Government shutdown & the VA
The Washington Times reports that Congress passed the latest of a long stream of stop gap bills to continue funding the federal government without actually passing a budget. However, the bill delays Obamacare for a year, which has prompted the White House to announce that the bill is DOA, because you know, the word “compromise” isn’t in their vocabulary as anything that the rest of us would recognize. They delayed the healthcare bill in regards to employers, but not for the rest of us.
Aided by some Democrats, the GOP passed legislation to repeal a widely despised Obamacare tax on medical devices, to halt the entire health law for a year, and to ensure troops get paid even if the government shuts down.
The votes send the spending bill back to the Senate, though Majority Leader Harry Reid called the moves “pointless” and has already ruled out negotiating on any of the Obamacare measures. He said he will not accept any strings attached to a bill to keep the government open past the midnight Monday deadline.
Our buddy, Austin Wright at Politico writes that the House bill contains a provision to keep paying the troops and the DoD civilians who support them;
The GOP unveiled a bill on Saturday that would ensure service members continue getting paid if Congress is unable to pass a bill to fund the government past midnight Monday, when the fiscal year ends and current appropriations expire.
Continue ReadingThe measure would also ensure continued pay for civilian employees of the Defense Department and Pentagon contractors who “are providing support to members of the Armed Forces.”
The Washington Post writes that if the standoff continues for a few weeks, Veterans’ Administration won’t be able to pay the veterans who depend on them;
During the telephone briefing, the leadership of the House and Senate Veterans Affairs committees were told that VA will run out of money to make compensation and pension payments if a partial shutdown is drawn out for weeks, according to aides to two members of Congress.
The briefing, which was provided by VA congressional affairs, represents a significant change from what the members had previously been told, and from the information the VA has released to the public, according to congressional officials.
Some expressed concern during the briefing that veterans had not been given adequate information to prepare for a possible disruption in payments that many depend upon. Some veterans live check to check, they noted.
Yeah, well, veterans haven’t been given adequate information because no one is talking to us. You’ll notice that the VA’s Ebenefits website is down today for maintenance. But there was nothing about the government shutdown when it was working before 9am today. So, yeah, nice dodge, there VA, but if we’re not getting timely information, it’s because you haven’t bothered to give us any.
“This is a big reason why it’s critical that the House join with the Senate to act quickly and keep the government open without any political games,” said Sen. Patty Murray, (D-Wash.), who is chairman of the Senate budget committee. “Our nation’s heroes, who are already waiting too long for the benefits they deserve, shouldn’t be held at the mercy of gridlock and dysfunction in Washington, D.C.”
In other words, we’re being held hostage once again – and this time it’s to save the credibility of that broke-dick Obamacare BS.
Category: Military issues, Veterans Issues, Veterans' Affairs Department
@50 Yes. The administration doesn’t want to cause rioting across the country at this time.
Take benefits from those that have earned them and give them to those that have not.
We’ve been told we’re all “essential” and have to report to work even though we won’t get paid (right away). Ironic, since during the last “govt shutdown” everyone that wasn’t considered essential got paid for the days they stayed home, (free vacation! woo hoo!) just like the saps that had to work. Love Government Service! 🙂
Yep. Ya gotta love it. “Essential” personnel (like, aren’t they the only ones who should EVER be on the payroll?) go to work and get paid. “Non-essential” personnel don’t have to go to work, but will be paid anyway for not doing the work which apparently wasn’t necessary that they be assigned in the first place.
So, since even the bureaucrats agree that X percentage of the workforce is not essential, perhaps we could double that figure to begin negotiations for how many government employees should be fired? Oh, wait – those negotiations might have to be with a foreign dictator, since the current occupier will not negotiate with ordinary US citizens or those we elect to represent us.
RM3(SS): I just now got the same word. They’re being suspiciously covert about the whole thing. The other day we were told to log in, put a “government shut down message” on our vacation email thingie and then log out. Now, they want us to work until we hear otherwise.
Latest stuff:
This bit: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/325579-rules-committee-votes-to-send-new-gop-plan-to-the-floor
and this bit: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/30/227872581/obama-we-will-not-delay-obamacare
Right now, I’m so fed up with this childishness and squabbling that I’m ready to send each one of these people a box of tissues stamped ‘BUTTHEAD’. I’m completely non-partisan about it when I say they’re a bunch of little kids.
The way to solve this problem is to do what J. P. Morgan did when he was facing a financial crisis: Put every last one of them into one room (Joint Session, you see) and lock the doors, and they don’t get to leave until they come to an agreement. Period. Not even to use the bathroom.
