The death throes of journalism
This last week, CNN finally admitted that they have been pushing the story about links between the president and Russia purely for ratings, not because of some calling to inform the public. When the story fell apart, they accepted the resignations of some of their employees in order to appear as if the network had been duped. So, at USAToday, Paul Schiff Berman writes that CNN should have stood by their reporters and producers;
But should the three journalists involved have resigned? That seems pretty extreme given the type of error involved. After all, unraveling the financial dealings of Trump and his associates with various individuals connected with the Russian government is an exceedingly complex task that will undoubtedly take time and result in at least a few missteps along the way. As journalism professor Phillip Meyer has written, “A newspaper with a zero level of factual errors is a newspaper that is missing deadline, taking too few risks, or both.”
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That’s why CNN and all other media organizations now more than ever need to support their journalists. The White House is clearly coming after them, going so far as to label news organizations an “enemy of the American people.” So, correct errors where they occur, of course. But stand behind your people and send a message to this administration that you will not be intimidated. Democracy, at this moment of peril, demands nothing less.
If I make even a spelling error here, I get pummeled, I can only imagine what would happen if I got a story completely wrong. But, then I’m not a journalist, am I? I do publish original stories, and if I want to continue doing that, I have to give you the truth, but I guess that’s why I’ll never be a journalist.
Meanwhile, the President retweets a video that he didn’t create, that he snagged from Reddit user and CNN lost their mind.
#FraudNewsCNN #FNN pic.twitter.com/WYUnHjjUjg
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 2, 2017
The original video was from a 2007 WWE encounter between Trump and WWE chairman Vince McMahon and modified by a Reddit user. Some CNN reactions to the video;
CNN issued a fiery response on Sunday to President Trump sharing a doctored video of him beating up the cable news giant, saying the clip “encourages violence against reporters.”
“It is a sad day when the President of the United States encourages violence against reporters.
In this video, CNN’s Brian Stetler calls it “scary, dangerous”. Such hyperbole I’d expect from gradeschool playground tattle-tales trying to deflect blame from thier own actions – not professional journalists who have been involved in the systematic mistreatment of an administration elected by the People of the United States.
From CNN Money;
“It’s not just anti-CNN. It’s anti-freedom of the press,” CNN political analyst Carl Bernstein said on “Reliable Sources” on Sunday. “It’s very disturbing. There’s nothing lighthearted about it whatsoever.”
CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post have been some of the president’s recent targets.
On Saturday Trump tweeted that he wants to rebrand “Fake News CNN” as “Fraud News CNN.”
Horseshit. What is disturbing is that the media has become the misinformation bureau of the Democrat Party. It’s also disturbing that CNN reanimated Carl Bernstein as if he has something relevant to say on the subject.
The President followed his video retweet with this;
At some point the Fake News will be forced to discuss our great jobs numbers, strong economy, success with ISIS, the border & so much else!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 3, 2017
Not holding my breath.
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If you make that ‘bad journalism’, I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Those who inhabit the roles of journalists don’t want the truth. They want sensationalism and notoriety, which is not news. It’s yellow journalism.
I think that Trump is tough enough to withstand their assaults. They will never like him, period.
Since when in the past thirty or forty years HASN’T the liberal mainstream mess media been the DNC’s Pravda and propaganda department with a “HERE’S WHAT we see fit to tell you smelly peasants and how you should think about it!” attitude while sneering at us? At least one MSDNC news mouth was caught saying that it’s part of their jobs to shape peoples’ opinions, I wonder if that isn’t the attitude of all of them? They can snivel, snort and sneer all they want, I boycott them all I can.
Well, I see it more as falling on one’s own sword.
Violence against journalists? Well, I’ve occasionally wanted to commit violence against certain local “journalists” because they lied about something. I know they lied because I was present for and involved in the events they lied about, and witnessed them obtain the actual facts which they then proceeded to ignore and suppress. One of these instances turned into a completely-unfounded personal attack on my mother. The reason why I restrained my violent impulses is that these cocksuckers aren’t worth jail time.
I have no desire to commit violence against journalists if they just tell the truth and report the facts. Hey, maybe there’s a workable check & balance system right there: report the facts without spin or propaganda either way, or else get your ass stomped in the parking lot. In a perfect world, right?
Works for me!
Spelling errors on an unedited site strike me as an Ad hominem attacks. If the site is edited, such as a major news site then spelling errors indicate sloppiness. Being sloppy in one area is an indicator that they may be sloppy in another.
But on Trump… completely undignified. Say something if you want about CNN, MSNBC and their vicious unfounded attacks but have some class when you do it. He is making the whole country look like ugly Americans.
Just look at how the lamestream liberal mess media editorializes their coverage. President Trump is thick skinned enough to not care how they feel about him plus he knows how biased and editorialized their coverage is and he goes right around them as well. IMHO the lamestream liberal media is another part of the inner DC Establishment that has been needing a firm kick in the teeth for Decades and President Trump is giving them one!
I think you’re talking about a different President. When has he ever left a personal attack unanswered? There is no feud beneath him. Even with irrelevant cable news morning hosts he’ll carry on for days.
Its far beneath the dignity of a President. And it doesn’t seem to be gaining him new converts among the general public or Congress. So what is it achieving?
George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and Mitt Romney all behaved with presidential decorum towards the hostile press, for all the good that did them.
He doesn’t need to win many new converts. Rather he needs to retain the support and enthusiasm of those who voted for him. We did so largely because he never bent over and accepted the media/Democrat colon job like all those decorously Presidential Republicans who went before him.
Feel free to spout more tired NeverTrump concern trolling though.
You’re absolutely right, QMC.
The press pounded on W daily and he was, indeed, oh-so-presidential about it all.
What did it get him? About an 18% approval rating when he left.
