That 22 veteran suicides everyday number
I’ll begin by saying that even one veteran suicide death every year is too many for my liking. But 22 everyday has always seemed high to me – high enough that I figured I wouldn’t have any more readers at the end of the year. Chief Tango sends us a link to the Washington Post’s Fact Checker which took a look at how that number was arrived at a few years back;
This statistic comes from the VA’s 2012 Suicide Data Report, which analyzed death certificates from 21 states, from 1999 to 2011. The report calculated a percentage of suicides identified with veterans out of all suicides in death certificates from the 21 states during the project period, which turned out to be 22 percent. (By point of reference, about 13 percent of U.S. adults are veterans, according to a 2012 Gallup poll.) Then the report applied that percentage against the number of suicides in the U.S. in a given year (approximately 38,000). Divided by number of days in a year, the report came up with 22 veteran suicides a day.
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To account for uncertainties, researchers gave a range of 18 to 22 veteran suicides a day, which is consistent with previous VA estimates using CDC data. The report does not include some states with the largest veteran population (including California, Texas, Georgia, Arizona and North Carolina), so it is unclear how this would affect the rate.
They go on to report that average age of a veteran committing suicide is 59.6 years old – kind of outside of the perception that the younger veterans of the most recent wars are suicidal. Add to that, the fact that more than half of the veterans who commit suicide have never deployed, and you have to start wondering why it’s such a big deal these days all of a sudden.
Between 2001 and 2009, there were 1650 deployed veterans and 7703 non-deployed veteran deaths. Of those, 351 were suicides among deployed veterans and 1517 were suicides among non-deployed veterans. That means over nine years, there was not quite one veteran suicide a day.
It’s beginning to look to me as a way to make veterans seem like victims, once again. I’m not opposed to measures to prevent suicide, but when I see Richard Blumenthal (the fake Vietnam veteran Senator) and Paul Reickhoff (the phony special forces captain and ED of IAVA) together talking about an issue, I have to wonder if it’s something that we really need. And then we get to read John McCain regurgitating the 22 veterans/day number;
“According to a study published this month in the ‘Annals of Epidemiology,’ the rate of suicide among veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is approximately 50 percent higher than the rate among the general public, and a shocking 22 military veterans commit suicide each day,” McCain said. “Our nation has much work still to do to fulfill its responsibilities for our veterans, and this bill is an important step in improving life-saving mental health care services for the men and women who have served and sacrificed.”
It just all makes me wonder how much good will really come of a bill (S.167) that mostly calls for more studies and more reports to Congress from the Veterans’ Affairs Department that won’t even mount a hunt for phony POWs and hasn’t been telling Congress the truth for decades.
Well, at the end of the day, all of the Senators felt better about themselves for passing this bill, whether it does anything good or not. And isn’t that what’s really important?
Category: Veteran Health Care
Well, according to our resident geniuses, I’m sure TAH is responsible for all of these.
/*giant Facepalm*
The bill they just passed, with every member of both Houses of Congress voting for it, is, IMO, feel good legislation that in the end won’t do much except flush money down the toilet, and give Reps and Senators a bullet point for “things I got done in Washington” on their next re-election campaign mailers.
Jonn,
I have done this time and again with the stats to show people how numbers can be manipulated and that folks will believe anything. It was touted again today by Bradley Cooper. Sigh. No suicides would be awesome. The reality is, however, that some people were always headed toward that path regardless of their life circumstances. I know. It cannot be proven but I can say it.
According to numerous recent studies, the suicide rate for the military is right there with the same age/gender demographics for civillians. Same studies also show that a large percentage of those who have attempted or did comitt suicide had pre-existing mental health issues… they don’t say it but I will, quotas were met with waivers, lots and lots of waivers.
There was an increase in the number of military suicides, with the largest increase being among personnel who never deployed. For those who did deploy, females had the largest increase in numbers though overall still lower than the rate for males.
So we have a Military who screwed up and allowed people in who they shouldn’t have, who have been fighting in wars for over a decade, yet the rate of suicide has only increased to be just ever so slightly above the rate for the civillian population.
So, as screwed up as the Military is, as bad as suicide is… there seems to be something being done right in the Military where its combat veterans comprise the lesser number of those who commit sucide. The fact that the Military by itself is a stressful occupation in War or Peace, the fact the suicide rates are on par with the civillian numbers says to me that the Military is not handling it as poorly as it is being made out to be.
