Ebola news

| October 8, 2014

I guess you’ve already heard that our Ebola patient has died from the disease. Folks who get their news from Twitter claim that it was racism that killed him, says Twitchy, but the CDC is sticking with a virus. From the New York Times;

Mr. Duncan died at 7:51 a.m. at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, more than a week after the virus was detected on Sept. 30. His condition had worsened in recent days to critical from serious as medical personnel worked to support his fluid and electrolyte levels, crucial to recovery in a disease that causes bleeding, vomiting and diarrhea. Mr. Duncan was also treated with an experimental antiviral drug, brincidofovir, after the Food and Drug Administration approved its use on an emergency basis.

The Associated Press says that there are whole crowd of people who were exposed to Mr. Duncan;

Health officials have identified 10 people, including seven health workers, who had direct contact with Duncan while he was contagious. Another 38 people also may have come into contact with him. The four people living in the northeast Dallas apartment where Duncan stayed have been isolated in a private residence.

Meanwhile, over in Africa, according to the Washington Examiner, health care folks are “fleeing” from their treatment facilities.

A new and remarkably candid on-the-ground audit from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of the Ebola crisis in Liberia said that doctors and nurses have fled hospitals in the infection zone and that obstacles to killing the virus remain.

The analysis of four remote Liberian counties conducted by local and CDC officials that were Ebola-free in August revealed that massive amounts of aid are still needed in the areas to fight the virus, which can be spread as simply as by burying a dead victim.

The Washington Post reports that the CDC is sending their workers to five airports to shut the barn door after the horses are out. They’ll be taking the temperature of people as they arrive here from West African countries.

Travelers originating in West African countries will be given questionnaires and have their temperatures taken at these U.S. airports, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday.

“We work to continuously increase the safety of Americans,” CDC Director Thomas Frieden said in a statement Wednesday. “We believe these new measures will further protect the health of Americans, understanding that nothing we can do will get us to absolute zero risk until we end the Ebola epidemic in West Africa.”

Mr Duncan, the deceased victim, was given a questionnaire when he left Liberia, but he lied and didn’t tell officials that he had escorted an Ebola-infected pregnant woman (who has since perished) to the hospital. Lucky for us, Liberia has issued a arrest warrant for Mr Duncan because he lied on the form. So he’ll get his, by gum.

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Sparks

Now…I can’t wait for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to weigh in on the “racism killed him” angle. Listen up Al and Jesse, there’s money and free press to be made there.

Pinto Nag

I think Jesse needs to head over to Africa, and check on the conditions in Liberia. It doesn’t sound like they’re treating their Ebola victims nearly as good as we treat ours. He should go over and check on that.

Ex-PH2

You’ll all be happy to learn that Jesse Jackson is blaming the hospital that Duncan went to in the first place. Was that same as the one where he died?

And customs agents are simply going to check temperatures of incoming people? Oh, that’s really going to show results, isn’t it? All kinds of results!

If your temperature is up 1Fm because you’re coming down with a cold from airline travel – not from ebola – you can count on being thrown into isolation and quarantined for three weeks while they wait to see if you’re going to die and rot apart at the seams.

Yes, this idiotic program will really get results.

GDContractor

In their ultimate wisdom, and as a cost saving measure, you will be quarantined in a holding facility with everyone else. Therefore increasing your odds of getting The Ebola. If you didn’t have it before quarantine, you will have it when you get out!

It’s what they did with Patient 0’s family members. None of them had symptoms, so they forced them to stay inside their apartment for a few days, together. Doesn’t make sense to me.

GDContractor

You know, on a human level I am really sorry that Mr. Duncan died.

But, I can’t help associate his death with that racist Madam Pelosi’s justification for abortion… “one less potential welfare recipient”.

PavePusher

Yeah, that seems like a pretty douche comment. What makes you think that someone who can afford to fly to/from Africa would be a likely welfare recipient?

David

note the disparity in how communicable it is depending on what source – the Feds are telling us you need bodily fluids contact; above the y claim simply burying a victim can do it? Coherent, trustable info is in very short supply.