What did it get the country? A democrat House and Senate, Obamacare, etc.
Thanks for staying above the fray, W.
I’ll cheerfully take the guy who fights back.
Actually George Bush left with a disastrous economy and a two front war endless war (still unresolved). He left office with a 32% approval rating not 18%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx
Trump has a good economy and is new on office (always a boost). Attacking everyone has gotten him exactly nowhere as his approval rating is nearly exactly the same and within the margin of error for the poll.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
Not one person running for national office this year has identified with Trump or asked for his help in campaigning. The mid-terms will be more of the same.
Old Maj, as I pointed out yesterday, the underlying problems that caused the 2009 slump were not corrected or resolved by the previous administration. They’ve been dumped off on Trump. Unless Trump can fix them, we’re still facing another recession, and he’ll get blamed for it. It really goes back to the Clinton admin. Bush simply inherited it.
I still don’t understand what you are talking about. The economy is running like a smooth freight train.
Unemployment, interest rates and inflation are all very low. The Capital markets are showing excellent returns. All the metrics that matter to people are pointed in the right direction.
Debt load is high but no one wants to pay it down. Think of it as inheriting your grandparents mansion that is mortgaged to the hilt. The Japanese have gone 35 years with a higher debt load.
Things aren’t perfect but you have not pointed to anything that needs “fixing” or a way to fix it.
If you’re offended by Trump you could always leave the country and renounce your citizenship. Just sayin.
Why should I leave? If anyone should leave he should leave. I have worked harder and longer and sacrificed more for this country than he ever has or ever will.
Ah, yes. The American dream. Work hard, sacrifice, and become successful and a member of the 1% so that your children can be reviled and insulted for inheriting that success.
America! The streets are paved with gold, but don’t you dare get some gold for yourself. Look, but don’t touch.
America, the land of opportunity! Just don’t take advantage of it. Stick to doing those jobs Americans won’t do.
On the other hand, Trump is also saying “We don’t run from fights. We win them.” And “Pick a fight with me? You lose.”
A whole bunch of people see that and say something restrained and dignified like “Fuck yeah!!!!”
There seems to be a whole bunch of folks of the opposition who seem to believe they are the designated shamers and humiliators, and no one may talk back, or even worse, -shame- back, or nonononono, -mock- them.
They set themselves up for this, and have had mockery and disdain coming for a long time. It’s -their- currency, after all. They decided to pick sides, instead of just being reporters. This isn’t just -funny- to watch, it is -justice-.
Some folks got to thinking they were bullies by right of privilege (of mumblesomething). Now they get to deal with someone who will give back better than he gets, becasue he doesn’t -care- what assholes think. And he doesn’t mind mud fights, because he -enjoys- winning. He’ll just send the suit to the cleaners and put on a new one.
Not my first pick for president, not even third. But, I am -very- pleased with his willingness to put self-righteous nincompoops in their metaphorical place, and his unbridled joy at America winning and American Greatness.
About time.
As a concept, I can also agree that a ‘stand and fight’ mentality beats a ‘run for the hills one’.
But the first problem is that when you’re the President and you’re picking fights with news anchors, it’s like you being a fit 25-year old and having a six year old taking a swing at you and thinking, “Oh, game on, kid!” Some times you have to walk away, not because it’s cowardly but because it’s right. The Presidency, as an office, needs to be above all that. Get surrogates to do the fighting if you must, don’t sully the office of the POTUS.
The second problem I see is, sure, we all love someone who stands up to bullies and wins… but the problem is, it’s not the President that’s winning. (And, arguably, he’s the bully.) Sure, die-hard supporters are eating it up with popcorn in hand, but look out at the country as a whole, and his disapproval ratings climb all the time.
Third, it’s all a huge distraction. There are surely more important things for the President to be doing than this. Can you imagine if a cop, trying to secure a crime scene, kept responding to taunts from BLM folks? Or a soldier on guard at a base responded in taunts to every Code Pink idiot who called them a murderer? Sometimes you win the fight more effectively by not elevating the gnats of the opposition to your level.
Oh that’s -rich-. A mega media corporation is a six year old being picke don by a bigger kid? Nope. The big thug CNN is whining “he hit back”! Have you notices that Trump is often polite, until someone smack talks or otherwise is disrespectful? Missed that, huh. So did I at first. The media is owned -no- deferment, or withheld abuse, as they trade in slander and innuendo. CNN jut got caught -red handed- publishing bullshit, to the point of a major retraction. Apologies? Nope. And what horrible abuse has Trump unleashed? He mocked them. He re-tweeted someone else’s (very funny) satire. Oh poor babies. Do they direct that level of enthusiastic bashing on corrupt shitbags like Clinton? (Either) Nope. Clinton News Network. They picked sides. They wanted to be the mouthpiece for the Democrat party, they now can get the “respect” they earned. I have watched them slide -way- down the heap since 1991. They made this situation. Now they get to live in it. I gues the message is “dignified” presidents toe the Dem/CNN line. But the smack talk is not what has flipped their wigs. It is he bypasssing of media to go direct to the Americans. They cant “filter” or “interpret” or “nuance” his raw feed. They just lost control. Well not “lost”. He yanked it away from them. Now -anyone- can go direct and get a message out, including one completely opposite of the media echo-chamber. (Remember that little brag about controlling the message from the Obamacare effort? I assure you, we do, as does Trump.) The media seems to think it is soem sort of a fourth branch of government, deciding what folks need to know to make the right decisions. Now, we get to see and think for ourselves, and the media, quite frankly, is in a -panic-. Long overdue. If someone, day after day, kept falsely telling everyone and his brother that you were in active cahoots with a foreign dictator, with not a shred of evidence except gauge innuendo and “anonymous sources” would -you- respond with dignified silence, patient tolerance,… Read more »
I’m not defending CNN, which I can’t stand to watch either, I’m saying the President of the United States of America is, yes, a bit more powerful than a news agency – CNN is not the ‘big thug’, they’re the smaller thug in this scenario.
