Restraining order fails to stop woman’s death while she waits for her gun permit
The New Jersey Courier Post reports that even though Carol Bowne had a restraining order against her ex-boyfriend, Michael Eitel, and she was patiently waiting for her permit to own a gun to protect herself, that didn’t stop Eitel from stabbing her to death in her driveway this last week;
“She did absolutely everything she was supposed to,” said Denise Lovallo, a fellow hairdresser at O’Hara and Co. in Somerdale.
“Do they have enough now to get him?” she asked of Bowne’s attacker.
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“She got a restraining order about a month ago, and right after that her car windows were broken,” said O’Hara.
Court records show Eitel pleaded guilty to a weapons offense in 2008 after being indicted in 2006 on a charge of aggravated assault with bodily injury. He received a five-year sentence for that offense, which neighbors said was related to an assault on a former girlfriend.
She applied for a handgun permit on April 21st, according to the police. I guess New Jersey lawmakers forgot to forbid knives in the state. Later reports say that Eitel has been arrested, not that it does Ms. Bowne much good now.
UPDATE: According to ABC6, Michael Eitel was found dead by his own hand in another ex-girlfriend’s garage;
Officials say the suspect wanted for allegedly stabbing his ex-girlfriend to death in Berlin Township, New Jersey has been found dead.
45-year-old Michael Eitel was found dead around 1:30 p.m. Saturday in the garage of a home on the unit block of Holly Drive in West Berlin.
He took his own life.
Category: Crime
Like I said, I’m caving. I’ll send you scans of my target practice results.
First, the elapsed time is not unusual at all. Second, if states wanted to help DV victims, they might consider fast tracking permit requests submitted by DV victims. Third, if it’s potentially the loss of your life that you’re taking a chance with or taking a chance of getting caught carrying illegally while you are awaiting a permit, well, that’s your call. It’s a shame that the state puts citizens in that bind.
Or maybe they could just stop forcing people to get a permit to excercise their Constitutional rights.
Yeah, that too. I am sure anyone fearing their life would be happy to pay for a LiveScan criminal history check, instead of waiting and waiting for the purposefully understaffed and permanently disinterested petty paper pushers to complete a full background history.
NOT everyone can afford to pay for a LiveScan criminal history check. I would NEVER buy some of those CHEAP guns out there [Lorcins,etc.] but that is ALL some can afford.
POOR people deserve to be protected by their 2nd Ammendment too.
Correct! If you have to ask permission, it’s not a God-given Right, but a government granted privilege that can be denied or taken away at a whim.
You’re correct in that it is the state (New Jersey) that put her in a bind and ultimately caused her to lose her life. Here in Michigan, if I see a handgun I want, I tell the salesman I want it and walk out with it about 30-45 minutes later, depending on how busy NICS is. A permit to carry may take a couple months but taking possession of an actual gun doesn’t take but an hour at the most. Once you own your gun, it is a personal choice whether to carry without a CPL/CCW permit.
First, John, I fat-fingered my phone and hit report and not reply, sorry.
Second, the nice thing about living in Arkansas is that having a CHCL exempts me from having to have my info called in. Walk in, fill out the 4473, pay my money, and away I go…. I love being able to do that, and it pisses off people that have to wait for the call
I just renewed my CCW permit, and my better half got one as well.
Total time from application to pickup? 10 days.
First, the elapsed time is not unusual at all.
That bothers me. If I get pulled over for a traffic violation, it doesn’t take the cop a month to figure out if I have any felonies or other things that indicate I need to be arrested. A check on a person for a gun purchase should never take that long.
For all you politicians who support waiting periods, know that Ms Bowne’s blood will forever be red on your hands.
Further proof of how Gun Control Laws aid criminals, what do the liberal pols say about her right to self defense?
They say this:
Using Gun Control logic:
-people who are stabbed/bludgeoned/burned to death will be comforted by the final thought that they weren’t shot.
-likewise, if the above victim had a gun, the evil badthough radiation that most* guns possess would have driven them to doing something bad, such as shoot up a school, shoot one’s family, or vote Republican.
-Finally, the victim brought it on herself by trying to buy an evil gun with the bad karma that brings. She should like have hugged the guy, or lectured him on rape culture, man.
Note- the above does not reflect my views.
*properly registered hunting guns, and guns possessed by paid bodyguards don’t count
Read this on TTAG, still pissed off. RIP, Ms. Browne, and I hope the gutless coward gets the max of what passes for justice in NJ.