And don’t tell me, “oh, you can’t do things like that”, Hondo, because I really don’t give a damn at this point.
I haven’t seen this much contempt for the American taxpayer in a very long time – something like almost 50 years.
Latest is Senate rejects House budget plan: http://news.msn.com/us/shutdown-looming-senate-rejects-house-budget-bill?gt1=51501
I get the sense that somehow the Lone Obama is going to ride to our rescue and extend our pay in the 11th hour tomorrow. Last week it was all doom and gloom and this week, not so much. My boss has a .pdf file on her desk right now that she’s been told she can’t send to any of us until morning with this week’s instructions. He’s done it before to look like he’s our hero.
Ex-PH2: try a bit under 17 years. Exact same thing happened in Jan 1997.
How does he get from 0 to 0 and think he’s a hero?
street; these are the same people who used to complain that Bush “only” gave us a 3.5% COLA increase one year and haven’t muttered a word that Obama hasn’t given us 3.5% COLA increase over the last five years.
What do we hardworking taxpaying Peasants mean at all to the self-coronated royalty in DC? They’re too interested in sucking up to the K Street lobbyists, and B. Hussein 0bama is too busy kissing up to muhammed Ahmed Achmed Ooblah-booblah at the United Nothing to bother with us!! But hey, his beloved welfare flunkies won’t have to worry!!!
It would seem that piggy banks are about to come in handy!
Hondo, I was thinking of LBJ’s attitude toward taxpayers and voters in general. He was quite egocentric about some things.
But, yeah, Clinton, too.
I fail to understand why the more hard-line GOPers can’t just do a funding bill without attaching conditions to it.
They’re fragmenting their own support side, into the bargain.
I can just imagine how many pissed-off voters are calling the not-so hardline GOPers and leaving nasty messages for them.
And while they have everyone’s attention focused on this, rumors are starting to leak out that what they have been working on is a new iteration of an amnesty bill. Aren’t they special? And how many millions have fallen for their misdirection yet again??
American society is like a trust fund baby: spoiled, uncaring, unaware, until they’re cut off.
Latest bits on ‘Breaking news’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/live-updates-the-shutdown-showdown/?id=9da6d13e-bbcb-4acb-9448-a1fbac66ff99
Tweet from Mark Knoller (CBS) https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/384847011859546112
Twes\et from josh Lederman: https://twitter.com/joshledermanAP/status/384835470770700289
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buy our Faux News.
That told me everything I need to know about you. You aren’t an adult. Go away and let the big people discuss things.
Will ten year old girls be able to get condoms and morning after pill if government shuts down? Just curious.
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Maybe not, but “abortion on demand”? You bet!
Military will continue to get paid. Bill was just signed.
Per Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/384866808819240960
Per Twitter feed re GOP clash, negotiator appointed: https://twitter.com/politico/status/384870172512636928
And McCain: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/live-updates-the-shutdown-showdown/?id=9da6d13e-bbcb-4acb-9448-a1fbac66ff99
And one last Tweet: https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/384887068955926528
That’s it. I’m off to the land of Nod. These people should be fired for being complete fuckups.
Good night.
Comrades in Arms:
I just now read this report:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/30/it-will-be-illegal-to-walk-on-national-mall-if-govt-shuts-down-national-park-service-says-how-will-they-enforce-it/
Obviously, we are going to immediately need an emergency GATHERING OF EAGLES to protect the Viet Nam Memorial from vandalism.
Although I was present at the original Gathering of Eagles, I won’t be able to take part in this one, because I no longer live in Washington, D.C., and can’t afford to travel there.
So, can any of you guys get this thing organized?
Thank you.
John Robert Mallernee
Armed Forces Retirement Home
Gulfport, Mississippi 39507
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Hey, Master Chief, you better get that car to a garage!
Our civilians came in this morning and were told to change their time cards, fill out their furlough paperwork, and then go home.
I am very angry over this. We civil-service have already gone through a sequester. My piggy bank was rated then. However I will be fine. My concern is for my friends with children where they have one working parent, or both parents are civil servants they used all their savings for the sequester, they don’t have anything left.
How are they supposed to get along? How about being able to take money out of the thrift savings plans without fearing penalties from the IRS. Is IRS shut down to? Have a great day.
I have been told to ignore my Position Discription and commence canceling all the work I have planned.
Now if you read my PD … you might think that canceling such work might contribute to a degraded state of readiness.
But what the fu*k do I know?
Well, the dimwitcrats got what they wanted: complete control of the gubmint for a little while. The insurance exhanges weren’t really ready for obamacare to go into effect, so their websites don’t work properly.