And when your job is to handle world affairs, you can’t let yourself get rattled by petty insults. You rail against the media, and rightly so, but you seem to pick POTUS as the lesser of two evils. I’m just saying that still means you’re picking an ‘evil’. Why not ask for higher standards from both POTUS and CNN? That’s what we deserve.
CNN just went after the guy that created that Trump vs CNN meme.
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/07/04/cnn-appears-to-extort-apology-from-trump-meme-maker/
When do they start openly wearing jackboots?
“The media is owned -no- deferment, or withheld abuse, as they trade in slander and innuendo. CNN jut got caught -red handed- publishing bullshit, to the point of a major retraction. Apologies? Nope.”
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/23/politics/editors-note/index.html
“On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund.
That story did not meet CNN’s editorial standards and has been retracted. Links to the story have been disabled. CNN apologizes to Mr. Scaramucci.”
They apologize to Mr Scaramucci because they didn’t want him to sue them and own CNN because of it.
And they only retracted the story because they found out is was false than they were likely going to be sued. And their lawyers probably opined Mr. Scaramucci would likely win. CNN doesn’t have any real “editorial standards” when it comes to Trump or Republicans.
…found out it was false and they….
Scaramucci should have sued them, anyway.
He’d have won.
They’d be discredited, the temporary laughingstock of their breed.
The effect might have lasted a few generations until it was forgotten.
I agree. CNN sucks. Just about everyone already knows that CNN, MNSBC and FOX are all political hacks for their respective party positions.
Slinging shit back and forth with the ones on the other side of the fence isn’t going to change a thing. The president seems to have forgotten the first rule of getting into a shit fight.
Will they apologize for the acts that led to this?
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/07/04/cnn-appears-to-extort-apology-from-trump-meme-maker/
People who use the term “ugly American” disparagingly have obviously not read the book.
I admit, I have never read the book. Could you provide a brief explanation to your comment, please?
The actual hero in the book “The Ugly American” – Homer Atkins, to whom the title of the books refers – was a plain-looking American who lived among the locals; had learned their culture, language, and customs; cared about them; and wasn’t afraid to work along side them (and get his hands dirty in the process) in order to help them. His character was the polar opposite of today’s common definition of the term: an aloof, self-centered individual who remains separate from and looks down on the “locals” because they “aren’t like Americans”.
Thank You.
De nada, amigo.
By the way: it does appear to be 1 in 100M for CJD in the 30 and below age group – if not 1 in 200M. CJD is heavily skewed towards onset late in life, with 97% of cases manifesting at age 43 or later. See my follow-up comment in the discussion of the matter elsewhere.
I never get too wrapped up in the incidence rates of such obscure diseases, because there is a lot of disparity between the various sources.
Both of those incidence rates purportedly come from CDC. I say purportedly as I haven’t seen the numbers from CDC personally and verified that they in fact say what’s been claimed.
When I was in Nha Trang we would sometimes go to a restaurant called La Frigate inside an old French Colonial pensione surrounded by a garden wall. You ate at tables in the garden, and the local lobster was very good and cheap. There was hardly anybody ever in a tiny bar with a couple of ceiling fans that was straight from a scene in The Ugly American or something from Graham Greene.
If you let your mind wander, it wouldn’t have been hard to imagine a prior night when the crowd was Michelin planters on their way to plantations up-country. It was that kind of place.
There was an elderly Vietnamese gardener who took care of the garden. His standard uniform was a pair of khaki shorts, a very clean white t-shirt, flip-flops, and a pith helmet. He was one squared-away old guy.
Most of the time he would either be sweeping with those goofy brooms they had, or watering with a clear poly garden hose. Sometimes when the light was just right, he could crimp the hose in a way to make a mist and rainbows. I always wondered what happened to him when the NVA came.
This is often the view of those who read the book but did not completely “get it” or understand it.
What Burdick and Lederer were doing was drawing a contrast between the protagonist Homer Atkins (and to a degree COL Hillandale) who is physically ugly but and the “beautiful people” (diplomats, politicians, business leaders) who would come to the country in the shallowest of ways.
The beautiful people would act ugly with self-centered arrogance and ignorance while Homer would act beautifully trying to understand the people, living among them and actually help them with their problems.
This is why the coin phrase “ugly American” was adopted the way it was.
If you were directing the “didn’t get it” part of your comment at me – as it appears you were by the fact that you replied to me above – I suggest you re-read my comment. I said pretty much exactly what you did in your comment, just more succinctly.
It is very obvious that the authors of “The Ugly American” were both intentionally responding to Graham Green’s “The Quiet American” and intended the title to be somewhat sardonic – in order to make people think.
It also doesn’t surprise me that the term was perverted by left-leaning opinion leaders of the day. Having the term refer to a heroic Western character who lived among, understood, and actually helped a Third World population effectively conflicted with the standard leftist line of its day – e.g., that all Western involvement in the developing world was in some way “Colonialism” and thus bad, and that “self determination” (e.g., West stay out so they can be co-opted by a Communist minority) was uniformly good.
The “useful idiots” in the press and other left-leaning opinion leaders then discredited the term – possibly doing so unwittingly, dunno. The novel was first criticized as being “simplistic”. They then redefined the term as they desired to refer to those who acted like the antithesis of the book’s actual hero – probably thinking themselves clever at coming up with an “appropriate and new” use for the term.