LC

To the best of our knowledge, contact with bodily fluids -and their subsequent introduction into your own system via mucus membranes, ingestion or open cuts- is required. The difficulty is that ‘contact’ and ‘bodily fluids’ lack a clear, common-use definition. Getting infected is not a binary thing; it’s a probability thing. What is the probability that a) Ebola is present in a fluid, and b) that the fluid in question is introduced to a new host via one of the infection vectors listed above. It stands to reason that the more sick a person is (the more their immune system has failed to suppress it, and thus they have more virus present), the greater the probability of finding it in ‘casual’ bodily fluids like sweat. Someone who literally was hours from death is going to be sweating a lot, and with a virus that’s run rampant through them, so there’s a high risk. If these people are identified before they’re on death’s door, and isolated so that only people with PPE are treating them, that risk is massively mitigated. The hope is that our society is better at this than places like Liberia. We’re going to learn a whole lot more in the next week or two, and hopefully it’ll be good news. There are studies out there, though small in sample size, that test for the presence of Ebola in various bodily fluids if you want some data. If you can’t find it, I’ll try to dig up the link later today. Another encouraging bit of news I saw stated that each year the US has small outbreaks of other kinds of viral hemorrhagic fevers, and they’re always contained with deaths in the tens, not thousands or millions. Different viral structure, but somewhat similar pathology. Long story short, Ebola IS hard to transmit during most of the infection cycle, but it ramps up as they get more and more sick, and burying someone who just died from it, then rubbing your eyes, say, because you were crying, puts you at high risk. This is, of course, just my understanding… Read more »

2/17 Air Cav

An American photo journalist who contracted Ebola in Liberia believes he got it by hosing off the car of a man who died from the virus. I don’t know of anyone who contracted HIV that way…

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

But … It is not airborne yet!

LC

My understanding is that the comparison with HIV is with respect to the broad transmissibility rate of the two, not the specific vectors of transmission. Here’s a link that explains this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

And while it’s possible Mr. Mukpo got it from ‘splash’ while cleaning a car, that would represent a serious change in our understanding of the virus. Possible, but I’d imagine Occam would state that it’s more likely he wasn’t in PPE while cleaning the car, placed his hands all over material where an infected person died and left blood, vomit or sweat, and then rubbed his eyes or so – maybe because the bleach was getting to him. Rule number one tends to be “don’t touch your face”.

We’ll see, but even he says he isn’t sure where he got it, and that washing the car is only a possibility. I’m inclined to give more weight to people who study this stuff day in and day out. Hopefully the doctors treating him are asking him HOW he was washing the car and have more answers than you or I do.

Ex-PH2

You left out the part about the virus living even though the host is dead. This is how it started to spread – through preparing a corpse for traditional burial, and if you know anything about corpses, the decay begins within 8 to 12 hours of actual death… and that virus is still alive.

LC

Correct, I just didn’t mention it because I figured it’s a given. A person dying doesn’t mean their cells instantly stop all their biological processes, including virus replication and survival.

Hondo

LC: see

http://shs.sdsu.edu/Docs/EbolaVirusDiseaseSeptember2014.pdf

“Close contact” is defined as a fair number of activities that one would not normally think of. In particular, shaking hands with an Ebola sufferer is defined as “close contact”. Ditto being within 1 meter of them for any amount of time, or being in the same room with them for an extended period of time – unless one is wearing the recommended PPE.

“As easily spread as HIV”? Um, that isn’t the way I’d characterize it. I don’t believe PPE is recommended for shaking hands with a HIV sufferer, or being within 1 meter of an individual with HIV.

LC

There is no question that this is more easily spread person-to-person than HIV, but that phrase has vastly different meanings when you’re looking at it from the perspective of someone talking to a doctor versus the perspective of someone talking about the spread of the virus in a population.

If you’re talking individuals, the question is, ‘how easily is it spread (to someone like me)’, and the answer is a list of transmission modes and their probabilities.

If you’re talking about the spread of a virus, the question becomes ‘how easily is it spread (in a population)’, and the answer is a RATE of spread – and in this case, it seems to be roughly comparable to HIV, at least based on the relatively small information at hand.

Again, the modes of HIV transmission – primarily sex, shared needles and blood transfusions – have little commonality with the modes of Ebola transmission, no question. They are incredibly dissimilar in that respect. But in measuring their overall spread throughout a population, the current data does show some similarities in the rate, which is where I think this misunderstanding came from.

This is a case of language being imprecise and talking to experts in one thing (epidemiology and virus models) and thinking more along the lines of another (personal health).

We’re going to learn a whole lot more in the next week, I imagine.

Hondo

Comparing the transmissability of the two diseases as being even remotely similar – e.g., stating that both are “not easily transmitted” – is bullsh!t.

