Duff believes Ventura; smears Kyle
Yeah, big surprise, but Gordon Duff thinks that Chris Kyle’s story about punching Jesse Ventura TFO is a right wing conspiracy against Ventura. Why? Well, Duff should know, he claims he was a sniper in Vietnam, so he knows;
Part of my time in Vietnam was spent as a sniper. In real life, and this is how we have to be, snipers are seen as “backshooting cowards” by the rest of the military.
Even with the old equipment we had, I could hit 3 people, “pink mist,” before they knew it from so far away it would take them an hour to get there, terrain as it is.
I didn’t like it, it felt “dishonorable” to me but this is just my opinion.
Yeah, it’s easy to call the occupation “dishonorable” when he was never a sniper. You forget we saw your records, Gordon. you were a rifleman for four months until you became a TOC-RAT gopher. You only spent 18 months in the USMC – that’s hardly enough time to even begin training let alone be the type of sniper he claims to be.
So the rest of the crap in the article about him being a ninja-boxer dude (despite the fact that he claims he’s 100% disabled) is probably bullshit, too.
And he keeps calling Kyle “Kris Kyle”, but it’s really Chris Kyle, i know because I bothered to read the book, which Duff admits that he never will, but that doesn’t stop Duff from criticizing Kyle;
Military service is a trap, the more “special” or “secret” the bigger the trap and, as so many know, the more unstable and purely delusional those around you can get, especially “leadership” such as it is.
Anyway, who am I to judge?
Exactly, Duff, who are you to judge with your extensive 18 months of military service?
I am not so sure I believe Mr. Kyle, which, since he presents himself as a SEAL, dishonors all SEALS. Marines would have shut his lip long ago.
He is a SEAL, Duff, not “presenting himself” as one. I checked on him, just like I checked on you.
Just because you like Ventura and Ron Paul, that doesn’t mean Kyle is lying, it just makes you hard-headed and incapable of accepting things that don’t fit your world view. You forgot to mention that the Mossad probably put Kyle up to punching Ventura. that was the only bit of regular bullshit we’ve come to expect from your ignorant ass…er mouth.
Category: General Whackos, Ron Paul
The Duffoon opens his claptrap.
Gordon Duff is as phony as margarine. He is “real” like Soy is “real” burger meat. What a loser.
Does Gordon Duff still check to see what is written about him every day?
Does Gordon Duff check to see what is said about the dopes who are http://www.veteranstoday.com, once in awhile.
Gordon Duff a sniper? That’s a hoot. Snipin’ at men coming and going from the men’s room perhaps.
Duff’s cheese slid off his cracker long ago, if it was even there to start.
Now, I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and state that most if not all of Duff’s claims are, well, bullshit. Kyle has stated (and I’ve heard it) that he doesn’t care if someone is for or against the war. He has TWO Silver Stars, and FIVE (count ’em, FIVE) Bronze Stars. What do YOU have for all your time, Duff?
You call snipers cowardly, but again, gonna go out on a limb here and state for the record that while I wasn’t a ground-pounder, knowing that there were snipers out there waiting to target me would be a bit unnerving. But I would also take comfort (yes, COMFORT) in the fact that one of MY buddies was either doing counter-sniper or being the sniper. Cowards? Hardly, Duff–I’ve seen what the modern sniper goes through. You’re not worthy. Give it up. Gunny Hathcock you ain’t.
As for the rest, TL/DR.
Above was me, and had I remembered that I did a cookie cleanout yesterday, I would have typed the info into the little boxes.
What a dingleberry, I think his parents must have thrown away the baby and raised the afterbirth. A nonhacker of the highest order. That ten percent of the Corps we referred to as the sick, lame, and lazy.
This is what sounds reasonable to me.
If someone had walked up to Jesse Ventura in a bar and punched him Jesse would have filed charges and we all would have heard about this a long time ago. End of Story. Sorry that does not fit your world view.
Furthermore it sounds kind of like a sneak attack to me.
Sneak attacks may be in some cases justified?
Would it have been justified in this case?
Could Chris have claimed that it was a pre emptive strike against a man that was plotting to harm him?
The tell that sets off a lot of this is that about 90% of Duff’s article is about him. What he knows. what he has done.
Just read the first sentance of the each paragraph.
I wonder if his sniper record includes the donuts off the table at a 100 feet?
Whoa! I just saw the “pink mist”! I read Gordon Duff’s quote and spit pink Snapple all over my computer screen.
Curt what the hell are you smoking. Ventura is batshit crazy. who is he going to file charges against exactly if as the Kyle says afterwards he took off cuz there were cops RIGHT THERE.
Left Duff a NNIIIICCCEEE little comment there. $5 says i get the ever loving shit spammed out of my e-mail
So then the cops did not see or hear anything either I suppose!