It also appears you can thank LBJ for our popular culture’s perversion of the term – or at least for making that perversion of the term far more widespread. He used it in a pejorative sense in one of his “Great Society” speeches. Use of the term as in the current pejorative sense, while not unknown before his speech, seems to have taken off afterwards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ugly_American#Presidential_politics
That was not the way you explained it. It is not a “perversion” it is a “double entendre”.
It was JFK, not LBJ that made the phrase popular. LBJ did conflate it in to US domestic policy which may have been misunderstood by some.
He is actually talking about two different things:
“A second place where we begin to build the Great Society is in our countryside. We have always prided ourselves on being not only America the strong and America the free, but America the beautiful. Today that beauty is in danger. The water we drink, the food we eat, the very air that we breathe, are threatened with pollution. Our parks are overcrowded, our seashores overburdened. Green fields and dense forests are disappearing.
A few years ago we were greatly concerned about the “Ugly American.” Today we must act to prevent an ugly America.”
Probably trying to play off the popularity of the phrase.
Ironically of course LBJ followed the exact wrong course of action that epitomized the “Ugly American”. Kennedy on the other hand seems to have understood exactly what was going on. One singular action that he took points to that understanding. I bet someone around here knows what that was.
Are you saying that “ugly American” is a term of praise? I read the book, albeit a long time ago, and I thought the “ugly American” referred to a character(s) who was not very pleasant.
No offense meant, timactual, but your comprehension skills seem to be lacking. I think Hondo explained the term more than adequately.
“Ugly American” is irony. He is literally the good guy. The real “ugly Americans” are other characters.
” “For some reason, the [American] people I meet in my country are not the same as the ones I knew in the United States. A mysterious change seems to come over Americans when they go to a foreign land. They isolate themselves socially. They live pretentiously. They are loud and ostentatious.”[6]
The American Ambassador “Lucky” Lou Sears confines himself to his comfortable diplomatic compound in the capital. The Soviet ambassador speaks the local language and understands the local culture. He informs his Moscow superiors that Sears “keeps his people tied up with meetings, social events, and greeting and briefing the scores of senators, congressmen, generals, admirals, under secretaries of state and defense, and so on, who come pouring through here to ‘look for themselves.’” Sears undermines creative efforts to head off communist insurgency. ”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ugly_American
Again, it’s irony. The real ugly Americans are the other Americans. I think you misunderstand the point of the book. It is not praise of Homer Atkins, it is condemnation of the other Americans, the true “ugly American”.
That is how I read it.
For years, the MSM has gone BALLS DEEP for the Democrat/Liberal/Progressive message and nobody has stood up to them. Trump gets elected and he makes the MSM his personal bitch – and they’re all wee wee’d up because they are called out for their lack of ethics.
FUCK. THEM. AND. THEIR. MESSAGE.
Yep.
They’re all crying about how the President is interfering with the First Amendment.
I read somewhere that the President gets to exercise his rights too.
The butt hurt comes in when he calls them on their lies.
It will take at least a decade (if we’re lucky) to un-fuck the last 8 years.
But all the “kill the cops” rhetoric has nothing to do with all the cop shootings according to these same “journalists” and networks, but a funny video is going to cause everyone to gin down journalists and broadcasters. the hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
I would -love- to hear the media chorus sing condemnation of cop-hate, as loudly as they are currently singing about Journo-hate.
And for Independance day, an officer of the NYPD was assassinated on the job.
Sometimes, I weep for my nation.
That’s an excellent point, Cris, and one that needs to be thrown back in their faces at every opportunity.
Journalism died with walter cronkites BS reporting of the Tet offensive…They just kept up a charade since then, and a poor one at that..
It’s appalling the way that they lionize that lying bastard.
In the interest of fairness, Cronkite had reason to be pissed because of being lied to by William Westmoreland who, as late as November 1967, was telling anyone who would listen that those little VC fellas were whipped, and the Vietnam War was all over except for the stamps for free parking. And then Tet came along.
With all due respect to the late general, my own view is that Westmoreland should have spent more time talking to his own troops in the field, and less time getting smoke blown up his butt by a bunch of ARVN down in Saigon.
They did have one good last go at it.
And they were destroyed -in detail- for it.
And post-Tet, the VC were -finished- as a coherent fighting force. After that, it was almost all NVA. What “VC” was reconstituted post-Tet was a shadow of the former organization.
It has been reasonably speculated that the Ho wanted the VC liquidated to avoid any unruliness in the post-war united Vietnam.
That is also -classsic- communist strategy. Purge the successful revolutionaries to prevent counter-revolution.
But a guy named Cronkite apparently had a grudge to settle. And thus…..
More than reasonable speculation, IMO. More like a continuation of longstanding historical north-south conflict.
Northern and Southern Vietnamese factions had been engaged in an on again, off again civil war for control of Vietnam for over 300 years at the time of the Vietnam War. The DRVN’s elimination of the Viet Cong by way of Tet 68, along with postwar actions that further decimated and/or marginalized the native Southern Vietnamese communist survivors of Tet 68 and the rest of the war, gives great credence to that thesis.
Cronkite had help, but yep.
If Cronkite was fooled by Westmoreland’s lies, that was his own fault. Vietnam was not his first rodeo. I am sure he had previous experience with lying generals. Similar assurances of impending victory were given just before the Battle of The Bulge, for example. And in Korea in 1950.
His lack of skepticism just shows his ignorance and superficiality.
You Fucked Up. You Trusted Us.
These ‘nattering nabobs of negativity’ sure love to dish it out, but lose their minds when it’s directed back at them. The term ‘cry-bully’ comes to mind.
No fair! No fair! He hit back! No fair!
“No fair! No fair! That little fucker hit back! No fair!”
There, fixed it for ya…
Liberals will never understand comedy. That was hilarious.
Sedition has never been in such fashion. This makes the Bush years reisistance look like JV.
Violence against journalists?
I think CNN are part of that 2% of WWE fans that still think wrestling is real….
