Imam murdered in Queens, NY
The other day, Imam Maulama Akonjee and Thara Uddin were murdered by a lone gunman on the streets of Queens, New York. Before the bodies were cold, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) were blaming Donald Trump and his bombastic rhetoric against Muslims for the murder. It turns out that the murderer was this fellow, Oscar Morel, he doesn’t appear to be a Trump supporter. From Newsweek;
“The defendant ran up behind both of them and pumped numerous bullets into them striking them both in the head … leaving them lying in the street mortally wounded,” [prosecutor Peter McCormack] said.
Authorities said on Tuesday that the suspect’s motive remained unclear, and the possibility it was a hate crime was one theory being explored.
Morel, from the borough of Brooklyn, appeared calm and spoke little during his brief appearance. He agreed that surveillance video showed him at the scene of the murders earlier on Saturday, but denied being the killer.
I don’t know why he killed the pair but neither does CAIR;
Muslim leaders chanted “We want justice” and sought a stepped up security including installation of CCTV cameras outside mosques in the area following the incident, that has sent a shockwave among the Bangladeshi community in the neighbourhood and prompted concerns over growing Islamophobia.
The leaders slammed “xenophobic statements” made against the community in speeches by “politicians and candidates seeking the highest office in the land”, in a clear reference to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.
If rhetoric caused murders, all of us white people would be dead from all of the hate speech in recent months. But, I’m pretty sure that Morel wasn’t influenced by political speech. He may use it as an excuse in the coming months, but that doesn’t make it true. I’m still wondering how Morel got a rusty old .38 Special pistol in Queens. Isn’t that illegal there?
Category: Crime
Have they started to blame the NRA as well yet? WTF about all of the Imams that have called for Radical Islamic Extremism on US Soil starting with “Calypso Louis” Farrakhan’s call for the mass murder of White Americans?
Damn. Now I gotta send the NRA another hundred bucks. If they keep this up I’m gonna go broke.
Oh my, ain’t that a shame, now he’s going to see allah and his 72 demons!
Is he is “white hispanic?”
Maybe Newsweek and Time can lighten his skin up…
CNN does too. So many choices.
Y’know, if all the crackers were as filled with hate and dangerous as they’re made out to be…
there would be a lot of dead radicals laying around.
A SpecialSnowflake yelling in a cop’s face that he’s a trigger-happy killer is proof positive that said idjit:
a) doesn’t believe what they’re saying because if they did they’d be running in fear or
b) is hoping that the cop will shoot them to prove their point.
He did us all a favor, another dead towel head! I would buy him a beer if he wasn’t in jail.
Seriously dude, go eat a fat bag of fucking dicks.
And go back to Stormfront or whatever shithole you crawled out of, would ya?
Not all people who live here from the MIDDLE EAST are TOWEL HEADS! Shitty thing to call the friends I have. My friends are Muslim or Christian. The Muslim ones don’t interpret the Qur’an like the nutso ones do. My Christian friend read the same bible I did…don’t judge a book by the cover..
Piss off.
Seek help!
I don’t know why Muslims are blaming Donald Trump. He didn’t make them wear 17th century clothing in 21st century America or make them commit barbarous acts of terrorism.
And how, pray tell, is clothing relevant here? Seems to me the Amish and Hasidic communities wear clothing that could well be considered archaic in 21st Century America as well.
I have no problem judging people according to their conduct – to include what they fail to do, or fail to condemn. But I have a problem with equating appearance with either conduct or character.
The Amish and Hasidic communities do wear archaic attire. They wish to set themselves apart by sight, and they do. So, too, do many Muslims. Assimilation is no longer a desirable goal. One thing though: neither the Amish nor the Hasidim make ordinary American wary just by seeing them. As for your not equating appearance appearance with either conduct or character, who said anything about either? You do form an impression of people by how they are attired, do you not?
You did not explicitly equate appearance and conduct/character. However, from the context the implication that there’s a relationship was quite clear. Otherwise, appearance and clothing would have been a complete non sequitur – and you don’t generally bring up things out of the blue without a reason.
If complete and total cultural assimilation were truly a necessity, the US would have a state religion with mandatory membership and we’d all still be eating solely British-style cuisine. Sorry, but I’m not exactly ready to buy off on either of those being a particularly good idea.
