Lessons from the Loud Music Murder Trial
Ammo Land describes the event and trials (yes, trials) of one Michael Dunn, who, during an altercation with a group of youths over their music, shot and killed seventeen-year-old Jordan Davis. Dunn then fled the scene, and was arrested at his home the next day.
I know I for one look forward to the daily “Feel Good Stories” posted here, and I’m sure I’m not alone. But there is a flip side, too, where a situation occurred that could have been avoided if some common sense was applied, and tempers checked. This is one of those.
USA – -(AmmoLand.com)- Michael Dunn is one of the relatively rare criminal defendants who endured two trials and faced two juries for the same incident.
Dunn fatally shot seventeen-year-old Jordan Davis at a convenience store parking lot after an argument over the loud music Davis and his friends were listening to in their red Dodge Durango. While Dunn claimed Davis made death threats, displayed a shotgun, and attempted to get out of his car to attack him, no evidence or witness testimony corroborated his account. Dunn fled the scene and failed to contact law enforcement. A witness memorized Dunn’s license plate number, and detectives apprehended Dunn at his home the next day. He was eventually charged with one count of first-degree murder for the shooting of Jordan Davis, and three counts of first degree attempted murder for firing at a car full of teenagers as they sped away. The state threw in a charge of throwing or firing “deadly missiles” for good measure.
During the first trial, scrappy criminal defense attorney Cory Strolla, operating on a shoestring budget, made an impassioned argument that the state failed to disprove, beyond a reasonable doubt, Dunn’s claim that he shot Jordan Davis in self-defense. According to a juror who spoke to reporters after the trial, Strolla convinced two members of the jury that the state had not met their burden. They refused to convict Dunn on the murder charge and forced a mistrial on the central count. The jury was unanimous, however, on the three counts of attempted murder, although he opted for the lesser charge of second degree, telling the state they believed the act was done in the heat of the moment, not as a premeditated plot to kill. They found him guilty for the “deadly missile” charge as well.
The mandatory minimum sentence for second-degree murder in Florida is 20 years — each. Dunn would get 60 years in prison for the shots he fired that hurt no one, and he’d have to stand trial a second time to resolve the question surrounding the shot that took Jordan Davis’ life.
During the second trial, experienced public defender Waffa Hanania represented Dunn and worked methodically to convince the jury that “Jordan Davis escalated this situation until he ended up dead.” The jury didn’t buy it. After a short deliberation, they gave the state exactly what they asked for: a guilty verdict for first-degree murder. The verdict meant that the jury didn’t just reject Dunn’s self-defense claim — they felt that at some point in the argument, Dunn made a deliberate decision that he was going to kill Jordan Davis, and then he did.
Don West, veteran criminal defense lawyer and National Trial Counsel for CCW Safe said that the Dunn trial provides a “list of how not to act” as a concealed carrier.
Here’s a list of some of Dunn’s biggest mistakes:
When Dunn pulled into the convenience store, he heard the loud music. He could tell it was coming from the red Dodge Durango, and he chose to park right next to it anyway. Had he chosen any other parking spot, Davis would be alive, and Dunn would be free.
Dunn chose to confront the teenagers in the SUV about their loud music. While it was within his rights to do so, a grown man shouldn’t be surprised that cocksure teens out with their friends might take umbrage at a request to turn down the radio. Dunn invited the argument that ensued.
Once Jordan Davis got angry and started shouting obscenities, Dunn could have disengaged. He could have looked away or moved to a different parking spot. Instead, he rolled down his window and, stealing a line from Robert De Niro in the film Taxi Driver, he said, “Are you talking to me?”
Dunn told investigators, “I went over this a million times, and what I should have done is put the car in reverse . . . it was fight or flight. I don’t think there was any time for flight at that moment.” Dunn did have enough time, however, to reach across the passenger seat, open the glove box, grab his holstered pistol, draw the weapon, and rack the gun before firing.
Dunn fired too many times. The fact that the first jury failed to convict on murder says that the first round of bullets Dunn fired could have been considered justified. But everyone agreed that the final burst of gunfire was without justification.
Dunn fled the scene and failed to report the shooting to investigators, Don West says there was no plausible scenario to explain why Dunn left the scene without reporting the shooting to authorities — unless he had done something wrong.
Dunn spoke to police investigators without the advice of an attorney. His voluntary testimony was used against him in court.
