Federal agents prepared to use deadly force at Mar-a-Lago raid

| May 22, 2024 | 150 Comments

According to a newly unsealed court filing, federal agents were prepared to use deadly force during the Mar-a-Lago raid. Agents planned to bring standard issue weapons, ammunition, handcuffs, and bolt cutters. However, instead of looking like federal agents, they were told to wear unmarked polo or collared shirts. They were also instructed to keep their law enforcement equipment concealed.

From the Daily Mail:

In the former president’s motion challenging the legality of the FBI’s raid filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, the filing notes an ‘Operation Order’ produced in discovery which contained a ‘Policy Statement’ regarding ‘Use of Deadly Force.’

The filing says the Order states ‘for example, “Law enforcement officers with the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary…”‘

It also says ‘the agents planned to bring “Standard Issue Weapon[s],” “Ammo,” “Handcuffs,” and “medium and large sized bolt cutters,” but they were instructed to wear “unmarked polo or collared shirts” and to keep “law enforcement equipment concealed.'”

The agents started the raid around 9am on August 8, 2022 and stayed until around 6:40pm.

Trump’s legal team argued that the raid of Mar-a-Lago was unconstitutional.

On Tuesday evening, Trump posted on Truth Social after leaving criminal court in New York he ‘was shown Reports that Crooked Joe Biden’s DOJ, in their Illegal and UnConstitutional [sic] Raid of Mar-a-Lago, AUTHORIZED THE FBI TO USE DEADLY (LETHAL) FORCE.’

He also sent out a fundraising email with the subject line ‘They were authorized to shoot me!’

Additional reading:

Ewall-Wice, S. (2024, May 21). FBI was ‘prepared to use deadly force’ in Trump raid: Explosive new details in the Mar-a-Lago classified files probe are revealed… Including where more documents were found. The Daily Mail. Link.

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HT3

Waiting for the Commissar to tell us that there is NOTHING to see here…

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Odie

Seems to me there has been a couple stories here recently I thought for sure he would pop in and comment on.

To be fair, there has been, on rare occasions, times when he almost sounded reasonable in his comments. But then he wanders off, around the bend and becomes the comissar we have all become accustomed to.

Commissar

Because there isn’t. This is standard use of force language on FBI warrants.

There is always authorization for the use of force in executing warrants, even if the language is not on the warrant. The FBi just includes their policy on the use of force in their warrants. Not all departments do, but all departments authorize the use of force in executing warrants.

And armed law enforcement have authorization to use deadly force WHEN NECESSARY in the conduct of their duties.

Most of the smart or reasonable regulars left when this place jumped the shark to unmitigated propaganda.

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jeff LPH 3 63-66

Hope your Socialist Shtick act is up to par today my Conservative friend Commissar. My BP always stays the same when your on…. speaking of my friend, “My Friend ” by the Strangers out of Fort Green Brooklyn NYC 1954
on the King record label.

26Limabeans
jeff LPH 3 63-66

I donated my record collection to the R&B Serenade radio show at Hofstra University on Long Island NY before I moved down to Florida. Sorry now on the loss of my collection of what we call obscure records, stuff that you didn’t hear on your local radio station back in the day but would hear it if you lived in the area where it was on your local station.

SFC D

You were doing great, right up until that last line. “Unmitigated propaganda” is your standard of operation. Once a fraud, always a fraud. And the really funny part is, you’re sincere in your beliefs, you don’t even know you’re a fraud, spewing the propaganda you’ve been fed.

Anonymous

Raided Roger Stone at O-dark-early loaded for bear hoping he would freak-out rashly so they could “unavoidably” waste him, too.

