Well, This Ought to Stir the Pot

| March 11, 2020

I’d guess this is likely to make idiots of all political persuasions go bonzo.

National Guard Sent to NY Virus ‘Containment Zone’

My take? Probably a bit of an overreaction – but better such an overreaction than “too little, too late”.

Category: Military issues, National Guard

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  1. An Old Arty Sgt says:

    Being from Long Island, the area they are “guarding”, in upstate NY. is mostly the elite class of people. Like your bankers, stock brokers, doctors etc. If they think there is a 1 in a million chance of them getting sick, they will ask the governor for help.. As they did. I think Bill Clinton has a place up in that area also.

    • Poetrooper says:

      It’s not “Upstate.” it’s in Westchester County just north of Manhattan. But you’re right about the wealth. From Wikipedia:

      “Some of the country’s most expensive real estate can be found in New Rochelle. The north end of the city (10804) is ranked in Forbes magazine’s list of the ‘500 most expensive zip-codes’ in the country.[31] According to the list, the average household income was $199,061 and the average home price was over $752,000. Homes in Premium Point, a gated section of the city on Long Island Sound, are priced anywhere from $2 to $20 million. The three newest residential developments, ‘Kensington Woods’, ‘The Greens at Cherry Lawn’ and ‘Riviera Shores’, are all gated communities with single family homes priced from $2 million.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Rochelle%2C_New_York#Residential_profile

      • 11B-Mailclerk says:

        Kinda makes you wonder if the well-to-do Donks have decided some other Left-folks might be angry with them for some reason.

  2. CCO says:

    Huh; Is New Rochelle tied to Albany?

  3. Dan says:

    Just waiting for the guy in a trooper hat riding a horse to show up….

  4. David says:

    I’m pretty sure if Cuomo did it, I’m agin’ it!

  5. ChipNASA says:

    New Rochelle??
    I hope our favorite family is OK. (The old one because the newer one, he sidesteps the ottoman!!…. Speaking of *OLD*!!)


  6. SFC D says:

    So what exactly are these Guard troopies doing? Sounds like an overreaction and a waste of assets.

    • Hondo says:

      Perhaps, perhaps not.

      NYNG troops deployed to the area can be used both to assist the local populace and to enforce a mandatory quarantine if necessary. So far, as far as I know the latter hasn’t been ordered.

      Whether Cuomo has the cojones to do the latter – particularly for a “high rent district” community like New Rochelle – is another question entirely.

      • OWB says:

        Somebody somewhere said that they would be used to help clean schools and such. Domestic activities.

      • SFC D says:

        What are the rules of engagement for enforcing a mandatory quarantine? Stop anyone from entering or leaving? How do they accomplish that, a knife-hand and a loud “STOP!”? Concertina and free-fire zones? Sounds like a nightmare for the NY Adjutant General.

        • Anonymous says:

          First, they confiscate all the registered firearms of anyone who didn’t vote for Cuomo; then, they arrest anyone who said anything bad about Cuomo on social media… just shaping the battlespace for disease prevention efforts, you understand.

  7. Claw says:

    Does this count as a “Deployment” into a imminent danger zone for pay purposes?

    Asking for a friend./smile

    • Comm Center Rat says:

      Will a new NG ribbon/medal be commissioned for this deployment into Westchester County?

      Operation COVID-19 Containment Medal of Bravery?

      Zombie Apocalypse Medal of Valor?

  8. Roh-Dog says:

    Posse non-calming taunting us?

  9. Commissar says:

    I accidentally posted this in the wrong thread before.

    They need to stop focusing on containment and focus on mitigation.

    Containment failed.

    Mass quarantine is going to magnify the impact of the virus. Particularly economically.

    Good public awareness of protective behaviors to slow the spread and targeted stimulus spending and target safety nets for heavily impacted industries and their workers is what we should be doing.

    Dumping hundreds of billions into markets to prop them up is just transferring hundreds of billions to short sellers. Who by an large are wealthy and institutional investors.

    Trying to do broad tax cuts also heavily favors the wealthy, many of whom are not being negatively impacted by this virus. In fact have positions themselves to profit from it.

    Very target stimulus to impacted professions, demographics, and communities is the way to go to mitigate the economic harm.

    For instance 38% of our nurses have children in school. If we shut down schools we may lose a significant percentage of our medical response capacity. Daycare centers are also shutting down.