Clearly, there are many lessons here for the concealed carrier, but perhaps this is the most important: don’t confuse anger for fear. No one could present any solid evidence or witness testimony to bolster Michael Dunn’s claims that Jordan Davis produced a shotgun and was starting to get out of the SUV to attack him. Without such evidence, combined with that fact that Dunn fled without calling the police, it must have appeared to most jurors that Dunn was inventing facts to justify the shooting.
The second jury, with their first-degree conviction, said that Dunn’s actions amounted to pre-meditated murder. Perhaps that’s true. The jurors with dissenting votes on the first jury must have felt that Dunn’s fear could have been reasonable. Perhaps that’s the truth.
Or perhaps the truth is somewhere in between, in a murky gray area where fear and anger mix. Self-defense is a matter of life and death, but it’s not often black and white. Should you ever find yourself suffering the tragedy of having to defend yourself with deadly force, people are going to look into your heart to determine whether its filled with fear or anger. Before you ever pull the trigger and take a life, you’d better be sure about what those people will find.
A lot to think about, but the real lesson is don’t look for trouble.
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Lol don’t speak, look, or be near anyone less some jackass conceal carry expert reveal how you were wrong for doing so. Good grief the amount of absolute shit this shit industry spouts is beyond belief.
I read more on this Asshole Dunn. He was 47 in 2012 when this happened and was described as a controlling and arrogant SOB by those who knew him. After he learned the next day that he had killed his target, he told police that he called someone he knows in LE to talk about it. That someone later said that HE had called Dunn. Loud music coming from a car filled w/ teenagers? Whoever heard of such a thing. Dunn is nothing more than a murderer. I hope he’s enjoying prison, you know, where it’s always quiet.
Always quiet, except for the screams, moans and occasional gasps from people like Mr. Dunn, getting used to their cellmate, Tyrone or Bubba or Mr. Tiny.
Remember a couple of weeks ago, I took a lot of heat on my opinion of the the Florida stand your ground law and irresponsible CCW peeps. This is one example but thank God these things don’t happen every day. Remember that I just commented that these incidents don’t happen every day.
Lord help, the STUPID was strong in this one. TINS, I have done some things in my cars. Way back when, got the audio guts out of a neighbor’s broke down console TV entertainment system, installed amp, speakers tied into an under dash 8 track tape player (who remembers all of those) and went a rocking down the highway, 62 Bel Aire and then moved it all to a 63 Ford Galaxy 500. Much later on, as a rep, sold massive amounts of high end thump thump on into competition level. “Likes” me some Classic Rock and Classic Country. All of that being said, I had enough proper home training to dial it back when I wasn’t rolling down the hi way. Cannot not stand to be near or exposed to some idiot that is showing their ass in public, especially with music that is not my style. That does not make me pull out my legal CCW and start throwing lead around. This fool deserves everything that Thor, Bubba, Julio, and Mr. Tiny can serve up. You might not can’t fix stupid, but you can lock it up for a while.
In addition to “don’t look for trouble,” a further lesson is, if you are packing, avoid trouble if feasible. This dude was looking for a confrontation and he precipitated it. Most of us have experienced loud, obnoxious gangster rap music emanating from a vehicle full of “yoots.” And most of us have considered the brain dead source, ignored them, and moved on.
I can’t stand those obnoxious a.h.’s either, but I just think how sweet revenge is going to be when the idiots are stone deaf in a very few years saying “HUH” to everyone for every word spoken lol They are destroying their hearing and too stupid and ignorant to know it!
I never enter an area where I don’t feel comfortable. If there is a group of young people, loud music, cars I can’t see into or it’s dark, I take a pass. I never gas at night. I make sure I never need gas at night. If there are certain types of people present, I take a pass. (Yeah, I’m a rassist. I’m also a realist.) I go to a large station that does a lot of business. I park at the pump most visible from the store. I make sure The Russian locks the car doors even though I never leave the area. If I have to go to a pump that is not visible from the store, I wait or drive on. At a parking lot, I park in an area where there are few cars. I’ll walk an extra few hundred feet to avoid having cars surround mine. One extra thing. I’ve been told by more than one LEO to never make a statement to the police without an attorney present. They are NOT your friend. I see TV cop shows and almost invariably the cop tells the perp they want to get his side of the story, that right then is his best chance of telling his side of the story, that they want to help him, that whomever talks first gets the deal, etc. What a laugh. My friends have told me the cops don’t give a damn what you tell them; their only interest is getting you on a story. Then, later when that story varies, they can rattle your cage, call you a liar and otherwise use tactics designed to obtain a confession. I’ve been told to say something along the lines of, “I plan to be fully cooperative with you and give you a statement, but only after consulting with and having present an attorney when I next speak with you.” Never think you can outsmart the cops. It’s what they do for a living. It’s probably your first time being questioned unless you are a regular TAH reader with a lengthy… Read more »
Talking to a cop about your version of what happened is about as smart as talking to a purported “reporter.” They will rewrite/revise whatever you said in a form and context most suitable to whatever they want to pitch.
too much of what you have said is B.S! As a former police officer, I can tell you, do not pay attention to or give credence to TV shows! We were NOT out to screw anyone, we tried to get the true story….!
