Obama campaign plotting against veteran votes in Ohio
Breitbart writes that the Obama for America Campaign, the Democratic National Committee and the Ohio Democratic Party filed a suit last month in Ohio that opposes the three day grace period for absentee votes…you, know, the way that veterans are more likely to vote from their military addresses outside of Ohio. I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that Ohio is a battleground state, and that polls say that almost 2/3 of veterans are supporting Romney in this election. From Mike Flynn at Breitbart;
If anyone proposes legislation to combat voter fraud, Democrats will loudly scream that the proposal could “disenfranchise” some voter, somewhere. We must ensure, they argue, that voting is easy and accessible to every single voter. Every voter, that is, except the men and women of our military.
Make no mistake, the Democrat lawsuit is intended to disenfranchise some unknown number of military voters. The judge should reject it with prejudice.
So, I guess the Democrats aren’t buying that their big push for veterans’ votes this season is going to work, so it’s back to the tried and true disenfranchisement strategy. This is not my shocked face.
Category: Military issues, Veterans Issues
@44- Ex-Ph2. I do salute you for actually going through the trouble of looking at the complaint rather than simply depending on Breitbart. The purpose of the suit is to allow EVERYONE the same right that Governor Kasich arbitrarily gives only to the military.
I’m not really sure how you, or anyone else, can justify ONLY allowing the military and their families that privilege of in-person voting three days before the election. If the right is important to the military it is important to everyone.
While i’m saluting, i also have to hand it to the brilliant politics of this move. Take away a right for everyone EXCEPT for the military and then when the Obama campaign sues about this, you can whack them for allegedly attacking the military. BRILLIANT! No one does political ploying like the GOP.
Well, if you want to step away from your fantasy world for a bit, most of the people ACTUALLY getting convicted of voter crimes are Republicans getting convicted of voter suppression.
Formet Maryland Governor Robert Ehrlich convicted of 4 counts of voter suppression:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/06/robert-ehrlich-paul-schurick-voter-suppression_n_1131852.html
But here’s a Republican Secretary of State that was convicted of voter fraud along with seven other counts:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/04/us-indiana-white-idUSTRE8130FS20120204
Of course his fraud was misrepresenting his address claiming to live in the district in his ex-wifes basement when he was in fact living with his fiance. Nothing about voting often or stealing an identity.
Seems when a Republican is asked to cite specific examples of voter fraud they babble about registration fraud and state the illogical proposition that because we didn’t catch any it somehow proves that it is happening:
http://www.politicususa.com/republican-slithers-asked-provide-examples-voter-fraud.html
@38- Upnorth. If you would actually bother, you know, reading what I wrote you’d see that i outright stated that student ID’s do not prove citizenship, they prove identity. So does a signature and it does so better than any actual picture ID. Anyone who has used a phony ID to get into a bar can tell you that. The way it’s been done in the past, very effectively, is to have a big book of signatures, you sign in and the election official can simply compare your signature with that on file and you’re done. No onerous insistance on the elderly to get identifcation cards, no extra fees and it is much better than ID’s. Of course the purpose of these laws is to limit democratic voters not to stop fraud. Here’s a PA official admitting it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98hw3lVIC0Q
So no, voter ID laws will NOT stop voter fraud. If anything it will increase it. But as the above politician admits, that is NOT what this is about. And the accompanying applause confirms that most people in the GOP know that.
Let’s see, sip, onerous to require an ID? I’ll let the folks who sell drain cleaner in Illinois know, the government requires it to buy the product. Have to have one to drive, cash a check, check out a book at the library, sign up for welfare, get food stamps, fly or attend a Michelle Obama book signing. But, the laugher in your latest screed is this, a signature is “much better than ID’s.” I’m sure that every dem out there agrees with that. The elections here, at least for the last 20 years or so, have been that you show your ID to the poll worker, she looks at the pic, then at the voter, then checks that you’re legally allowed to vote and records your name. Works just fine, unless your residence of record is Matamoros or Tijuana. Then they give you a signature form and they compare the signature to what’s on the ID. Because, that’s the only way to verify identification.
But, I get it, if felons, illegals and dead folks couldn’t vote, or the Dallas Cowboys offensive line could only vote once, you and the dems would have gone the way of the Dodo bird.
