The background check debate today

| March 31, 2013

In the Washington Times, there a couple of links in regards to the debate on background checks. The first is about Senator Jeff Flake, and his appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press”, this morning;

“We do need to strengthen the background check system, but universal background checks, I think, is a bridge too far for most of us,” Mr. Flake said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “The paperwork requirements alone would be significant.”

Not to mention the time requirements for a private seller to locate someone to do his background check, pay the man and wait for the results on an already overloaded system. Phony Vietnam veteran, That Dick Blumenthal tells CNN it doesn’t matter, that any gun control is good;

“Any step that saves lives is a step in the right direction,” he said.

Polls released in the past week indicate that public support for stricter gun laws has dropped almost 10 percent since the December school massacre, when up to 57 percent of Americans supported a crackdown on guns.

So, how is anything that the government does now will save lives, especially since the feds don’t enforce the laws that are already hovering over our heads? And, of course, Mark Kelley, the husband of Gabrielle Giffords and the guy who was denied approval to purchase a scary black gun in his home state, had to weigh in on Fox News Sunday and says that any legislation that doesn’t have universal background checks is worthless;

“They absolutely have a point — I mean, they are right on that issue,” he said of the NRA. “We need to encourage states to include the mental health records … I would love to work with the leadership of the NRA, and work with the United States Senate and the House, to make sure we get those records in the system and then close the gun-show and private-seller loophole.”

But Mr. Kelly said he didn’t think the notion of universal checks paving the way for a national gun registry — a common fear of many gun-rights advocates — isn’t “logical.”

Kelly is absolutely the last guy to talk about universal background checks. First of all, his wife was shot by a fellow who passed a background check because the local law enforcement which had several run ins with Loughner never sent up a red flags about his background. He’d been threatening Giffords for more than a year, and he’d been apprehended for several run-ins at school, but never arrested.

And then there’s the whole thing about a gun dealer denying Kelly permission to buy a scary rifle and Kelley’s comments about how frightening it is that he could buy one with just a few mintues’ background check. He still picked up his 1911 although the dealer wouldn’t sell him the scary black rifle.

As far as the lie about universal background checks not turning into a “national gun registry” – if that’s true, why are Manchin and Schumer arguing over whether or not the government should destroy the records of a background check after approval is given for a transfer? Schumer won’t budge and thinks the government should keep records, while Manchin says that he opposes it.

After the transaction is approved, why would the government need to keep a record of it? Unless it’s, like Schumer said, a “backdoor” to national registration of guns?

Kelly traded away any goodwill he might have had before he went into that gun store. Who the Hell would trust Blumenthal after it was discovered that he’d been lying for years about his non-service in Vietnam? And then apologizes for it with more phony soldiers on the stage with him. Maybe the voters of Connecticut trust him, but the rest of us aren’t that gullible.

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DaveO

Unless the government plans on turning over the IT that will make this happen to Google, Universal Checks is just another con-game to pay Obama’s Silicon Valley backers shit-tons of money in exchange for nothing.

Those shitbirds won’t get the VA-DoD electronic health records right, or the F-35, so how will they get Universal Checks right?

2/17 Air Cav

The government that loses laptops containing secret and confidential information? The government that stuffs papers in its pants at the National Archives? The government whose elected officials are regularly accused of immoral and illegal activities? Is that the government we are to trust? Me, I don’t think so. No thanks. Oh, and as for keeping records, try this on for size. When someone is arrested, a record of the arrest goes to the FBI, as well as the state repository. If the arrestee is given a break in court and is granted probation before judgement, upon successful completion of the probationary period, the records of arrest and court appearance can be expunged. The FBI ‘expunges’ its records by labeling the information EXPUNGED! In other words, the info is still there but should not be used against the subject. That’s the government we’re supposed to trust?

RunPatRun

Somewhat related, Milbank wrote (whined) that too much time has gone by and gun control supporters won’t get anything approved now: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obama-on-guns–too-little-too-late/2013/03/28/93a2287a-97f1-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html

CCF4

In addition we also have kids being tracked as well, who believes these records will disappear?
http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?SEC={26385D06-166F-43EE-B2F8-A170E6926CED}

K.J. Hinton

Leave it to the left to come up with brilliant ideas that accomplish absolutely nothing besides punishing the law-abiding for the actions of the law breaking.

Common Sense

@4 – and all of your email, tweets, phone calls, and financial data:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/20/cia-tech-boss-on-your-data-we-fundamentally-try-to-collect-everything-and-hang-onto-it-forever/

And your license plate: http://reason.com/blog/2012/05/22/dea-wants-to-track-your-license-plate-an

Mark Kelly lost my respect when he carpetbagged into Colorado to testify for the gun control bills when Colorado citizens weren’t allowed to be heard.

Ex-PH2

@6 – Re: the DEA article: you have to eliminate the “drug traffickers” excues if you actually ask what the real purpose is behind scanning license plates in the first place.

If the drivers whose plate numbers are scanned have no history, why would any reasoning being need to keep them?

And what happens if the driver/car owner gets a new plate number to avoid tickets, and the old one is given to someone else who has done nothing wrong?

The new number owner gets busted for something he didn’t do.

NHSparky

I love my freedom, but fear my government.

Prime example of it right here.

MCPO NYC USN (Ret.)

@ 8 … I fear the current administration. The government … ah … not that much!

But do share your opinion.

NHSparky

Kind of along the same lines as my philosophy when I got out–I didn’t miss the Navy all that much, but I sure missed the people (at least most of them.)

Having further government intrusion into our lives in the name of someone else’s safety at the risk of yours simply doesn’t make sense.

old dirt dart

You can trust the government ask any Amer. Indian.

Bam Bam

Well mark Kelly is a valuable source of knowledge about “assault weapons” because as a navy fighter pilot and NASA astronaut he has extensive know- lol sorry I couldn’t even get it all out without laughing.

Emotion driven tool. But hey! He supports the right to hunt! Just as the founders intended…

MCPO NYC USN (Ret.)

@ 10 NH … “Kind of along the same lines as my philosophy when I got out–I didn’t miss the Navy all that much, but I sure missed the people (at least most of them.)”

I say, “I miss the clowns not the circus”.

B Woodman

I’ve heard way too much long-winded reasons and excuses for further infringments on that which has already been way too infringed. Reason and logic don’t work.
So here’s the short answer: Not only NO, but HELL NO. And if THAT doesn’t reach ya, how’s about FUCKIN’ HELL NO. Can ya hear me now?
Are you, the Libtard Elites, willing to risk YOUR life, family and property for a shooting bloody civil war??

John

Kelly has first hand knowledge of assault weapons from being around all those Space Shuttle door gunners. I do not know why everyone thinks he does not.