Some needed truth about Trump followers
As I noted in a piece here at TAH the other day, critics of Donald Trump like to point to his substantial following as being made up of the great unwashed, the benighted and impoverished lower classes who cling to their guns and religion, xenophobic and intolerant of all unlike themselves. It is a favorite theme not only of the snotty liberal media who look down their Pinocchio noses at conservatives and traditionalists, but also of the elitist Republican establishment that is royally pissed at losing control of the candidate selection process this election.
Except, it appears, that isn’t true at all, as many of us have been saying for some time now. The opposite truth has actually been substantiated by some honest liberals (yes I know it’s generally an oxymoron) who have properly done their homework, those at The Economist, an intellectual publication usually too socially liberal for my conservative tastes. As their research and their graphs in this recent article demonstrate, almost two-thirds of Trump supporters earn more than $50,000 and more than three-fourths have at least some college. Have a look:
What would be interesting to see now is how this stacks up against an assessment of Hillary’s followers. After all, if, as the mainstream media claim, she is the candidate of minorities and the poor, then those income and education figures should take a rather substantial hit. And for those among you who have been reluctant to consider voting for Trump if he becomes the Republican nominee, as you can see, you’re in good company if you do vote for him..
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I am a full fledged member of the “anybody but Hillary” club. Trump is far from my ideal candidate, but just based on what Wide Load in a Pantsuit has said about guns and her alignment with the “BLM” movement I would never vote for her. The next president will be making at least 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices. The youngest Justices on the bench are screaming liberals, give them a few more like minded individuals and we could see a profound shift in many of our basic rights.
I prefer “Let’s burn this Mother*&%$#%#%$( down before I’d vote for Hillary” Club.
Uh, RM3(SS) Sir, I found a typo in your comments… herewith is the corrected copy:
“we could see a profound shit on many of our basic rights.”
Okay, Poetrooper. I have these two separate quotes from WSJ this past week.
“It is not correct that a candidate, who enters the convention with a plurality of delegates although short of the majority, must receive the nomination… In 1976, Ronald Reagan got a million more votes than President (Gerald) Ford in the primaries. But Reagan did not win a majority of the delegates. President Ford did, and so he received the nomination. Reagan understood the rules. Without complaint, he supported the winner. That is how it works.” – “Let’s Get This Straight About the Convention,” Wall Street Journal, “Opinion” by several former national chairmen of the Republican National Convention, April 21, 2016.
“Bill Clinton left office with the highest approval rating of any president since World War II. Mrs. Clinton has spent the past six months in essence saying that everything he did was weak, phony, or wrong…And Hillary’s switcheroos have also come at a price to the Clinton brand. The Sanders purists see her lurches left as false, and another reason not to trust her. Especially when they are combined with Mr. Sander’s relentless criticism of her money-grubbing and Wall Street ties.”- Kimberley A. Strassel, “Berning the Clinton Establishment,” Wall Street Journal, April 22, 2016.
That’s about all I can say. Whoever does get the GOP nod, I will not vote for anyone on the democrap side of the fence. Period.
Amen to the above comments. One question that is still on my mind. Shillery….would Sarc hit that even if he had been stranded in the desert with a bunch of smelly goats for months and the ISIS porno channel shut down? Unless I see his own words to the opposite, my guess is even he would prefer to spank his monkey.
Cruz in the PRofM Primary next week, and the GOP nominee in November whomever it may be.
Can’t let Das Hildebeast’s pant-suited cankles back in the White House.
I guess I’m one of those who really screws with pollster’s minds.
Gun loving, church going, okay with gay marriage, make over 100 grand, have a degree, think transgenders need the STFU and pics in the latrine that they have the body parts for, belong to the NRA and SPCA, eat meat but don’t hunt anymore, didn’t see the big deal with all of rice burner hotrods in the Fast and Furious movies, think #blacklivesmatter is horseshit but would trade one of them for 10 illegal Mexicans because at least they work, had a black guy as my best man in my wedding, think we should build a wall, think Army Aircrew wings are cooler looking than Airborne wings, and I voted for Trump in the primaries.
Just your normal, everyday honky veteran…
And so it goes, another cracker I can agree with; in spite of being a threat to the establishment.
Change that to Navy Aircrew Wings and I’m your huckleberry.
Except the Trump in the Primary part.
Yeah those are kinda cool looking. They’re the shiny gold ones aren’t they? Back in my NG days, had a prior service Navy guy in the unit that had those. I thought he was an Air Traffic Controller at first….
I too am for “anyone but Hillary”….that woman is evil, pure and simple and that is the only thing that is transparent about her
Everything else about her is bovine manure and purely pandering for a vote from those that don’t know how to research her.
She is hoping the uneducated,the overly educated that lack common sense the want it for nothing from the government hand out crowd, LGBT, liberal gruber’s or is that goobers and those that vote democrat no matter who it is crowd, elects her
I want to see her go down in flames and indicted by our justice system.
I am sick of lawyers, Control freaks, war mongering non-veterans or if they were a vet, they were schammers, political staff type officers and not in combat units or they’re all of the above in the White House anymore, they have been screwing us the people for far to long…..like since 1964,every prez since LBJ has done something that has screwed us, from Vietnam to Kuwait to Iraq to taking us off the gold standard and introducing the petro dollar or a trickle down economic policy that bought about a culture of greed from Wall St, which continued to exasperate itself further under the other Clinton with free trade agreements and Ponzi scheme economics, we don’t need anymore Clintons or Bushes and definitely no more limp wristed fudgepacker anal orifice types like the current occupier.