Regarding appearance and impressions: generally not, actually. I try to assess people based on their character, conduct, and competence vice their appearance. I don’t generally give much weight to appearances unless they’re far enough “out there” to be a serious professional detriment.
People doing that (making snap judgments based on initial impressions) is a pet peeve of mine. IMO that falls in the category of favoring style over substance. I personally find favoring style over substance both shortsighted and foolish.
It is, however, a regrettably common behavior. Just look at the results of US presidential elections in 1992, 1996, 2008, and 2012 – and at what came entirely too close to happening for comfort in both 2000 and 2004.
You set up a strawman, responded to it, and then you defend it by calling it implicit. I have no problem saying what I mean to say, explicitly, and if I had meant to equate character or conduct with attire, I would have done so. What you inferred from what I wrote is yours, not mine.
You guys kill me. Can we just simply agree with our local grad student that right wing extremism is the real killer, and move on?
And when I said you kill me, I meant that as high praise.
In regards to the right wing extremists, I’m not sure but I think that is a Berzerkly “Code Word” for THE IRISH. They do seem a bit odd. Color me wary.
Seems to me I merely asked how wearing archaic clothing was relevant, then made a statement of fact (Amish and Hasidic wear archaic clothing also) – much as you did in your initial comment. I then followed that by a statement of personal opinion. Your last statement seems to me to be a similar statement of personal opinion.
You are correct that you say what you mean to say. However, given your profession you are also well aware of how to use an indirect approach and/or language that yields subtle implication when that suits your purposes. IMO you did exactly that above.
You virtually never make non sequitur statements in comments here; ergo, your raising the issue of archaic clothing using somewhat negative language (“17th century clothing in 21st century America”) was almost certainly intentional. Unless you were doing so to imply that those who choose to dress differently are deserving of additional scrutiny on that basis, there was absolutely no reason to bring up that point. Ergo, it is logical to infer that was exactly your intent.
Hondo: you might want to read ‘Left of Bang’. One of the factors (there are many more factors) which a smart soldier or civilian wishing to stay left of bang will observe is the clothing of an individual(s). I agree that I prefer to judge a person by character, but the initial assessment will have influence on the judgement. I would make no snap judgement of an Amish person’s clothing because their clothing style represents a history of peacefulness. A group of yoots wearing baggy pants and gang colors will definitely get a negative snap judgement because the style represents a history of danger.
I am intelligent enough to consider both clothing and situational context. I’m also intelligent enough to be able to separate the two.
How is archaic clothing relevant? Well, I and other people – many of them – wear very archaic clothing to festivals like Renaissance Faires. We also wear sharp weapons such as swords and eating daggers, and a few of us wear chain mail or plate armor (depending on the weather), and carry shields. Some of us carry longbows and arrows.
So we could be deemed people who incite something based on our clothing, never mind all that other junk.
But at Renaissance faires everyone is stunned to non-violence by the massive amount of cleavage present. Who could think with all that cleavage in close proximity?
You left out the codpiece enhancers, MSG. Men in tight tights, y’know.
So “longbow” has 2 meanings?
Well, you see, in Merrie Olde England and Europe, those gentlmen whose plumbing might be considered less than attractive to the Fairer Sexe would attach a codpiece enhancer to their pumpkin pants and stuff it until it bulged. I could show you pictures, but it’s dinner time.
Insh’allah, bitch
New hashtag in 3…2…1
#ImamLivesMatter
Fantastic!
“Keffiyeh Up…Don’t Shoot!”
Allah Lives Matter…
As uncle J would say: 2 dead Tangos, DRT, as Jonn would say!
Morel should definitely be charged. My first impulse is to suggest “discharging a firearm within city limits”.
Seriously – unless someone can show me where said imam and his sidekick were baddies, shooting two unarmed folks in the back of the head, as the song says, “this here killing…has jes’ naturally got to stop!”
extra points for identifying the song.
Agreed. And judging entire groups by their religion (or lack thereof) is problematic as hell.
Not too many years ago, there were many who thought Catholics, Jews, and those from the Orient – or, frankly, anyone who wasn’t a classic WASP – by definition were “not good Americans” and should leave. Just ask the Klan.
As I said above: I have no problem judging individuals by their conduct – including what they fail to do or fail to condemn. But I have a problem with saying “all (fill in religious/ethnic/racial minority group of choice here) are worthless” based on the actions of a few from that group.