On big guy goes and hits another big guy in a bar that they happen to be sitting and they hear or see no evil. Yes that is the behavior that I often talk about!
Since when are USMC SNipers rated as Marksman? that was Duffs Qual according to his records. Duff’s a typical TOCRAT Pogue claiming to be a Ninja.
Actually we wouldnt have heard about this earlier. Ventura would not like to admit he isnt a real SEAL for one, claimed combat service which he never had, and how would he look to the public talking smack to real SEALs at the Wake for a Fallen Comrade saying they deserved it. Venturas all mouth until the real deal took him back to Humility.
@9: The cops weren’t in the bar, but rather right outside the bar. So, yes, it could have happened without the cops knowing anything.
Stop eating paint chips, Curt. If you’d bothered to listen to Kyle’s recounting of the incident, he said he clobbered Jesse and then bolted before the cops moved in. I doubt very seriously that he had bothered to introduce himself to Jesse before putting the smack down on his whack-job ass, so who exactly would the cops draw charges against?
Curt said: “Furthermore it sounds kind of like a sneak attack to me.”
Um, Curt, what is a sneak attack? Is that when two boys square off and one doesn’t wait for the other to take the first swing? Is that what a “sneak attack” is? Big boys call it “winning”, “making a point”, or even “sucker punch”.
SEALS aren’t known for subscribing to the kinder,gentler way that is Political Correctness.
If it didn’t happen, it is still one hell of a good story of a deed done on a tinfoil hat crazy loon.
Hey Curtie, if you’re fighting fair, you haven’t been paying attention. Not that I think you’ve ever been in a fight, unless it was a slap-fight.
No way Jose, I am not conviced for a second that this happened.
It does not add up.
People make up stories all the time. I read this book about this guy who claimed that he and eight other resistacne fighters blew up this German troop train as it was passing over a bridge in Belgium. I went to visit the site. When I got there I found the detail did not add up. So I figured that I had the wrong bridge and went to the next bridge. The details did not add up there either. So I stopped in at this Museum in the nearby town. The man in charge could speak German. He showed him the book and told him what was written in it. He said that he lived there in 44 he was a child then but he was sure that such an event never happened. To think I read the whole damned book thinking that it was true and it was all a lie. I was pissed.
More importantly although it does not appear that Jesse has been completely honest about his time in the service his deceptions have been minor compared to AWOL Bushes deceptions.
Ventura got punched in the face by the real deal Curt, no need to get your panties twisted over it. Just deal with it and move on.
curious curt says “it does not appear” jesse has been completely honest about his time in service …. no shit sherlock, you’re quick !
….. just like the decepticons, Barry, barney, harry and nancy ~~ It’s Bush’s fault.
Nice job cool-aid curt.
Its obvious that most of you have not read Kyle’s account in his book (where Ventura was not mentioned by name). Of course that would require some research before running off at the mouth. Then you try to apply your limited experience to Kyle’s in predicting how he should have/did act. None of you were there, neither was I. Kyle’s telling is consistent with his actions while a SEAL (well documented by many other first hand witnesses). I’m strongly inclined to believe Kyle’s version…after all he has done do you really think he needed that worthless notch in his belt. Read the book before running your traps. Ventura is lucky that he only got an owie. Remember, by all accounts Kyle asked the Body to tone it down as it was the Irish wake for a MOH recipient Mike Mansoor.
Not a sniper and never played one on TV, but always felt good knowing they were silently overwatching us when things got tight. They need to apologize to no man for what they have done in behalf of their service and fellow warriors.
Also “It reminded me of watching Ollie North in his dress blues, there, in front of congress. I wanted to puke.”
Every picture I have ever seen of LtCol North testifying in front of anything, he’s wearing his pink and green service uniform. This guy’s memory is terrible!
Elric?? You DO understand that it is “most of you” here (that would be US!) who are in awe of Kyle, and totally support his actions against Ventura, right?
Most of us either have or will shortly indeed read his book. You know, because, it’s the kind of things folks do to support other folks for whom they has respect. Like other veterans. Especially ones like Kyle.
And many of us have not just read the book but purchased multiple copies of it.
“….his deceptions have been minor compared to AWOL Bushes deceptions…….”
If anyone doubted, it should now be plain, that Curt is just looking for a place to puke his BDS problems. Pretty scabby when he has to use a washed up TV personality to compare with GWB.
Um, which lies Curty, the WMD lie? (that was found and portions of it shipped to Canada?)
Or the aiding al Queda? (that was found to be factual?)
It all boils down to this for me.
1. On this site we have an author who posts his bona fides, not a reminder the he is better but because in this sick world Vets now have to protect themselves and fight another battle. For our very honor. The author here doesn’t use his past as a weapon nor as a way of forcing us to drink his kool-aid.
