American Thinker

| August 14, 2019

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Poetrooper sends us a link to American Thinker, where the author of a post questions the wisdom of Attorney General Barr’s decision to use the FBI to get to the bottom of the purported Jeffrey Epstein suicide. Something about corruption, cover-ups, and, well, here’s the article:

Let this FBI investigate Epstein’s death? You gotta be joking

Pardon my cynicism, folks, but Attorney General Barr’s declared determination to dig to the bottom of the purported Jeffrey Epstein suicide rings a bit hollow. Had he said he was appointing an independent investigative team headed by an assistant attorney general on loan from one of our southern red states — say, Texas, Alabama or Georgia — where cultural sophistication doesn’t rise to the level of blasé acceptance of pedophilia found in blue, coastal urban enclaves, I might feel more confident. Had he further announced an investigative team comprising veteran sleuths from state police departments from similar red states, with no federal presence other than scientific criminological support, I would be truly heartened.

But to tell this nation that the same federal investigative agency that, we have learned, and still are learning with every passing day, was thoroughly corrupted at its head, leading to deceptive cover-up investigations of powerful political figures, is to conduct an investigation that most of this country now believes may involve powerful political figures from those previous pretend probes is, to borrow A.G. Barr’s word describing the suicide itself, “appalling.”

I know, I know — many of you are going to tell me I should not distrust all the good, honest, hardworking rank-and-file members of the FBI who played no role in their leadership’s treachery. After all, we’ve been fed that line endlessly by politicians and talking-heads. However, it was those same pols and pundits who told us what a reliably trustworthy cop James Comey was when he was heading up the Hillary email inquiry, and that Robert Mueller was such a straight-arrow professional, one who could be relied on to conduct a fair inquest into Trump’s possible Russian collusion. So much for their character-reading skills.

Thanks Poe. Read the rest of the article here: American Thinker

Category: Crime, Guest Link, Legal

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LC

…doesn’t rise to the level of blasé acceptance of pedophilia found in blue, coastal urban enclaves.

That was enough to get me to stop reading. When you try to tie something like an acceptance of pedophilia to a particular political alignment, you have serious problems.

Poetrooper

LC, while you and other liberals vehemently deny it because, for now, it is politically incorrect to do so, there is a demonstrable connection between pedophilia and homosexuality in both genders, but far more so with males. This predatory aspect of homosexuality is the proverbial fly in their ointment of cultural acceptability. Deny it all you want, but life events tell us it is so–look at the Boy Scouts. I will ask you just where… Read more »

LC

So let me start with taking your assumptions (because the research is not quite so simple) and say, sure, a connection exists between homosexuality and pedophilia. How in the world do you get to the asinine conclusion, then, that support of the former means support of the latter? I don’t give a rats ass what two consenting adults do with each other, but the operative words there are ‘consenting’ and ‘adults’ – if you remove… Read more »

5th/77th FA

Well, LC, we found what it takes to make you stop reading, now if we could just find what it takes to keep you from stopping by and seagulling the place up. It was too late and too tired in the evening for me to wrap my head around your wanna be Larsi boi drivel. In your typical fashion you have taken the entire point of the post and gone out into left field. (c… Read more »

LC

If you said you like sex, and I extrapolated from that that you’re fine with raping kids, I’d be an asshole, would I not? I’d be ignoring the fact that you said something with some implicit rules about it, and then went and ignored those rules. People who support the rights -that whole ‘freedom’ thing!- of consenting adults to do as they please with each other aren’t in any more danger of supporting pedophilia than… Read more »

Fyrfighter

LC, You’re not wrong about some things having “Implicit rules” as you put it, and as you point out, what “consenting adults” do between themselves should fall under that. (sorry for the quotes, I can’t figure how to do the whole italics things).. The thing is, those pushing gay marriage are all about destroying any and all implicit rules. They are not trying to just replace what exists with something different, ie a new definition… Read more »

Poetrooper

Yeah, Mr. “Specificity” who says my logic is lacking, seems to be a bit sloppy there himself when he classes all sex offenders as pedophiles. He also fails to consider that one reason why a state like Arkansas could have a higher percentage of sex offenders than, say, a “coastal enclave” like California, is the simple matter of how stringent the laws are in each state and, more importantly, the degree of local enforcement of… Read more »

FuzeVT

You know what else “Mr. Specificity” did? He was looking up – and making a big deal of – where the sex offenders were. That wasn’t the point. The point was that Leftists, no mention of sex offenders (although they COULD be), were likely to be the ones pushing for a rejection of sexual morality. No one mentioned anything about numbers of sex offenders and where they live being relevant.