Do we really need to have a lesbian feminazi in the White House ? that’s what we’ll get with Hillary, the perfect ingredients for a continuing 50+ year disaster in the leadership of this country.
Remember Rome fell under similar circumstances from within and from overstretching its resources,
History doesn’t exactly repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme a lot !
Ummm……what?
Take education: on average, voters with a high-school education or less have made up 16% of the Republican electorate overall and a fifth of Mr Trump’s voting base;……
So Trump does do better with the less educated than one would expect carrying more people with an education of high school or less.
Looking at income: voters earning under $50,000 have made up 29% of the electorate and 32% of Mr Trump’s support……
So Trump does in fact have more support with lower wage earners than one would expect.
Those earning over $100,000 have accounted for 37% of the electorate and 34% of his base.
So Trump is not pulling what one would expect from higher wage earners and is in fact below the electorate percentage.
Trump did well in New York and that’s fine.
But just in this past week Trump has flipped flopped on his support / non-support of the NC Transgendered law. (HE did that within three days.)
He now has flipped on his plan to pay down the national debt saying at one point his plan would pay off the debt in 8 years and now saying it won’t be paid off in 10 years if he were elected.
Maybe it is not the education levels or earning levels that are an issue with Trump but rather their belief in a candidate who has no morals, no ethics and no ability to stick with what he says and believes.
I’m always rather surprised that people who are targeted for higher taxes because they “don’t pay their fair share” support candidates that promise to take more of their money for…wasted stuff like giving it to people that won’t work or government programs that don’t work or anything the government touches. Seems odd to me. If you want to give the government more money then have the maximum taken out of your check every week and don’t file for a tax return.
I challenged a short lived liberal girlfriend of mine once just like that. Turns out she was all in taking other peoples money to waste on stuff but didn’t care for the idea of using her money to do it.
OK, Carver, and just how do those 3% (statistically insignificant) differences you cite refute the premise that Trump’s followers aren’t all poor ignorant rednecks, which is the premise of the article?
In fact, you confirm the data by showing that Trump’s supporters are within the statistical norm.
So your point is what?
Be it Trump or whomever, the candidate can flip flop throughout the political yard like a chicken with its head cut off. SHillery, meanwhile can take it like a (Wo)man and be dispatched with one quick chop. That would render her with no less soul than she currently has not. IMHO, she is as close as it comes to being the Anti Christ. Her integrity is so low that her mother “should had thrown her away and kept the stork”. (Mae West 1893-1980
I’m not really impressed by this post. 3/4ths of the college graduates know less than a grade schooler about how our government actually works and even less about how our founding fathers intended it to work
Yeah but a lot of us DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express once…
As Reagan famously said, “There you go again.”
Damn, Jon, don’t you realize the fallacy of your logic? You’re applying your feelings (a great liberal attribute) towards today’s college graduates to a group that is very unlikely to be made up of same. Trump’s supporters don’t tend to run to young and dumb. The correlating income factor pretty much rules that out.
I’m a college graduate, Jon, as are many others who read here, and based on your comments I’d say most of us are just as knowledgeable of how this country is run as you seem to think you are.
You may be a conservative but with your brash comments you’re self-identifying as the conservative equivalent of Commissar.
For the record: I didn’t vote for the current king and I really think our parliament is screwed up. I’m thinking some sort of system where voters elect people to represent them would be kinda interesting…
I may or may not be a conservative. It is often hard to tell from random posts on the internet made by people you have never met. I am also a college graduate and actually attended 2 different University’s in states far apart. I never implied I am smarter than everyone else, I said 3/4 of the people I met in college couldn’t tell you the 3 branches of government let alone how a bill becomes a law or the difference between a Democracy and a Representative Republic. Hell, most can’t even tell you who the Vice President is.
I attempt to argue the issues with Trump supporters on several forums. What I get in return is TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP. People who could care less about what Trump stands or doesn’t stand on and who don’t really care to know. They are just willing to vote for someone that disagrees with every position they have because they are angry at everything. The 2016 equivalent of Obamabots. Ill informed but ready to pull the lever for a carnival act.
From all I see these days, what you say appears to be true. For those of us who went to college in the 60’s, you could pretty much spot the clueless by their clothing choices and their stench. The rest of us were quite well informed, and had to prove it to matriculate.
Having just recently defended my Master’s Thesis from a board of what I assume to be a high functioning sociopaths and the kinds of people who stomp on children’s lollipops just to hear them cry, I find your idea that I know nothing of the government to be laughable. The fact that I was able to formulate, and then later defend, the philosophical principles of modern religious formation based on ancient philosophical and religious principles proves that I know a little more than a grade schooler. Yes, I was a public school graduate, but I also am not one of the social justice whiners that are the modern college student. Oh, I also chose a major that reflects actual scholarly work than “women’s studies”, “liberal art and history,” and “demographic relations.”
Maybe we go back to the concept of strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords as a system of government.
Can’t be any worse than the choices we’ve got now.
Aquatic tarts are not suited to being in charge.
First of all it ‘s not a “pond” anymore, but rather a protected wetlands area. Secondly nobody needs swords and they should be banned. Take your antiquated patriarchy system of oppression and leave.
– Some blue haired fembeast
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