HIV is not spread through accidental or casual contact. Shaking hands with or standing 1 M away from an AIDS sufferer is not considered close contact that puts one at risk.

In contrast, Ebola apparently can be spread by accidental contact, shaking hands, or (possibly) via close physical proximity. Otherwise, please explain why those activities without PPE are considered risky.

Bottom line: HIV is much less easily spread than Ebola. Suggesting the two are in any way similar in that respect is grossly misleading if not an outright lie.

LC

It’s not bullshit – it’s just that one is talking about how the virus is transmitted to a person, and the other is talking about the overall rate of transmission seen within a population. The reason they’re comparable in value is because you can live with HIV a long time, even with its lower person-to-person transmission rate, whereas with Ebola carriers tend to die out pretty quickly.

Put another way, you have one with a low (individual) rate, but around for a long time, and another with a higher (individual) rate, and a simplified view of the overall (epidemiological) rate is the product of those two factors – individual rate x time. This isn’t a measure of how easy it is for YOU to get it, it’s a measure of how quickly the virus spreads, and thus the overall risk to a population.

To make up an example, even if a virus was incredibly transmissible – 99.8%, say – but killed someone within 3 minutes, that virus would probably have a pretty darn low value on the (epidemiological) transmissibility chart. Because realistically it won’t spread through a population much because carriers would die out before they could spread it. At the same time, if you ran into someone with it during those three minutes, you’re dead. Individual transmission rate is high, but threat to a population is low.

Hondo

You are aware that Ebola’s incubation and symptomatic periods are roughly the same as those of smallpox, right?

The only difference is transmissability – which directly impacts the number of people each sufferer infects before he/she recovers or dies. In the current Ebola outbreak, that appears to be somewhere around 2. In smallpox, that was 7 to 10.

Chiles

The comparison boils down to the rate as compared to the life of the disease. Both HIV and Ebola have a rate of 2. Here’s how:
Ebola requires more than casual contact but is virulent when you do contract through the vectors described above. You only pass it while showing symptoms and the you either quickly die or get better and then no longer pass the virus. Either way, how infectious it is may be higher than HIV, but the span of the active, symptomatic disease is really short. The average amount of people an infectious Ebola patient infects is 2 because of the vector and because the patients don’t tend to last long.

HIV, on the other hand, is harder to spread in terms of contact, but it takes much longer to kill and a patient is contagious way before you can tell they are infected. With these factors in mind, the average amount of transmissions from that patient is 2 (he/she infects 2 others before death.)

This comparison is epidemiological, not a measure of how effective the vector is. You probably wouldn’t shake hands with a dude bleeding out his nose and eyes. You might have sex with a woman who looks completely healthy.

GDContractor

Good info, thanks. Rabies is a good example too. Fascinating how a virus can evolve to dominate the host organism and use it towards its own ends.

Hondo

Minor quibble, Chiles: neither HIV nor Ebola is a vector-transmitted disease. It is transmitted by person-to-person contact, or on occasion by fomites (Ebola) or nosocomially (both, though now rare with HIV). A vector-transmitted disease typically requires an intermediate organism (usually an insect or arthropod) in order to spread in a human population. Malaria, yellow fever, and dengue are examples – each is spread by a vector we call the mosquito.

Sapper3307

News flash:: All Points Logistics has gotta be ground zero for Ebola with all the body fluids they have on everything and a certain fake Navy Seal.
IHPO

Hondo

David: corpses often have body fluid residue on them – in particular, sweat and other skin secretions. Since the virus is viable on surfaces at room temperature for hours to days, touching the skin of an Ebola victim’s corpse is not exactly a good idea.

David

Actually the above debate highlights what I said – good info is not widespread (although the above debate is very good info.)

Preparing a body for burial and burying them, I think of as different processes. Burying someone is essentially digging hole and placing a (hopefully wrapped etc.) body in the hole. Preparing someone for burial is a different thing… I suspect they are using them interchangeably above.

Hondo

David: that holds if the body is in a sealed wrap/bag or casket. If the wrap is permeable (or if the body is unwrapped, as I understand may be the case in some third-world countries), even the act of burying an Ebola victim would present some degree of risk.

The risk of prepping the body for burial is obvious, and is why embalming of Ebola victims is highly discouraged. Cremation is preferred, followed by burial in a hermetically sealed coffin.

