Bloomberg, MLKIII want gun loopholes closed
Associated Press happily announces that New York’s mayor Bloomberg and Martin Luther King III have joined forces to swat at non-existent flies;
The group introduced a national campaign to close loopholes in gun control laws. The campaign wants to ensure that a background check system includes the names of everyone prohibited from buying guns.
Supporters also want every gun sale to go through a background check.
Um, what loopholes? Those loopholes through which law abiding citizens buy guns legally?
See background checks work, you dillholes. They don’t work when local law enforcement doesn’t bother to put in some names of troubled individuals like Jared Loughner. Pima County authorities for whatever reason didn’t arrest Loughner for making death threats, nor did they turn him over to mental health professionals so they could put Loghner’s name in the system which would have caused red flags to pop up when his name went through the NICS.
Bloomberg makes it sound like Loughner slipped through cracks in the gun laws. Loughner slipped through cracks in the professionalism of Pima County LEOs.
Don’t write more laws and don’t confuse the electorate. Make law enforcement enforce the law.
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Blooming idiot hates guns and therefore is irrational in his thoughts and calls for action. Facts mean nothing to him. He will lie, deceive, and misrepresent the truth in order to get what he wants. He’s just another POS richboy who bought an election and thinks he knows so much more than the rest of us.
This is a pretty stupid reaction to the Loughner shooting. Even the background check didn’t prevent him from buying a gun.
The only thing that could have stopped it was IF Sheriff Dupnik had done his damned job or the Govt is going to require a medical records check.
Correction: he bought 3 elections.
The ONLY “loophole” that could possibly be addressed is the one that never will be: it’s not illegal to be mentally ill. Until a mentally ill person commits a violent act, there is NOTHING that can legally be done to constrain them.
The medical community has some options available, but they are extraordinarily reluctant to commit anyone involuntarily, since most institutions that take those type of commitments are packed to the rafters already. Again…unless a person gives some sign that they are a danger to themself or others and unstable, they will NOT be committed. And that is the ONLY way that Loughner’s type of shooting will be stopped.
The sad part of that dumbass shooting in AZ, if that crazy guy had tried to buy that Glock in CALIFORNIA, he would have been able to buy it!!! AZ, CA and most other states do not have a system in place that allows cops to put a crazy on a “NO GUN BUY” list. The only way we can get a crazy onto that list, is if they fall into a catagory of folks who we can show are a danger to themselves or others.
Look up Calif 5150 W&I.
I know, I’ve been frustraed for over 30 years knowing in my heart that some dumbass could still legally own a gun, but was a nut.
We also have to follow the constitution etc.
The only loop hole in this case is the holes in bloomberg’s brain cells. If he and others like him would gather the FACTS before talking, the laws would be more effective. Now, they’ll spin their wheels on a law that won’t help.
This massacre is an anecdote on the consequences of liberty. A much much smarter man than I am once said that in order to have the good, one must accept the bad because they look like us, and for the most speak and act just like us. One can only recognise the bad once they act. No one can separate the bad from the good before then. No human can make the distinction until after the fact.
Since we lack foreknowledge, the Mayor would like to game life by making blanket dictats. He is a fool. He can’t wipe out bad folk by decree. By taking away the means of self-defense he ensures that each time a bad person acts, the body count is far out of proportion. But when you have a billion dollars laying around in the petty cash account, one can afford the right attorneys and judges to stay clear of civil suits.
We have a situaton wherein someone acted insanely. Several acted bravely, even at the cost of their lives. And an oceanliner full of folks who pushed their own agendas, either for money or self-aggrandizement.
Dave O, very wise words. But I must counter you in one area. One can recognize the bad before they act. It’s been proven time and time again by those who have uttered the words, “I should have said something before…” We do not lack awareness of something before it’s existence, for that awareness is our conscience, our gut feeling, or perhaps our sorrow for those who we feel in our hearts will be taken from us by that very person we sense is in it for his own agenda. And once we vocalize that awareness, it is only a matter of time before it’s proven. The question remains: how to stop the evil action before it is taken? And on what level is the line drawn?
