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“Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.” -Saul Alinsky
The silent majority’s revulsion at the New Left’s demonization of Vietnam-era veterans created an environment in the popular consciousnesses that said, “Never again. Never again will returning troops be spit upon and libeled as criminals.” However, the media’s discovery of the 3/2 urination video has crystallized in my mind a reality of anti-war propaganda, that the nature and character of the troops themselves is the battleground, yet again.
In the wake of the video’s discovery, a sad dichotomy has emerged in the media. On one side are the “reasonable” and “responsible” forces who call for the discipline of these Marines for their actions. They studiously call for deeper investigations and ask “the hard questions” about how and why this happened. Those who have served in uniform, our nation’s true journalists, conservatives and those on the left with the strategic and moral clarity of the late Christopher Hitchens are left to cry out for context and make emotional declarations of solidarity with the dehumanization of Taliban fighters. In other words the narrative established in the opening hours of the story forced the defenders of the American service member into the indefensible position of championing pissing on dead people. That’s a losing fight.
In very recent history the discovery that Marines had urinated on the enemy’s dead would have triggered an internal disciplinary action, if for no other reason than such behavior undermines the professionalism and bearing upon which the Marine Corps stakes so much of its reputation. Today, though, it becomes a media firestorm, a chance for the often collusionary anti-war and anti-American forces to vilify the effort in Afghanistan as a lost cause perpetrated by the morally bankrupt. Stories such as these, in conjunction with the largely manufactured rash of recent PTSD horror stories, function to establish a narrative of immoral entropy, making the case that the war effort in Afghanistan is fundamentally corrosive to everyone touched by it. Instead of a difficult and noble endeavor to do right, to spread basic human rights and to doggedly pursue the most evil cabal of men in modern history it is a cancer on the nation to be cut out without mercy for the well being of the entire nation.
This is a fight which will be waged at your expense; the active duty and reserve service members and the families which sacrifice so much to put them and keep them in the fight. There’s a target on your back. Keep your chin up and your nose clean.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Media, Terror War
If we fall on our swords, if the sheepdogs oh the world intentionally end our vigil by mass self fladulation then what price pay they sheep when the wolves again roam the herd?
Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but does anyone else notice that these little incidents start to come to light in number when an election season starts rolling around?
I champion pissing on dead people with a clear conscience. Not only should we piss on them, but we should include a bath in bacon grease once our fine fighters have smoked the bastards. When is this country going to regenerate the balls it once had and start fighting to win? Screw them and their sensibilities. They should be made to understand we will win at all costs.
“You want to hijack a passenger plane? That’s fine. We had all those folks sign a waiver in order to fly. They already know what you don’t. That fighter jet behind you? Count with me now – three, two, one…buhbye.” Let that happen once or twice and those Muslim craptards will realize we are just a teensy bit crazier than they are and you won’t hear from them again.
I think I’ll ship some fatback over to my favorite soldier this week.
Bye now.
I’ve been trying to figure out how pissing on corpses advances anything but base and temporary emotional impulses, much the the larger ‘war effort’.
Maybe I’m a lonely voice here, but I gave a shit about my terps trusting me and my men not to violate a central tenet of their religion. I gave a shit because my life could have depended on it.
CI you’re not alone, I understand what your saying, but when all is summed up we ARE the good guys. Letting people forget that is what turned Vietnam into such a cluster fuck. The Marines did wrong, but in context of what our enemies do? And let’s be honest you would show respect to the victims of these “fighters” long before you respected them.
Side note: CI You were 1/28 right? Did you know the mortar section at all? I’ve got an 11C here from 1/28 thought mayhab you know him
@Doc – “…but when all is summed up we ARE the good guys.”
Agreed, and I don’t want it to come across as saying anything contrary to that.
I was at BDE working for Big Jim. I probably didn’t know the 1/28 MTR guys [though the PSG’s name may ring a bell], but I knew the Black Lion 1SG’s pretty well……much like I knew a certain red haired 1SG from 2/16 that you probably remember [we go way back].
re #3
When we enter into a “who’s crazier” competition with radical theocrats bent on the destruction of western civilization we’ve already lost.
I had a similar issue with a soldier posing dead Iraqis and snapping pics. This behavior is inexcusable under any circumstance. I trust the Corps will mete out justice in this case.
NSOM: I’ve always feared that we Gould break down and declare a real actual holy war on Islam. The “kill all the infidels” type. It would probably start in Europe, and if ever it came to pass not a single Muslim would survive. See I’m not afraid of fighting our enemy. I’m afraid of what the people we guard will do should our enemy push us to far
CI: you know one of these days you and I should swap stories.