Sapper3307

yup

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HT3

Lets ship a bunch of marked boxes to Trump he didn’t ask for with documents the FBI carefully selected. Then we’ll send in FBI guys not immediately identifiable as FBI guys hoping that Trump’s security detail or Feds gets jumpy and hope someone gets shot. As long as the “right people” get shot The DC Swamp will approve. If nothing goes down, the FBI will know to search for the marked boxes they sent. This is called a set up. Then they’ll scatter random documents with SCI cover pages hoping that people will infer the documents were laying about in the condition shown. Just another day in the life of the soft coup the Dems/Leftists/Marxist attempt to save democracy.

Odie

Sad you had to spell it out for him, but you may have used words too big for him to comprehend.

Army-Air Force Guy

Firefight between the Secret Service and the FBI? That’d be interesting.

Odie

So, you ARE a fed Boi. Or, are awfully familiar with eff bee eye procedures. Do you write, or have you written, procedures to follow?

And since most of the smart or reasonable regulars left, does that make you not as smart or less reasonable for sticking around? I came along after said people left apparently, but I have found most, like 99% of those here, to be both smart AND reasonable.

Thunderstixx

Horse shit bunboi.

Fyrfighter

Interesting…. Was just on another site, and they had some lib there saying exactly the same thing, word for word… It’s almost like get their talking points, then spread out across the interwebs to spread them like a virus…

Blaster

Nope!

Not always! Better do some research on this before speaking. It HAS to be authorized and signed off on. The does not equal ALWAYS!

Come on man! Research is easy these days with the internet!

Mason

It doesn’t happen often, but I agree with you here. Of course they were “authorized” to use deadly force. They’re on-duty federal agents executing a legal process. That the FBI feels the need to state it so explicitly is weird to me. There’s a lot of stuff the FBI does that seems weird though.

AZRobert

When Chuck Norris has doubts, he calls Trump, so them agents be scared!

Drag Racing Maniac

Uhh… Chuck Norris does not have doubts, he has roundhouse kicks.

AZRobert

Myth has it that the song “Kung Fu Fighting” was about a young Master Trump and Chuck was impressed, just saying…

Green Thumb

And he doesn’t sleep; he waits.

Sapper3307

poopez

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26Limabeans

Listened to Howie Carr go thru the whole report yesterday.
FBI has gotta go. They “serve” at the pleasure of the president
and he can do away with them while in office.
Pretty sure I got that right but I’ll wait for Commissar to bleat.

5JC

Anyone not appointed by Congress, (ie field grade military officers and up) can be fired by the president at any time.

However; you’ll remember after James Comey was fired some of the members of Congress tried to organize a coup under the auspices of the 25th Amendment, using the fake Russian dossier and the phony Russian collusion argument. Trump had been president for less than a year It was driving the liberals bat shit cray-crsy.

Ego maniac, media whore and bureaucrat Miles Taylor tried his best to get it going. I wonder if he ever realized how much of a failure he was. He was so easily duped by the leftist media I am surprised he wasn’t a Berkeley grad.

Forest Bondurant

Democrats also lost their collective shit when Trump fired the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine because of disparaging comments she made. They also forget ambassadors serve at the leisure of whoever the sitting president is. They called it overreach then too.

Amateur Historian

I saw this yesterday. Fuck Joe Biden! I’m really not a big fan of the FBI, but I would like to believe that when the agents received their orders they were like: “Yeah, we really don’t want ourselves or our agency to be in the middle of the massive shit-show that would result if we shot the former President of the United States, members of his family, or anyone connected to his past administration. We’ll keep our trigger happy guys away from this bullshit.”

Now this is what I would like to believe, but I have a gut feeling the truth lies somewhere else. And as for Biden and his ilk: I know they are complete idiots, but c’mon! Hoping a former president you hate dies in a raid you authorized lethal force for would cause way more problems than it would solve. I would’ve thought they’d be smart enough to understand something so fucking basic! 😡🤬

Old tanker

Your faulty premise is that this administration is capable of learning anything. It’s all about keeping the power baby and now they just don’t care to hide it since they own the doj, homeland, fbi and all the other alphabet agencies. They think that the citizenry is so stupid they won’t see what is going on. That is the real insult to the nation’s intelligence.

