Khalil Lawal identified as Philly driver
The Patch reports that Khalil Lawal, a 31-year-old from Arlington, Virginia driving a Honda registered in Maryland attempted to mow down pedestrians in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania the other day.
After Lawal struck one person, a Good Samaritan blocked Lawal with his SUV, while an off-duty Philly detective confronted Lawal. During the physical altercation that followed, the detective shot Lawal in the face, legs, and torso. He was DOT (dead over there) at the hospital.
The pedestrian was treated and released at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania for abrasions and contusions to his head and legs, according to police.
The officer was treated and released from Methodist Hospital for abrasions and contusions to his head and shoulder, police said.
No one else was injured in the incident, according to police.
Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross has some concerns about the shooting, according to CBS News;
“During the struggle, several shots were fired. The male was hit several times and later pronounced dead at Presbyterian Hospital,” said Ross.
Ross added, “I do have some concerns about the shooting. In particular, whether all the shots were necessary.”
Yeah, well, if he was still alive when he got to the hospital, the detective fired one less shot than he should have, Mr Police Commissioner.
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“I do have some concerns about the shooting. In particular, whether all the shots were necessary.”
The detective used enough shots to stop the threat. Good shoot.
Armchair referee not personally involved in the physical altercation where the LEO was attempting to protect innocent lives.
Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross: if you suck up to the activists any harder, you’re going to be up their butts so far only your feet are sticking out.
Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross is playing stupid political games with the life and reputation of a man on the front lines.
Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross is the lowest of the low, a scumbag sine qua non.
Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross – you job is to take care of your people, you narcissist SOB.
Richard Ross has his head so far up the Activists’ asses the only daylight he sees is through their belly buttons!
Ross seems more concerned with perception than reality. The only way I can see that the officer could have fired fewer shots would be to have stopped after each shot to assess the situation. Doing that would have given the scumbag the opportunity to inflict more harm to civilians.
Ross doesn’t sound to be a cop’s cop, but a politically correct ass kiss. I wonder how his officers feel about him? The officers who go in harm’s way every day to protect. I’m thinking they feel the same about him as some of us do.
How does it feel, Ross, to know your officers think of you as a PC asskiss?
Perhaps the commissioner was taking a page from the NFL and expecting a time out while referees on the field asses the damage after each shot?
What was that Polk County (Florida) Sheriff Grady Judd’s response as to why a suspect was shot 68 times? Something like, “Because that’s all the bullets we had.”
Same response here.
You shoot & keep shooting until the threat ceases to exist.
Richard…aka, “DICK.”
Someone needs to do a ride-along, or better yet, walk a beat by himself.
I have concerns too. He needs more range time so he can keep them all center mass.
Note to Ross: Pull until you hear click. Still, it would have been interesting to hear what that assclown had to say before he expired, his ambulance being held up by the latest BLM protest
Judge: Officer, why did you shoot the deceased 13 times.
Officer: I ran out of bullets your honor.
I admit I thought that the bad guy was going to turn out to be just a run-of-the-mill drunk or drugged a-hole. I was wrong. I also admit to being influenced by the news reports that I read out of Philly, which, by and large, put much more emphasis on the fact that a citizen was shot and killed by a police officer than anything else. Well, he was a believer, this Khalil Lawal. Meanwhile, I suspect that this story will get real quiet in Philly now. Sssssshhhh.
How about this:
“I’m concerned with the number of shots fired. He should have put the first one through the fucker’s head, thus negating the need for additional shots. The officer in question is being reassigned to the range for remedial marksmanship training.”
“He was DOT (dead over there) at the hospital.”
One less goblin that will have to be fed, clothed and housed at taxpayer expense not to mention the costs of trying and convicting him.
The commissioner needs to be demoted to fecal matter control at city dog pound.
Ross is not a cop’s cop, by any means. He has wanted to be the police commish for years, in 2008 freely telling the Philadelphia Inquirer of his ambition. He knows what not to do (mention terrorism) and what to do (blame officers) in order to keep his job.
+1
Best advice ever: “Don’t shoot till you think he is dead. Shoot until HE thinks he is dead.” Words to live by.
“the detective shot Lawal in the face, legs, and torso.”