LC

I didn’t get a chance to reply yesterday – I’ll do so below on your other post in more detail, but I looked up sex offenders as a proxy for pedophiles to give some data -not just Poe’s bias- on how this is not biased towards ‘liberal elites’. And unless someone can make a good reason why, say, ‘sex offenders’ in conservative states have a lower number of pedophiles, statistically, than liberal states, I think… Read more »

LC

I find fault any time someone casts such wide aspersions – imply that liberals are somehow more accepting of pedophilia, and I’m going to say you’re a fool. For that matter, say anyone who voted for Donald Trump is a racist, and I’m also going to call you a fool. And yes, laws vary state by state, but absent any direct numbers on pedophiles, the data on sex offenders is a more useful proxy than,… Read more »

LC

The thing is, those pushing gay marriage are all about destroying any and all implicit rules. This is where I disagree – most gay couples I know loathe pedophilia just as much as any sane person, and aren’t pushing to legalize it. They want rights for consenting adults, not pedophiles. Looking at fringe groups like NAMBLA is like finding the occasional second amendment sort who argues we should be able to own personal nuclear weapons.… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

How come the Left does such a lousy job excluding the “crazies” ?

Unless they are kept around to make the ones just inside that curve look reasonable?

I mean, isn’t that classic Marxist agitation 101?

LC

Exclude them from .. what? How do you tell someone not to identify with you? Even the act of doing so gives them publicity? If some jackass thumps his chest and proclaims his conservative ideology, and then talks about how we need to get rid of the Jews, or the Blacks, or something, does the Right exclude them? Or is it that that isn’t what the conservative ideology is about, so it’s generally deemed not… Read more »

Perry Gaskill

A problem with using the Boys Scouts as an example of coastal depravity is that in a major lawsuit filed earlier this month, there were 300 claimants who said they were the victim of pedophilia. The claimants came from 48 of the 50 states. Still, I’ll grant there’s some substance to the claim that California, for example, attracts more than it’s fair share of the type found at the bottom of a cereal box. A… Read more »

Poetrooper

Perry, I do believe the expression I used that so torqued LC’s shorts is “blasé acceptance of pedophilia found in blue, coastal urban enclaves,” not “high propensity” in coastal “regions,” as you just said. To my way of thinking (and writing) those are far from the same thing. Also, “urban enclaves” should show that I most assuredly was not implicating entire coastal “regions.” My interpretation of the term enclave has always been that of an… Read more »

LC

And my point is that there is not ‘blase acceptance of pedophilia’ anywhere, at least to any notable degree. Implying it does exist in blue states is the pathetic bit.

FuzeVT

I’ll leave the long, well written responses to Poetrooper, but I do have a quick point. In exactly which party is the push for there to be almost no moral limitations sexually? The whole “you do you” concept is based around an “I’m not one to judge [unsaid: and if you do judge you are a bad, bad person]”. Why is abortion held in such high regard? In it’s essence, it is a method by… Read more »

David

1) Conflating all registered sex offenders with pedophiles is a red flag.
2) Show me a Republican with an endorsement from NAMBLA. I’ll wait.

LC

It’s not a red flag; it’s a first-order approximation, since we don’t seem to have data on pedophiles alone.

And who are the Democrats endorsed by NAMBLA right now? Honest question – I looked, but couldn’t find a list.

LC

It’s not ‘no limitations’, unless you’re focusing on the crazy few. It’s ‘let consenting adults do what they want’ – with a big, flashing-neon limitation of, ‘must consent, and must be adults’.

FuzeVT

Oh, I’m very libertarian when it comes to things like this. I’m not suggesting that there should be laws against depravity unless it infringes the rights of others. If leftists were like that (i.e. having a live and let live attitude), I wouldn’t have a problem. My problem is two fold: 1) They tend to want to force their version of morality on others. They own entertainment, social media, and the news media so that… Read more »

rgr769

Seems like LC has never heard of Cass Sunstein and his agenda or NAMBLA.

