This is where we take our stand; a review
One of our ninjas sent us a preview copy of the Iraq Veterans Against the War’s last gasp, their last chance at relevance, an hour long video entitled “This Is Where We Take Our Stand” about the lead up to and the events of their Winter Soldier II theater in Silver Spring, Maryland one weekend in March, 2008. TSO and I worked together for the first time at that event, so I figured the internet needs my perspective on the day we were there. You can see the live blogging I did there at this link.
The video seems to focus mostly on three members of IVAW; Geoff “Stolen Valor” Millard, Selena “Army Sergeant” Coppa and Jason Washburn. I’ve met all of them. Of the three, Geoff Millard was a general’s gopher during his tour of Iraq and then went AWOL when he came back and the Army wouldn’t give hi a medical discharge for his high school football injury, Coppa never deployed to the war, and Washburn, a former Marine corporal, might have some level of authority to speak as an Iraq veteran.
In the video, Millard talks about how he’s having difficulty adjusting after the war because of the things he’s seen. Yeah, the only thing he saw was power point presentations and backed up latrines. Millard was the epitome of a POG, even though we caught him wearing a CIB during one of his protests. To prove he was a POG, the medals he pirated to impress the hippies with were 3 unearned Meritorious Service Medals – only a POG would think that would be cool. The video follows the admitted bisexual Millard while he shops for tattoos, as if that’s what combat veterans do when they have down time. And it shows a conversation Millard had with the shop owner about how he was an explosives expert and it was fun until he started blowing up people. I don’t know how many people he blew up while working on the general’s staff, but I’m guessing it was none.
Coppa comes off like a martyr in the video for sticking to her anti-war views while the Army was trying to boot her out. It wasn’t that at all. TSO and I were both advising her to sit down and shut up if she wanted to remain in uniform. Advice that she ignored and paid the price, so it shouldn’t have been a big surprise to anyone. The Army and she are both better off for that now.
The video focuses on some of the testimony at Winter Soldier, like Jason Hurd’s tear-jerker about almost shooting a woman, and Millard’s recounting of the story about a General’s staff officer calling Iraqis “hadjis” and making fun of the driving skills. They also throw in the clip of Jon Turner as he throws his pin-on ribbons on the floor after his testimony and the declaration that he is no longer the monster he was. Those were probably the highlights of my time in the testimony, too, since TSO and I were giggling our asses off in the back of the room while these antics occurred and the filthy hippies were blubbering and cheering.
At the end of the video, Millard complains that no one cared, that the American public panned the testimony. There were more than 50 media agencies covering the event from nearly every outlet in the world, but, as one of my readers said at the time, it went off like a wet firecracker. No one cared because their testimony was not compelling. There were no atrocities revealed, they missed their mark. More Americans read about the Winter Soldier II event in my blog than in the media – I had over a half-million hits in the days that followed my attendance because people wanted an unvarnished look at the testimony that wasn’t filtered through the media. And testimony about shooting a building to pieces with a 50 cal. just doesn’t pique people’s interest.
So this video is supposed to fill that gap between the media largely ignoring them and my reportage. But, like the testimony, the video reports a non-story. I don’t know what they spent on the propaganda piece, but it was too much.
Category: Iraq Veterans Against the War
I was Millard’s NCOIC in Iraq. WE did NOTHING there.
The video was originally going to feature a lot more people. I think PBS is responsible for them focusing on us.
Beyond not being compelling, the stories then and now are doctrinaire:
Secret ninja-like warriors wrongly persecuted by The [uniformed] Man? That’s every episode of the “A-Team.”
Horrifically wounded Marine doing his patriotic duty in dissent? “Born on the 4th of July”
Rogue leaders murdering rivals, enemies, and innocent civilians alike? “Platoon” This is such a common meme that when the Kill Squad story came out, I was fairly desensitized and inclined to disbelieve it.
Veterans as outcast, smouldering cauldrons of blood-lust but really have a large heart for innocents: “[Rambo] First Blood”
Blah blah blah.
Don’t forget “our freedome of speech” If we just say these turds should be kicked in the balls, but make no overt act or threats to their face… we’re just using our freedom.
Hell, I actually recieved three MSM’s and I think that makes me a pogue. (And can we come to an agreement on a commonliy excepted spelling of pogue. It doesn’t have to be P-O-G-U-E but whatever it is can it not be P-O-G. First of all it would rhyme with FOG and those are those bottle cap like things kids used to collect back in the 80’s) (I HATE that spelling).
Whatever though.
I fucking hate hippies.
And DaveO is spot on.
*accepted (not excepted) Sorry.