But there is a clear understanding that Shakespeare in the park is staged?
The assassination of Gaius Julius Caesar is established historical fact. Shakespeare took some liberties with his death and life. But I think Caesar would have been pleased with the work, as he also took some serious liberties with publishing his life, and even in death.
As he fell, mortally stricken, he is said to have pulled his garment over his head, apparently to preserve his dignity in death.
Dressing “Caesar” as “Trump”, and going all Ginsu on him, is kinda a bit more than a comedy bit of wrestling a dummy with a CNN logo head.
Who died, after all?
CNN is starting to look like the 0.0001% that thinks -Star Trek- is real.
You mean it isn’t real?
What about that hollow Earth thingy? Aliens live in the middle of the Earth and fly in and out of the North and South Poles !!!
That has to be true, I read it on the interwebs and they never publish anything that isn’t true on that!
Sigourney Weaver is one of them, that’s why she got such a great part in Aliens, Galaxy Quest and even the Ghostbusters !!!
That’s her real life !!!
Wait, what do you mean Star Trek isn’t real?
Journalist get assassinated from time to time. The last one that was killed for actually doing his job (as opposed to while doing his job) was assassinated by Nation of Islam Gangsters in 2007.
Before that you have to back to the 80s and early 90s to see journalists assassinated in the US for political reasons. There were more than a few back then.
My thoughts, too. At worst, Trump can be accused of inciting fake violence against fake journalists.
The death throes of journalism – is this a self-referential post?
Hmm, once again, it seems that you’ve failed to heed my advice, but I’ll try one more time..
STOP SNIFFING GLUE!!!!
Joey is a believer in better living through chemistry.
One thing you have to give him, it makes his repartee very brief, or as some have said Joey just does a quick shit-n-run.
Enjoying the holiday weekend Joe?
He already noted where he feels he falls in respect to journalism. Did you bother reading it?
Joe Nutsack – go back to what you were doing… sucking off hobos and truckers behind the third dumpster at the local truckstop.
Fucking assclown…
BTW, Joe Nutsack – what is your claim to fame, other than being “retired”? Fluffer on a pron set? Man-hole inspector? Cockholster for Bernie Sanders and his shills?
You guys are going at this all wrong. Joey is barely literate. He also likes to pick and choose what he responds to. He’s a clone of someone else. Therefore, if he had read the following paragraph for comprehension, he’d know that those reporters lied in their teeth just to get ratings.
“CNN finally admitted that they have been pushing the story about links between the president and Russia purely for ratings, not because of some calling to inform the public. When the story fell apart, they accepted the resignations of some of their employees in order to appear as if the network had been duped….”
CNN admits to a lying to get ratings. The reporters resigned to support the network’s lies.
In Joey’s narrow little world, it doesn’t matter if THOSE people lie about something to get ratings, and admit to it. It only matters that they pandered to his notions of how things should be.
I do’t see this as a ‘death throes of journalism’. I see it as a sign of pure desperation on the part of a failing network, a corporate body that will do anything to get an audience, like some of addict on the trail of a fix. When CNN stoops to this level, it is worthless as a source of information. I wouldn’t believe anything they said, including a nuke being dropped on Joey’s pad in CO-land, because CNN is the scumbag group that gives reporting the news a bad name.
I see the same things in the Chicago Tribune. Unlike Joey, the rock-climbing idiot, I can differentiate between the REAL world stuff and the vapid dimwitted crap that is passed off as news.
At some point, someone will pull the plug on the Crapweasel News Network and msnbc, and that will be the end of that.
“Fake but true”
Remember
how another Journalist-in-name-only produced the “damning document” that woudl “finally expose Bush” that was “verified by experts”
that was printed in a modern font -exactly- as the default settings in Microsoft Word for that font, and signed by someone who could not possibly have been physically present, let alone in command?
Yeah, they don’t remember that either. (Down the memory hole…)
Didn’t -someone retract a story that claimed the US used nerve gas in Vietnam? Oh wait…. Memory hole!
Apparently, Fake News isnt a one time thing.
The LSM have been pumping out fake news for over 50 years. I wouldn’t believe anything sworn to by one of their newsreaders as true if the bastard was standing on a stack of bibles with a rope around his neck, holding a lightning rod in a thunderstorm.
The President actively feuding with low rated cable news shows doesn’t appear to me to be elevating the President or advancing his agenda.
Reagan dealt with the press with dignity, grace, and wit.
I know the media has morphed significantly since then, and there is a strong siloing effect between news consumption. If the President desires fawning coverage, there is plenty to be had if he changes the channel.
As President, he is in the unique position to prove them wrong by actions instead of memes.
At this moment, there is a bill he is trying to support that changes 1/6th of the economy and is being perpetually negotiated and can only pass by the thinnest of margins. For a President, this is political surgery. Instead he is talking about plastic surgery.
“Elevating” is not what I would call his responsibility. He’s the President. That alone should be “elevating” enough.
However, he shouldn’t STOOP into the mud and appear to be just as petty as they are. Scarborough and Mika launched attacks on Trump and instead of dealing with what they said, he went after them personally. You don’t roll in the mud with pigs and expect to come out clean.
I like – no I love – the fact that Trump is pushing back on the false narratives and stories the clowns in the media come up with.
I just think he is acting as childish as they and I am not for that. The churlish tweets and attacks are taking away from the good things the administration has done.
“They do it too!” is not the argument of an adult.
Counterpoint:
He doesn’t -mind- getting dirty, as long as he -wins-.
I am not looking for dignified grace in a president, first. I want the toughest non-bullshit SOB in that chair, who would rather cut of his own leg than -lose- an American fight.
I can handle it if the result is, thus, a tad on the scrappy side. Much better than a dignified -zero- that is the antithesis of respected by adversaries.