5th/77th FA

Hey Dippy! Yeah calling you out LC. Again, your seagulling a$$ missed the whole point of the post and my reply. Did you go to the Larsie Boi school of no reading comprehension? The post was about the supposed suicide of a peodophile NOT about pedophiles in general. YOU are the dipsh^t that high jacked the conversation and, again, went out into left field with your BS. I usually don’t waste keyboard ribbon ink on… Read more »

LC

Oh no! I’m being called out?! You say I lack reading comprehension, then point out what the post was about – a post which I said I stopped reading early on because Poe started on such an outrageously stupid insinuation that I couldn’t be bothered. Imagine, just for a moment, that I wrote an article that said, at the beginning, “Well, this is going to be complicated, and clearly beyond the capabilities of racist, inbred… Read more »

LC

I think we agree on more than you’d initially suspect, but for the sake of (attempted) brevity I’ll focus on the areas we disagree about. I’m not sure what is meant these days by ‘sexual immorality’ – and, maybe, that goes partly to your point. But I do have a ‘live and let live’ attitude, and that’s where the conflict comes in. You rightly point out some of the idiotic things about sexual lifestyles that… Read more »

FuzeVT

I DO ACTUALLY have work that I have to do, but there is one thing that I want to respond to. You’re better at the whole quotey thing than me, so I’ll have to go old school and just do “”s: “I think we agree on more than you’d initially suspect” I think you are absolutely right. I think that most people that are on the left and right have WAY more in common than… Read more »

Ex-PH2

Isn’t that kind of like asking the KGB to investigate itself?

Toxic Deplorable Racist B Woodman

Da! Komrad.

Not Stupid Enough To Sign My Name

I am retiring soon from the Federal Bureau of Prisons and I worked at the other Federal Detention Center in NYC. EVERYONE in the ‘chain of command’ at MCC New York is scrambling to cover their asses. I bet the Warden who was relieved gets to RETIRE with full benefits. Management makes NO real efforts to get GOOD people hired to cover shortages. Oh, NO MORE LEADERS in the BOP, just “managers” these days. Certainly… Read more »

Docduracoat

Jeff Epstein’s last words
“Hillary, don’t strangle me”!

Poetrooper

Doc, any thoughts on those broken neck bones?

Ex-PH2

The bone that was broken was the hyoid bone, not the cervical vertebrae.

Hack Stone

Hack Stone mentioned this in the first Epstein thread this past Saturday, but did we not all agree that the correct verbiage for someone who (allegedly) died by their own hand is self-murder?

MI Ranger

Putting on my Conspiracy Theory Hat: PoeTrooper maybe that is exactly what Mr. Barr is doing, he is just also having the FBI investigate it to see who the corrupt people are, and to out them. You know, like in Scooby Doo style! So you get them to talk to the corrupt Security Guards and tell them it will all be ok, they have it covered (recording the whole thing secretly). Then when they go… Read more »

11B-Mailclerk

Interesting that the guy who supposedly hanged himself by bedsheet tied to the top bunk, and kneeling to death,

Had significant fractures to his neck that one typically sees in a “long drop” hanging, or in a strangulation attack.

Odd that.

RGR 4-78

I wonder if epstein had video of the important people with deep pockets and where those videos are.

I also wonder when the story will be changed to “erotic asphyxia” gone bad.

Poetrooper

Another point to ponder in this Epstein epic is the possible role of the Israelis. Ghislaine Maxwell’s father, Lord Maxwell, was long reported to be a Mossad asset and was in fact, while being a Hungarian-born, British subject at the time of his own mysterious demise, buried with full national honors in Israel, in a ceremony attended by several former and the then-current Israeli Prime Ministers. Could Ghislaine Maxwell, the favorite child of Lord Maxwell,… Read more »

Perry Gaskill

Something that bothers me about the Epstein scandal is the question of where were the parents who might have provided a moral compass for the young ladies involved. With that in mind, here’s a thoughtful guide for those who might need to screen potential predators:

Poetrooper

LC likes to throw the “stupid” about quite freely when he just might want to consider that throwing such an absolute hissy-fit over his poor comprehension of a phrase in my American Thinker piece, reflects that perhaps something’s lacking in his own cerebral quickness, which happens to be one dictionary definition of stupid. Here is the phrase that fired his ire: “…headed by an assistant attorney general on loan from one of our southern red… Read more »