Going Rogue: The Marines in Afghanistan

| March 16, 2010

(H/t to F’n Boot for the link)

The Washington Post had an article in its Sunday edition about how the Marines are operating in Afghanistan. Basically, the articles implies that the Marines have essentially “gone rogue” and are choosing not to follow McChrystal’s strategy of focusing on protecting population centers. Instead they have chosen to focus on rural areas in Helmand, Farah, and the Nimroz provinces and have been reluctant to detach units from the Marine Air-Ground Task Force (MAGTF) based in Helmand to support operations in more heavily-populated areas like Kandahar.

I think this excerpt essentially sums up the article:

The Marine approach — creative, aggressive and, at times, unorthodox — has won many admirers within the military. The Marine emphasis on patrolling by foot and interacting with the population, which has helped to turn former insurgent strongholds along the Helmand River valley into reasonably stable communities with thriving bazaars and functioning schools, is hailed as a model of how U.S. forces should implement counterinsurgency strategy.

But the Marines’ methods, and their insistence that they be given a degree of autonomy not afforded to U.S. Army units, also have riled many up the chain of command in Kabul and Washington, prompting some to refer to their area of operations in the south as “Marineistan.” They regard the expansion in Delaram and beyond as contrary to the population-centric approach embraced by Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, and they are seeking to impose more control over the Marines.

I do not believe that the Marine strategy is contrary to McChrystal’s overall counterinsurgency strategy. In fact, I think the Marines are quite obviously adopting it wholeheartedly, just as they embraced many of the same COIN tactics in Al Anbar, Iraq. It can’t be ignored that Helmand (which is the center of the Marine’s AO) has been the scene of more coalition KIA/WIAs than any other province, despite the sparse population. Obviously, Helmand has become a very important power center for the Taliban and if any progress is to be made against the Taliban in Kandahar or the rest of the country, the Taliban must not be allowed a sanctuary in Helmand. They also must not be allowed to establish similar bases of power in Nimuroz or Farah province or move freely across the Pakistani border. The senior Marine in Afghanistan, Brig. Gen. Nicholson, has this same mindset:

“You cannot fix Kandahar without fixing Helmand,” Nicholson said. “The insurgency there draws support from the insurgency here.”

The situation was similar with Al Anbar in Iraq, which the Marines were also primarily responsible for. Al Anbar, like Helmand, was sparsely populated. However, it became an important base of support for the Sunni insurgency,  including for Sunni insurgents in faraway cities like Mosul and Kirkuk. Also, just like with Helmand, Al Anbar became an important transit point for foreign fighters entering and exiting Iraq. If we would have not secured Al Anbar and won the support of the people in Al Anbar, we would have not been able to secure the rest of the country.

Also, the article states that the Marines do not want to operate without the support of their own forces (the MAGTF concept). While Marines are trained to be supported primarily by Marines (or the Navy), they have shown an ability to operate succesfully with the support of the Army and Air Forces. When 2nd Battalion 7th Marines was operating essentially by itself in Helmand at the end of 2008, it was primarily supported by Army supply units, Air Force close-air support, and even British helicopter units. During my time in Iraq, our EOD team was from the Navy, the supply-unit supporting our base in Hit was an Army national guard unit, and our medevac support was from the Army. In Marjah, the attack was supported by Army and British infantry units. While the MAGTF is an important part of Marine Corps doctrine, the Marine Corps has shown itself to be flexible in both Iraq and Afghanistan and able to operate with the support of people outside of the Marine Corps and Navy.  If McChrystal needs to pull some units from Helmand to support an operation in Kandahar, the Marines are more than able to operate there.

We Marines are a hard-headed bunch who like to think out of the box and do things our own way, no doubt about it. But in the case of Afghanistan, I don’t think anybody can deny that the Marine Corps has embraced McChrystal’s strategy and are implementing it in Helmand, Farah, and Nimuroz province.

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B Woodman

Is the Marine’s strategy working?
If so, leave them alone.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

B Woodman

Hooah! Go jarheads!

Spade

The Marine approach….is hailed as a model of how U.S. forces should implement counterinsurgency strategy….riled many up the chain of command in Kabul and Washington….they are seeking to impose more control over the Marines”

translation

“You’re making us look bad! Stop that!”

UpNorth

Yeah, sounds like somebody “up the chain of command” thinks they got their dick stepped on, and they look bad because of it. Like B Woodman said, if it ain’t broke, leave it alone.

dutch508

Obama doesn’t want the war in Afghanistan won.

