New GI Bill goes to President Trump
Bobo sends a link to the Navy Times which reports that the Senate has voted to pass the latest GI Bill and that it’s on the way to the President’s desk for his signature;
The new GI Bill would bring significant changes to the current law passed in 2008. Among its most popular provisions are the elimination — for veterans who left the military in 2013 or later — of a 15-year use-or-lose rule, as well as the expansion of benefits for reservists, Purple Heart recipients and surviving dependents. It would also restore GI Bill benefits to veterans impacted by school closures since 2015 and allocate more funds for college degree programs in the science, technology, engineering and math fields.
If the Forever GI Bill becomes law, some of the provisions would take effect Jan. 1, 2018. Others would start next August, and others — like granting active-duty service members eligibility for the Yellow Ribbon Program — would not apply for a few more years.
Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., ranking member on Isakson’s committee, said the legislation will open doors for service members transitioning back to civilian life and aid them in their transition.
“It also does right by Guardsmen and Reservists by getting them the education, housing and healthcare that they have earned,” he said. “I look forward to working with President Trump to quickly sign our bill into law.”
Category: Veterans Issues
No pony? I wanted a pony.
Bitches dig ponies.
Women dig horses.
‘specially when he gotz a pony.
Even more when they are Sparkle Ponies 👿
I want free Viagra™.
Soldiers are lovers too.
You may not have free Viagra. As one of my friends said last week when we were arguing about the TG issue.
“Unless you were injured in the line of duty and have ED due to that injury, you should not get free Viagra.”
“injured in the line of duty and have ED due to that injury”
Which includes anxiety issues due to the PTSD. I just want to be all the lover I can be. Call it a “perk”. My ARCOM should at least get me a sample or two.
What if we were in Korea and have ED because of “time” in Korea? Does that count?
So us old VN-era goats are left out again. (Whine) Durn. Now I can’t pay for that class I wanted to take on The Bardic Poetry of Attila the Hun. Not fair.
Hell gettin old ain’t it.
Hell every era except current troops is left out on this one. It would be “too much work” to go back and ensure everyone had it….
If we’re not sufficiently educated by now, I think the jig is up for us. Although, I would be happy to take ol’ Unk’s money to get a commercial pilot’s license, just for fun.
Tester was back and forth on this one.
I love the PH rule.
But folks should have to start using this. I see a lot of people taking the VOC REHAB route and using GI Bill benefits later. No issue, I guess, but I believe if they fuck around and fail out, then they should be hammered.
I see a lot of folks just playing around with these benefits while others that could really use them (civilian folks included) not be able to get them.
As I said, I like most of the the changes but there needs to be a few rules of enforcement.
I have an outstanding VA rep where I getz mah skoolin. She really takes a lot of the stress out of the process.
I can understand the frustration that especially an undergrad that is not savvy to the process could go through that might contribute to them giving up altogether. There needs to be reliable and readily available help for the veteran. The VA itself can be difficult to contact and slow to respond. My current rep seems to have a freaking priority line.
Really Green Thumb?
Purple Heart rule?
Riddle me this:
One of the cooks at FOB Falcon back in 2007 got a purple heart. A mortar round hit near thw field kitchen and he got a fragment in his rear area.
He never put a foot outside the wire.
Then, on the other hand, a bunch of infantry dudes in my unit get a bunch of actual valor awards for actually fighting the good fight and delivering the will of the American people to our enemies, and the ones who didn’t get hit by the enemy, who didn’t get wounded, don’t get the same benefits than the coock who never stepped out of the wire?
How is this right?
Are you suggesting that the Purple Heart should be a graded award? Like a first degree PH for people who were wounded or killed in a firefight, while cooks wounded in the messhall get like a third degree Purple Heart.
I am suggesting that Valor awards in the face of the enemy be given their due attention.
Getting fragged in the ass is unpleasant but deserving no life long special consideration.
Too many cases of people like Kerry or John Nash out there. Falling down while being soaped up in a shower somehow got Nash a PH twenty years later. Too much of that crap going on to extend special benefits.
I agree with the valor awards.
The Purple Heart fix allows recipients of Purple Hearts to receive the full GI Bill if they are not medically retired or serve full 36 months.
Its unlikely the sliver of shrapnel cook was getting medically retired or being unable to serve full enlistment (longer than 36 months), although with some malingering experts it wouldn’t surprise me.
Wait, I just realized, I was at FOB Falcon in 2007. Were you at FOB Falcon in 2007?
I was with C Co, 1-30 INF.
Recon 2-23IN/4SBCT
Don’t think we had any overlap then, we didn’t get there till May? 2007.
I was IN also.
You actually get the GI Bill upon honorable completion of service.
The PH rule , as I see it, generally would apply to the NG and Reserve.
So the point you made is moot.
Don’t tell me, tell the Congressmen that introduced the bill that?
https://medium.com/@Rep.ScottPeters/purple-heart-vets-have-earned-full-education-benefits-239e73728993
If you medically retired due to wounds received in combat, I think they wave it.
Furthermore, many states have an honorable discharge waiver as well as the Yellow Ribbon program.
In the case that you highlighted, did the Marine in question retire?
Also, if I read it right, the proposal would effect/affect 660 servicemenbers.
I just re=read it.
The Marine in question medically separated, not medically retired. I do not know the specifics so I will not speculate except to say BZ for getting on with his life.
