Want to See “Single-Payer” Healthcare In Action? Read This.
Linked story pretty much says it all. You might want to grab a tissue (and a dose of high-blood pressure medicine, if you think you might need it) before reading the link, though.
woman says of grandparents forced to live apart
A real-world variant of the “golden rule” is operative here: “He who pays the gold makes the rules.” And in Canada, the folks running Canada’s Socialized single payer medicine pay the gold – and make these kinds of rules.
Of course, under US “single payer” medicine it will be an agency of the Federal government effectively making those decisions – just like in Canada. That’s the same folks that have brought us those “wonderful examples of common sense, simplicity, and bureaucratic flexibility” called the IRS, the EPA, the BLM, and HHS.
But remember: “single payer” will fix American healthcare’s “problems”.
Just like it has in Canada.
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Don’t get me started.
yep…..sigh
There is nothing good that government does that an unfettered private sector cannot do better. Nothing.
Government creates a serious problem in trying to remedy one (or what policy makers and social engineers perceive to be one)and then offers a solution to the problem it created or exacerbated. Single payer has always been the goal and forcing people to buy what they do not want–through oBaMaCare–was an essential and critical element of the plan. As always happens with the passage of time, what was an outlandish and unconstitutional act (oBaMaCare) built on lies and covered by a smokescreen ceases to be viewed as such and the the American Dolt just moves along, oblivious to the loss of more of his liberty.
I’ll go you one further. Every major problem that we are facing today and expect government to fix, was created by government policy.
Immigration
The current state of the economy.
Unemployment.
The high cost of education.
Poverty.
Unfunded liabilities.
National debt.
Etc.
As Clong would say…Einstein, insanity, you know the rest…
You think the private sector can do DoD better?
Really??
I’m sure that you know what he is talking about.
Actually, I’m using exactly what he said. I define “government” in the context as everything for which the executive branch is responsible. That includes the DoD. I also think that government run fire and police are doing better than the private sector could do it. Again, my opinion, but I think these are important distinctions.
Whatever!
To tired to debate that he is talking about how the government is fucking up 80% of what it has its grubby little paws on.
No. Fuck it,,,,, he talking about single payer medical care and Obama care. Not the Fucking DoD, police or Fire Dept.
Since you need it spelled out for you, and you make this argument, I’m sure I know where you stand on the issue.
2/17, I am not trying to speak for you, but some of us understand what your saying.
Lars,, is that you?
For your information, I do not support single payer, and I also think the current plan has many, many flaws. I don’t know Lars, and I’m not Lars. Why is it that some folks get so hostile on here in response to posts that aren’t? My response was to his contention that the private sector can do everything better than the government. It had nothing to do with what the government can do “right” or not. There are many things that the government still does poorly, but I contend that the private sector would probably do worse. A retort could be, “Well, that’s because the government prevents the private sector from succeeding.” In that case, we’re just spinning our wheels. If one starts with a premise that their point is never wrong, then no one can ever respond with an opposing view.
It could be that its your “tone” so to speak…Quite a few of us have been with Jonn’s blog pretty much since its inception. Seen lots of commenter’s come and go around here, too. More than I care to count.
Well, I’ve been reading the blog and commenting (albeit, infrequently) for probably 6 or 7 years. Regarding tone, I try to be as neutral as possible, so I apologize if it came across as anything other than that. Not my intent.
Look at what our Feds did with the Mustang Ranch, they literally fucked up a Brothel and ran IT into the ground, fine evidence on the competence of Government Bureaucrats.
No offense, but the Feds never ran the Mustang Ranch. It’s an urban legend.
The Feds seized the ranch because of the failure to pay back taxes and three months later sold it at auction. In that three months, the bankruptcy trustee thought about running it, but it never came to fruition as local officials outlawed the brothel and then a Federal judge said “Ummmm……No.”
The place was purchased at auction by the same guy who owned it before under a fictitious corporation and he was caught doing that.
The bottom line is that the Feds running the Mustang Ranch never happened.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NUogAAAAIBAJ&sjid=56UEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3589,5494447
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/mustang_ranch.htm
Okay, I stand corrected, but at the same time just what has Federal Government bureaucracy ever touched that didn’t turn to shit?
Just my opinion, but I think the FAA does a pretty good job of keeping planes from slamming into each other in the skies.
Government CAN do some things right, but many, many other times they fuck things into FUBAR in a flash and keep it that way, just look at the EPA, TSA, DHS, Medicare and Medicaid as other examples.
API,
I respect you and that’s why I wrote what I did.
There are so many things that the Federal government screws up, there is no need to use an urban legend to make the point. (And clearly, you tried to make the point using the Mustang Ranch without knowing it wasn’t true and not malice.)
There is very little that the Federal government inserts itself into the does not become more and more of a cluster f***.
It’s all good, I should have checked it out more thoroughly before I ran my mouth.
There is also very little that Willie Clinton doesn’t insert himself into. Being government and all. ?
That’s too bad, because if there’s one thing I’d expect federal bureaucrats to know backwards and forwards it’s that exact business.
Remember when a certain Commissar would post at TAH about single payer was the way to go to make sure everyone would get quality health care and that we should follow the model?
I still see license plates in my AO with “Beautiful British Columbia”… they have the dough and don’t want to wait months or years to be taken care of.
Remember – it’s a feature, not a glitch… if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
It’s no secret that many U.S. Hospitals near the U.S.-Canadian Border are often chock full of the Canadian patients you speak of while many hospitals near the U.S.-Mexican Border end up in the red due to illegal aliens clogging their emergency rooms that often skip out on the bills.