    Nurses will lose income and not show up for work. We need to find a way to allow them to work. Even if it means emergency daycare centers designed to mitigate spread.

    25% of our population has no sick leave. Meaning they either risk losing their livelihood if they get sick, and are unlikely to follow self quarantine guidance if they show no symptoms. Despite the fact that you can spread it while being asymptotic for 5-8 days on average.

    30 million Americans have no health insurance so will not get tested even if they have symptoms. They are also often gig economy workers such as Uber drivers, contract package delivery drivers, and food delivery drivers.

    The virus can survive for hours and up to several days on surfaces.
    Including packages….

    • Fyrfighter says:

      “They are also often gig economy workers such as Uber drivers, contract package delivery drivers, and food delivery drivers.”
      Not in California, AB-5 made sure of that!

      • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

        AB-5 dorked them in the squeakhole… no reach around, nothing!

        • Fyrfighter says:

          And that was a feature, not a bug… It was / is intended to increase flagging union membership, since union dues are a major source of income for dims.

    • Ret_25X says:

      “Nurses will lose income and not show up for work. We need to find a way to allow them to work. Even if it means emergency daycare centers designed to mitigate spread”

      SARC ON:

      Those evil capitalists! How dare they prioritize their own family over those of others!

      SARC OFF

      In truth, quarantine has a place, but prevention measures are necessary as well. Most people are not going to practice the prevention. At all.

      Why? Because they have been ‘socialized’ to expect government salvation and solutions to their problems.

      Great job, lefties. You ‘socialized’ a nation into passive acceptance of a disease that could have been largely prevented.

      But please, tell us more about how the hypercompetent government is going to save us all.

      Deployment of the NYNG is an admission of failure, not a positive step towards mitigation.

      • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

        Something that showed up online last night – Inslee going to ban gatherings of greater that 250 people in the Seattle area.

        https://www.kptv.com/news/ap-source-inslee-to-ban-large-gatherings-in-seattle-area/article_7bbfcb5a-97b3-56fd-ba40-89aade1734d7.html

        Santa Clara Country (CA) announced a ban on gathering of 1,000 or more.

        • NHSparky says:

          Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the nursing home where a big chunk of the early deaths were occurring regarded as a substandard shithole, yet the state did little to nothing about it?

      • Commissar says:

        WTF?

        Go easy on the virtue signaling.

        There was no way to prevent this disease.

        Do you actually believe the shit you say or does it just feel good to say it?

        • ArmyATC says:

          “Go easy on the virtue signaling.”

          I’m sure the irony escapes you.

        • Ex-PH2 says:

          Um, sometimes, Lars, you really need to stop pounding the keys and pay attention.

          IN case you MISSED IT (like you always do), this BUG started to infest humans at an open air meat market in Wuhan, China last year. IT jumped species, and because the Chinese will eat anything that isn’t moving, those who bought that “exotic” meat, which was being sold under UNSANITARY CONDITIONS, were subsequently infested with the Covid-19 virus.

          It just grew from there.

          You’re wrong on a bunch of stuff here. Try to dig up some real world stuff before you pound the keys, willya? You get boring after a while.

          • Fyrfighter says:

            At least that’s the official story Ex.. It’s not unreasonable to believe that it was released from the bio lab in the same city.. From there you can decide if the release was accidental or intentional.

            • 11B-Mailclerk says:

              Plenty of other bugs, like seasonal flu, start in that centrally-planned mess.

              They may have been studying it, but it certainly is not unusual for bugs to start approximately there.

              Good reason to put a lab there?

              Chicken, virus, which came first? (Well, bats, apparently, not birds).

              • Fyrfighter says:

                No doubt Mail, that area is a perfect breeding ground, and it is entirely possible that this is just Mother Nature doing her thing, but other options seem equally reasonable, considering the nature of the Chinese govt (yes seagull, they are communists)..Fact is, we’ll probably never know for sure.

            • Ex-PH2 says:

              It’s the real story, guys. There is a similar market for “exotic” animal meat in South Korea, where stray cats are trapped by idiots, boiled to death, and turned into meat for sale in these meat markets.

              Kritter Klub has a video on this. It is NOT A JOKE. It is also very illegal in South Korea to sell that kind of meat, since it is NOT monitored by anyone for disease organisms that are likely to infect humans. Have any of you here ever heard of cat scrach fever? No? Well, it is transmissibLe to HUMANS and becomes a chronic and debilitating illness.

