky is falling. It’s not but you don’t seem to care. You would rather continue to manufacture ridiculous “data” about fairly insignificant events no matter who or how many of us it hurts.

    Reality check for those still able to think rationally: This is nothing compared to what we have faced in the past and are likely to face in the future.

    • Fyrfighter says:

      Seems to me that I once heard someone say “never let a crisis go to waste”.. Wish I could remember which party he belonged to… It couldn’t possibly be that the left is trying to exaggerate the situation in another attempt to get rid of the “Bad Orange Man”… Could it?

      • LC says:

        Obviously people will have different perspectives on this one – there’s definitely more panic than there needs to be, but if you want to argue the left is trying to exaggerate the situation, I can very easily argue the right, and the President himself, is trying to minimize the situation. An example would be the President’s own statement on February 26th that when we had 15 cases, it would soon go down to 0. We now have over 1600. A relatively small number still, to be sure, but it isn’t trending towards 0, that’s for sure.

        In this type of scenario, I’d rather have people be worried enough to be listening to precautions, like washing their hands and social distancing, than believing this is a total nothing, or worse yet, a hoax. But also not so worried that panic creates additional problems, obviously. It’s a tough balance to strike.

        Ideally, we get this under control. Either via the serious actions being taken to limit travel, events, etc., or even the development of vaccines. I’d love nothing more than the country -and, yes, POTUS- to have a huge win here with the virus stopped in its tracks.

        • Fyrfighter says:

          And that is why I wouldn’t lump you in with the idiots I was talking about LC.. You are also correct that both sides have people saying dumb shit, and that needs to stop (speaking of dumb shit, not surprising at all that China is now trying to blame us for this..

        • Ret_25X says:

          I guess that is why he already spent north of $20 BILLION and announced a state of emergency today.

          You may ‘argue’ the case, but you would be debating for the sake of debating. The right has not ‘minimized’ the issue, but correctly deduced that pretending there is a big government solution adds no value.

          They are correct, of course.

          Next strawman.

        • Poetrooper says:

          “…I can very easily argue the right, and the President himself, is trying to minimize the situation.”

          And here ol’ Poe has always been of the belief that in facing potential public panic, a TRUE leader does his best to minimize the atmosphere of fear.

          But what do I know, hmm?

          • timactual says:

            “But what do I know, hmm?”

            I have often wondered.

            Sorry, cheap shot, I know, but I find it difficult to resist making even a bad joke. Nothing personal, think of yourself as collateral damage. Feel free to respond in kind. Someday I may learn to use emojis and this verbosity will be unnecessary.

        • Mason says:

          What Trump should have done was go on TV and wave his arms while running around the oval office screaming “We’re doomed! The end is near! Start hoarding and isolate yourself to a single room of your house sealed with cellophane and duct tape!”

          The media response would have been “Look at Trump blowing this all out of proportion. It’s no worse than the common cold. Our experts at CNNBCCCP say that those who are otherwise healthy have nothing to fear.”

      • Berliner says:

        Re: “never let a crisis go to waste”… That was Rahm Emanual, B.O.’s former Chief of Staff and the 55th Mayor of Chicago. Fun fact! The last time Chicago had a Republican Mayor was William H. Thompson, the 43rd Mayor, serving from 1927 to 1931.

    • Roh-Dog says:

      Most people are idiots, panic and fear is the go-to response for someone that is unable to plan or remain rational, ie idiots.
      Pragmatic and deliberate action is required by 100% the population, 99.9999999% of people will act according, once that one asshole breaks decorum we fuct.

  8. Commissar says:

    Ex, I never said or implied it was the end of the world. Almost all of us will be fine.

    I said it was a threat we should take very seriously, especially geriatric people. The older the more seriously you should take it.

    So you should be particularly concerned.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      I do take it seriously, but I am prepared to deal with it. I can and will easily isolate myself in the blink of an eye and never leave the house in the course of a month’s time.

      Anyone with common sense should be prepared for disaster at any time. We’ve had enough weather events that leave people stranded when they were warned well ahead about them, and they still drive through pools of water that come up over their car doors, wondering why they get stuck, or get stuck in snowbanks in a blizzard when they were told to stay off the roads.