Say wat you want about Trump re-posting that wrestling with CNN video, but you can -damn- sure count on CNN respecting that he can deliver right back, and there is -nothing- they can do to prevent being mocked and shamed for their jackwagon behavior.
Pure -justice-. Long overdue.
They fling poo, so he just dumped a wheelbarrow of shitty disrespect on them. And they are shrieking like little bitches.
Pure -justice-.
Imagine Teddy Roosevelt on Twitter. 🙂
You mean “walk softly and carry a big stick” rather than “tweet like a 13 year old screaming ‘Mommy those people are being poopyheads to me!'”
yeah sure, if that makes ya feel better.
I was thinking more his “no hyphenated Americans” vignette. Something like that would make PC heads explode nationwide these days.
Dude! He was a Proggy! And TR tweeting would have been mega-American-awesome!
TR’s version of “progressivism” had little, if anything, in common with todays crypto-commie progtardism.
TR’s freedom boner would’ve punched holes through a brick wall. And he wouldn’t tweet about CNN, he would call the offending presstitute up to the podium and beat his ass bare-knuckle on live TV. Remember this is the same Teddy Roosevelt who beat a man nearly to death for calling him “four-eyes.”
I am seeped in liberalism. Nobody I knew was a fan of CNN or thought their journalism was any good.
By ‘feuding’ with CNN he is strengthening them.
There is nothing the media likes more than talking about themselves. There is nothing CNN needs to do more desperately than draw attention to themselves so they can fill 24 hours of ‘content’.
I think this helps “Morning Joe” and CNN more than it helps Trump. Because Trump has power to do things. They only have power to talk about it. And they are gonna talk no matter what – they have hours of vapid TV to fill.
And now their profile is raised and their ratings are up.
What has been accomplished?
B.S.
Hogwash. He makes them look as ridiculous as they are.
This is the problem. He has a health care bill on life support in the Senate. Several Senators are undecided.
He has an unfiltered platform to reach to his supporters.
On this key weekend when Senators who could be yes/no votes at home, he uses it to tell his supporters to tell their Senators to vote yes? Or explain the virtues of the bill?
No, he makes the third rated cable news network look ridiculous? And gives the media another excuse for some self-righteous handwringing about their favorite topic: themselves.
In other words,
with a -tweet-
he took major media off-message on the helthcare bill,
and redirected their efforts instead into impotent apoplexy about -themselves-?
How utterly -diabolical-.
Troll level: genius
My respect for him just went up another notch.
I’m confused.
This genius level troll took the media off message on health care bill.
Does that make it more likely the health care bill passes or less likely? Which one is a good thing?
I’ll defer to your preferred metric.
Congress critters do pay attention to the folks who contact them to express concerns / rant whatever. it is a useful metric for voter-dependent people.
If -left- media is flogging “Trump is a poopyhead”, instead of “Trump is stealing your lollipops”, the left-critters are getting fewer calls about lollipops.
Since House and Senate trend right currently, anything that cuts support out from under the left-side, tends to weaken their side. The right-side will likely be in status quo mode, or perhaps a small “right on!” positive bump.
Trump is a -showman-, a -marketeer-. He is a shrewd manipulator of public media and public message.
The dude is using a -Bill Clinton- technique (which is actually rather ironically funny)
“Your opponent can’t talk with your fist in his mouth”.
Salesman. Marketing. Carnival Huckster. = Control the conversation.
Some of those tweets are random noise.
Some are -not-.
He’s been playing CNN and the rest of the MSM like a fiddle. He’s making them focus on tweets which means people get tired of hearing that kind of thing.
They aren’t learning from it and I doubt they ever will. The same “journalists” who were doing stories about him getting 2 scoops of ice cream, eating KFC with a fork, and so on.
They are playing his game and he’s eating it up. They just don’t grasp that they are playing his game and he’s going to be winning for the next 3/7.5 years at it. Whether they believe it or not.
The Press, et all, see themselves as a critical component of the American system, and to a great extent as the Kingmakers.
In other words, they have a super-size -pride-.
The past admin (as well as others) stroked them, nursed that pride, and they were basically manipulated by zer0 like puppets. But they received what they crave most: “pride”.
Enter Trump.
CNN got bumped out of there pride of place in press briefings, and some “who the crap are -they-” upstarts got the choice seats and questions. And when some media-head pridefully and uber-rudely demanded answers, Trump basically said “who is actually in cotrol in this room?” And -proved- it.
Oopsie. Ego check: “..help meeeeeeee…….” Meltdown time.
He -dissed- them! Openly! Doesn’t he know who they are? Doeesn’t he know they can destroy him?
Oh, wait, he doesn’t seem to -fear- their wrath. He doesn’t -respect- them. They -cant- seem to destroy him, after all.
And suddenly, a whole bunch of media-consumers see behind the curtain to petty twits with megaton egos based on microgram utility, who -can’t- control the message anymore.
Of -course- the Media are going apeshit. They can’t control him, and maybe they now can’t control anyone -else- who decides to defy them.
Hoist on their own petard. Too funny.
But he’s not winning.
All he is doing is looking petty and childish while CNN is getting more and more viewers.
All he is doing is having people look at his tweets and saying “what the hell?”
New polls say that conservatives want him to tone down his tweets. This leads to the question “is he starting to lose the people that voted for him?”
So let’s re-cap…..he is driving people to watch those he hates where they get to continue to talk about him. His base is saying “shut up.” His tweets are distracting from his agenda.
You can fight back and not look like a clown. Well, some people can.
Yeah. We were told he wasn’t winning in August 2016, either, as I recall…..
And even in November, we were told he wasn’t winning.
Right.
Half the people that I know that -loathed- him six months ago are high-fiving his antics and looking forward to seven more years of it.