              As long as this heinous trade is allowed to continue, these bugs WILL jump species and infest the rest of the the animal kingdom.

              Or does anyone here really think that MERS ONLY COMES FROM CAMELS?

              • Fyrfighter says:

                I’m sorry Ex, I should have been more clear in my response. My doubt is only the part of the story that those markets are where this particular virus came from. I have NO doubt that such markets exist, and all sorts of bad shit does, or could come from them. It is a well known fact that people in some parts of the world, including China consider all sorts of things edible that in no way should ever be eaten.. It’s also well known that the Chinese govt lies almost as much as the clintons, which was the real point of my comment.

              • Ex-PH2 says:

                Point taken, Fyrfighter!

                On the news locally a few minutes ago, an American and his Chinese wife are stuck in Wuhan, have been since the beginning of this business, starting back in January. They would like to go home, but have no idea when that will be, as the entire city of Wuhan is locked down.

                Gonna be interesting.

                • Fyrfighter says:

                  And now the Chinese are accusing the US of starting this in Wuhan as a bio weapon.. seems to me they’re copying the Dem playbook, accusing us of doing what they themselves actually did.. I’m guessing they’re afraid that at some point, someone will figure out that this virus has been modified / weaponized, and they want to deflect blame from themselves.

    • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

      30 million Americans have no health insurance so will not get tested even if they have symptoms. They are also often gig economy workers such as Uber drivers, contract package delivery drivers, and food delivery drivers.

      Wasn’t Obamacare supposed to fix this? “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”? “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”?

      And, now the gig economy is having to deal with this:

      https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-outbreak-uber-lyft-workers-ab5

      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjGyfT395LoAhXDrZ4KHf_yAm4QFjAFegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffortune.com%2F2020%2F03%2F10%2Fgig-workers-petition-for-sick-leave-coronavirus%2F&usg=AOvVaw1Be4Pianfyyd3X-8dIcj_o

      • Commissar says:

        I didn’t support Obamacare. I thought it was a cop out. Giving republicans what they wanted back in the 80s and calling it a win in 2010.

        We need genuine universal healthcare.

        And this virus is going to teach us a hard lesson as to why.

        Thankfully it will disproportionally kill off the demographic that most opposes universal healthcare, despite the fact most of them are already on Medicaid or Medicare.

        Karma is a bitch.

        • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

          Pretty sick to wish for people that you don’t agree with to die, Lars…

          Also, I think that we will see how much the “technocrats” in the CDC and other agencies that are concerned about healthcare when this is over with. Too many policymakers calling the shots at the expense of lives.

          • Commissar says:

            No. I don’t wish for them to die.

            I do think it is karmic justice that people who tend to use their political power to fuck over other generations may finally pay the price for their reckless short sighted politics.

            Ordinarily it is other generations that pay for their shitty political priorities.

            • ArmyATC says:

              So, you don’t “wish” for them to die, but you pray that they will. A distinction without a difference. How “thankful” will you be when it’s a member of your own family? At one time I thought you had a modicum of decency. But with this single comment I can see that you are a miserable, pedantic asshole.

            • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

              I do think it is karmic justice that people who tend to use their political power to fuck over other generations may finally pay the price for their reckless short sighted politics.

              The never ending mantra of the Free Shit Army

              • ArmyATC says:

                Yeah, the idiot doesn’t seem to understand what he writes. “I don’t wish for them to die, but I’m thankful when they do.” That bastard is the epitome of everything that’s wrong with our nation today.

                • Commissar says:

                  Yeah, I don’t wish for them to die,

                  But a viral outbreak with a large casualty count was inevitable.

                  I am thankful it will impact the generation most to blame politically for not letting our country prepare of it.

                  The 1918 flu wiped out 18-25 year olds.

                  This virus at least is playing more fair with fate.

                  • ArmyATC says:

                    Doubling down on it I see. Still a distinction without a difference and simply highlights your hatred. No one is surprised. No one is as blind as he who will not see. If your UHC – your socialized medicine – were so good, countries such as Italy wouldn’t have over 10,000 cases of the virus. Hell, that’s worse than the backward medical system in Iran. Iraq has fewer cases than any industrialized European nation.

                  • Ex-PH2 says:

                    Everbody is getting tested, Lars you jackass.