GDContractor

Another possible case being reported in the DFW area. A Dallas County Sheriff’s Deputy. Was inside Duncan’s apartment for 30 minutes. Now feels sick.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms

Pinto Nag

If, after only 30 minutes with the family, this deputy contracted Ebola, then the CDC has some ‘splainin’ to do. The problem is, researchers have mumbled a time or two that there is some ability of Ebola to travel by ‘aerosol.’ I haven’t seen any of that information put out lately, but the researchers in the book “The Hot Zone” bring it up a couple of times.

Hondo

PN: that is correct. Airborne transmission is believed to have been the method of transmission of Ebola Reston in the Reston “monkey house”.

In that incident, monkeys who never came into contact with one another were infected. After extensive investigation, airborne transmission through the facility’s ventilation system was determined to have been the most likely means of transmission.

Further, “other close contact” with an Ebola patient/sufferer is defined as

– being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an Ebola patient OR within the patient’s
room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., health care personnel, household
members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (PPE)
– having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an Ebola patient while not wearing
recommended personal protective equipment.

Doesn’t exactly sound to me like “not easily spread” is a particularly accurate assessment.

http://shs.sdsu.edu/Docs/EbolaVirusDiseaseSeptember2014.pdf

Poetrooper

I’ve been wondering if that three-foot rule doesn’t have something to do with the possibility of live virus being present in the water vapor that is approximately 5% of every exhaled human breath? During the gas diffusion process that transmits oxygen to our bloodstream and extracts carbon dioxide and other waste products from the blood, could there be contact between infected blood and the water vapor content of our exhalations?

Hondo

Poetrooper: I believe that has more to do with transmission via relatively large droplets of saliva (e.g., unintentional spittle, coughing) than respiration. Though small, the Ebola virus is hugely larger than gas molecules. It also doesn’t seem to be capable of detaching in the lungs and forming particles small enough to allowing easy aerosol suspension in air – thank God.

However, that last possibility (airborne transmission) cannot IMO be entirely ruled out. Spread of the virus by the facility’s HVAC system was – by process of elimination – thought to be the means of transmission in the Reston, VA, “monkey house” of Hot Zone fame. There, monkeys who never came in contact with one another and who were in different rooms in the facility became infected. It’s believed that the most likely means of transmission from room to room was via the facility’s ventilation system.

That was Ebola Reston, not Ebola Zaire (the strain currently ravaging West Africa). But if another Ebola strain can apparently spread that way, I’d be very skeptical of claims that it’s impossible for the strain causing this outbreak to do the same.

Hondo

It is also at least theoretically possible that the new individual got contaminant containing the Ebola virus (body fluid, sweat, whatever) on his shoes, then touched a contaminated area of his shoes while later taking off his shoes and managed to transfer that to a mucous membrane or break in the skin. The virus is believed to be viable for hours to days on many surfaces, depending on the temperature.

Unfortunately, the timing (approx 10 days after possible exposure) is consistent with the usual onset of symptoms. An incubation period of 21 days is the max observed, but 10 days (plus/minus one or two) is most common.

Ex-PH2

I read ‘Hot Zone’ when it was first released in paperback form. It was only a few years after I had read ‘The Stand’ in which the virus was spread by people sneezing or merely sniffling and wiping their noses with their hands or tissues. And then a few short weeks later, I read Peter Ward’s ‘6th Extinction’, which he then said describes what is going on now with the natural world. I think ‘The Andromeda Strain’ was several years ahead of ‘Hot Zone’, but it was such dismal stuff then, and I wondered if it was possible. At the time, it was considered unlikely, despite movies to the contrary.

Now – well, I reckon so.

I just hope this isn’t the epitaph of the human species.

That Guy

Doubtful. This isn’t half as terrifying as the news is making it out to be.

David

news this morning said the deputy was in quarantine because he had an upset stomach, and most of the major symptoms (fever etc.) were not present. Like the guy in Houston, considered low-risk.

Hondo

Good news if true. Let’s hope for his sake (and ours) it is.

Sapper3307

Yup the time of caned food and shotgun ammo cometh. Can anyone suggest a good preper SHTF type school? Maybe one run ex Seals, Delta or Omega force types.

Valerie

CDC Director Thomas Frieden has been lying to us all along, starting with the lie that this disease is as hard to catch as HIV. He should be replaced with someone who will be effective.

2/17 Air Cav

Yes, I pointed out yesterday that the first piece of advice given on the CDC website is to avoid travel to Liberia, Sierra Leone, and that other contagion-infested place. Yet, the head of the CDC says it’s okay for folks to travel here from those places and we are not to worry. Makes sense. Square peg. Round hole.