@2: It doesn’t matter who they focused on, because with Millard saying shit like this “And it shows a conversation Millard had with the shop owner about how he was an explosives expert and it was fun until he started blowing up people” mocks and marginalizes the real PTSD suffered by those that actually were in those situations. The whole Millard exchange does no favors to suffering Vets and someone that professes to care about their fellow Vets should know better. Instead; it’s a politicized dog and pony show for the intellectually vacant of society.
FOMSG #5; I changed the way I spelled it because you dickweeds complained when I spelled it “pogue”, so you need to have a meeting and send me a dictionary. I’m surprised you’re not complaining about the way my mother spelled my name on the birth certificate.
PBS? “Progressive Broadcast Service” or the other PBS, the one publicly funded with tax-payer dollars? Oh wait, they’re one in the same. My baaad. So, Army Sergeant? How much are your “share” of the royalties from this here lil adventure? Hopefully enough so you stay afloat the rest of the year and not have to sell any more of your possessions.
That’s the “word” out on the street… Too bad you didn’t listen to Jonn & TSO’s advice when they offered it to ya. You’d have been much better off in the long run than you are now but, for the glory of fifteen minutes of fame, here you are. Right?
If BNCOC can be “bee-knock”, “POG” can be pogue.
And I totally agree with your mother’s misspelling of it on your BC. Seriously, why DID she use a ‘J’ on lieu of a ‘Y’? 😀
< Offers ROS the use of my old, trusty dusty steel pot and flak-vest….You just might need 'em…
I’m safe; I have a cigar stash with which I may bribe the Bard of Bloggery. 😀
I don’t make any royalties from that movie, and I don’t know where you get your intel from, Streetsweeper, but it’s wrong: I’m doing fairly well these days. I wasn’t booted out, but medically retired: and it was the right answer for both me and the Army. My PTSD wasn’t letting me function at my best.
Sorry to break your narrative of all anti-war vets broke and struggling for food and all.
“All anti-war vets”? Most vets, except the sickos, are anti-war. I think you mean anti-military, AS.
I was Washburn’s HM and berthed with him on his 3rd tour in Iraq. For a little more on him:
http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines/WinterSoldierIISlipperySlope-HelmsAllender.htm
It was not his squad, he was assigned to Mobile Assault Company, 3rd BN/1st Marine Regiment….not to KIlo Company.
Washburn is a liar and a disgrace. It’s sad to see that this is the hill he has decided to die on.
If you think I’m anti-military, you truly haven’t been paying attention.
And if you think we’re pro-war, you haven’t been paying attention.
How exactly DOES one belong to an organization called “Iraq Veterans Against the War” without havng been deployed to Iraq, yet maintain a clear conscience?
The same way those who “served,” maybe in Canada, call themselves VietNam vets. They have no conscience beyond spewing whatever lie suits the agenda. (As do all fanatics.)
In my view, MacArthur expressed the soldier’s thoughts about war well, but incompletely: “The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.”
But also in my view, the situation is more complex than MacArthur’s statement above – which I’m not sure gave even MacArthur’s complete opinion on the subject. (MacArthur was also reputed to have called the Korean War “one last gift to an old warrior”.) I won’t claim to speak for others – but I’ve found my feelings towards war more a love/hate relationship.
The highs are incredible – particularly after a close call when you realize that you (and your subordinates) are safe and you’ll see another sunrise. But I’m not sure words exist to describe the lows.
In my view, Lee said it best at Fredricksburg: “It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it.”
Just my two cents on the subject.
Context, AS. Nowhere did I say that you were anti-military. Read the whole sentence, not just what you want to see.
Army Sergeant: I’m curious. Since you’re now medically retired, why is your blog still titled “Active Duty Patriot” and presenting itself as “One active duty Army Sergeant talks about life, the military, patriotism, and the Iraq War.” (emphasis added) Seems just a tad misleading to me. But maybe that’s just me.
Jonn, actually that IS a good idea, we ought to have a meeting. I doubt you’d get a dictionary out of it though.
Very much like she speaks on the Iraq war and is in IVAW without having been there, Anon.
Former Army Sergeant:
How does someone get medically retired with service-connected PTSD after successfully avoiding deployment to OEF/OIF/OND? It seems that if one tells a civilian that he/she got medically retired for PTSD then the civilian will automatically assume that the former soldier deployed. And I’m sure some of these folks don’t do anything to straighten out the misconception or give the full disclosure warning.
Also, how can someone be involved in an organization called “Iraq Veterans Against the War” if that person has never deployed to Iraq or anywhere else?