                    LET ME SPELL THAT FOR YOU:
                    EVERYBODY IS GETTING TESTED FOR COVID-19, YOU UNINFORMED TWIT. EVERYBODY.

                    And that reminds me: you, too, Lars, are vulnerable to this bug and just as likely to die of exposure to it as the next person. You aren’t immune, no matter what you think.

              • Commissar says:

                Saying that it is karmic justice is not the same thing as wishing for them to die.

                It is pointing out that for the first time in a long time the group that takes short sighted political positions that forces long term consequences on others are going to finally have their short sightedness backfire.

                Fair is fair.

                It is not the same thing as wishing for it to happen.

                This virus could easily have impacted the 18-25 year old age group like the 1918 influenza did.

                • Ex-PH2 says:

                  Hogwash!!!! Read what I wrote above, you mope. This was NOT inevitable. It was just plain greed and stupidity on the part of the locals in Wuhan’s open air and unsanitary meat market.

                  If you’re going to blame anyone, then blame the Chinese government for not cracking down on that crappy trade.

                  GOT THAT, NOW?????

                • ArmyATC says:

                  “It is pointing out that for the first time in a long time the group that takes short sighted political positions that forces long term consequences on others are going to finally have their short sightedness backfire.”

                  “Fair is fair.”

                  You’re telling us you want to see old Democrats die? Because it’s been Democrats who held the balance of power in Congress for most of the time since the 1950s. And that being the case, you must also admit that it’s the Democrats fault for the mess we’re in.

        • SFC D says:

          “Thankfully it will disproportionally kill off the demographic that most opposes universal healthcare, despite the fact most of them are already on Medicaid or Medicare”.

          I sincerely hope that you don’t have family or friends that fall into that statement, you ghoulish cocksucker. Doubtful that you have either one.

          • Commissar says:

            Fuck off.

            I have been warning people for years about this inevitability.

            The people that overwhelmingly opposed preparation for a viral outbreak is the over 60 demographic.

            I was ridiculed on this forum for pointing out that a viral outbreak was our biggest national security threat and the greatest threat to the US public.

            I was trying to spread awareness to reduce the impact of this inevitability.

            Instead I was dismissed and ridiculed.

            My peers and those younger than me listened, and prepared. They also largely hold political policy positions that would have mitigated the risk and impact of a viral outbreak.

            This forum dismissed me.

            So stop blaming me for telling you the truth about this. I am not the cause of this.

            TAKE FUCKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR POLICY PRIORITIES.

            Own this and don’t try to shift blame on me for your own short sightedness.

            If a lose family members to this I have a lot more legitimacy in blaming you than you have blaming me.

            Because at least I was trying for years to get people to take this risk seriously

            Your “leaders” were making fun of and dismissing this risk all the way to the day they were put into quarantine.

            And your preferred president is currently trying to classify the facts on this virus to prevent the truth from impacting his political support.

            • Hondo says:

              Quit it with the smug, “holier than thou” attitude, a-hole.

              You clearly expressed the sentiment that elderly people dying from this would be “karmic justice” because that group is, according to you, “most likely to oppose nationalized healthcare” – and yes, that’s it’s proper term. Socialists have been hiding behind that “universal healthcare” misnomer for decades in order to obscure the truth.

              When someone called you out on that, reminding you that you might just have people close to you in that same demographic, you told them to “fuck off”. Sounds like that one hit kinda close to home.

              By the way: you ARE aware that virtually all US elderly citizens already do have nationalized healthcare – right? It’s called “Medicare” and “Medicaid”. Virtually all US elderly citizens fall into one of those groups. So you’re not only being an a-hole – you’re also being illogical as hell here.

              You’re nothing but a damned hypocrite, Poodle. The only thing you care about is yourself and those who agree with you politically.

              But we already knew that. So kindly take your own advice and fornicate off – after consuming excrement – and thereafter . . . well, with your “fine education” you should be able to figure out the rest.

            • Fyrfighter says:

              “My peers and those younger than me listened, and prepared. They also largely hold political policy positions that would have mitigated the risk and impact of a viral outbreak” From the videos / news reports I’ve seen, that’s the group acting the fool at walmart and costco, cleaning out the toilet paper and bleach..

        • OmegaPaladin says:

          Commissar,

          Please take a break from rejoicing in the death of your political enemies to consider economics. UHC is invariably going to include rationing, which is likely to adversely affect the elderly and the already sick. It’s not going to make an epidemic less painful, and it removes incentives for innovation.