Amateur Historian

“Your faulty premise is that this administration is capable of learning anything.”

Yeah, I knew it was faulty when I was writing it, but I couldn’t think of anything else at the time to express how pissed off I am feeling right now.

5JC

They have learned how to use strike through text and brackets.

I do have to advise a trigger warning for the below link. This is an elderly man, who’s being used by others for their purposes. One could argue that he deserves it. Still, it is very sad.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/05/19/remarks-by-president-biden-at-a-campaign-event-detroit-mi-2/

Jimbo

Your right it’s difficult to listen to a speech by FJB. What a load of BS coming from Biden. It’s amazing that the black people in the audience fall hook line and sinker for that shit. FJB referred to the audience as “folks” and the audience not realizing the code word for black people being used by Biden in his attempt to be black. Only the demon crats speak in that manner to a group of people.

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Mason

They’re afraid that if they don’t vote for Biden, then they ain’t black.

Hack Stone

Well, when Donald Trump refuses to RSVP for the midnight picnic at Fort Marcy Park, they have to go to Plan B.

rgr769

Let us not forget that they searched and videoed Barron’s and Milania’s bedroom and seized numerous docs not on the warrant, including Trump’s will. Plus, they refused to allow Trump’s attorney to observe what they were doing.

5JC

FBI Agents are always allowed to use deadly force when necessary.

The other details are a little…. Disturbing. I wasn’t there but if they were trying to hide their identity in some way to provoke a response from Trump’s security then we really have become a banana Republic.

Wireman611

The head monkey is in the White House after all.

Graybeard

“The baboon’s azz is in the White House after all”

FIFY

Forest Bondurant

Yeah, but in another related thread discussion from some time ago, Commissar eluded there was zero chance or any risk the FBI and Secret Service might be put in the position to have an armed confrontation at Mar a Lago. If I can find that thread I’ll post it.

Commissar's Butthurt

No need, sounds exactly something he would say, since he is talking out of his ass 95% of the time. I recall he also was privy to whatever was in those TS documents as he told us all what was in them.

Commissar

The DOJ disclosed a general description of what was in the documents in court filings, dipshit.

Commissar

I never said that. I said they would do every possible to avoid anything like that.

Armed law enforcement always has the right to use deadly force if necessary. And all search warrants authorize the use of force.

KoB

It also says ‘the agents planned to bring “Standard Issue Weapon[s],” “Ammo,” “Handcuffs,” and “medium and large sized bolt cutters,” but they were instructed to wear “unmarked polo or collared shirts” and to keep “law enforcement equipment concealed.’”

What, no flash bangs? Tear gas? Battering rams for gaining entry? It’s like they’re not even trying.

Ok, I’m not sure what the Secret Service Security detail for a former President is and/or how many supplemental troops would be available, but one would think that if members of said Security Detail saw a bunch of armed men, in civilian clothing, with no LEO IDs showing started busting in, the detail’s training would kick in and they would immediately start taking out the “invaders” with “extreme prejudice”. Maybe that’s what the planners of this raid wanted to happen. After all, that approach worked well in the past. David Koresh was unavailable for comment.

5JC

I think we got there about the time the other was writing..

SFC D

I can understand and completely agree with not going in with a SWAT style assault. But trying to go completely incognito is way too far the other direction and could seriously cause some Secret Service issues.

Hack Stone

Well, Joe Biden’s Justice Departed has all of this shiny hardware that they need to show to the taxpayers in order to justify their budget. That is why they deploy fully up armored SWAT teams to arrest people who peacefully protest in the front of abortion clinics. And be sure to call your source at CNN to have a camera crew on site to capture all of the action, which will be shown on a continuous loop at the next office Non-Christian Winter Holiday Observance Party.

AW1Ed

That NCWHO Party is for Employees of Color, Hack.