I also have a problem with someone who calls herself “Active Duty Patriot” when that person is no longer on active duty.
I’m not going to comment on the details of my service, however, I did participate quite heavily in the Iraq War. I have never claimed to be a combat veteran and would defy anyone to find an incident of my claiming such.
What other people think of my PTSD is also not my problem. My medical doctors, my close friends, and my squad at the time know the cause-I don’t owe anyone else any explanations.
However, for those of you getting all hot and heavy about the supposedly disingenuous nature of my blog…have you noticed the date of the last post? Occam’s Razor, boys. Which is more likely-that I’m coldly and calculatedly practicing fraud on the American blog-viewing public…or that I just haven’t seriously blogged for years?
You decide.
Also: Jonn, I challenged TSO to give me a better word for it. Still waiting!
So, you’re ok with someone like the Chippendale SEAL getting his VA benefits, even though it might be under fraudulent conditions, because “he don’t owe anyone else any explanations”? Is that fair to anyone that pays taxes? If you are receiving retirement pay and VA disability for PTSD from the battlefield, then good on ya (a good friend of mine got his mush scrambled due to an IED and was med-ret, even though he fought to stay in), but if it had nothing to do with military operations (i.e. doing your job and the roof falls on you, get run over by a 2 1/2 ton truck, etc.); then we all should have gotten med-ret.
So, you’re ok with someone like the Chippendale SEAL getting his VA benefits, even though it might be under fraudulent conditions, because “he don’t owe anyone else any explanations”? Is that fair to anyone that pays taxes? If you are receiving retirement pay and VA disability for PTSD from the battlefield, then good on ya (a good friend of mine got his mush scrambled due to an IED and was med-ret, even though he fought to stay in), but if it had nothing to do with military operations (examples of military operations; doing your job and the roof falls on you, get run over by a 2 1/2 ton truck, etc.); then we all should have gotten med-ret.
Army Sergeant: you can make that argument if you like. But it’s weak. An alternate and equally (if not more) plausible explanation for someone reading your blog is that you’ve been too busy to write (or lost interest in writing) but have had no change in military status. Frankly, that’s what Occam’s Razor would tell me in such a situation absent your statement above. And I’d guess I’m not alone.
In any case: as currently written your blog is still misleading to anyone who reads it, doesn’t happen to notice the dates, and thus assumes it to be current. And you’re linking to it every time you comment here.
Perhaps a two- or three-sentence article posted up-front stating the fact that you’re (1) no longer serving on active duty and (2) are no longer maintaining the blog for that reason is in order. Otherwise, persons reading your blog and who don’t know your history may well be misled. Should you wish, it could also vector readers to any new internet work you’re doing now.
And it would prevent people from being unintentionally misled as well.
Hondo you’re just making too much sense man, stop that.
@ Army SGT. Let me be clear. I smell a rat! Your PMSTSD is my PMSTSD because I (we) PAY FOR IT. Don’t walk in hear not to discuss your complete and truthful military history. Furthermore, if you don’t want to talk about it … don’t put it out there for all to see and comment on. If you want to be in the public eye … well then bare it all … I believe that is called COURAGE. And for geeze sake … update you anti-war blog site.
As an addendum to the record, I also know the general reason for her PTSD claim and subsequent retirement. But, that’s not something I’ll discuss publicly.
OldTrooper: I don’t think I deserve to be put into that category, just because my personal beliefs on the advisability or validity of initiating a military conflict with Iraq several years ago happen to differ from yours.
I acquired my PTSD in really shitty circumstances that I don’t care to talk about. You pay a lot of taxes-doesn’t mean you get to hear everyone’s personal medical files in exchange.
Hondo: In all honesty, I probably should write something up. I just haven’t sat down and made the time-it hasn’t seemed a priority, given that almost no one visits the site. I link it here just because I’ve been posting on TAH from back when it was still regularly updated and accurate. (Back when everyone thought I was a dude, heh.)
Jonn-I appreciate that.
STOP. RU now saying you are a chick with a dick? You don’t have anything but a serious job delima.
Army Sergeant:
Explain this article: http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/health/20111024/9/3624
From the article: “She served for eight years in the United States Army, working as an intelligence analyst, a platoon sergeant, and an intelligence squad leader, before returning to New York City two years ago.
Shortly after she returned, Coppa began experiencing symptoms of post-traumatic stress. She began having nightmares, and would startle awake at any sound. She would hear or see something, and suddenly be immersed in forceful memories of combat. More and more often she would find herself needing to quickly leave a situation in order to calm herself down, and that began taking a toll on her work and her school.”
