Navel gazing in the anti-war movement

| July 1, 2008

The antiwar movement has hit a brick wall and they don’t understand why. The War Resisters League has published a report they call a “Listening Process Report” assessing the movement. Mostly, it reads like a Junior High student council meeting. Lots of lofty ideas not at all with a even a little thought to process. TSO’s secret heartthrob, Kelly Dougherty illustrates that real well;

IVAW’s three goals are: immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces from Iraq, full veterans benefits, and reparations for the Iraqi people. Our strategy to end the war is to withdraw military support from the war.

Yeah, well, how are you going to do that, Kelly? Are you going to wait until the shooting stops and then declare victory for your side?

The Vets for Peace weigh in with the benefit of their experience. Michael McPhearson;

The most important thing about Veterans For Peace is that we are vets. Many of us have been to war. All of us are trained to fight. We know what war is about. In the public eye, we have credibility.

Here’s a picture I took of MacPhearson last September at a protest – he was an artilleryman in the 1991 Gulf War;

VVAW lost so much credibility after their Winter Soldier testimony and membership couldn’t stand up to scrutiny that they nearly melted away and joined the VFP. The same way the IVAW’s membership and fables don’t stand up to scrutiny today – coached by the thugs and storytellers at the VFP and VVAW.

The national field organizer of the War Resisters League, Matthew Smucker, in his conclusions to the “listening process” worries that the war will end before they can have any influence;

The U.S. military occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan will eventually come to an end. But will we be able to build a grassroots political force in the United States strong enough to positively influence when and how that happens?

Central to their strategy is the use of the IVAW as a wedge between the military leadership and their subordinates. But, as always with the drama queens of the anti-war (pro-profit) movement, the IVAW wants a more central role. “We’re tired of being window dressing for other people’s events” Jose Vazquez is quoted as saying in the report.

Snot-slinging Jason Hurd who ALMOST shot someone once, wants to create a generation of mutineers;

The philosophy is that if they don’t have soldiers to fight the war, they can’t fight the war no matter how much money they have. We see what helped end the Vietnam War was that all these soldiers said, “No. We’re not going to do this anymore. This is screwed up.” That’s what we want to do.

Um, Jason, that’s what soldiers in the Hollywood version of the Vietnam War did, not the real ones. I know all of those heroes at the VFP and VVAW told you that’s what happened, but if I were you I’d check more reliable sources.

Aimee Allison is quoted as saying;

“Military members represent a diversity in society that movement people often don’t. And I’ve always had that struggle as a former military person myself, that I’ve been in rooms where I look at everyone and I think, ‘You guys freak me out. I can’t relate to where you’re coming from.’”

I don’t know why they would freak you out, Aimee;

I guess the real hilarious part of the whole thing is that the war is ending just as they’re ending their navel-gazing.

Iraq has met 15 of the 18 goals for this year, more troops were killed Afghanistan (the war they characterize as legitimate) than Iraq last month…and the peace-for-fun-and-profit movement is coming up short. They refuse to believe that their movement is unpopular because it runs counter to human nature and counter to the American character. They’re old hippies trying to revive their glory days when they lived in an echo chamber and idiot college professors told them they were brave.

Now they’re trying to influence a whole new generation of misfits, liars and sociopaths.

Category: Antiwar crowd, Code Pink, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Phony soldiers, Politics

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rochester_veteran

They’re old hippies trying to revive their glory days when they lived in an echo chamber and idiot college professors told them they were brave.

That’s exactly what we see with the leftist anti-war crowd here in Rochester. The IVAW Chapter here is trying to portray losers such as TJ Buonomo as heroes. TJ accepted a full ride to the Air Force Academy only to spread conspiracy theories and rumors about his CiC and Vice President. He was lucky not to get court marshaled and got kicked out of the service.

streetsweeper

Jonn;

Just send out the *whambulance* for ’em but only after we chase ’em back into the depths of Hell, okie dokie?

Raoul

VFP only had about 6 Iraq vets join. They now offer one year free to them. Iraq vets in VFP are vastly out numbered by VFP “Associate Members”.

Or as Elvis Kokesh says, “Proud Freakin’ Civilians”.

Any word if the IVAW DC Tree Fort is under siege yet?

TSO

I’m sure the IVAW DC House is currently ringed by ninjas. Because the entire military-industrial war machine will come to a screeching halt over a army journalist with 6 heroic days in a war zone.

And Ms Dougherty seemed very nice, and by almost any definition is a hottie. I believe it was Jonn Lilyea himself who told me about some stockings she was wearing… I think most the IVAW girls are cuties.

Gramps

“The antiwar movement has hit a brick wall”

Todays so called anti war protesters are no different then the ones from the Vietnam war.

They are not really anti war, they are anti U S involvement. To wit:

In January 1973, a cease-fire was arranged. The last U.S. ground troops left Vietnam two months later. Despite the treaty fighting between North and South Vietnam resumed soon afterward, but U.S. troops did not return. The war finally ended on April 30, 1975 when South Vietnam surrendered to North Vietnam.

The Vietnam war continued, but the anti U S involvement ass wipes didn’t.

Raoul Deming

TSO,

I bet you had the hots for the chick with the Irish accent in “Caddy Shack” too.

TSO: Somewhat surprisingly, absolutely not. Found her annoying. Now, Lacy Underalls…..

Raoul Deming

Gramps,

“Todays so called anti war protesters are no different then the ones from the Vietnam war.”

THEY ARE THE SAME ONES FROM THE VIETNAM WAR!!!

Look at photos from Winter Soldier 2.1, more moldy oldies than IVAW types and most of the people running were moldy oldies too.

There is a study of the anti-war “movement” and they plot numbers versus age. You see two spikes, high but not wide, for undergrad and grad students, people who feel that they are supposed to protest and then there’s a mountain that ramps up linearly starting around 50 years old, peaks at 60 and goes down linearly. Lot’s of area (i.e., total numbers) under that mountain.

It’s the same bastards from the 60’s and some kids.

Raoul Deming

Gramps,

A lot of the demise of the anti-war movement happened before January 73. A lot dropped out after the draft was gone.

September 2005, the anti-war types were dead and then the media revived it with Cindy Sheehan for about 18 months.

Anyone seen Cindy lately? Seems the only ones who fear for her safety are on the right, afraid that she’ll harm herself when the left abandons her after she’s no longer useful to them.

David M

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