The average age of suicidal veterans was interesting to me, the 2nd leading cause of death for all Americans ages 15-34 is suicide so veterans at 59 killing themselves is well beyond the age where most Americans commit suicide.
Suicides for the 55-64 year old age bracket are the 8th highest cause of death….lots of other things are killing guys my age before we get to killing ourselves…
‘nother thing to consider on that age average, one has to be of a certain age just to be a “veteran” (I’m thinking there are not very many teenagers in our group). The 15 to 34 segment would thus likely be civies. Why are their rates so high?
As we used to say in my Army days, “Figures don’t lie, liars figure”.
“And isn’t that what’s really important?” Yes, it is. It looks great on campaign material and in newsletters to constituents. Really good. Your critters are “Fighting to End Veteran Suicides!” They are “Leading the Fight to Save Our Veterans!” Oh bullshit.
Well done. Probably no ARCOM coming your way though.
Hey Bernath I fail to see how valorguardians.com is on any sort of military off limit list. If that is really you, you can get IP addresses but you can’t figure out who is knocking on your door and running away? You are a special kind of retard. Yeah the military made a list of Stolen Valor websites you can’t visit because that is any branch’s Priority #1 right now. You are as shitty as your photoshopping skills.
Yeah, no. I check it at work all the time myself with no issues.
I’ve also had to reference documents from TAH to others (i.e., doing an FOIA) so they can accomplish military functions. (Another example of “veterans” doing more for military service members than the Gummint is.
At the end of the day, he is batshit crazy. But he also is at the start, in the middle, after second breakfast, etc etc.
One of the useful things they could do is allow people placed in WTU to PCS close to their home of records.
Jesus, Bernath, you are an idiot.
Everyone who reads your stuff just rolls their eyes and says, “Nuttier than squirrel poop.”
Perhaps your friend Dallas could do the extra bit of research–LTG McConville, while Airborne QUALIFIED, is a proud Army Aviator.
And, if he even knows your cabal of morons exists, he likely thinks you are a bunch of nutjobs, too.
And, I’m guessing your run for American Legion President is going to turn out about like Jimmy McMillan’s run for US president:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_McMillan
Or Eugene V. Debs’ run at the presidency from jail.
The legislation passed yesterday, like many people here have already said, is essentially a feel good measure and CYA measure for the VA. Does not really do anything to effect this issue in a positive manner. For those who care, I did a TEDx event last week in where I discussed the whole issue of vet suicides, and I can send to anyone who wants to see it once it gets posted. Cause to me, context on this issue f-ing matters, and Reickhoff doesn’t really seem to care, nor get others to care about those realities.
I’d like to see that. Please let me know when and where it’s posted.
Thanks.
“Dickhead” er Paul Reickhoff only cares about his personal, marxist agenda’s as he’s shown time after time. Wait, isn’t that what marxist rat bastards do anyway? When the anti-war crews including Dickheads IAVA
were tossing this number around and being challenged, nobody else was listening. I should feel grateful now that somebody else has noticed the numbers weren’t making sensse, too. Aight?
Names bernath, give us some names.
Truly dumber than a container ship full of used Trojan rubbers…
I just love watching Turdbath turn his life into a bigger shithole than it already is !!!
He seems to relish in it.
I guess he just loves to stand in the middle of a hog waller, smear himself with pig shit and then proclaim to the world that he is the new Napoleon and we all have to bow down to him…
Whatever cocks your pistol there Dannie Boi !!!
I wonder how many people have taken advantage of his “You have the right to switch lawyers at any time” deal.
I’ve heard that Daniel A. Bernath has made plenty of enemies in the Legal Community by “Poaching ” clients from legitimate Attorneys. Yelp, SSI Clients,…
Has Daniel A. Bernath (GH 😀 ) EVER won a lawsuit?
(((((OVER)))))
Dickless Dan is Hamilton Burger’s bitch…
Looks like someone squeezed his grape in a bench vise for an extended period of time.
If you’re a dickweed and You know it, clap your hands…
if you’re a dickweed and you know it, oh your posts will surely show it,
if you’re a dickweed and you know it…clap your hands!!!
I heart this place.
Bernath I doubt you can fire anyone. I will join the legion just to vote against your sorry ass. You sir, have grand illusions of being adequate.
Fuck off Bernath.
I have heard that “Ace McFlyboy” has a preference for taking the dirty hands of farm laborers into his rectum for pleasure.
“Some people go through life thinking they are a crystal flute filled with fine Champagne when they’re really a cheap plastic cup full of piss.” – Unknown
Daniel A. Bernath is a fine example of such a person.