If you can’t do 2 shots center mass and 1 to the head, then “a lot” to the “everywhere” works too.
Remember, it was while engaged in a physical struggle with Lawal – normal range rules have to be modified in that case.
+1
That’s why they have 17rd Glocks
There are indeed some situations where one questions the necessity of the shots fired, but this is not one of those situations.
This was an active threat, clear intent to commit grievous bodily harm on the general public and actively threatening the officer trying to stop said harm.
I’m glad this asshole is dead.
That does not sound like an Amish name.
From the looks of his fakebook he is a Nigerian Prince.
His YouTube like pages are Islamic.
I will be more than happy to donate a thousand rounds of ammo if he is concerned about the number of shots. I can only assume he is concerned about the costs to the taxpayers of Philly?
Perp was a devotee to the Religion of Peace; why am I not surprised?
FUCKING scum is DEAD. Ross is a piece of shit apologist. May his victim recover quickly….
Claw:
Could you please run Khalil Lawal through the Whiz Wheel?
I get 21×3(DRT) for 63 points.
But Claw is the official scorer.
Maybe Claw can give him a special “multiplier of the day” since he was DRT, revived, then DOT.
Roger. Died twice (both DRT and DOT) so he receives a special multiplier of six(6).
Khalil Lawal (DRT/DOT) 21×6= 126
I think it is the multipliers where I get confused.
I can pretty well get the base score with my spreadsheet, but don’t know the multipliers well enough yet.
No subtraction for being undead for some hours, huh?
Dead-Vegetable-Dead.
Sort of like twice baked potatoes or refried beans.
Looks to be a big guy.
Depending on the caliber I’d say a dozen is about right.
I am going a slightly different route than most of the commentators here.
My opinion is based on the idea that we just don’t know enough to judge or discern whether “whether all the shots were necessary.”
Both articles describe that “several” shots were fired and the suspect hit in three areas.
What we don’t know is how many shots were fired in total and the detailed situation of when the shots were fired. For example, the detective had his weapon drawn when he was “assaulted.”
With his weapon drawn, why did the detective not shoot prior to the assault?
We also don’t know if the detective fired more rounds and hit or did not hit the man after the man was down and no longer a threat.
Perhaps that is what the police chief is talking about.
The fact of the matter is that we don’t know.
We don’t know the exact number of shots fired, when they were fired how many times the subject was hit, and the condition of the suspect when they were fired.
I am not saying the detective did anything wrong, only that before we pronounce him a hero or a saint, it might be a great idea to know all of the facts.
We all pretty much agree that the dead man was a dirtball, and based on the reports, the civilian who blocked the car is a bit of a hero.
But police departments and unions have a way of getting out in front of a story and shaping the narrative before the facts are out in order to protect the officer.
It’s too soon, in my opinion, to say whether the cop fired too many shots or not. All we do know is that there is a concern and that concern should be investigated and resolved just like a similar concern with a normal citizen would be investigated and resolved..
“What we don’t know is how many shots were fired in total and the detailed situation of when the shots were fired”.
If the “last one” was the bell ringer then the one’s before it were neccessary to get to the “last one” in the stack.
If the “first one” did the trick then the rest of them did not matter one hoot other than to cost more.
Re-read the story, gitarcarver: “After he struck one person, a Good Samaritan blocked Lawal with his SUV, while an off-duty Philly detective confronted Lawal. During the physical altercation that followed, the detective shot Lawal in the face, legs, and torso. He was DOT (dead over there) at the hospital.” (Emphasis mine) By the news reports (and this occurred in front of witnesses other than the police union) Khalil Lawal had already succeeded in running over someone. A Good Samaritan blocked his car, and the officer in question “confronted Lawal” – tried to take him into custody. That there was a “physical altercation that followed” means Khalil Lawal was not going to submit peacefully to arrest. He had already demonstrated that he was a threat to the lives of those in the area. It was during the “physical altercation that followed” that the officer shot Khalil Lawal. Lawal did not stop after being shot or shot at, but continued the fight, which might reasonably be construed at this point as a fight for the life of the officer and the bystanders. The officer was not standing off away from Lawal firing at him. That much is clear to anyone reading with comprehension. The officer was engaged in a hand-to-hand fight with a man who had demonstrated his willingness and intent to kill or maim innocent people. To put it plainly and clearly: the officer was involved in a physical fight for his life. In such a case, (a) there is no damn way in the world to take careful aim at the perpetrator and (b) in order to live you shoot and keep shooting until the threat ceases – in cases like this that means until the perpetrator is dead. The only “concern” here is by Philadelphia Police Commissioner Richard Ross to generate the right “optics” for the Activists. Richard Ross is a disgrace to lowlife scumbags everywhere for his displayed willingness to second-guess a man who was trying to protect the lives of the innocent and to keep from being killed himself. Everything Richard Ross is doing is making the… Read more »
I did read the articles, Graybeard.