But but but…. she got a restraining order! How did he get passed the restraining order? It was all that evil knifes fault, I bet it was a big scary black one, probably had a large capacity stab magazine on it
Probably had a forward grip and a rail system as well.
We all know we need to ban everything but sporks. Down with military style assault knives!!!
Yep. “Bleeding hearts often end up with bloody hands.”
This is a prime example. The laws of the People’s Republic of New Jersey – passed by their blue, bleeding-heart legislature – is partially responsible for this woman’s untimely death. They deprived her of her right of self-defense.
As I’ve said previously here on more than one occasion:
Only minutes? In Chicago, it depends on how far away the donut shop is located.
In Detroit the don’t use a clock. They use a calendar.
Some days, the CPD’s alternate motto is “We serve and protect, when we f*cking feel like it.”
I read that article. I used to live in the Blackwood-Camden area 40 years ago. It was a nice place to live in back then. Now it’s gone sour. Glad I left.
How well do Gun Comtrol Laws prevent crime? I say we compare the per capita violent crime rate of Kennessaw, GA to those of Chicago, DC, LA, Baltimore, and NJ for starters.
Or if you want to compare city-to-city, compare any of the above to Salt Lake City.
Unless some greasy politician is running for re-election or another wannabee is looking for his first election win, nobody will come forward and admit the blood on the hands of those who pass laws which allow this to happen. A can of mace or wasp spray in hand when in the public domain is the safest way to travel outdoors when gun permits are slow to come. If a persons needs a restraining order against someone, might that be a clue as to the need for carrying either of the above? My sympathies to those she left behind. However, it is YOU and nobody else who is responsible for YOUR OWN safety. It’s a violent world we live in today. A 22 Long and hollow points are the bare minimum a sane person should have in their possession any hour of any day beyond their front door. Rather I should say, a person who intends to put milk on their cereal tomorrow morning.
A 5 lb dry chemical fire extinguisher can do wonders for incapacitating attackers as well, the powder in them is very irritating to the eyes, sinuses, and windpipe. But apply liberal gun control philosophy to that, and they would argue that Fire Departments negate the need for the civilian possession of fire extinguishers!
The very same gun grabbers say wasp spray will stop a thug in his tracks, but six rounds of 125 gn .357 Mag will just piss him off.
Riiiight….
You are right in what the gun grabbers claim, but in fact if it were that simple, they would see to it that permits were required to own wasp spray. Next money making scheme: wasp control ranges….paid for with tax dollars.
Make that wasp spray control ranges.
The wasp spray theory does not hold water. Never has.
Fire extinguisher? Yes, I can see us girls dragging one along when we’re jogging. Hint: it’s fine for home invasions if you can find it, but not so much in the parking lot at the grocery store.
A good course in basic self-defense is more effective, along with a rape whistle, a loud mouth, and a canister of mace, which should be on the keychain and is legal, EVEN IN NEW JERSEY.
It is reported he has been found, Dead.
http://6abc.com/news/suspect-wanted-in-fatal-berlin-twp-stabbing-found-dead/765807/
Good. Hope the asshole likes his accommodations in hell
If this is true, and by chance if de did himself in, may I please offer him belated congratulations for ridding the world of another crazy bully who could not control himself. Regardless as to anything said or done, taking the life of a woman is not real high on my list of impressionables (if there is such a word). You leave behind a fine record of dealing with former lady friends; this being the second go around. I’m just glad you weren’t gay and broke off a relationship with senile old Uncle Schlomo.
Can you blow a rape whistle, with punctured lungs?
How is that not a clear violation of civil rights and illegal?
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooood damn it.
A CCW should be stapled to every Domestic Protection Order. The Judge should sign it when he signs the protection order. That or assign four cops to protect the person on the order. When the state issues an order it has acknowledged that there is a threat to the petitioner. At that point they have taken responsibility for her safety. At least they should give her the means to protect herself.
Constitutional Carry should be the only law of the land. It is the Law of the Land, but we have allowed politicians to believe that they can legislate away those Rights. The SCOTUS has been a little help in changing that as of late, but they too believe it is in the governments interest to have reasonable laws in regards to firearms.
What is reasonable? No felony convictions, and no involuntary trips to the nut house because you were expressing homicidal/suicdal intent or some form of psychosis/mental impairment that would make you irrational.