Ringknockers out of the closet
TSO sent me this article about Knights Out, which is a gay support group formed at the US Military Academy, West Point.
Thirty-eight graduates of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., came out of the closet Monday with an offer to help their alma mater educate future Army leaders on the need to accept and honor the sacrifices of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender troops.
“Knights Out” wants to serve as a connection between gay troops and Army administrators, particularly at West Point, to provide an “open forum” for communication between gay West Point graduates and their fellow alumni and to serve in an advisory role for West Point leaders in the eventuality — which the group believes is both “imminent and inevitable” — that the law and policy collectively known as “don’t ask, don’t tell” are repealed by Congress.
I always have problems getting my point across when I write about this issue, and I don’t know why. It’s probably because of the biases of the readers who assume too much about what they THINK I’ve said. So let me type this slowly. My problem with gays in the military is not their sexual habits, it’s their inability to follow instructions, their inability to abide by the agreement inherent in the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy. Their constant harangue about how they’re unable to publicly celebrate their private lives in the military.
I’m pretty secure in my opinion that there are not legions of gays just waiting for the DADT to be overturned so they can climb into a few hundred Bradleys and kill jihadists. And I’m also pretty sure that there are lots of gays serving silently and just pleased as punch that they have the opportunity to serve as long as they keep their end of the bargain – and I have no problem with that.
But there’s a much smaller number who think they’re being oppressed because they can’t announce to the world which set of genitalia they’d prefer to have in their mouths. That’s absurd and childish. They certainly don’t need 38 ringknockers to liaise between the straight world and their world.
This is not a sexual behavior discussion. It’s a discussion about whether people are suited to serve in the military. People who can’t follow a simple set of rules for behavior don’t belong in the military. Period. It’s not a question of whether DADT is right or wrong, it’s a regulation – just like the fraternization rules that everyone is expected to follow. The people who can’t follow rules (which aren’t supposed to be like rules in general society) don’t belong in the military. How simple is that?
The military is not a place to be an activist. Whether you’re gay, in the IVAW or an environmentalist. You either serve, follow orders, perform your job to the best of your abilities, or stop wasting the tax payers’ money and be an activist in the outside world.
Drunken fool, Jim Moran makes the worst arguments for overturning DADT I’ve ever read;
“At a time when our military’s readiness is strained to the breaking point from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the armed forces continue to discharge vital service members under the outdated, outmoded don’t ask, don’t tell policy,” Moran said. “Our allies have overcome this issue, facing no adverse consequences from lifting bans focused on soldiers’ sexual orientation.
“Polls show the American people overwhelmingly support repealing this policy,” Moran continued. “Yet, how many more good soldiers are we willing to lose due to a bad policy that makes us less safe and secure?”
Like I said, there aren’t legions of gays lining up outside of military bases waiting for the DADT to be overturned. I doubt overturning it would improve recruiting even a little bit. And the people they’re throwing out would just get thrown out for something else because they want to get out. “Our allies have overcome this issue” is just stupid – culturally, we’re Americans. We’re not like our “allies”. We actually win wars with our military – we don’t have someone to march in behind so we can take credit for their victory.
Why are we asking the American people who don’t have to serve in the military how they feel about it? What could they possibly contribute to the discussion? Ask them if they think a firefighter’s helmet is too heavy, too – their opinion on that would be equally important as their opinion on gays in the military.
I’d be more impressed if Moran could produce an actual number of how many people would be affected by changing the policy. But, just like every other policy for the military to follow that comes out of Congress, it’s more about making the legislators feel good about themselves than it is about improving readiness.
Category: Barack Obama/Joe Biden, Society, Usual Suspects
The fact most of them drive Jeep Wranglers and Mazda Miatas wouldn’t have tipped anyone off, I guess…
Having served in both male-only combat arms units and co-ed units, I shudder at the prospect of turning our front-line units into the soap operas that exist in the rear echelons.
Early last year, the Marine Times had a poll on the same topic. The results were very interesting:
young people prior to entering the service – majority (not an overwhelming) was for repealing the DADT.
However, young people after graduating from the bootcamp – majority (overwhelming) was for keeping the DADT…
Why not just let them form their own brigade? They could even have their own head-gear…pink berets! That’s what they want isn’t, attention? They could sure go tell it on the mountain with their pride berets.
Mt grandfather was in the Rainbow Division in WW I, and he damn sure wasn’t in support of such heifershit.
It truly sickens me that the best armed services in the world have been turned into a social experiment by folks who could not begin to understand the words honor and fidelity, and who openly scoff at the very people who protect and defend their right to do so.
My naive question for the day – why do these schmuck-for-brains fags think they are so special that they need to be treated differently? They want equal rights and equal treatment? Fine! Then STFU about your whiney ‘need’ to be *recognized* as flaming fags. If you are a soldier, be a soldier. You don’t see the heterosexual (‘normal’) soldiers whining and whimpering “Ooh, I’m a hetero! Recognize me! I want rights!” Like 1st Cav says, give the whiney bastards a pink beret, a lacy ascot and some tidy white gloves and tell them to get on with their military duty. Geez!!!
Don’t know about you guys, but I’m looking forward to sleeping and showering with the female troops…..
…after all, ain’t I got rights?
Very small-minded. I didn’t realize that I was gay until several years into the military. I slept with women and had girlfriends but didn’t feel a connection nor enjoy it nearly as much as all my friends. That was until I realized I was gay and it all fell into place. Was I able to hide it for my last few years in the Army? Yes. But it’s more than just following rules. It was lying to my friends constantly when we would talk about what we did over the weekend. I had to lie and make up stories about my Friday night. A team is more cohesive when a person can bring his entire self to the game. Not just part of it. The corporate world has realized that. Many of our allies armed forces have realized it. But for some reason, our military is still ignorant on this one.
Jonn wrote: Oh, boo-hoo. What a tough few years you spent lying about your weekends. I’ll bet you still wake up screaming in the middle of the night. Talk about small-minded – the fact that you think which set of genitalia you put in your mouth defines you as a person is more small minded…no, simple minded…than anything I could write here. Drama queen.
Captain, I empathize, I seriously do, and respect your service. But you do realize that the culture in our country and particularly in the military is not there yet, don’t you? You do atleast acknowledge that the number of people made more comfortable with the change will not meet that made less comfortable, right?
It’s not a moral issue here, its one of what is best for our national defense. I honestly really don’t care who you sleep with. But as an infantryman, I need to sometimes share sleeping arrangements, and I was REALLY HAPPY knowing that my battle buddy (Anon) was straight. Is that “wrong”, quite possibly, but I still slept MUCH better knowing it. You just can’t convince me that cohesiveness was more detrimentally effected by you lying to friends than it would have been had you told the truth to people who wouldn’t be comfortable showering with someone attracted to them, or spooning in the mountains of Afghanistan because you were freezing balls.
Either way sir (ma’am?), thanks for you service.
I swear we don’t plan out this bad cop/good cop thing.