And – oh, yeah, this one has me laughing up my sleever! The premium subsidy for low income people cometh from the trough of the federal government. Unfortunately, there is now nobody home to process that stuff.
So how is that supposed to work? What? Can I hear that again?
I think I’ll wander over to the VAHCC and see if I can get that flu shot I meant to get…. this year. 🙂
Also, even though she hasn’t linked it here just yet, I get Nicki’s column by e-mail, and she’s totally pissed off, too.
http://thelibertyzone.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/slow-posting/
Watching live broadcast of Senate re: shutdown.
Harry Reid, as usual, blaming the GOP.
Link: http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbcnews.com/53147235
An awful lot of our fellow Americans have been screwed royally by our government today. Our government didn’t just label people as “non-essential,” they’ve proven that they think of them as expendable. Political pawns in a political game.
It’s time to apply serious chemotherapy to this cancer. Now.
If you’re furloughed, it’s very likely that you will not get the pay you’re missing today (and subsequent furlough days) when you’re back on the job.
Happened last time, as Reid pointed out.
Good reason to NOT work for the gubmint.
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I went to Niki’s blog and you weren’t kidding.
I changed careers and left a federally-contracted job seven years ago. We were told one day that they were downsizing, and that some of us would be let go. The situation maintained while I went back to school, and then I jumped. It hurt when I did it, but I have to tell you…I wouldn’t work for the government now if they BEGGED me. Not after seeing this nonsense.
I think Nicki’s going volcanic.
I’m listening to the Senators rattle on about ACA, blaming each other.
I think they’re arguing for funding now, but not sure, to get people back to work.
But all of this is a good reason to be self-employed whenever possible.
MCPO NYC USN (Ret.), I understand how you feel. I will get hammered when this nonsense is over by people asking me why projects arn’t done? Especially, my worthless supervisor.
It will be expected that I will work overtime to complete them and than ain’t gonna happen.
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“The amendments pushed by House Speaker John Boehner also had maintained previous attempts by Republicans to modify President Barack Obama’s signature healthcare law. These included a one-year delay of a mandate for individuals to acquire coverage and a requirement that members of Congress, their staffs, and executive branch appointees acquire healthcare coverage through new insurance exchanges that started operating on Tuesday, but without any government subsidies.”
http://news.msn.com/us/senate-rejects-latest-house-gop-effort-on-budget
This last ditch effort was voted down along mostly party lines. However, I really like the last part.
Liberal democrats want your vote but will NEVER lower themselves to you standard of living.
And I am a moderate democrat.
I tell ya what, folks. I’ve just about had it with the drooling, inbred, cross-eyed ignorami in Washington! My agency looks like a vast wasteland, while entitlement checks are being handed out, food stamps are on schedule and citizenship and permanent resident applications are being processed on time (of course, eVerify and probably other programs to ensure they’re here legally are magically shut down).
I’m getting fucked for the second time this calendar year – first the 20 percent loss of pay during the summer and now this pernicious bullshit, while the parasitic shitslurpers whose hands are perpetually in my pockets, redistributing my earnings to the nation’s leeches, arbitrarily take away my salary even as they get paid for the pathetic FAILS they are!
Please, Congresshits! Could you use some lube this time or something? My delicate starfish can’t take much more of your buggering!
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Wow.
Awesome.
Thank you. I’m only slightly angry. Can you tell? 🙂
Remember what I said, about Social Security being next?
Read it and grouse: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/debt-ceiling-treasury-final-extraordinary-measures-97690.html
There is not enough cash in the cash drawer for the Treasury to continue paying its bills, including Social Security. If this isn’t resolved by Oct. 17, retiress are screwed.
I’ve been paying into that system since 1963. My Social Security payments INTO that system paid for my grandparents’ retirement, and my parents’ retirement, and your grandparents’ and parents’ retirement, too — ALL of that.
So before you start all that crap about how it functions or disfunctions, it was that asshole Clinton’s administration that ripped off the Social Security Fund. You should also know that there are some people who have no other source of income in retirement because what they had was wiped out.
And I’m one of those people, so don’t start with me. I want my goddamn money back.
There is not one of those shitholes in WDC that has EVER had to live on a budget of any kind. If this asinine excuse for a government can’t manage its finances any better than this, it deserves to be shut down. The people it ‘serves’ DO NOT deserve to be slapped with the bill for it.
You go, girl!
As one of those who will never see a dime of the social security money I’ve been paying into that system since I was 16, I’ve pretty much given up.