AW1 Tim

UpNorth,

You got that right. Let the adults run things, since it seems to be working. I had my fill of political meddling under Carter. I lost two good friends due to his bungling and micro-management skills (or lack thereof).

Obama and his crew of clueless sycophants and enablers need to understand that their job is to set the strategic goals, and it’s the military’s job to “get’r done”.

Marine6

Why would it come as a great surprise to anyone that Marines know how to deal with insurgents? From 1898 until 1934 Marines were involved in a series of small wars (the Banana Wars) throughout the Caribbean and Central America. The experience gained, and the lessons learned, were incorporated into our Small Wars Manual first published in 1935. The revision of 1940 is still in print, and is still a very useful document.

One only has to look back to the Marine Combined Action Platoon effort in Vietnam to see that the Marine approach to dealing with insurgencies has been significantly different than the “big Army” approach. And I would postulate that it has been far more effective.

Why do I see these complaints from higher to be driven by “you guys have to stop. You are making the rest of us look really bad!”

Fred

Who was it that once said, “It’s amazing what can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit.”

Marines are kicking ass and getting the job done. End of story.

Old Tanker

#8 Fred,

It was Ronald Reagan, and he also said (paraphrasing) “Most people go to bed at night wondering if they’ve made a difference in the world…..Marines don’t have that problem”

B Woodman

Isn’t this the same politically-correct interference attitude that lost us VietNam?
Instead of letting the military (all of ’em, God bless their hearts and weapons) do their jobs? (kick ass, kill enemies, and take names after the fact)

UpNorth

Yeah, Woodman, this is exactly the mindset that prevailed during the Vietnam era. Micromanage, over-think and, for heaven’s sake, don’t ever step on anyone’s toes. The only difference between the Boy Scouts and the Obama administration is that the Boy Scouts have adult leadership.

Fred

Now in all fairness, I think the Bush admin was only marginally better in regards to political correctness and setting domestic politics aside in regards to war.

Of course we all know how bad Clinton was at that and I can only say HW Bush was so-so in that regard. Where have all the real wartime presidents gone?

B Woodman

“Real”? “Wartime”? “Presidents”?
These are all mutually exclusive (XOR, for all you digital geeks out there) word sets.
Try combining any two of the above without breaking out in giggles & guffaws. Much less all three.

Fred

Fair enough, let me rephrase. When was the last time we had a President who put the National Security of the United States above all else? I think Reagan was the last one.

evilguitar9

Upnorth, I’d say that’s a slight against the Boy Scouts.

UpNorth

Evil, looking back, you’re right..Let me rephrase, one of the differences between….yada, yada is adult leadership. That and the one that really stands out, a strong sense of duty and honor.

Cedo Alteram

Dan, we’ll leave the fact that army combat arms had a lot to do with Al Anbar aside(remember the likes of Col McFarland by chance?). Something the Marines tend to gloss over. I digress. The question is not whether the Marines are going to Kick butt, or have a problem controlling the Helmand river valley(I don’t think they will have a problem).Its a matter of articulating a campaign that is feasible. President Obama has arbitrarily decided on an 18 month window, even though we know afghan security force won’t be able to fill the void in that time. Where should we deploy our manuever battalions so they can do the most good. Marjah is NOT a significant population center. It never had anything approaching 50,000 to 80,000 people but its been sold as the Vicksburg of Helmand province. There are no more then a few thousand in the vicinity. Most of the enemy fled then fight, which may or may not be good in the long run. Either the Marines or Petraeus/McChrystal(sorry can’t remember who off the top of my head) just admitted that two Marine battalions will be stationed there for the time being(until the end of the summer at least). Thats two out five they currently have. The Marines are supposed to have seven at they’re peak, before they begin to decline in 2011. As for Kandahar, its under government control. In no danger of falling. The city may be penetrated by spies and the like. Its the surrounding area not the city itself that we have to be worried about. Thats where the Taliban and they’re ilk are hiding. There really are very few true “population centers” in Afghanistan because the population is over whelming rural. A Mosque, Bazaar, and few barns is hardly a Center. I bring this up because others have commented that even Helmand is thinly populated by rural afghan standards and maybe we should have concentrated our manpower somewhere else. Possibly further east. This may or may not been the best decision. I really am on the fence on this one fellas. It… Read more »