And I stand corrected, it is 660 a year.
I am a fan of this bill and I like the fact it will make education more accessible to many people.
Being “paid for” in the budget by changing the way housing allowance is paid to veterans using the new version of post-9/11 GI Bill.
Tough to rail against education, but the # of people who used their GI Bill on correspondence courses from Scam U while they spent 3 years with feet up on the couch is pretty staggering. And that tied them over long enough to have their bevy of disability claims approved so they don’t have to work.
I should apply to grad school, get an MA in English. I could not only get the time in the library digging up obscure papers, I’d have enormous fun doing it. Hmmm… my state has a tuition grant for grad school for vets….
Fuck, and I was happy to get a handshake, 214, and MGIB.
I had the old Chapter 30. And I have one year of the plus-up GI Bill.
I took the ARCF in lieu of a signing bonus back in the day. I remember getting my balls smoked back in the day (on the 100+ degree asphalt parking lot on Sand Hill) and the DS screaming “It ain’t about college, its about war. Hoooaaahhh!” For me it wound up being both.
Paid off in the end, I guess. I got 33k cash for college and a couple of Master’s Degrees too boot.
Not a bad deal.
Entertaining a PhD, but we will see. Dr. Green Thumb might be to much for anyone to handle…..including Ms. Green Thumb and myself.
Count your blessings. If the MGIB hadn’t been passed, you could have ended up with VEAP instead.
Hellz yeah, I dodged that bullet and got to switch over from VEAP to post-911 MGIB. Very thankful for it.
Be glad you were still on active duty at the time. Those under VEAP who’d served but had already left active duty at the time that the MBIG was introduced didn’t have that option.
I’m aware, and yes as I said , grateful.
Yes, VEAP vets got the shaft. I was hoping this bill would rectify that.
I’m retired, have a BA and an MS. Thinking about going back to school just to dick off and take a subject that actually interests me.
Go for it. Then you have ammo to smoke those SJW howler monkeys in spades.
Me, I’m considering grad student-at-large, to get in undergrad classes that weren’t offered at my alma mater and then transfer to the grad student program. This should be fun.
Nothing like a doctoral program to take all the fun out of something you actually enjoyed. 🙂
That depends on where you go to classes and what you’re doing. I looked at the curriculum offered now by my alma mater, and find that it has a large selection of classes that lead to professional programs like vet medicine and human medicine, but the ‘social studies’ offered are enough to make you gag.
On the other hand, a university not too far away offers a curriculum that would enhance my narrative process in fiction, including obscure languages, and a curriculum aimed at what I want. And I don’t have to drive 275 miles one way to take them. 🙂
“classes that lead to professional programs”
What professional programs require a doctoral degree as a prereq? I was talking about doctoral programs….it was a jokey joke as indicated by the smiley McSmileface.
and the curriculum tells you nothing about what is actually going on…better G-2 those instructors. No university advertises that they will take the enjoyment out of learning and all but kill your will to live. 🙂
LMAO Sarc!!!
A couple of my colleagues are slugging out a MS up the street at the local Washington State University branch campus.
The hassles they are enduring are sadly hilarious. The academic and administrative goat ropes these two are going through is insane and I wonder at where the tuition bucks really go.
I have always thought there could be no institution on the planet as fawked up as the Army, until I went to work for the state of WA.
OH, okay, I didn’t want to give away anything, but pre-professional curricula were what I was referring to.
‘all but kill your will to live’ – well, when I attended that school the only aim was at cranking out schoolteachers unless you were in accounting or nursing or something like that. It was so outdated at the time that if you wanted to do something besides be a nurse or a schoolteacher, you were viewed as a strange person. No commercial art classes, no computer science, no real prepping for medical or vet medical school – nothing like that.
Oh, yeah – the head of my department was an alcoholic who crashed his VW into the Kentucky Fried Chicken stand one night. Real jackass.
It has changed considerably since then.
and VWs started getting engines in the front, too.
Post-doctoral fellowships come to mind. (smile)
yeah yeah..and M.D/D.O are just undergraduate degrees…. 🙂
Well, but are you in the post-doc ‘publish or perish’ category, IDC_SARC?
Hellz Naw.
Well, you see, there is hope, after all.
🙂
Maybe I’m just a masochist, but I enjoyed my doctoral program when I was still in it.
I still fantasize about going back some day…
I used the GI Bill to get through college.
The VA loaned me money and I paid it back.
BFD.
I used the VA home loan benefit.
I borrowed money from a bank to buy a home and paid it back.
BFD.
Where’s the beef?
I was really pissed when I found out my educational benefits under the Montgomery GI Bill expired at 10 years.
Hell, I had no idea until it was too late. I never had a TAP class, and was never informed of this expiration when I got out.
I’m glad these guys are getting a better deal…but at the very least I should get my $1,200 back, plus any interest at the expiration date.
Used the shit out of the MGIB 100% and it saved my ass from taking a dime of debt for my degree.
The old GI bill paid for 3 1/2 of my 4 years in night law school. So, I thought it was a good deal. No debt for me either, although I had to cash in some mutual funds to pay for the last quarter’s tuition, which is pricey at a private law school.
I used up my GI Bill right before they literally doubled the payout in 2009. So pissed off I missed out on that. Now they are adding even more? Lucky SOB’s.