If he keeps losing at this rate, he is going to have a House and Senate Republican super-majority in his second term.
And all the people that I know – even those who voted for him – are tired of this.
As I said, he should push back, but youcan push back like an adult rather than a child.
You said that,
-here-?
With 3 exceptions, the majority party loses seats in midterms. Historically, he is likely at the peak of his power to push legislation right now.
Winning elections is fine, but what matters is how those wins translate into policies that improve people’s lives and beyond election cycles.
CNN dropping to 880K viewers in primetime is “getting more and more viewers”? Or, if you prefer, “In the coveted 25-54-year-old demographic, CNN was only able to amass 308,000 viewers at its peak”.
So no, he’s not “driving people to watch those he hates”, at all.
http://iotwreport.com/cnns-ratings-plummet-in-june/
Try again.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/cable-news-ratings-cnn-fox-news-msnbc-q2-1202479416/
Yeah, I don’t think that article says what you think it says.
Your article measures a quarter, 3 months, the one I cited measures daily audience numbers.
The fact still stands, CNN is losing viewers during the time when the expensive advertising time is sold.
Found this too, “Over the entire second quarter of 2017, looking at total viewers, only one CNN program placed in the top 20 of all cable news shows, and that was Anderson Cooper’s 360, which landed with a thud at number 20. For perspective, a repeat of Tucker Carlson’s Fox New hour attracted more viewers than any show on CNN.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/18181/just-how-badly-cnn-collapsing-look-these-numbers-james-barrett
Here’s an honest question, then – given that Fox is so dominant, how can a conservative rail against the ‘liberal’ MSM? It seems the most popular media is pretty far to the right, and when you tally up all those broadcast numbers, it’s close to even, with the edge going slightly liberal, but probably within the realm of statistical insignificance. So why is the media, at least the television media, considered so liberal? Because there are more stations that are identified as such? Does it matter if nobody watches them?
What TV media, besides Fox, are “conservative” from your POV?
I don’t really know, but it seems the quantity of providers matters less than the quantity of viewers in terms of messaging, no?
I mean, I could start ten different ‘conservative media companies’ tomorrow, but if I get 2 viewers each, we don’t say it’s Fox + 10 more vs. CNN & MSNBC, right? Total viewers matter, and there it’s pretty balanced, with the slight edge going towards liberal ones. We could get into weighting them by how conservative and liberal they are, too, but I think that’s a lot more subjective. The point is, the right-wing media is nearly as powerful as the left per these numbers, no?
C’mon LC, you have the alphabet array of networks, including the federally subsidized NPR, as well as the nation’s largest newspapers, the NYT, WAPO, LA Times, Chicago Trib, Boston Globe, Atlanta Journal, and on and on, and you want to say we have equal time because we have FOX?
You know, if you actually believe your own argument then you are beyond rational discourse my man.
As Bugs would say, “Sheesh, what a maroon!”
I’m arguing even if there were two thousand left-wing TV stations, and one conservative one, it doesn’t mean that the news is biased liberally if the conservative ones gets half the viewers.
And I left print media out simply because, unlike the Nielsen ratings linked above, I don’t know how many people actually read the paper. Hell, I’m a WaPo subscriber (those numbers are available), but I haven’t read an article for several weeks now. The WSJ leans conservative – but how many people go to it for politics vs. market info? There just isn’t good data on that. It seems to me, and I could be wrong, sure, that most conservatives think that broadcast media is incredibly biased – and you can make that point based on the number of networks that lean liberal, but that doesn’t match how many people get their news from them, which is the more important metric.
I’m definitely not saying you have equal time, but I’m saying the amount of people informed by liberal vs. conservative broadcast media is pretty close to equal. A whole other can of worms would be trying to quantify how liberal and how conservative these networks are, and weigh the results accordingly. But that’s hard to do objectively.
Fox is popular because they are the only one. Americans are naturally conservative not liberal. Journalists are liberal.
Did the CNN rating blip happen, maybe, to coincide with the 600 pound Irish Gorilla leaving Fox?
Where are they compared to 91? 96? 2006?
CNN decided as a strategy to lean further left. To be “world” news, not American. Fox went all-in American, and was all too willing to play counter-balance to the left-other media.
Surprise! Patriotism sells in America!
He hasn’t lost me yet. Now, I would be more likely to vote for him than before.
You can be tough and still be dignified, look at Reagan. He beat the Soviets without fighting. He mixed it up with Cubans, Iranians, Libyans and anyone else that posed a credible threat and thrashed all of them.
He understood that it wasn’t all about him.
I don’t want to “elevate” “the Presidency”. Politicians are already over-elevated.
I don’t think it is elevated, but I do think politicians should be required to go for a minimum of one year with no salary or bennies.
“Get in their face”, the Community Organizer said…
“They bring a knife, we bring a gun”…”Punch back twice as hard”.
Tongue in cheek video? OMG, the horror of it all.
Dignity of the Office? Ha Ha Ha! Let me know when he gets his pecker sucked by teenagers in the Oval Office.
Or bows to some foreign king?
Or stammers when making a simple impromptu speech….
Here’s my own political science hypothesis:
Donald Trump ran against more than a dozen other GOP candidates in the last election, and was picked by the national news media as the least likely to pose a threat to Hillary Clinton. When she lost, they threw what amounted to a childish tantrum that continues to this day.
A WWE parody video of CNN getting body slammed? If this stuff didn’t involve, you know, the fate of the republic, it would be the most fun since the barn dance at Fat Lucy’s.
I think many Americans are looking at Trump as I am beginning to do, at first with a bit of discomfort at his Tweeting but then with growing appreciation for his ability to smashmouth those smart-ass, know-it-all mothers in the MSM, and finally to the point now where I’m looking forward to the tough little fucker’s next knockdown. He’s becoming our champion, the people’s David against the Left’s media Goliath.