There is no doubt that the altercation / fight took place. What I asked was “why didn’t the officer fire when the subject approached him?”
From the Patch article:
The off-duty office saw the scene unfolding, exited his truck, drew his service weapon, identified himself as police and confronted Lawal, police said.
You make the point that the man was obviously not going to stop. If it is that “obvious,” then why not shoot before the physical part of the incident starts?
You wrote: The officer was not standing off away from Lawal firing at him. That much is clear to anyone reading with comprehension.
Thank you for the strawman argument as I never claimed that the officer was initially firing at the dirtbag from a distance. I asked “with his weapon drawn, why did the detective not shoot prior to the assault?”
In such a case, (a) there is no damn way in the world to take careful aim at the perpetrator and (b) in order to live you shoot and keep shooting until the threat ceases – in cases like this that means until the perpetrator is dead.
You were fine up until the point where you say the threat ends when the perpetrator is dead.
That’s not the legal standard. If the scumbag is down on the ground and no longer poses a threat, the officer cannot fire again.
Like I said, we don’t know if the officer fired after the threat had ceased or not.
All I am saying is that there needs to be disclosure of all the facts before passing judgement on this case.
While you argue that the Commissioner is a scumbag, I would also argue that the Philly Police don’t have the best reputation as well.
Let’s let it all come to light before making judgements.
“I asked ‘“with his weapon drawn, why did the detective not shoot prior to the assault?”'” (Crazy punctuation I had to use.)
Shoot prior to the assault? The only deadly weapons that were used were the subject’s vehicle and the officer’s sidearm. If a person who is suspected of committing a violent crime approaches an officer on foot, the officer is not legally free to shoot that person unless a weapon is brandished. Once the physical fight occurred, the facts stop for us. We don’t know whether Jihadi Joe went for the officer’s firearm or what. I agree with you that for purposes of concluding whether the shooting was justified, we don’t have sufficient facts. It was just plain silly for the police commish to say that too many shots were fired, w/o also sharing why he concluded that.
Don’t think so Air-Cav. In Graham v. Connor, the Supreme Court held that the standard of force for the police is the “objective reasonableness” of the officer’s actions.
Do you think that a person who has tired to hit pedestrians with a car coming at an officer with obvious malice should be stopped by force? Even deadly force?
I do. I would have no problems with the shooting in that instance.
But here’s the other kicker…..
If you aren’t prepared to fire, why draw the gun?
Isn’t that against all weapon training?
GC, the only thing i’d say about your comment “I would have no problems with the shooting in that instance.” is that you have to remember,
1. as you pointed out, Philly police does not have the best rep.
2. The commissioner is a political appointee in D run city.. unlikely to back his troops
3. most important of all, the perp was black, if the officer was white (i don’t know if he was or wasn’t), then BLM and the rest of the left will blame him regardless, and based on the two points above, the officer will be in trouble regardless.. This could be a perfect case of the “Ferguson effect”
Maybe the commish is trying to get on the good side of the new Philly D.A.? This was said about Larry Krasner, the new D.A., “His plan is to end cash bail (and any bail policy where poor people are incarcerated pending trial,) vows not to jail non-violent criminals, end an asset-forfeiture program, and has also promised to never seek the death penalty.
He’s also expected to toss cases which involve searches without warrants, even if there was probable cause to search.
His campaign got a huge boost from George Soros, according to Fox News. Soros funded advertisements for Krasner which included ‘bragging of his work to free demonstrators from Occupy Philly and Black Lives Matter, and his lawsuits against police.”