Forceful memories of combat, huh? See, this is exactly what I’m talking about. There hasn’t been an effort to correct the misconception. You weren’t in combat. Period. Full stop.
@34: How do you know that our opinions on going into Iraq differ? FYI I was against it, as I have stated many times here on this forum, however, where we probably differ is my belief that once the decision is made to send in troops; you support those troops and the mission they have to perform without sniveling and falling back on the lame assed rhetoric of the 60’s peace pussy movement (yeah, a lot of the slogans and excuses have been regurgitated shit piles from the 60’s anti-war/communist crowd).
Do you think we all live in a vacuum? I had seen shit in my time in the Army that happened during operations that would probably qualify on the same level as you. Most everyone that has put on the uniform has and that’s my point; we all should get medical retirement and bennies, then.
Maybe I’m old school, but I have always thought that if your injury, PTSD, anal warts, whatever, didn’t happen while prosecuting your duties, then it isn’t service connected. If I was downtown and got my assed kicked by Bubba and his brothers/cousins because I looked at his girlfriend/sister wrong, then it wasn’t service connected, IMO.
I’m not trying to shit on your parade, because, even though we disagree on many things, I still have respect for you and have stuck up for you on several occasions.
@36–that’s gonna leave a mark.
NHSparky: Yeah, I’m scratching my head trying to reconcile that article and the first para of comment 26 above too.
‘Course, it also wouldn’t be the first time a member of the media “got it wrong” in a published article, either.
Army Sergeant: yes, you’re right – in all honesty, you should write and post something on your blog updating it to reflect the current truth. The implication in your comment 26 above is that it’s been around 2 years since your status changed. A final, two-sentence post indicating that you’ve left active duty and are no longer maintaining the blog for that reason would be all that’s necessary. This would take maybe 5 or 10 minutes.
And you should also post a comment to the Gotham Gazette article cited in comment 26 above. It clearly implies you are a combat veteran, and has been up for 4 months. I rather doubt you’re unaware of its existence. And comments to the article seem to remain open. This would also take maybe 5 or 10 minutes.
The question is, will you do either?
It seems to me that spending 10 to 20 minutes to set the record straight and prevent people from being unintentionally misled is worth doing. But maybe that’s just me.
And for what it’s worth: at some point, failure to correct untrue or misleading information about oneself becomes complicity – particularly when you’re the source.
Correction: the Gotham Gazette article is cited in comment 36 above vice comment 26. Typo.
Army Sergeant: No updates yet to your website. Also no comments from you disputing the misleading info contained in the the Gotham Gazette article in which you’re featured (URL in comment 36 above).
I understand being busy, but c’mon – in each case, correcting the record to avoid misleading people would be both easy and quick. I’m kinda wondering why you can’t find 15 minutes or so to do that.
@36 (and Hondo)
I hate journalists. This is why I don’t do interviews anymore really, but made the mistake of doing this one because supposedly it was going to be about what the city could do to help veterans.
Thank you for pointing out this article, which is putting me in a frothy rage as it seems to be entirely half invention. From the very start. For example, I didn’t “promise to enlist” at 17. I enlisted at 17, after parental permission. And I’m not struggling to find healthcare. I have Tricare. And I didn’t “return to NY and start having symptoms”, nor was the VA the first place I went, also PTSD is now crazytown….
I went and left a comment there for them to contact me. I’ll let you know if they do.
@35-No, I am not. Where would you even get that from? When I first started blogging, I didn’t reference my gender, so people thought I was a guy until my identity was revealed. Your statement is…rather a jump.
Hondo overall: Jonn’s blog doesn’t have a thing that lets you subscribe to a post so all comments go to email. I’ve mentioned this to him before. So I don’t always see when more stuff gets added.
Army Sergeant: the “no subscribe” feature is why I posted a couple of times, including some posts on other threads. I figured you might have missed these.
Good to see your follow-up with the Gotham Gazette. Also good to see that it was another “sterling example of modern journalistic accuracy” vice an attempt to mislead.
Still might want to consider updating your former blog, though.
Again, you did the least you could do. You could have posted a comment on there that read, “I am Coppa, and I want to correct one major error in the piece. I am NOT a combat veteran and never deployed in support of OIF/OEF. The reporter was confused.” Instead, you posted the plea for them to contact you. Contact THEM yourself or make an honest effort to correct the misconception. Heck, it’s almost as though you want to keep everyone guessing, being in a group called IRAQ VETERANS (emphasis mine) Against the War.
Yo, Army Sergeant: are you ever going to update your old web site so that it indicates you’re no longer on Active Duty?