@46 – AirCav, voting by deceased persons has been going on in Cook County and Chicago for decades. Still goes on, even if the current mayor denies it.
“While the lawsuit does not restrict the ability of military personnel to cast their ballots early, both sides know how volatile an issue this can be.”
The above is from none other than Fox News.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/04/obama-campaign-sues-ohio-over-early-voting-law-for-military/#ixzz22cvVnUUp
I’m not sure what the hell you’re talking about, Insipid, but I’ve been an election judge in the precincts in which I’ve resided for over a decade. NEVER have we utilized this signature method of which you speak, instead doing just as UpNorth has stated: taking ID, comparing ID, marking the name off the list.
@ROS, when I lived in Chicago and voted in elections, I had to sign for the ballot, and the election judges did a signature comparison. Where I live now, I still do that. It probably varies from precinct to precinct, district to district, state to state. I voted in Virginia in 1968, because I lived off-base and only needed to provide my military ID card.
That seems like a surefire way to encourage fraud. The only time we’ve gotten signatures is in addition to showing ID where the voter would sign by their name on the list before their name was checked off.
insipid: As a group, yes – they’re “relatively” safe. So is alcohol when taken in moderation. However, here is your statement on the subject, quoted verbatim: “There is no known link to the use of psychotropic drugs and fetal abnormalities.” That assertion is bullshit. The link I posted clearly documents the fact that you were blowing it out your ass. Above, you chose to cherry pick a statement from the summary rather than actually read the document I cited. The details in the document contradict you regarding certain psychotropic drugs commonly in use today. Some individual psychotropic drugs used today indeed are linked to fetal damage – specifically, low birth weight and/or other issues. These are in turn linked to a higher instance of birth defects, including mental ones. You’d know that if you’d actually even skimmed the survey rather than merely reading the summary. But that would take effort, and might contradict the talking points you’re parroting. So I’m not surprised you passed on even doing cursory fact checking even when I’d identified sources for you that proved you’re wrong. Further: it’s common knowledge that certain psychotropic drugs formerly used are extremely bad news during pregnancy. Ever hear of something called thalidomide – used for a few years as a low-end psychotropic (e.g., as a treatment for insomnia) until it was found to cause rather horrific birth defects? Oh, and you’re wrong regarding cocaine/amphetamines/benzedrine not being psychotropic drugs. They qualify. Here are some of the accepted definitions for the term “psychotropic” and/or “psychotropic drugs”. Psychotropic: Having an altering effect on perception, emotion, or behavior. (Psychology) another word for psychoactive Psychotropic medication: Any medication capable of affecting the mind, emotions, and behavior. psychoactive drug Substance abuse An agent that provides pleasure or ameliorates pain, and may cause physical dependence and tolerance, with a tendency to ? dose in order to achieve the same effect; use of non-prescribed psychoactive agents may be ‘social’ or casual, or evolve into frank addiction; in descending order of addictive potential cocaine/’crack’, amphetamines, opiates, nicotine, alcohol, benzodiazepine, barbiturates, cannabis, hallucinogens, caffeine You really should research things… Read more »
Oh, and about that “a signature is harder to forge than a photo ID” BS, insipid – you obviously know nothing about embedding watermarks, holograms, and digital signatures. It’s possible to create (cheaply) an ID today that is exceptionally difficult to forge – and can even include biometric ID data securely embedded in the ID itself. In contrast, creating a first-glance passable forgery of a signature is fairly easy. All you need is an example, a few sheets of paper, and a bit of time to practice.
And there’s this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/military.asp
Congratulations, you succeeded in parroting a falsehood. Wait, that’s question number one on the “are you a true conservative?” quiz.
Snopes??? What’s next, a Wikipedia cite?