    • Ret_25X says:

      Everyone will be fine. We have the best health care system in the world and almost all of the medical research capacity to find solutions.

      to be frank, the real challenge here is to keep the new religious puritans out of the mix so that adults can run things.

      For those who don’t know, the new religious puritans = the left.

    • ArmyATC says:

      “I said it was a threat we should take very seriously, especially geriatric people.”

      You mean those people you are thankful will die?

      • 11B-Mailclerk says:

        Yeah. That kinda was a Red Flag, eh?

        I joke often enough about putting the Communists in the Gulag, next time, and most folks take that as outrageous bombast. But I can kinda see how it might make some folks uncomfortable.

        Dancing on the graves of the seniors who will die from this bug, over politics, doesn’t seem funny.

        • Hondo says:

          Dancing on the graves of the seniors who will die from this bug, over politics, doesn’t seem funny.

          “Doesn’t seem funny?” Seems to me “Is truly despicable” is more accurate.

    • timactual says:

      Since I have a number of risk factors I take it as seriously as I also take cancer, diabetes, heart disease,…….

      One of those risk factors, age, also gives you experience and a knowledge base that allows you to analyze and put things in perspective and avoid hysteria.

      Am I “particularly” concerned? No.

  9. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    The far more interesting thing for me in all of this was the immediate seizure of control over every aspect of your life and your businesses by the government “for your protection”.

    The massive panic response by the public explains exactly why we have the type of government we have today.

    I’m no longer certain we actually have a Republic. It looks more and more like a corporate oligarchy every day. Another interesting part is that the president has suggested that to stimulate the economy as the health scare winds down that the Feds don’t collect any taxes for the remainder of the year on income. The cost of that will be between 750 billion and a trillion dollars…and all of the sudden Republicans are once again concerned about cost…none of them were concerned about the cost of using missiles worth tens of thousands to kill guys who make less a day than I make in less than a few minutes, even when that cost started ramping up well past a trillion dollars….it’s interesting that no one worries about what shit costs until it is something that might benefit the General Welfare instead of the Common Defense. Why do you suppose that is?

    • Sparks says:

      Thank you VOV. I have been thinking about this very issue and scenario for a week or so. My concern for our Republic. Now that a national state of emergency is looming, a lot of things could fall by the wayside. Not the least of which is civil liberties.

      • 5th/77th FA says:

        Nailed it VOV. The gubmint has been siphoning the private wealth of We, The People, for way yonder too long. The FIRST personal income tax was instituted by the late unpleasantness in 1861-’65. And that was primarily because of the loss of Federal Tariffs on imports and the need for beans and bullets increased. Took ’em pert near 60 years to make a Constitutional holdup of the taxpayer.

        Contrary to what that aggravating, self centered, attention whoring, asinine POS seagull thinks, the gubmint does NOT produce anything, especially wealth. It TAKES wealth from the citizen.

        Maybe you should expand your Constitutional Amendments Class to review the 16th A?

    • Poetrooper says:

      VOV asks, “Why do you suppose that is?”

      Um, think Eisenhower might have had a clue?

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Maybe it’s the area, VOV, but I haven’t seen any panic attacks around here in my AO so far. The only things I’ve seen are reports that CostCo is running out of STUFF, and then you have to ask why those shoppers don’t just go elsewhere? Walmart isn’t out of STUFF, neither are any of the other stores I go to, so Costco was not prepared for runs on paper towels or toilet paper from the get-go on this.

      And as I said, I can’t imagine why anyone would go there, or wait so long to stock up instead of restocking every month, like I do.

    • Comm Center Rat says:

      America isn’t a country. America is a business. And the US Government is the largest wealth transfer agent in financial history. Annual tax revenue is about $3.4T and the USG immediately pays out about $3.2T (Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, etc.). Once the remaining sliver is spent the USG sells Treasury Securities to finance deficit spending. In other words, the USG sells debt. As long as the USG can meet the interest payments on the national debt (approx. $23T), all is well until it isn’t.

  10. Sapper3307 says:

    RBG will outlive us all.

  11. The Other Whitey says:

    On Wednesday my Sister-In-Law suffered racial discrimination caused by this hysteria. She was refused service at a restaurant by a hispanic female employee who told her, “We don’t want your coronavirus!”

    This bitch took one look at her, saw that she was Asian (not even Chinese), and pulled that shit. First she claimed they were closed, then said the aforementioned shit when SiL pointed out that they were serving dozens of other customers (none of whom were Asian).