Finally some rational responses. Dunn of course caused his own problems.
The verbiage I’ve been taught is, “I was in fear for my/their life and I defended myself. I will give a complete accounting with legal council present.”
There are a couple very good videos out on the Fifth Amendment, and why you should use it. Be right back…
This is recommended watching for pretty much everyone.
Cops spend a lot of time building rapport with people. You’d be shocked at how just bs-ing with someone for 15-30 mins through the booking process will get them to talk to you, willingly, without a lawyer, and admit to all kinds of felonies.
I didn’t care what people told me in their Miranda statements. I just wanted to lock them into a story. It’s either the truth or it’s a recorded statement that falls apart when they try to change the narrative.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The First Degree conviction was guaranteed as soon as the Second Degree conviction went through: this was just the State dunking on him. He not only failed to back down from the fight, he picked it in the first place.
What not to do indeed.
Go looking for trouble, and by God, you’ll find it.
Truth!
And it’s sad to say it but there ARE a small percentage of CCW permit holders who think their permit is a quasi-cop badge that gives them a license to go looking for bad guys to confront.
Hey, I’m a “gun guy” and I’ve been one all my adult life, but I still roll my eyes when I hear doughy, middle-aged cube dwellers talking seriously about “tactical training” and “combat reloads.” Like, “Dude, your job is putting cover sheets on the TPS reports at Initech, don’t pretend you’re a member of a SWAT team.”
I have a CCW permit myself, as does my wife, but I don’t kid myself into thinking that I’m “Mr. Sheepdog, Protector of Innocent Sheeple and Confronter of Bad Guys.” The gun is for my protection, period. If I can get out of a confrontation by running away like a little girl, that’s what I’ll do.
Cops get paid to take on bad guys (and God bless ’em for that), I don’t.
Michael Dunn has enough stupid in him to fill a couple of Supertankers.
Sadly, Florida again:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/26/mass-shooting-reported-at-jacksonville-landing-police-say.html
“Jacksonville Landing Mass Shooting Leaves ‘Multiple Fatalities,’ Suspect Dead: Police
There was also a shooting at a high school football game there this weekend.
Shooting at high school football game leaves 1 dead, 2 injured, police say
Fox News Link
It is as if the inner-cities of Chicago and Baltimore are moving to Florida:
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https://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article217363980.html
That’s because in Englewood, the women have had enough and have been taking back their streets and their neighborhoods by confronting the gangbangers and smacking them around, among other things.
Have you been in either Baltimore or Chicago during the Winter? It’s a wonder anybody lives there. 😀
30 years of it, in all weather, from blizzard to heat wave and everything in between.
The shootings happened at a video game tournament. Reportedly, the shooter was pissed because he lost. Maybe it’s time to ban video games.
I bet David Hogg-boi is working up to another reminder of how it’s all the NRA’s fault.
So if someone is taking potshots at people, and you help a couple of them get to shelter of some kind, and then go back to help more, and the shooter shoots at you, but you manage to get close enough to punch him and do so, does that make you the bad guy all of a sudden?
I know about the stand your ground stuff, but there are subtleties in this.
Just askin’ for a friend.
No, the scenario as you describe makes one not a bad guy, but a foolish and potentially dead one.
There is only one recommended way to engage a live shooter, bring your own gun and be prepared and sufficiently skilled to use it.
When you holster your weapon to go into public, leave your middle finger / attitude in the safe at home.
Sound advice to follow…
Wise words indeed.
I can’t claim them. I first heard it when my license to carry class instructor quoted it. Excellent advice though. Becoming a legal firearms carrier 24/7 cured me of any and all road rage tendencies (not that I had any) or idealistic confrontation.
When you have a CCW you are held to a higher standard of behavior. No middle fingers, no cutting people off, be courteous, don’t park next to a car load of teenagers playing loud rap music.
The firearms is the last thing that you go for.