In Cali, the illegals tell the ER staff “Medi, Medi” – Medicare and MediCal piick up the bill for their care.
But to what extent? Many times they only pay part of the expenses and leave the rest of the tab for everyone else to pick up. Like the exorbitant cost of Medical Malpractice Insurance, it gets passed on down to us.
Lars has Munchhausen Syndrome. He’ll be one of their star patients, they’re role model for how to treat people like crap.
I would have guessed Rectus Extractus Verbis Syndrome.
I’d agree, Hondo, except that he always reverts to his latest list of symptoms because they have nothing to do with the subject at hand. You can dispute his polly sigh stuff, you can refute his leanings, and you can point out the obvious, but there is no way to get past his symptoms because only he has inside info on them.
Are there any menopausal females here? (Raises hand). What gets my gander up is that the offing LGBTQ people are being covered in their hormonal quests to fit their feelings and I cannot get a treatment that has long been known to help those with my issue– a very low male hormone level. Lower than the low of menopause. It affects everything. On top on my being self-employed (healthcare 28K before anything kicks in) I must pay $400 bucks a pop for this treatment that could help me, while they get surgeries, and hormones fucking galore. I am never going to be okay on that. What about the discrimination I have to deal with, FFS???????
Yes, but I took conjugated estrogens for it, covered by my HMO policy.
See, this is how this whole thing just blows! What you need, you can’t get because your out-of-pocket deductible has to be covered first, and even if you have a flexpay account to take care of that, how many people are going to have a $28k account to dip into, just for this kind of thing?
It sucks. And you have my deepest sympathis, Defend. I fear it will not get better, BUT, if possible you could try the women’s health care program at the VA. They should offer it everywhere, and their co-pay is reasonable. And yeah, you’re covered if you enroll in VA health care. Just give it a shot.
Call this number: 585-393-7100. Ask them to send you info on the women’s health care program.
Here’s a link to the women’s VA health care section. The priority groups are in the menu to the left on the screen.
http://www.va.gov/HEALTHBENEFITS/apply/women_veterans.asp
DefendUSA,
I agree with you how totally phucked up this system is for you ladies.
AND THEN, I got this e-mail this week concerning Tri-Care coverage on transgenders…..
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/08/21/tricare-now-covering-transgender-treatment-options.html
“We’re going to go ahead and do that because that’s what our patients need,” she said.
“The policy, published for public comment in the Federal Register in February, will allow for hormone therapy and mental health counseling for “gender dysphoria,” the clinical term for those who identify as a different gender than the sex they were assigned at birth.”
I love the usage of the word “assigned”.
I don’t remember someone passing out dicks & vaginas just before I was born and someone saying “here’s your sign”.
I love how the leftard/progtard community uses language to reinforce their BS/bogus policies. “Assigned” my ass! It’s a kind of slow roll brainwashing for the dimwitted sheeple. Oh well, it is just a new definition for the word “assign” for latest edition of the Newspeak dictionary of our Glorious Leaders of the Party. Winston would be proud of our “progress.”
Nasty civilian here. Um, how is changing one’s plumbing going to make for a better warfighter?
It won’t, it’s just more of B. Hussein 0bama & Company doing all they can to fuck the Military up until it’s FUBAR as much and as fast as they can.
It’s not just the military. There’s going to be one hell of a hangover after this party breaks up.
Yeah, Canadian healthcare is a great deal – if you’re not seriously ill. But if you are, you’re likely in a world of hurt. Wait times for specialty care can be long, and patients literally sometimes die waiting to be seen by the appropriate specialist, or to get appropriate treatment.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/cancer-patient-dies-waiting-for-treatment-1.517317
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html
http://www.city-journal.org/html/ugly-truth-about-canadian-health-care-13032.html
But remember: “single payer” medicine is wonderful, and will cure our healthcare system’s ills. Just like it has in Canada.
Just make sure you never get seriously sick.
In my humble opinion, single payer health care in the US, should it ever happen, will look a lot like the VA does now. That should be enough to dissuade anyone from thinking its a great idea.
Given how Government bureaucracies fuck things to FUBAR in no time flat, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they made the VA Healthcare system look like an express lane.
I have to agree with API, the VA will take care of you if you can get past the clerks. I didn’t have any difficulty with it at all, so I think that issue is directly related to the location of the facility and its administrator.
I just don’t like any of this, but we do have to dog our Congress critters about it. Remember, there are millions of people in the health insurance industry alone who will be put out of work by something like this, never mind the other stuff. That is a massive issue.
Everybody pays into a gov’t pool of money and, unless a death committee says you’re a no go for treatment or surgery, the healthcare provider gets paid the same rate/fee no matter who the provider is or where in the US the provider is. Can’t afford to pay into the pool b/c your struggling to get by on 45K per year in gov’t support? No problem. What could possibly go wrong?
So, what happens if an 95-year-old needs very expensive treatment and the death squad either draws out the decision, hoping the patient dies, or rules nyet on the treatment BUT the 95-year-old is loaded and can pay for his own treatment? Will that be okay with the United Socialist States of America?
Sorta kinda on subject- say you identify as a woman but still have those pesky man parts. You sign up for insurance as a woman and are now eligible for, pay premiums for and are enrolled into a health plan set up for women.
Who covers your prostrate cancer??
I dealt with Medicare and Medicaid for many years and was eventually put out of business by them.
I won’t go into details but I can attest that they could fuck up a one car funeral on a one way street.
I am in the VA health system, they have been good to me and saved my life three times, they saved my soul once while they were at it.
It’s the caregivers that are the good ones, the rest of them suck.