    SiL is a very sweet girl who doesn’t like making trouble for anyone, even when they deserve it. I had to beg her to lodge a complaint with the company. Obviously the employee in question is a dumb cunt who deserves to be fired, but this shit occurred because the news media is hyping alarmist nonsense at the top of their lungs to drive their political agenda.

    • Roh-Dog says:

      I hate humanity.
      No one deserves to be treated like that.

      • The Other Whitey says:

        Yeah, she’s very admirably big on Christian forgiveness. I, on the other hand, generally go Zero-to-Fuck-You about too many things. In this case, though, I had to beg her to do it. I said, “You can forgive her, but she still needs to get fired. This has to have consequences, and they need to hurt.”

        • Roh-Dog says:

          Agreed 100%. No need for that type of logic especially from someone serving food. Too stupid to understand how a virus do, too stupid to follow sanitation protocols.
          Speaking of, the local steak join was briefing sanitation SOP when the gf and I were there on Tuesday.
          If you don’t see someone wiping down common surfaces I wouldn’t eat there, even in ‘normal’ times.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      I wondered when that kind of thing might start.

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      I often take great glee in screwing with racists. I haven’t yet managed to stroke one out.


      • Roh-Dog says:

        If you figure out the secret formula, please do share!

        • 11B-Mailclerk says:

          Will do, count on it.

          Visualize that scene from “Kingsman”, when the control safety gets activated globally….

          Pop! Go the weasels….

      • A Proud Infidel®™️ says:

        I once made some past stars of TAH threads go foaming-at-the-mouth crazy when I convinced them that I was Jewish, man did they put on a show!

        • toleranttimactual says:

          Oh……..So you are Jewish?

          Not that there is anything wrong with that!
          Some Of My Best Friend Are, uh, Jewish!

          Well, that explains some things.

    • ninja says:


      Unbelievable as well as the stupidity and ignorance of some folks.

      So sad this is still occurring in the 21st Century.

      I commend your Sister-In-Law for turning the Other Cheek. With that said, Christians don’t have to be a Doormat to others. Jesus certainly wasn’t.

      Hopefully, she will initiate a complaint with the restaraunt on the ignorant Server.

      After that, she can let go and let God take charge. As the Good Book states “Whoever Touches You, Touches The Apple of My Eye.”

      Thank You for sharing.

      • 5th/77th FA says:

        Seems like I remember a time when a certain former Jewish Carpenter pitched a hissy AND a coniption fit using tactics up to and including whips and turning over tables & such. Cleared that area in no time. He could be a real rabble rouser when He wanted to be.

      • thebesig says:

        I commend your Sister-In-Law for turning the Other Cheek. With that said, Christians don’t have to be a Doormat to others. Jesus certainly wasn’t.

        The folks that treated his sister-in-law, as described above, actually went against Christian doctrine. This is assuming that they identified as such. The Old Testament required a verification process to determine if someone had a serious ailment that required quarantine. What a person looked like (genetic features) was not a part of that verification requirement.

        The New Testament required them to accommodate the sister-in-law as society would’ve expected them to accommodate her and other would be customers. Jesus ministered to the sick, possessed, sinners, etc. Additionally, he mentioned his thoughts on how the least among us are treated, and on how they should be treated.

    • NHSparky says:

      Name the place. I’d light their asses up.

  12. OWB says:

    How long before these “tests” become required?

  13. ninja says:

    Trump Expected To Declare National Emergency On Coronavirus, At Press Conference”

    “President Trump announced that he plans to hold a press conference Friday afternoon to address the coronavirus crisis, as concerns over the spreading outbreak wreak havoc on the economy and American life.”

    “Fox News is told the president is expected to declare a national emergency.”

    “Declaring an emergency under the Stafford Act would allow Trump to mobilize the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and direct federal aid to states. Such a declaration would allow a state to request a 75 percent cost-share for expenses such as emergency workers, testing, medical supplies and vaccinations, Democrats reportedly had said in a letter sent to the president.”

  14. Sparks says:

    Regarding Covid-19 and March Madness. Since conference winners are being determined by regular-season records, one of two things will happen for the NCAA championship.