          Government should stop restricting hospital construction (yes, they do this), and subsidize a level of reserve capacity, possibly even rehabbing old buildings on military bases in quarantine hospitals.

          • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

            Lars sees it as “a feature, not a bug”…

          • Commissar says:

            UHC is not going to reduce capacity.

            And we will have rationing due to lack of access with the private healthcare system we have.

            In fact the private system is the worst possible system for managing this pandemic.

            • ArmyATC says:

              Bullshit. More and more doctors are dropping Medicare/Medicaid due to the onerous regulations that cause them to spend more time on administration than patient care. Nothing the government touches isn’t without a long line of bureaucrats, red tape, and thousands of pages of rules and regulations that eat up time and money that could be used elsewhere. Your utopian UHC would be no different.

            • ArmyATC says:

              “In fact the private system is the worst possible system for managing this pandemic.”

              yeah, because Communist Chinese healthcare has done such a bangup job.

              • Commissar says:

                Holy shit.

                China is not the only healthcare model in the world.

                They are also not communist,

                And there are two dozen market socialist healthcare systems in industrial democracies that are far better than ours.

                And those countries score better than the US in every single measure of quality of life. Including social and political freedom.

                Stop trying to frame this in late 19th century and early 20th century capitalism vs communism debates.

                The rest of the industrial democracies have long ago abandoned that bullshit anachronistic frameowrk.

                We have a hundred years of empirical market data that shows conclusively that the best system yet devised is a market socialist system with a proportional representation political system.

                Our long debunked winner take all left vs right system only has one loser; the American people. And we have been on a 30+ year losing streak.

                • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

                  CHINA is not communist? That’s like saying water isn’t wet, fire isn’t hot and shit doesn’t stink!
                  Do you truly believe what you say?

                  • Commissar says:

                    China started abandoning communism in 1979 under Deng Xiao Ping. But the mid 1990z they were not longer communist.

                    How the fuck do you not know that?

                    Why the fuck do you think so many of our products come from US owned factories in China two Chinese firms are among the top ten most valuable firms in the world by market cap.

                    Ever shopped on Amazon?

                    Wake the hell up and stop being such a lazy half ass consumer of new facts.

                    The world is not the same as it was when you were in high school. And a lot shit you learned then was wrong even then. .

                    • 5th/77th FA says:

                      Screw you, you asinine special kind of stupid numbnuts. I really try to ignore your drivel, but on some things I can’t. Make sure you open the link where it says what type of government China has. You beat all, you know that?

                      https://www.reference.com/world-view/type-government-china-86a1ff2430de684d

                    • ArmyATC says:

                      “And a lot shit you learned then was wrong even then. .”

                      Like the English language?

                    • Fyrfighter says:

                      YOu might consider asking the Chinese if they’re communist.. I bet i know what they’ll tell you

                    • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

                      From Wiki:

                      “China (Chinese: 中国; pinyin: Zhōngguó), officially the People’s Republic of China (PRC), is a country in East Asia and is the world’s most populous country, with a population of around 1.428 billion in 2017. Covering approximately 9,600,000 square kilometers (3,700,000 sq mi), it is the third largest country by area.[j] Governed by the Communist Party of China, the state exercises jurisdiction over 22 provinces,[k] five autonomous regions, four direct-controlled municipalities (Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, and Chongqing), and the special administrative regions of Hong Kong and Macau.”

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

                      Try again, Taylor!!!

                • ArmyATC says:

                  No, but China is the extreme example and the place where this shit started. If socialized medicine was so much better they should have been able to put a stop to it, or at least been able to mitigate the spread.

        • Sparks says:

          Well then, I am one of the demographic you speak of. An older citizen, veteran and on Medicare, not because I needed it as much as it was mandatory at 65 for my private insurance to continue.

          I vote how I have lived, conservatively. I am and was conservative in my savings for my family’s future and managing our budget to stay out of debt. So I guess since I support and vote for people who want to govern the way I lived I should get sick and die in your mind.

          Yep, karma is a bitch. Yet, I do not wish this virus nor any other on you Commissar, or your family or friends.

          I guess that is the backbone of how we differ. A very important difference as well. It goes along with the likes of the Antifa tactics of blindsiding people at peaceful gatherings just because they wear a hat or support a candidate Antifa hates. It is how the wealthy among the liberals talk a great game but in the end, they live and hold themselves far above the people they profess to want to help.

