Turley: Stolen Valor law endangers social life

| February 8, 2010

So the conversation about the constitutionality of the Stolen Valor Act continues among the chattering classes. The Associated Press does it’s best to muddy the waters by asking nimrods like Jonathan Turley;

Jonathan Turley, a professor at George Washington University Law School who is not involved in the two cases, said the Stolen Valor Act raises serious constitutional questions because it in effect bans bragging or exaggerating about yourself.

“Half the pickup lines in bars across the country could be criminalized under that concept,” he said.

Yes, that’s a real and certain danger to our culture isn’t it? It’d be a crying-ass shame if douche-bags weren’t able to lie to babes in bars. Or if Turley wasn’t able to lie to GWU co-eds.

Dozens of people have been arrested under the law at a time when veterans coming home from wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are being embraced as heroes.

Many of the cases involve men who simply got caught living a lie without profiting from it.

That’s kind of why the law was written – because laws against fraud for monetary profit already exist. And there is a profit involved in the lies, whether or not it’s tangible. Strandlof lied because he wanted to be a big deal, and the politicians who used him at their events and in their ads profited from his false message. Just like our Michael McManus profited by having CNN believe his message that the Army booted a Lieutenant Colonel after twenty-years of service because he’s gay – regardless of whether it was a monetary profit or a political profit it was still a profit.

Manny Alvarez tried to profit with his lie in the form of an elected office. Even if the profit is merely adulation from peers, it’s still a profit from fraud. Those who’ve used the uniform for cheaper airfares, or even free drinks at a bar, still profit from others’ heroism and sacrifice.

And if you can’t get some strange without sticking to the truth about yourself, build a porn collection and stay at home, doofus.

Doug Sterner, a friend of this blog, quotes George Washington;

Sterner noted that Washington created the Purple Heart, the nation’s first military decoration, and wrote: “Should any who are not entitled to these honors have the insolence to assume the badges of them, they shall be severely punished.”

I can’t leave the subject without quoting TSO’s man-crush, Peter Lemon, an honest-to-God hero;

Army veteran Pete Lemon of Colorado Springs, who received the Medal of Honor for turning back an enemy assault and rescuing wounded comrades in Vietnam while injured himself, supports the law, saying that pretending to have a medal can bring undeserved rewards.

“It gives you the power to entice somebody into marriage,” he said. “It could give you the power to be able to join an organization, get special treatment with regards to getting tickets to a football game, getting license plates, getting preferential treatment in a job situation.”

Category: Phony soldiers

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OldTrooper

Ok, I feel a blog post at the Burn Pit coming on. If I read one more quote of some no-load pus-nutted individual about it being no big deal and shouldn’t be illegal, I will have a psychotic episode. I swear I will snap 3 ways from Sunday.

TSO

Actually OT, BurnPit was working on it, so now delaying a day or two.

TSO

Unless you are writing one, which would be great.

proof

The Stolen Valor law will not prohibit men from lying to women in bars, but is specific to one certain type of lie. They can still brag that they are lumberjacks or high school football stars or how large their member is (at least until visual evidence is demanded!), but they cannot lie about decorations they did neither earn nor receive.
That is not an imposition on “free speech”.

ponsdorf

For OldTrooper: Ready on the left? Ready on the right? All Ready on the firing line. Figured I’d better set the stage a bit so no one gets hurt.

Maybe there SHOULD be a sort of misdemeanor version of this Law for twits bragging in a bar?

I hadn’t thought about it until the above post, but doesn’t the law have several different defined levels for killing someone?

And I have no/zero/nil idea as to how many ways the law defines theft.

OldTrooper

TSO, yeah, I’m writing one. It just takes a while to edit out how I really feel about things in order for it to be viewed with the discerning eye of those that read the Burn Pit. Finding words to replace such old standards as I use around here is actually tougher than I thought. Never the less, you will be greeted by a blog from me within the next 24 hours. I just hope it is up to the standards of the blog and your critical eye.

USMCdaughter1

At the end of the day a lie is a lie. If an individual benefits financially, materially, morally from their lie then prison and fined is where you should be.

There are those still living that earned the respect those medals command, many have died for them. Screw these asshats who think it’s ok. Screw them all.
/rant off

Gary

I bet the tune would change if it were people claiming to be GWU professors of law, Harvard Law Review editors, PhD awardees, continue in the vein of things liberal douches respect.

B Woodman

#8 Gary,
Don’t we have one of those types of fraud in public office right now, occupying the Red Shed?

And I say “occupying”, as in “taking up space, doing nothing useful, being useless.”

Pete

What about people that can’t get there records{dd214 from64 to 67, cert of service 67 to 72} spent 18 mo’ in nam during that time with D co. 1/26, can’t prove or know what awards that I have. Some of you will or would call me a want to be. It has happened before!! so the law sucks and so do some of you asshats on here.

Joe

Pete – you CAN get your DD 214. If you are what you are you can easily prove it. Here, if you’re able to leave a message here, you’re able to search for your lost DD214s. I DID!

http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/military/

http://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records/dd-214.html

I find it almost amazing that a REAL Vietnam vet would say this law sucks. Either you’re a complete idiot, still suffer from some PTSD or you are a poser!