GDContractor

Yes, and apparently it is okay for them to travel here on a Visitor’s Visa so that they can begin a new life in the USA where Obama has declared Healthcare a “right”. Last I heard (yesterday) Mr. Duncan had racked up a $500,000 medical bill and that does not include the associated costs to city/county/state/federal to deal with his arrival/illness/death. I’m sure The Justice Brothers will get the family a nice fat settlement too. I better get back to work… someone has to pay for this shit.

Valerie

…..And worth every penny of it, if it wakes up those complacent fools who view a handful of deaths of Americans as just a matter of statistics.

I believe that there doesn’t have to be any major outbreak of Ebola in this country, because 1) we can prevent it from reaching our shores in probably all but a handful of cases, and 2) we can quarantine and track contacts.

However, to prevent an major outbreak in this country, we will have to take action.

Like with HIV, the name of the game is prevention, because neither cure nor a tolerable death rate are options. Unlike HIV, Ebola has been killing off medical workers. This should be a hint that the disease really is easier to catch than HIV.

But if we let our government sit on its collective thumbs, we will have a major outbreak in this country, and it could be horrible.

Ex-PH2

It does make you kind of wonder, doesn’t it?

Ex-PH2

These things were on the news today:

1 – The dog that belonged to a Spanish nursing assistant was euthanized because research has found that dogs can contract and carry the disease without symptoms, but it is not yet known if they can transmit it.

2 – The Spanish Health Minister is going to be replaced.

3 – Four people who had contact with that nursing assistant have now been quarantined.

4 – Jesse Jackson is blaming the first hospital that Duncan went to in Dallas (was it the same one where he died?) before he displayed symptoms.

This part is from me: wash your hands, period, even if you only touch chicken. Make a list of stuff to stock your pantry and/or cupboards. Don’t go to the grocery stores when everyone else is there, e.g., weekends – a lot are open late at night.

GDContractor

#1 – Do dogs like to lick up vomit? Just wondering…
# 4 – yes, the same hospital.

2/17 Air Cav

I just surveyed three neighborhood doggies and all agree that if the vomitus contains tofu, no; If it contains bacon or most any other type of meat, yes.

Ex-PH2

Only if it’s their own, but if you are worried and you have to clean it up, wear disposable gloves, use an antibacterial cleaner like 409 or Lysol and bag it in a plastic grocery bag, then to the trash with it.

I think it’s more likely that a dog licking your hand or face or maybe nipping someone would transmit it. But that news item didn’t say if the dog was sick with it, just exposed to it. The question is are they like Typhoid Mary – healthy in appearance but carrying the disease?

NHSparky

PH2…yes, the same hospital.

And the same hospital where a friend of mine works as an ER nurse.

Ex-PH2

Geezo Pete, I’m sorry to hear that, NHSparky. I truly am.

I almost forgot: an inexpensive chest freezer, 10CF or slightly larger, not only saves you money in the long run but also reduces the necessity for running grocery errands. You can freeze just about anything. Mine has long since paid for itself.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

BREAKIN NEWS FROM THE KMRIA NEWSDESK:

“It is racist, just like the Irish are to blame for Bluegrass music, soccer mom’s, Saint Patrick’s day and alcoholism”.

More news at 1100.

OVER

Sarge

Not to be a sadist, but if the people in west africa don’t want our help, let Darwinism run its course. Only the smart will survive.

Meanwhile, close our borders and hunker down. I’m in korea now, but starting to worry. Ebola ain’t no joke.

ArmyLady

Why in the heck aren’t people screened before Mr. Duncan came to the states?

Any one leaving the countries that infected with Ebola should be quarantined days before the get on that plane!!

I hope we don’t have a outbreak like the other countries are having. Better steps should have been in place.

2/17 Air Cav

ArmyLady: Please submit your question through the White House website.

2/17 Air Cav

Like some of you, I have lived through much in terms of incidents and events that prompt people to worry excessively–or worse: go camping in a hole . From the duck and cover and Cuban missile crisis days to Y2K, and all points in between, I tell you truly I never engaged in the worry or doomsday preparedness. Sooner or later (well, it has to be later b/c sooner is past) the gov’t that is charged with promoting our general welfare just might wake up and take the essential and elementary steps needed to protect America from the contagion. But when we have a president who cannot correctly pronounce the contagion (Ebol-ee!) and a Congress perpetually running for re-election and engrossed in polling data and spewing lies, well, the only hope I hold out for responsive, intelligent action is that all of them and their families are potential victims as well. The virus is nondiscriminatory: prince and pauper are equally at risk.