With the possible exception of Satanism (which by definition worships the Personification of Evil), no race, religion, culture, or ethnic group is either uniformly good or uniformly evil. All of them include both saints and monsters – as well as a vast majority who are somewhere in between.
I rather suspect that the reason this thread was posted was not b/c two men were shot to death in NYC. Rather, it was b/c the men killed were Muslims and the media/CAIR jumped all over the “hate crime” crapola and attributed the hate to Trump’s rhetoric. Let’s have a show of hands of those who were confident that the shooter would be a white male whose image someone would find in a photo taken at a Trump rally? Thought so.
Okay Lars, you can put your hand down now.
…sounds like a Hall and Oates tune…
‘Way earlier, ‘Cocaine Blues’ as done by the Kingston Trio. Many, many version of the song out there, literally hundreds I would guess
My understanding, from another article I read a few days ago, is that the shooting stems from an ongoing dispute between members of this particular mosque and a local Hispanic gang, nothing more.
Little Sadie?
There is no event-no matter how disconnected from the reality of that event-that the left will not use in any way that they can to try and further their agenda. They will be supported in this always by their propaganda arm-the MSM and they will simply hammer home the narrative until enough people accept it as fact.
A lie is not a lie, so long as it serves the purpose of furthering the agenda of the left.
These are the times that we are living in.
“…sought a stepped up security including installation of CCTV cameras outside mosques in the area…”
I wonder where they go the idea that they are not already under constant surveillance.
I am thinking that there is an entirely different character to this story than the Islams want to be disclosed. Oscar looks a LOT more like he could fit it, with that community, than he does, a total stranger. It won’t be a great surprise to find out that Oscar and the decedents have some background.
Illogical Muslims taking to the streets demanding mob justice without knowing any facts first?
Looks like NYC is the new Pakistan.
Muslims are taking to the streets to denounce something? Really! Well, when the cocksuckers come out to denounce their radical, murdering Islamic brothers around the world, I’ll tune in. Until then, fuck ’em.
Anyone in this country who is murdered and is not a white person, it is labeled a hate crime. Why is that? Is not murder a crime of hate no matter what the race, religion, etc. of the victim? But if you’re a white guy who’s gunned down then it’s…meh, move on, nothing to see here, just random violence. Same is true of all the black on black and brown on brown murders happening everyday in most every large city. They are never, ever called hate crimes. Why not I ask?
Because if it doesn’t fit a specific meme or agenda, the bigoted fools who point the finger and shriek about it can’t get any TV mileage out of it or sue anyone.
Das Rayciss…
Longtime lurker, first time commenter.
The local news are saying there has been an on-going dispute between the muslim community and neighboring hispanic community over parking. Both communities are growing in Queens and parking is always a pain in the a$$ in New York City. So possibly a hate crime in NY if Morel shot them because the were muslim, but not a hate crime if he shot them over a parking spot. As always, journalists and advocacy groups(though is there any real difference?) try to spin facts their way.
The douchebag mayor decried the anti-muslim violence but has been curiously quiet about the growing anti-semitism in parts of NYC.
I heard on the radio this morning this was in response to “a beef” between the Hispanic community and the Muslim community. What that beef is, is anyone’s guess. The parking issue probably works.
As for the rest, the actual reason probably won’t be told because it doesn’t fit the narrative – whatever it is this week.
Whatever it is, Morel murdered two men and needs to see his day in court for it.
CAIR is an enemy organization.
The only competent way to deal with such is to locate, fix, close with and destroy without mercy or compassion.
That goes also for all who’ve supported CAIR, donated money to CAIR or in any way make excuses for CAIR.
To support an enemy is to be an enemy.
CAN’T
ALLOW
ISLAM
REVEALED?
But of course they can blame/protest Trump and any white American they want. If Milwaukee has taught us anything, we know that supposed “minority” groups don’t have to have proof, logic, or anything other than liberal media muscle to get the point across that they are the downtrodden.
How’d he get his pistol? Why, it must be those slackers in the other states that don’t control guns properly. Obviously, this shows the need for better federal gun safety legislation. It’s just common sense.
(/sarc)
(Pppppphhhfffttt!)
You don’t need to use sarc. I am pretty sure we all get it.