          I truly hope this illness does not touch you or anyone you know, or me and anyone I know.

          It’s the little things Commissar, in times like these that show one’s true nature, true beliefs, and true hatreds.

          I feel quite sorry for you Commissar. It must be a heavy, heart twisting feeling to carry inside, to wish this or any illness on anyone.

          • SFC D says:

            I’m skirting the edges of that demographic, Sparks. 57 with asthma and a history of reactive airway disease. Commissar, with God and TAH as my witnesses, if I should succumb to anything related to this virus, I will haunt you. Every. Fucking. Day.

          • Commissar says:

            Look, your political values and the way your generation has dominated political power created policies that will cause other demographics to pay huge costs for decades, even generations after you are long gone.

            I am not “celebrating” death. I just think it is karmic justice that a generation that has never given a flying fuck about future generations and has always backed policies that put their short term self interest over all other interests will finally pay a cost for creating a political economy that is utterly incapable of handling a crisis like this.

            You are literally better of living in any other industrial democracy than the US during this pandemic.

            We are going to get he worst of this. Because we never put any value in public health. We always put short term,profits over long term national interests.

            • SFC D says:

              You are explicitly calling death by COVID-19 a victory for your progressive political viewpoint. I’d say that’s close enough to celebrating.

              • Commissar says:

                Nope, that is not what I am saying, if I was explicitly saying that you could quote me.

                • SFC D says:

                  “Thankfully it will disproportionally kill off the demographic that most opposes universal healthcare”.

                  Yup, t’was you who said that. One traditionally gives thanks for receiving what one desires. See also, “celebrating thanks”.

                  Thanksgiving must be a hoot at your house.

              • Hondo says:

                Really? Then try this – emphasis added below to the quote from a previous comment you made:

                I am thankful it will impact the generation most to blame politically for not letting our country prepare of it.

                Lest you forget: the “it” in the quote above refers to Covid-19.

                Elsewhere, you obliquely identified the elderly as that generation most likely to opposed nationalized healthcare. Given that second point, to anyone who has a reasonable command of standard English the first portion of that sentence clearly says that its author is thankful that Covid-19 is disproportionately lethal to the elderly. Further, the italicized portion clearly identifies your motivation for that ghoulish thanks.

                Your words, Poodle (AKA Seagull AKA Roo AKA Commissar). Own them. Or disavow them. But don’t waste our time claiming they mean something besides what they clearly say to anyone who can read and comprehend standard English.

            • ArmyATC says:

              “You are literally better of living in any other industrial democracy than the US during this pandemic.”

              Do you bother reading your inane bullshit before hitting the reply button? Have you seen the spread of this virus throughout Europe? As of today there are 1,629 cases in Germany, 1,784 in France, 2,182 in Spain, and over 10,000 in Italy.

              • Commissar says:

                I stated a fact.

                Our healthcare system is the worst of the top ten wealthiest industrial democracies in the world and when we rank it according to the top 28 we still fall in the bottom half of every metric except elective surgery.

                It is also the most expensive per capital.

                And the fact that we do not have a national healthcare system means we cannot coordinate the response to a epidemic nor can me collect effective and accurate data or maintain a single reporting system.

                Nor can we link our date reporting with the international reporting system the rest of the industrial democratic is using to manage this pandemic.

                And by putting profits over public health we eliminated, defunded, or underfunded the exact professional expertise and research that we need right now.

                • Poetrooper says:

                  “And the fact that we do not have a national healthcare system means we cannot coordinate the response to a epidemic nor can me collect effective and accurate data or maintain a single reporting system.”

                  Your uber-liberal governor tends to disagree with you.

                  https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/10/gavin-newsom-praises-trump-response-coronavirus/

                • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

                  So YOU’RE saying that we need “quality” healthcare like in Canada or [Formerly] Great Britain where it’s rationed to the point where people die?

                • ArmyATC says:

                  Yet that stellar healthcare system in European countries has failed to prevent or even mitigate the spread of the virus.

                • HMCS(FMF) ret says:

                  Lars, I know more about this country’s healthcare system than you do – the fucking technocrats that are in the system are the goddamn problem. They’re the one that have fucked up the CDC and other healthcare agencies to the point where NOBODY wants to deal with them. The real reason why docs are dropping Medicare patients – the technocrats fuck them in the ass with all sorts of regulations and paperwork, and then, when they decide to pay them, they don’t pay shit.