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Somebody shoot shoot that guy in the head.
Jonn, by my count, this is at least the third time you’ve insinuated in a post that the sheriff/cops/law enforcement in general somehow failed to act and therefore left Loughner running loose. Let me preface my comment by saying I have no specific knowledge about this case other than what I’ve read and seen in the media. Maybe you have some info I don’t.
If they didn’t arrest him for the alleged threats, there is probably a reason for that, and the reason probably is there wasn’t enough there to charge him. The alleged threats might not have been credible or met other criteria under AZ law. A complaint doesn’t automatically mean a crime has been committed, nor does it necessarily mean the subject of that complain will be arrested.
As has been mentioned above, it’s still not illegal to be crazy. Unless a person poses an imminent threat to themselves or others, there is little law enforcement can do, and no “list” to put people on to keep them from buying weapons. Being nutty as a fruitcake doesn’t cut it. By all accounts, no one, including his parents who saw him every day, thought that Loughner was a threat to those around him.
If you have some specific knowledge about how LE dropped the ball, then by all means, share. But so far nothing I have seen or read indicates that “Loughner slipped through cracks in the professionalism of Pima County LEOs.” I’m not sure why you seem so eager to blame the area LE for this outrage. Perhaps instead of blaming the cops for not having a crystal ball and locking Loughner up as a preventative measure, you should place the blame for these crimes where it belongs: on the head of Loughner.
Good points, Jack. I’ll take exception to “no one, including his parents who saw him every day, thought that Loughner was a threat to those around him“. Classmates at Pima County CC said they “sat near the door” because they thought he was going to shoot people.
And, the idea that LE in the area was, perhaps, not on the ball regards Loughner stems from the fact that Sheriff Dipstick is, or was, fighting release of anything to do with Loughner, while blaming Palin, Rush, and anyone not a registered dem. As the LSM has dropped anything but the idea that this was caused by rhetoric on the right, I don’t know if the “good” sheriff has released anything now, or not.
You’re right, UpNorth, I was a bit sleep deprived and didn’t communicate that thought very well. His classmates were scared of him, and he was kicked out of class and ultimately school because of his erratic and threatening behavior. Many people knew he had issues.
I’m not thrilled with the remarks the sheriff made in the immediate aftermath of the shooting (or since,) myself. I don’t know what, if anything he has released, or what, if anything, the law requires him to release. I’m pretty sure the media’s lawyers will or have filed FOI requests, so everything that is public record will come out.
While the sheriff has made a run for the spotlight, I don’t think that equals calling out local law enforcement and blaming them for somehow not taking action to stop this guy. Bottom line is, you can be as crazy as you want, but unless you are judged to be an immediate threat to yourself or others, cops can’t just lock people up.
I’ll say again, if Jonn or anyone else has factual knowledge that a LEO failed to act when required to by law, let’s hear it. Otherwise, I think folks should stick to the facts and lay off spreading bullshit.
There is one thing that can be done–and actually is in some places–and that is a coordinated effort between emergency room personnel and the local police, to effect immediate access to mental health facilities, particularly in acute situations. The reason this proves effective is that the family can contact the police and have the person transported to the emergency room by either an ambulance or the police or both, where an evaluation is made. A referral to an acute mental health care facility can be expedited, and the person in question admitted for observation. This helps to bypass the situation where the family tries to deal with a dangerous person by themselves, and it also circumvents the police attempting to do a mental health evaluation on the street that could be fraught with legal complications.
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PN,
I am an ER Nurse and we already work hand in hand with the Police and area mental health facilities. However, EMS or Police cannot compel someone to go to the ER without a court order. If they can talk them into coming in, we can keep them under a 1013 (72 hour commitment)if it’s justified, but we cannot kidnap them off the street. For the Police to be able to detain the patient and transport them involuntarily to the ER the patient’s family must go to court and have a judge sign a 1013 order first , unless they are acting out in a way that a Police officer can state they were an immediate danger to themselves or others. (IE: suicide attempt, violent behavior)
BR,
Yes, I work in a hospital, too. Same situation with us.