Though I served in a peace time army and I was a leg Ordnance Officer I still feel welcome simply because I too am a Vet. The authors here do not throw their experience nor knowledge in everyone’s face. As vets we can all belly up to the bar.
2. Duff, Ventura, and every other poser with grandiose ideas have to continuously remind us of where they been and what they have done. Not only that but Duff goes further by putting down the very thing he claims he was…a sniper. Yet in the very next breath he has to cordially remind us that he is a badass…been there…done that. So which is it? Is he proud of what and who is/was? He uses his past (made up or otherwise) as a weapon. To remind all of us peasants that he alone knows what it was like and how the world should be.
So who do i believe? The guy who acts like every NCO that has ever trained me.
@19: I think you will notice that most of us back Kyle’s version. Just sayin’
Well I guess that most of us can be forgiven for believing in such fairy tales. We all have our own predispositions going in to the jury box. Not much can be done about it until more evidence is produced to be evalutated.
OWB. Yes to your first point. As to your second, if many of the posters had read the book, my comments were addressed to those who have chosen to ignore the facts at hand, do any of their own research, or pursue a vendetta against our real warriors.
IMO, Ventura got off lucky considering his jacked up behavior. Duff would be a walking paradox if half of his claims were true. Unfortunately I’m sure the next meme will be that of the psychologically damaged vet. Yawn….I think we’ve all seen enough of that. Kyle seems pretty comfortable taking out about two companies of jihadis. I’m sure those who’s lives he saved would feel the same.
OK…is this the part where I state my bonafides to buttress poor logic or my own prejudices? Well, I once ate a pork patty dry. Top that you haters!
See, Elric, that last sentance is what has gotten you crossways with me, and maybe a couple of others. If you do not specify who you are calling a hater, then that leaves us to conclude you mean all of us.
That really doesn’t make much sense.
Curt, are you mentally handicapped? You seem to want to believe the most wild flight of fancy and ignore common sense.
Doc, heroin, hash, weed and some other drugs are legal in the Netherlands, just sayin’.
Curt burned up enough brain cells to ensure that there is no common sense there. IOW, the porch light may be on, but no one is home.
From all we that we think we know about the man know as Jesse Ventura it appears, to even the bats in my attic who are home all alone, that compared with US Generals and Admirals Jesse is a paragon of virtue.
Kyle also comes off to me as not a protector of truth and justice but a man who would probably be better off in prison or at least a classroom with a stern teacher who can keep him from harming himself and other innoccent people.
Now I do have to admit that I to, if I was younger and stronger and could actually make an impact on someones face would if I had the opportunty like to do it to some people.
I guess that I will have to settle for more subtle dreams however.
My most recent fantasy is to be driving my car and pulling out on to the street from a parking lot when I see a car approaching that I recognize as belonging to a General or an Admiral. There is time to pull our and I do so. Then I drive……….slowly, not so slow that it is obvious that something fishy is going on but say 20 in a 30 zone. Then after a 150 meters I put on my left turn signal and drive even a bit slower. Oops that is not the correct corneer I guess that I have to go to the next corner. Oops that is not the right one either. I guess that I have to turn around. No I need to stop and ask that pedestrian thinker over there where the Burger King is. He will reply, Ahhhh but I am looking at it.
Curteous Curt says that Jesse took a sneak attack, as if there is something wrong with that; and then describes in #30 what he would like to do to a Flag officer because he is to chickenshit to express his displeasure with the individual to his face. Can we say Kool-ader, kiddies?
Frank Ly,
You should be ashamed of yourself. A gentleman does not kiss and tell.
If comment #32, directed at me, makes sense to any of you, please enlighten me. I am from much too far in the sticks to understand it as written.
Which is precisely why many/most of us simply don’t read the drivel. Feeding a troll only encourages it. (Similar to trying to reason with any insane person.)
Curt, you know one of the worst parts about this, you denigrate people who have spent their whole lives protecting and defending this country.
Ventura acts like a jackass and he’s a saint?
It is simple some people are under the delusion that they have been or are defending the country. The opposite people really are defending the country. You see it your way I see it mine.
Same troll, different day, that’s all.
Curt, correction. There is only one way to see. Ventura may have been in the Navy but he was never a SEAL. The fact that he says he was one says more about his character then anything else. It’s that one fact most of the elite warriors past and present can’t get past.
Most people don’t know how much goes on in the military without direct orders, without direct 100% constant supervision. Did LT do all the 0100 checks on staff duty or just sign off on the clipboard? Did the LPs go out or was it a foxhole radio check?
If we can’t trust Ventura to accurately recall his service we can’t trust him period. That is the point here. As for chris…well…I wouldn’t have a problem with him in society. He has been tried and tested in ways many of us can’t imagine. Selection to the SEALS didn’t stop at BUD/S. He had to prove himself many times a day….not only to his team but to himself. I would be quite confident in his self control.