    1. No NCAA champion declared for the 2019-2020 season.

    2. The NCAA championship will be decided by rock, paper, scissors. Via Skype of course.

    • Roh-Dog says:

      So, you’re saying Duke has a chance?
      Duke has a chance!

      • Sparks says:

        Well perhaps they do but since I graduated from UNC I am still pulling for them in the rock, paper, scissors event.

        Although, since most Duke players are going to graduate with a very usable degree, while UNC plays sports scholarship degree seekers, I guess rock, paper, scissors will go to Duke.

        Via Skype, of course.

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      Nah. These are sophisticated college folk:


  15. ninja says:

    For KoB:

    Guess who was born today, 13 March, in 1956?


    • The Other Whitey says:

      Before my time, but Dana Delaney was HAWT!!!

      • 5th/77th FA says:

        ninja, yep I know. Had a brownie with vanilla bean ice cream in her owner and sang Happy Birthday to her this morning. Lot’s of March Hares out here, including yours truly. I attribute it to all the guys getting lucky around the Father’s Day Celebration.

        And TOW, was? Nah dog..she still IS. A very well preserved sexy citizen. I think if I could of gotten one on one with her 14 years ago when she was thinking about settling down into matrimony, I do believe I could have convinced her to become the Final Mrs. 5th/77th FA.

        Heck, if nothing else, I do got game. And I can cook…plus I know what position to leave a toilet seat in.

        • The Other Whitey says:

          I was specifically referring to Dana Delaney at age 30 in “China Beach.” I never meant to imply that that she had deteriorated.

          • 5th/77th FA says:

            Oh I know TOW, that botox shot she had thru the nerve had very little overall effect. At 64 she is still very damn well preserved. The 2nd ex Mrs got bent out of shape on the very few times I tried to watch CB, because I made mention of her. Her (the ex’s) attitude about that and bringing a Jane Fonda workout tape in the house had a whole lot to do with me realizing I was in the wrong place. A lot of the episodes I’ve never seen. Maybe one day I’ll find the dvd set on a deal.

            • The Other Whitey says:

              Mrs. Whitey was raised by Cambodian Genocide survivors who would very much like to watch Jane Fonda die. She also doesn’t get bent out of shape over hot actresses. Actually, she has a pretty good sense of humor about it. She occasionally claims to wish she looked like Grace Park or Jessica Henwick. The correct answer to which is, “Yeah, she’s hot, but you’re hotter.”

              Not that I’m bragging or anything…

              • 5th/77th FA says:

                Good (correct) answer. And she probably is and not just because she is right there. Never could figure #2 out. She would lust out loud over the Tom Sellecks, Clint Eastwoods, Sam Elliots et al of the world and I never had a problem. I mean, dahell is a big time movie star gonna want with us common folk? She’s on her 5th or 6th marriage now. Guess it wasn’t me that had a problem after all. Like every other teenager, I saw Barbarella at the motion picture show. I got over that lust right soon after I learned what a Commie loving slut she was.

    • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

      BUNK!!! I’d let Dana make me bark like a fox!

    • timactual says:


  16. Commissar says:

    The planned testing system described in the national emergency declaration press conference is exactly what needed to happen.

    I hope it gets rolled out quickly.

    It will allow us to target our resources and our priorities more effectively.

    It will also reduce uncertainty and help reduce the economic impact.

    Now, I hope Fox News stops trying to spin bullshit conspiracy theories and spreading misinformation. This virus is a North Korean and Chinese bio attack? Hold your breath for ten second and if you can you don’t have the virus? Seriously WTF Fox?

  17. Roh-Dog says:

    Yep, confirmed cases doubled here in good ol’ Connecticut, strangely in the affluent areas of Fairfield County, or presumably the rich have access to the tests. The facts are unknown but it won’t matter in a week.
    But what about their; waitstaff, hair dressers, gym trainer, etc.
    When the dam breaks, it gonna break bigly.
    I’m telling you, exponential growth of a virus with a long asymptomatic spread and no natural or man-made firebreaks is going to f*** is right in the a**.
    No reach’round neither.

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      In the same way that exponential grown makes everyone rich in multi-level marketing.

      Now, if MLM exponential growth fails… why?

      Sooner or later, everyone in the USA will get exposed to Covid-19, probably upwards of 95%

      The exponential growth is impacted by the changes the bug causes in the limited population in the bloom areas. Cant -possibly- run true exponential. Not physically possible.