Ex-PH2

2/17AirCav: right on! 1+++++++ to the 10th power.

I don’t think we need to panic, but staying alert and informed always works.

AW1Ed

Sorry, had to.

Ex-PH2

Only in the interest of keeping us informed, I’ll leave this here.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/10/08/top-us-general-says-ebola-outbreak-coming-through-central-america-is-real/

The title is misleading, IMO. It should be ‘the threat of ebola’, not ‘ebola outbreak’.

Worth a read, however.

DefendUSA

Here is a great link…and we know there are some folks who could learn from it…Ahem.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/10/07/in-liberia-firestone-held-ebola-at-bay-where-governments-failed/

MGySgtRet.

I have been to Liberia twice. Anyone want a free hug??

You are talking about a country where some folks believe that fighting in the nude (combat) makes you impervious to bullets. They are killing aid workers who are trying to help them. The Liberian government has neither the resources or the resolve to contain this on their own. And here in America, our leadership is dawdling about taking the measures necessary to contain the disease. That whole leadership from behind thing is really working out well for us.

We also have many of our own citizens who honestly believe that Mister Duncan died because of the racism of our system. And of course you have Jesse Jackson attempting to use this tragedy for his own ends. I am tempted to get out on the streets with my “REPENT, WE ARE DOOMED” placard on. As has happened so often since Mr. Obama became our president, we are taking a potential crisis and ignoring it because we don’t want to hurt the “feelings” of some moron’s who do not have the best interests of the country at heart, only their own selfish agenda’s.

I don’t know what it will take for our “leadership” to do what it will take to stomp Ebola out in our country, but the time to figure it out is not when we have let it spread. I think a start would be an honest discussion about what we do and do not know about the disease and then taking practical steps to limit the ability of people from outbreak countries easy access to America. We have to be hard hearted about this but the stupid asses we have elected are more concerned with trifling bullshit rather than making hard choices.

Hondo

Well, considering you’re probably approaching 50 and male – I think I’ll pass on the hug, MGySgtRet. Even if you’ve been back from Liberia more than 21 days. (smile)

Other than that – dead on target. The DC Clown Krewe running things Administration is clueless, and that just might get a whole lot of people killed.

Ex-PH2

If you do go stand on the corner with the sandwich boards and ‘The End Is Near’, can I come take pictures?

I hate to be macabre this early in the morning, but Jesse Jackson is like those vultures on the African savannah that can’t even wait for a critter to die before they land and start feeding. That is in addition to being an attention whore. Oh, yeah – he was in a video on the news holding hads with members of Duncan’s family. These are the people who’ve been exposed to the disease. Then he gets on a plane and goes back to Chicago. Not just an attention whore, but also brain-dead zombie attention whore.

GDContractor

Mark Davis radio has a guest on right now who is a 30 years Special Forces officer veteran talking about why limiting travel to and from Liberia is a bad idea

GDContractor

It was this guy. http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/b/steven-bucci
painful interview to listen to.

GDContractor

Here’s Bucci’s article AS TO why there should be no travel ban imposed on travel from Liberia. Comments on it are pretty good. http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/07/wisdom-prevail-panic-solution-ebola-u-s-isnt-banning-travel/

Ex-PH2

Yes, apparently Bucci doesn’t understand the difference between asymptomatic + carrying the disease but not yet infectious, and symptomatic w/the disease + infectious.

Big difference. Big, huge difference.

And he also forgets that it is entirely possible that someone could carry the disease, but be immune to it, and still infect other people. That idea may seem outlandish in view of what we do know about ebola, but there is historical precedence for this.

2/17 Air Cav

The deputy now being tested for Ebola felt ill and walked into the Care Now health care center. Huh? Anyway, once there, 911 was called and he was transported by plastic-encased ambo and personnel in full protective gear. The Care Now center then closed for “deep cleaning.”

Okay, the officer may not have thought his symptoms traced to Ebola. At least, I hope that’s what he thought but, jeez, for Pete’s sake, he was at the place Duncan lived just days ago and was, according to his son, taking his temp daily. What was he thinking? The article I gleaned this info from ends with this line: “Frisco officials said they prefer anyone who thinks they’ve been exposed to Ebola call 911 and not walk into a hospital or urgent care facility.” No shit.