I’m an old timer when it comes to media bias, ranting about it since the early 70’s when most folks thought I was crazy, just imagining things, but it was going on back then, just more subtle than now.
Someday, the folks are going to realize that the media, as they are now constituted, are the greatest danger to this country’s continuance as a representative democracy. When that revolution that the loony Left so desires finally comes, urban lamp posts are going to be major hang-out spots for the leftist media.
“When that revolution that the loony Left so desires finally comes, urban lamp posts are going to be major hang-out spots for the leftist media.”
Are you implying that you are okay with journalists who have the incorrect biases being killed? Was a little unclear.
If so, I have some questions?
Huh?
If…
If the “Revolution Now” subset of folks within the left keep pushing for one, they will eventually get it.
Then the much ballyhooed “backlash” will arrive,and yes, a bunch of folks who supported that idiocy may well findehmslves ballasting lampposts.
Revolutions and insurrections are -ugly- and savagely violent.
Look at the last one 160-odd years ago. And soem folks are -shrieking- for another go at it.
Lunatics.
And if they -succeed-, they will discover that rage is not an expression unique to the Left. it is uncontrollable, and monsterous.
Step back from the abyss. Grab one’s overly-radical co-politicals by the scruff of the neck and say “STFU! No, we are -not- going there, again.”
I do not advocate Revolution nor Insurrection. I mean to preserve the dynamically functional Liberty our forefathers bequeathed to us, as it seems the best possible state in which Humanity may live and prosper. If someone insists on trying to violently overthrow that, I intend to see Liberty win.
At -any- necessary cost to myself. By -any- necessary means.
Fair enough answer? Will -you- please do the same?
Just deport them to any place that has a totalitarian government. There are still several in existence. Venezuela comes to mind first, after that, North Korea, Vietnam, and China, listed according to their varying degrees of authoritarianism.
If that doesn’t shut them up, nothing will.
I love it. President Trump is living in the collective heads of all the traitors and he is punking their asses. Fuck CNN and all the rest of the ENEMY. They have, for years, supported the enemies of America, called those of us who are law abiding, God fearing Americans racissst, h8ters, intolerant, blah, blah, fucking blah. He has every right to push back considering “they” have attacked his family. Fuck them all. MAGA bitches‼️
In fairness, he knew the price to play the game.
And oh, how he plays the game! Sweet.
There is a Russia scandal. The fact that CNN has a profit incentive to report excessively on it does not change the fact that the scandal exists. And there is no way in hell you would be OK with or making excuses for this bullshit if Trump were still a democrat. Or if Obama or Clinton officials had so many financial and working ties to Russia and had LIED about them and tried to hide them. The business deals alone would be something you would not be OK with.
“There is a Russia scandal.”
Don’t forget to click your heels together while you say that. And you have to say it three times, or it won’t come true.
JUST ONCE, COMMISSAR Commissar, JUST ONCE, SHUT UP AND GO AWAY.
And take your drivel with you.
Now that you mentioned the Clintons, who was it that set the deal up for the Russians to get lots of uranium? Oh yeah Hildabeast, and who was making some sweet dough off the Russians for ‘speaking’ engagements, oh yeah Billy the perv. Going on 8 months of digging for Russian dirt on Trump. Keep on wishing commie boy.
Please. I beg you. With tears in my eyes. Don’t call Lars a commie boy.
The next thing you know, we’ll have the blog-comment equivalent of Death-by-Power-Point on how neo-Marxian retrograde theory of post-political economics transactional dynamics is in conflict with Adam Smith’s seemingly prescient prediction that a meta-psychological influence would emerge to temper enterprise resolution, and give rise to a Stalinist influenced faction less dogmatic than more outré forms of latter-day National Socialist bund archtypes.
It could get ugly…
Dude, you are -good- at that crap! You could get a PhD from Berkeley.
You missed “intersectonality” and “Trotskyite”.
HEY Babbles McButthead, WTF about a nice huge quantity of AMERICAN Uranium being sold to Russia right after the Ivans made a generous donation to the Clinton Foundation? How about the Haiti Fund scandal? You’re SO brainwashed into a mental oblivion it’s unreal! HAPPY 4th of July to you too Babbles McButthead even though you’re likely sitting a a “safe Space” with coloring books and Play-Doh reciting your prof’s latest anti-American drivel.
That is such a weird coincidence. Almost like the near hundred million that Billy got when he was in office for his campaigning that was funneled through Chinese agents right before he sold a Tomahawk Missile factory to China and gave US support for the Hong Kong handover and Nearly started a war for Taiwan.
Those Clintons are just silly with coincidences.
Do not confuse commie boy with facts. Trump evil, good enough for commie boy. I’m
Just a 3522 truck mechanic Marine from the cold war but I have pics of ships flying Chinese flags in the same harbor in Pohang as our ships. Don’t ask why a Corporal in the Marines asked the ships Boson on the MV Williams why guys were jumping off the ship at 2am.in the morning. That was SEALS looking for munitions and anyone messing with the ship. Myself and a future WO4 were drinking Soju on a pile of ropes on the refuel deck. Good times and puck you commie boy.
Fuck you commie boy. We had a Russian subs and Russian bombers following us on all 3 Team Spirits I was on.
Conviction first! Guilty by party decree! Evidence is not necessary for Enemies of the People!
How very … Soviet of you, Commissar.
Oh, and Happy Independance Day!
One more time, becasue this may be very, very “yuuuge” in the future:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/07/04/cnn-appears-to-extort-apology-from-trump-meme-maker/
Can we send cans of Kiwi to CNN, so they can at least shine their jackboots properly?
Only if you put mustaches on Madcow and her bosses.