      MLM fails about the same way. Similar reasons. And the MLM proponents all say “do the math! Riches!”

      As for folks getting Covid-19, nothing noticeable will happen to a large fraction of them, possibly more than half.

      Bupkis, to maybe “sniffles”

      Of the other portion, most will get no worse than the flu we see every year.

      Perhaps double the number of deaths in a mild to moderate flu.

      That still is under “severe flu”, and way under 1918. We did just fine after all of those, you might note.

      Do the -real- math

      The real math is about negative outcomes, and in which cohorts.

      Total infection numbers and rate? Meh. Common cold every year. Totally everywhere. It occasionally kills via pneumonia.

      This bug has been hyped, and those who panic seem to not want to admit being duped.

      Humans are funny that way.


      -effects- matter. This thing isn’t that bad -in effects-

  18. Poetrooper says:

    Something I’ve not heard mentioned anywhere is what impact this is going to have on Spring Break. We avoid the Gulf Coast like the plague (OK, OK, bad choice of words) when young masses aren’t in classes, so I’m wondering whether federal and state health organizations are going to permit the annual swarms to descend on those coastal communities from all over the country.

    Anyone heard anything?

    • Roh-Dog says:

      My brother is in Fort Lauderdale, the report is there’s Breakers there, many from England. He never replied about the distribution or ratio of hotties.
      Good luck.
      Side note: there has been articles about the youths not gaf and yolo’ing all over thanks to the news of age/case fatality rate correlation and low airfares.
      Cant blame ‘em…

      • The Other Whitey says:

        In times like this, air fare and hotel rates tend to plummet. Good vacation opportunity for those on a tight budget.

        Some guys I went to high school with rode the first flight from San Diego to Honolulu (via LAX) right when they started allowing air traffic again after 9/11. They got coach tickets 80% off, rode first class because they were the only passengers on the plane and the flight attendants said they might as well (they allegedly partied with the cabin crew, but I suspect a touch of embellishment) and got a suite from a Waikiki hotel that was desperate enough to get anybody to spend money there that they knocked the price *waaay* down. The whole trip cost the four of them about $600.

        • Roh-Dog says:

          It’s a GREAT opportunity! The ex and I did a Hawaiian Islands grand tour when I got back from Iraq in ‘09. The Great Financial Crisis was not only an opportunity for investment but hotels were dirt cheap and many restaurants were buy an entree get one… this time it’s a GFC x pandemic.
          I’d hate to state it like that, because the rise of sounding like you-know-who, but if you’re looking to get out it’s looking cheap!

          • 11B-Mailclerk says:

            Stock market is a “value” opportunity.

            Support folks in need, and “buy the dip”

            And when this all is over, your surplus can go to your favorite charity that takes such donations. (Food banks, shelters, mission kitchens, etc)

            Are you doing well? Do some good!

            • Roh-Dog says:

              “doing well? Do some good!”

              Amen, Brother. Amen.

              Shit. Does this mean I should give blood on Sunday? Red Cross is hurtin’…

            • timactual says:

              “Stock market is a “value” opportunity.”

              Good to hear. My retirement portfolio seems to be filled with that “opportunity”.

              Say, since you mentioned “opportunity”, What’s the chance you could do a fellow vet a solid and help me take advantage of those opportunities? It’s a good cause, my beer fund is a bit low. I don’t want to sound too needy, but I may have to resort to drinking domestic beer! And Canadian whisky!

    • The Other Whitey says:

      My kids are disappointed that the San Diego St. Patrick’s Day parade tomorrow was cancelled. I pull my class-A out of the closet every year to go march, and the kids have joined me the last few years. Last year my boy rode on his aunt’s (my sister) engine in the procession, while my oldest girl rode on my shoulders with two of my nieces walking with us. It’s a pretty good time for everybody, even if (like me) you don’t drink. The cancellation sucks.

      On the other hand, they’re thrilled that school is suspended for a month. The overreaction is reaching absurdity.

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      Maybe start a spring break rumor that ladies who expose more skin to sunlight reduce their risks drastically…


  19. Ex-PH2 says:

    Still haven’t answered my question, Commissar: What’s your babysitter’s number? I need to give him a call and tell him to change your didies – again.