                  Get the technocrats out of the system is the first step to fixing it.

              • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

                “You are literally better of living in any other industrial democracy than the US during this pandemic.”

                If he really believes that shit, then why is he still living in the USA?

                • Hondo says:

                  Because he’s a by nature a damned hypocrite.

                • Mason says:

                  He’s very clearly trying to take us down from the inside.

                • rgr769 says:

                  You are correct. In many states doctors refuse to take Medicaid or Medicare patients because the fees are so low they can’t make a profit from their low fee schedules. Plus, in addition they have reams of paperwork and regulatory requirements to fulfill. The doctor my wife (a nurse) worked for had an employee who did nothing but paperwork and calls to the gov’t entities. And then he had to wait months to get paid.

                  • rgr769 says:

                    Oops. that reply was meant for the HMCS. But I will add in reply to Mason’s and API’s comments above that Squidward is merely practicing each of Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals.” It would be interesting to know where his income comes from, other than some gov’t check.

            • Poetrooper says:

              “You are literally better of living in any other industrial democracy than the US during this pandemic.”

              Like Italy, genius?

              • Poetrooper says:

                Man, the comments are coming too fast to stay timely.

                Lar’s idiocy tends to inspire that…

            • Fyrfighter says:

              ” I just think it is karmic justice that a generation that has never given a flying fuck about future generations and has always backed policies that put their short term self interest over all other interests ” Are you talking about FDR with the ponzi scheme that is social security, medicare, et al? or would you be talking about LBJ encouraging dems to pass civil rights legislation? (I trust I don’t have to repeat his quote caught on tape here do I?).. OOh, and while you’re deciding, could you remind me which party both of them belonged to?

              • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

                Let’s not forget about FDR having Japanese Americans cooped up in camps purely because of their ethnicity and AS TO LBJ, I thought he made that quote after passing his “Great Society” agenda which has damage Black Americans worse than anything else in US History.

            • 11B-Mailclerk says:

              They were not the evil/crazies who killed a hundred million people trying to get collectivism right.

              You ain’t gonna win this one Comrade, no matter what you Trot out.

              • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

                Yup, Communism ONLY killed about 120+ million during the Twentieth Century and mindless minions like Lars JUST want to give it one more chance!

                • rgr769 says:

                  Actually, if you add in the people that Stalin deliberately starved to death, the number is closer to 150 million.

        • Mason says:

          All universal healthcare would give you is more people dying in overcrowded, overworked hospitals. Be glad we don’t have universal healthcare, it would be a death sentence to so many more people.

        • NHSparky says:

          Universal healthcare, eh?

          How’s that working out for the Italians, Spanish, Brits, Canadians, Japanese, et al, all of whom have higher infection and death rates than the US?

        • Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

          Well with this comment you realize the twitter comment that you start to realize you live in a nation where one third of the population would gladly kill another third while the remaining third would just sit by and watch.

          It lessens a great deal of whatever credibility you had previously possessed.

    • ArmyATC says:

      “30 million Americans have no health insurance so will not get tested even if they have symptoms.”

      Except, they’ll go to emergency rooms, as they usually do…and get tested.

      “Even if it means emergency daycare centers designed to mitigate spread.”

      Yeah, because nothing says “mitigating spread” more than cramming a bunch of little walking germ factories together in a small space.

      • 5th/77th FA says:

        Due to the risk of being chastised for making personal attacks on an idiot, I’ll just leave this here.

      • Commissar says:

        False. They likely will not get tested.

        And we don’t want sick people going to emergency rooms right now.

        They are not equipped to handle walk in infectious vectors in their waiting rooms.

        • Fyrfighter says:

          Your last two statements are correct, thing is the people that use the ER as primary care (while buying big screen TV’s, cell phones for toddlers, Hoopty rims for their cars, etc. don’t give a rats ass what we want, they shouldn’t call 911 for it either, or half the other dumb crap they do, but they will.
          Additionally, if the do go to the ER, they WILL be tested. (at least that’s what the email I got this morning from our county health department said).. Seems those of us actually in the business might be more in the know about what happens in ER’s than you..

        • Mason says:

          They’ll be tested. Of course they’ll be tested. They’ll be treated at the ER just like they always do. People without insurance call 911 all the time to go to the ER for every little thing that’s bothering them. With rare few exceptions, they are treated, released, and the charges are either written off or paid by the county and/or state.

          • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

            True. It’s against Federal Law for an ER to turn anyone away, thus the freeloaders who show up there for even a case of the sniffles because they’ll skip out on paying the bill and leave everyone else to pick up the tab.

    • Fyrfighter says:

      Well, listened to a bit of the presser that Bernie the commie gave earlier today, and he turned his demand for free shit up to eleventy! Not sure how high the actual cost for what he’s demanding would go, but I’m guessing trillions wouldn’t cover it, probably up to quadrillions…
      And of course, he had to throw in ORANGE MAN BAD!

  10. 5th/77th FA says:

    Allrighty then, we have some escalation. Positive proof that the gubmint is doing something. What and why they’re doing it, we’re not sure. /s/ Read the article linky, buzzed thru the comments (50/50 Trump’s fault and daHell?). We have a nasty bug that is killing folks and can kill more and no one really seems to know where it came from and how it is getting to where it is at. And we have a news media feeding frenzy that is blowing it all over the airwaves. It hasn’t decreased the number of political attack ads or the LiMu Emu ads tho.

    Imma gonna either go out on a limb and/or prove that I am outta my tree here for a minute. There was a very brief blurb on the news about a college perfesser from Boston U that was busted for getting too cozy with a group of Chinese folks from Wuhan. Lotsa money was exchanged. One of the principals was a ChiCom Army Officer who had been given access to sensitive computer links among other things. The perfesser is incognito and the Chinese aren’t to be found. The bug came from Wuhan. Boston U is a hotbed of demonrat liberals. The demonrats (domestic enemies) want to destroy Trump. The Chinese want to destroy us. Please prove me wrong. I’ll watch from my corner.

  11. Comm Center Rat says:

    Is there any statistical data indicating POSers, military phonies, and Stolen Valor thieves are at greater risk of infection from COVID-19? Obviously that ilk has compromised integrity. Just wondering if compromised immunity also exists thereby placing that deranged population at higher risk of contracting the coronavirus.

  12. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    MEANWHILE a number of Virologists have hypothesized that the Coronavirus will not do well come Spring and Summer because heat and humidity are detrimental to it. SARS, H1N1 and Zika didn’t cause the Apocalypse that Commissar Seagull is hyping about and let’s not forget that he panicked along with his herd about the Zika Virus!

  13. SFC D says:

    This just in, San Francisco’s Mayor bans gatherings of more than 1000 people in order to reduce the spread of COVID-19.

    Shitting on the sidewalk is still allowable, however.

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      Ditto with shooting up on the sidewalks and throwing your used needle wherever you please, but DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT Vaping while you’re in San Foo-foo!

    • Fyrfighter says:

      Cuomo in NY laughed at that, and set the limit at 500, then Seattle said “hold my beer and watch this!”, and dropped the limit to 250…

      And a major firefighting conference in Indianapolis that usually draws over 35,000 was just postponed / cancelled

  14. Smig says:

    Do not feed trolls.

  15. NHSparky says:

    Larsie,

    Lemme know when cruises, domestic flights, mass transportation, et al, are shut down.

    Oh, and older people are most in favor of UHC? Bullshit.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/poll-most-young-americans-support-government-run-health-insurance-program

    • rgr769 says:

      If you did a survey of those on Medicare (65+), one would find that about eighty percent don’t want UHC or anything else substituted for the Medicare plus supplemental insurance we currently have.

      I think some Soros funded group gives the commie cuttlefish his talking points every day or so. And let’s not forget this is from the guy who wants all of us over 60 to get the virus and die. My answer is, “you first.”

  16. Ex-PH2 says:

    Wasn’t it Lars the Idjit who lets us know of his dismal lack of real info who predicted the End of the World re: the zika virus, which ONLY affected infants with real damage? And wasn’t he also in a panic attack over something else, earlier on? And now, another one of his “bugbears” has raised its hideous head, only to be not nearly as bad as he’d like it to be.

    Just remember, Larsie Boy, you’re just as vulnerable to this bug as anyone else. I suggest you isolate yourself and give yourself a manicure or something, and stop making ridiculous End Of The World predictions. You’ve got a batting score of 0.0000 so far, with your last two efforts to spook people, and again with this “bug”, you’re still sitting in the dugout, scoring A BIG FAT ZERO!!!!!

    It’s deja vu all over again!