Perhaps the chief is just looking around for a bus, just in case?
https://www.themaven.net/bluelivesmatter/news/philly-elects-soros-backed-anti-police-pro-criminal-prosecutor-larry-krasner-jyNsWX1bO0iSRsiQbmGEWw?full=1
Why does it not surprise me that that leftist nazi piece of crap has his grubby criminal paws in this??
“Do you think that a person who has tired to hit pedestrians with a car coming at an officer with obvious malice should be stopped by force? Even deadly force?” No, not when he is on foot and has no weapon.
“If you aren’t prepared to fire, why draw the gun?” You answered your own question. An officer draws to prepare to fire–if necessary. It’s a ready posture.
“Isn’t that against all weapon training?” No, it is not. Believe it or not reholstering is trained, whether one fires or not. In other words, if a situation has escalated to the possibility of deadly force employment, it doesn’t necessarily follow that deadly force will be employed.
I apologize for appearing to make a strawman against you – that comment was motivated by others who have read the same story and called for more range time. That was not intended to directly or indirectly be a statement of anything you said. I should have made that clearer. As 2/17 says, the LEO is not free to shoot an unarmed man in all circumstances, especially after Obama has Blue Falconed relationships between LEOs and the black community. All LEOs have to second-guess what will be said by the armchair analysts when they take an action. The Patch says “A good Samaritan pulled his vehicle in front of the Honda to stop Lawal from leaving the area, but Lawal allegedly go out of the Honda and chased the good Samaritan, police said. The off-duty office saw the scene unfolding, exited his truck, drew his service weapon, identified himself as police and confronted Lawal, police said. Lawal then began assaulting the officer, according to police, which led the officer to fire his service weapon at Lawal. Lawal was shot in the face, legs, and torso, police said. He was taken to Penn Presbyterian Medical Center where he was pronounced dead at 10:15 a.m.” The location of the wounds is consistent with an ongoing, very close, physical altercation. What I intended by saying “in cases like this that means until the perpetrator is dead” is not a legal standard of shooting a down and wounded, no-longer-a-threat perp, but that in cases where, as is apparently the case for Lawal, the perp is not about to stop attacking until he is dead. As long as the attack continues, the use of deadly force is justified. Lawal demonstrated a desire to continue to inflict harm on anyone around until he was killed, judging by the reports we have received. If, as seems to be the case, the officer tried to get Lawal to cease and desist without firing at him, and in so doing allowed Lawal to get close enough to him to physically attack him, then it is evident that the LEO… Read more »
I apologize for appearing to make a strawman against you – that comment was motivated by others who have read the same story and called for more range time.
No problem.
As 2/17 says, the LEO is not free to shoot an unarmed man in all circumstances,…..
Maybe we should ask Daniel Shaver about that.
All LEOs have to second-guess what will be said by the armchair analysts when they take an action.
While I think I understand what you are saying, doesn’t that apply to almost every profession? Lawyers, doctors, teachers, people who drive, etc. Heck, I officiate sports and I guarantee that armchair critics offer opinions all the time.
The location of the wounds is consistent with an ongoing, very close, physical altercation.
They are also consistent with a downed subject being shot again.
I suspect that Lawal did not cease his attack until receiving the shot to the face. Receiving close-up shots to legs and torso did not deter him – but in the adrenalin rush of combat it is possible he did not realize he had been shot. Regardless, he did not cease until the face shot, it appears.
We are speculating. That’s the danger here. I can make the case that without knowing all the facts, the officer was too scared to fire, froze, and then after the fight was over and the dirtball incapacitated, the officer fired again due to the adrenaline coursing through his system..
One of the posters in the thread says that there are cameras in the area. One has to wonder if the police commissioner saw something else that was not in the articles.
By the accounts of the witnesses as recorded in the various news outlets, the LEO took steps to protect the innocent at risk to his own safety. That is the work of a hero.
I am not sure what accounts you are talking about as none of those accounts say anything about the actual number of shots fired, where the cop and the scumbag were when the shots were fired, etc.
We just don’t know.
I do know, after looking at video on one of the news links, that the dozen or so bullet casings were all in an area about 3’x 3′ square on the corner nearest the detective’s truck.