@63: Can you refute their facts, or are you okay with attacking them? Again, I forget that you may be allergic to facts. Hang on, I can speak conservative…”tax cuts, tax cuts, drill baby drill, socialism…”
I was seriously going to let this lie. But then hotair weighed into this and they are saying basically the same thing I’m saying so how can i resist? http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/03/obama-democrats-suing-to-block-military-voting-in-ohio/ From the article: =================================================== So no, they aren’t trying to block military members from getting to the polls, but arguing that since the polls will be open anyway, everyone else should have access to them as well. A couple of commenters think this will be a “logistical nightmare,” but the logistics aren’t really that scaleable. Having the polls open for a few would be the same as having them open for many. There may need to be few more election judges, but those positions are voluntary anyway. =========================================================== This is going to hurt but. Good…. Job….Hotair…. [passes out from effort] I should not of used the term psychotropic drug but rather just stuck with hallucinogens or just LSD. The fact I was right, there is no known link between mental retardation and drug use: http://www.fetal-exposure.org/resources/index.php/2000/10/01/the-effects-of-hallucinogen-use-during-pregnancy/ ========================================================= However, there is no solid epidemiological evidence of a cause-and-effect relationship between LSD use and congenital anomalies (McGlothlin et al, 1970). The greatest drawback to the aforementioned studies on LSD and hallucinogens in general is that people who use LSD as a recreational drug during pregnancy are more likely to use other drugs as well (e.g., cannabis, alcohol, tobacco), more likely than someone in the average population to have infectious diseases such as gonorrhea and hepatitis, and more likely to be exposed to additional risk factors that could also have an adverse effect on pregnancy. Since the 1970s, there have been few studies done on the teratogenic effects of LSD. ========================================================= Also, there is a link between obesity and ice cream cones and there is a link between obesity and heart attacks. But the supposition that a mother’s use of LSD while pregnant led to low birth weight which led to mental retardation is just as stupid as saying eating ice cream led to a heart attack. That being said 1. my mother never actually did LSD. She smoked 1 or two cigarettes a… Read more »
This sentence above :
The fact I was right, there is no known link between mental retardation and drug use
Should read LSD use.
Mike Flynn should be fired. Blatant lie. Any journalistic integrity and the man would have at least referenced the complaint.
Romney’s parroting the same garbage. I would love it if that guy ever showed some courage to do the right thing. No integrity at all. Sad.
One thing is revalatory about this thread. I know the excuse you’ll use this time when your guy loses: dead guys voting, voter fraud. Anything rather than admit that the American people are rejecting your ideas.
Yeah kind of like how the chik fil-a boycott blew up in the looney left’s face. Every once in awhile the silent majority speaks, and the sound is deafening. It won’t be long until we’re heard again in November. Your fraud is getting kicked out on his ass before he can do anymore damage, and there isn’t anything you can do about it. Besides, I have yet to meet someone that honestly believes a trillion dollar plus defecit for the fourth year in a row is actually a good idea.
insipid: frankly, whether you meant LSD or not doesn’t alter the fact that what you wrote originally was just plain wrong. Your original statement referred to psychotropic drugs as a class – not LSD specifically. This later “I really meant LSD, not psychotropic drugs” mea culpa is weak as hell.
It also doesn’t alter the second major error of fact you made – specifically, that you tried to cherry pick data from research results disproving your claim and claim that the cited report in fact supported your original statement. Hell, you didn’t even bother to read the report I cited. All you did was look at the summary and cherry pick a quote you thought was supportive. You didn’t see that other data presented later contradicted your position.
Bottom line: you were just plain wrong – again. But you still won’t admit it, and are trying the old “well, that’s not what I really meant” ploy to avoid doing so.
Not even a “nice try”.
@35 who are you kidding sparky? You want to see every eligible white male registered to vote
Shitstick–I want to see every eligible PERSON registered to vote. No more, no less.
Now GDIAF already.
I would love it if that guy ever showed some courage to do the right thing. No integrity at all. Sad.
You mean like telling Obama to ORDER Holder to testify in front of Congress re: F&F instead of covering his ass?
Or Obama telling those people leaking TS info to the MSM to knock it the fuck off? Oh wait, that shit makes him look good, so you know he’s gonna keep letting it happen.
I have a question for our brothers and sisters in arms serving overseas. Way back when hack was a young Corporal (28 years and 90 pounds ago), the Far East Network used to run commercials to promote absentee voting. If i recall correctly, the jingle was “One million people overseas, our vote counts!” or something similar. in light of the Democrat Party’s effort to restrict absentee voting by the military, are they still airing that commercial overseas?
…and another stupid meme destroyed. See? It was to restore rights for everyone. That was clear in the original suit and the judges response – who overturned the law, made early voting available to everyone including the military, and ruled the law unconstitutional.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/08/federal_judge_overturns_ohio_l.html