  20. Commissar says:

    Can we stop the debate about whether we’re testing ?

    The data is clear. We were not and won’t in any significant numbers for another week or so.

    • Fyrfighter says:

      Interesting that the places with the higher “per million” numbers have the smaller populations. Unless such numbers are associated with total numbers, they have minimal usefulness, as well as the fact that if you have a limited number of tests available, the best course of action is to test those with a reasonable possibility of being infected, not just testing every person you can reach. So again, the numbers you give, by themselves are virtually meaningless… but you probably already knew that.

      • Roh-Dog says:

        Out of my Governor’s mouth, Connecticut has done 137 tests as of this afternoon. That’s not even close to prevention level testing. I get that there will be a gap between warning and action but his number is dangerously low. To give the medicals time to treat we must flatten the curve of infections, catch, track and trace. Find everyone exposed and have them isolated. We NEED time, we NEED testing, reliable, free and available. If not, a week or two we will be Italy.
        (Stop making me defend him)

        • Fyrfighter says:

          Sorry Roh,

          I’m not for a second saying that we are testing at a level that is ideal, (some reasons were explained that many of the tests from the CDC were contaminated), as a front line one of those medicals you mention, I very much have a vested interest in getting a handle on this (if for no other reason that wearing full PPE multiple times a day sucks ass)
          Another part of the equation is that outside of an influx of untested people from third world countries with all sorts of diseases that had been previously been eradicated here, we as a nation do NOT have much experience in dealing with this kind of crap, simply because with our level of healthcare (again Roo is wrong), we do not have this kind of shit happen nearly as often as it does in many of the other countries mentioned. We also generally have far more regulations, and far more red tape to go through to get tests / treatments approved than many other countries. It will take a bit to ramp up (yes, this is less than ideal), but once we do, and this emergency declaration will help with that, the curve will flatten dramatically.

          • Roh-Dog says:

            I hope and pray that red tape and unnecessary reg bs gets dealt with, post haste. Best of luck out there in the trenches.
            We’re all have to do our part in this time of greatest need, some of us will just have to stay the fuck home and out of the way!
            Levity aside, may He lift you and those afflicted.
            Thank you.

            • Fyrfighter says:

              Thanks for that Roh.. our policies, and those of nearby departments are changing daily as we work to adapt. Things like masks, gowns goggles, etc. have become pretty much unavailable worldwide, so we’re working with what we have (tougher for a small department with minimal stockpiles), but cooperation is high, and with FEMA being spooled up, that should allow access to some national stockpiles to bridge the gap.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Despite your anxiety to make a nuisance of yourself in addressing this issue, you can’t warp statistics to suit your own notions, Poodle. That’s what the Chinese do.

      You’re really one of them, aren’t you? Yeah, I thought so. How much are they paying you to be this idiotic?

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Since one local hospital has already developed its own testing methods, approved by the CDC, your blind lack of information makes it clear, Lars, that you are possibly less informed than anyone else on the entire planet.

      Crawl out from under your rock once in a while.

    • NHSparky says:

      Molon Labe, bitches.

    • 26Limabeans says:

      Lets see him try to ban private sales and
      close drinking establishments.
      Corona will be the least of his problems.

    • A Proud Infidel®™️ says:

      Does she want a mass insurrection? Because that’s how they get spawned.

    • Roh-Dog says:

      I can see it now: “Hey Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen, that’s a nice town hall youz got…. (over shoulder, walking away) it’d be a shame if something happened to it.”
      -man in cheap suit disappears around the corner-
      In a later scene mayor wakes up with a disembodied horse head in his bed.

  21. timactual says:

    I really am getting tired of this corona virus bullshit (already tired of the Corona beer bullshit). Those of us of a certain age whose memory still works (more or less) can remember other diseases which were even worse (how can that be?!?) As a child I was quarantined for scarlet fever and there were other diseases just as bad. Polio! Now *there* was a virus! Iron lungs (tell me about the respiratory complications of corona again, I enjoy a good laugh), crutches, extremely painful rehabilitation, permanent paralysis, etc. Ah, memories. And there were also what were known as “childhood diseases” like chicken pox, measles, mumps, etc. that every child was expected to contract and most were expected to survive.

    My advice to all you youts today is to grow a pair and actually learn some real history.