Unprofessional actions, yes. But I find it really hard to believe that people are as outraged as they pretend. Let the military handle it. The general population doesn’t need to know every thing that happens, every hour of every minute of every day. TMI
Jesus Fucking Christ, not another post on this. The last thread got really stupid, really quickly, with people going into irrelevent tangents that are completely immaterial. Let me summarize this. Judge this act objectively, tune all others out. This has nothing to do with the entire USMC, Nato/Isaf forces, or, the US military. Scaparrotti’s edict, was just plain stupid, redundant, and unnessary. There is no evidence that this is wide spread. These four guys are dead wrong. Period. The media, experts, Leftist loony opinions, and those who are peddling sympathy but it is really condescension, aside. These Marines were flat wrong. This is not a total war, this is not a debate about the effectiveness of COIN, and this did not happen in somekind of heated moment that is known, this was a deliberate action. It is hard enough for a third party to conduct a counterinsurgency campaign as is. The core of which is provide order by selective force of arms and policing. This is partly dependent on gaining the trust of said locals and largely respecting, though occasionally altering, the local culture. Our long term objective is to create local security forces to supplant/replace us, this can only be done with some, if not all, local support. If you do not like this or don’t think it will work take it up with our political leadership. If this had not been videotaped and their command had found out about it, they almost certainly would have been disciplined. I doubt court-martialed though, most likely somekind of nonjudicial punishment. If leadership found that they couldn’t be trusted or were a liability, they most likely would have just been taken off the line. I would also guess that they would have finished their enlistments and been discharged Honorably. Though I admit it might have hurt reenlistment opportunities, I’m Not as familiar with how the USMC internal organs work. Bada Boom, Bada Bing, Get it? Okay from the post above. 1)”…that the nature and character of the troops themselves is the battleground, yet again.” There is some truth to this but I… Read more »
re #10
Cheers, dude.
What seems to be always ignored by MSM and lefties is that the head chopping, use of human shields, honor rapes, etc, of the enemy is their AVOWED policy. What the marines did was a violation of our policy (include Abu Gharib, My Lai, etc) and is punishable.
The MSM and the left only use this for political purposes, which makes them merely ghouls who feed on the bones of our troops.
@4: “Maybe I’m a lonely voice here, but I gave a shit about my terps trusting me and my men not to violate a central tenet of their religion.”
That’s fine and I understand your view, however, if it is a central tenet of their religion; how does that explain them doing worse to others without so much as a raised eyebrow from those of that particular religion?
@13: the Fatwa for the Beheading, is all about the fact that Mohamed himself beheaded 600 Jews that betrayed him, or wouldn’t fight for him, in Medina. The “Honor Rapes” you got wrong. The rape is an act of payback ex: jimmy steals a Camel, jimmy is protected, so instead of punishing Jimmy you rape Jane, Jimmy’s sister. Jimmy is thus dishonored. The woman is then killed because she is defiled. Human shields, I’m not sure there’s actually a Fatwa or cultural reason to explain this one.
Its all a bunch of horse crap to me, propagated by amoral, and cowardly people. But that’s just me. I think you can practice Islam without being a raging yellow bellied douche-bag.
@4 and 11: there is a point to consider here. you have to be buried within 24 hours (presumably by family). There is actually a lot of very important things you have to do to a body after death according to most Islamic tenants. Which might raise questions when suicide vests leave little to nothing to bury. Also during the sectarian violence, patriarchs were snatched up, disappeared beheaded (so they could not be identified) and dumped in shit trenches where they would dissolve (quickly) thus disallowing proper burial. I’m not saying these Marines were right, but context context CONTEXT
We are the good guys here.
We forgot the manual. What stops the muslims in their tracks is knowing the consequence of their jihad is to be cast out into Eternal Darkness.
Piss on ’em. Leave their corpses for the dogs and pigs. Commit to total war against Islam. Their recruit pool will dry up in a week, and their Saudi financiers will look elsewhere.
#15 “Its all a bunch of horse crap to me, propagated by amoral, and cowardly people.” To be accurate its really just one, the “prophet” Mohammad. To understand Islam you must understand his highly flawed character. That goes double for the Arab world, on who’s culture rode the back of said religion. This is why we must make him, a focus against the resistence of the spread of sharia law in the West and beyond.
@17: you would be committing suicide to actually say so in public forum. Buggers are quite touchy on the subject.