“the Philly police don’t have the best reputation”
Look it was only one bomb and they only burned down an additional 60 homes…it’s not like they burned down the whole city…
That’s where this is going now? Verily, I say unto thee, to a 40-year-old event and an AZ murder? Really. Leaves me with nothing.
^^^^This^^^^
I’d say it doesn’t make a damn bit of difference how many times he shot the useless bastard, just as long as he stopped him.
I was actually at the block prior to where he hit someone, that the news isnt mentioning, where it all started. He circled an intersection gunning for anyone who walked in the street. There werent too many people out but anyone that tried to cross the street he went for (about 4 people) FUCKING SCARY. I submitted to news stations and the police to check tapes there, but you dont hear about it mentioned anywhere. This man wanted blood, for what i dont know. I am disgusted that they are pointing fingers at someone who absolutely saved future lives from being at risk. All they keep mentioning is the “shots fired” and ignore actual facts that this man was truly trying to “mow people down” as you read
Glad he didn’t get you, or more folks.
It doesn’t surprise me that the media is not telling the whole story. Someone has said that “modern journalism is all about covering the major stories. With a pillow, until they quit moving.”
Come on down to Texas, get your LTC, and if you see something like that happen here feel free to empty your mag at the driver.
You hit the nail on the head about the news! Whatever fits their narrative.
Youre right i bet if this was TX itd be an entirely different story. I just hope it doesnt go sour for the off duty cop. For some reason i feel they are trying to downplay what happened for some reason!
It doesn’t fit The Narrative about The Religion of Pieces.
Or I’m just cynical.
In the split second i had in my fight or flight mindset, i am sure out of all 4 corners he was gunning for, there were “people of color” on the one corner, which he bypassed. Not saying anything but i did notice he didnt approach that corner. Just 3 whites and an asian at the 3 other corners…
I’m looking for my surprised face, and can’t find it.
Sure hope that someone is going to reimburse the Samaritan with SUV for any damages to his vehicle.
For that matter, the driver should be recognized and presented with a civic award for his selfless call to action in an emergency.
“I do have some concerns about the shooting. In particular, whether all the shots were necessary.”
That depends on which shot was the fatal shot. If the first shot was the fatal shot then the rest were indeed unnecessary, and the officer wasted valuable ammunition. It is good to see a politician concerned with saving taxpayer money. I am torn between charging the officer for the wasted ammunition or just letting him go with a warning. –
The officer should have dropped his mag, reloaded and emptied that one too. Who cares how many were fired to stop a threat from a deadly animal like this.
Khalil Lawal…SMH.
Looks like the Police Commissioner goes to Costco for his boxes of dicks to eat.
^THIS^
Well, I still can’t confirm he was a committed mooselimb, but his fakebook pages shows he was a fan of the thug life and was against our foreign policy and military activities in the middle east. He recently had some posts about other Muzzies, so it is possible he went jihadi. Not surprised he was fighting the off-duty officer, as he was down with the struggle against whitey and the popo.
There have not been the obligatory protests, at least none I have heard about, been on vacation. But if they are not already showing the cops academy graduation picture and saying he was a member of the Klan, he might be black.
Also, there is enough evidence that this guy was trying to kill people, probably in a stolen car. So they have to downplay the Religion of Piece.
The thread above with Graybeard, Gitarcarver, 2/17 Cav was very informative. Dude WAS Nuts, glad you are ok. Good insights.
There is a problem now with hesitation. If I shoot this guy who is trying to kill people and he is black, I am going to jail. So, the City Governments got what they wanted! The activists are running the show. The citizens have to live in fear.
Congratulations on another well-ventilated terror wannabe.
nobody is asking if khalil is okay? if hes mental state is fine. If he doesnt need some psychologically help either. if Some one isnt okay, does that mean he should die, that he should be shot severally until he can breathe again?
Obviously he wasn’t “OK.” People who are “OK” don’t target pedestrians for death with a motor vehcle.
Whether people who are not okay should die and/or be shot severally depends entirely upon what they are doing while not okay.
nobody is asking if khalil is okay? if hes mental state is fine. If he doesnt need some psychologically help either. if Some one isnt okay, does that mean he should die, that he should be shot severally until he cant breathe again?