Hack Stone

It must have been awkward when the husband of the Mayor of Boston asked what he should wear to the party, and she told him “No crackers allowed.”

Commissar

FBI search warrants include policy limits on the use of force. Specifically when it may be used if necessary.

There is always the authorization of use of force in executing a search warrant. Even if the language is not included in the warrant.

The FBI just included their policy language in their warrants as standard practice.

Additionally, there is always the authorization for law enforcement to use deadly force in the conduct of their duties. Including and especially during the execution of warrants.

There was nothing special about this warrant, except the address, and there no expansion on the authorization for the use of force nor removal of any policy LIMITS on deadly force.

At what point do you propaganda suckling and regurgitating clowns realize you are fools and tools?

Hack Stone

Thanks for showing up and sharing your opinion. So can we can take it that when law enforcement conducts a raid on the wrong location and ended up killing someone who was not the target of the raid, like the Air Force member two weeks ago, you find that acceptable?

It is intuitively obvious to even the most casual of observers that Joe Biden’s Justice Department seems to go full attack mode when it comes to taking into custody anyone who opposes their policies, whether it is a Pro Life demonstrator, a “January 6” protester, or a Republican politician who poses zero threat. Yet, the FBI cannot seem interested in investigating attacks on churches and Pro Life centers, and the Justice Department has taken zero action on the Pro Hamas demonstrators who are preventing Jewish students from accessing facilities on universities that they are paying to attend. You would think that would fall under Civil Rights violations, but not in Joe Biden’s America.

rgr769

You mean like when they met Peter Navarro at the airport and handcuffed and leg shackled him like he was Hannibal Lecter.

SFC D

Again, you were doing great, and then you added that last line. You’re in dire need of some self-examination, a close look at what you write, a healthy dose of self-awareness. You are the creature you consistently bitch about. Your projection game is strong. Now go to your room, you’re in timeout. Think about what I’ve said, reflect on it. When you’re done, maybe you can join the adults in the room. You may go now.

rgr769

A waste of words on someone who is no into self-help or introspection.

5JC

Nothing special about serving a warrant on a person who is surrounded and protected by heavily armed federal agents who have a liberal use of force policy in protecting their asset?

Nothing special about hiding their identity and badges? Is it not standard practice during a raid for federal agents to be in clearly marked uniforms with badges displayed in order to prevent the homeowner from believing that he is being targeted by a crime?

I’m no expert, but it is what it says in their policy.

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Anonymous

Is always self-defense (of revolution, of course) when state uses force, comrade!
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Blaster

“The FBI just included their policy language in their warrants as standard practice.”

So, they just needed to “include” it this time????

Being served on the recently, former POTUS and protected by SS agents???

Commissar

It also should be remembered, that the classified information that was STOLEN and Trump REFUSED to return, and tried to HIDE, and OBSTRUCTED efforts to recover…is levels of classification that have blanket authorization to use deadly force to protect.

The language explicitly saying that is on the entrance of every Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.

Forest Bondurant

Like the SCIF where Biden parks his Corvette?

SFC D

And Hillary’s bathroom.

5JC

They’re never was a good explanation as to why she had a urinal in there….

SFC D

It was in case Michelle Obama dropped by.

Blaster

It was for when the Obama’s visited

AW1Ed

Jane Fonda picture frame?

rgr769

Where her Guatemalan maid prints the classified docs in her insecure email so Hillary can read them at home instead of in a SCIF,

Commissar

That was not a SCIF.

SFC D

Yet it contained documents that never should’ve left a SCIF… hand carried there by Joe Biden. And you seem to be okay with that. Hypocrisy and fraud, all rolled into one Commissar.

rgr769

Wow, you are quite perceptive for a former MI officer.

Hack Stone

Exactly. But she had classified material there. And she intentionally bypassed established classified material handling policies and federal record keeping policies. But no reasonable (Democrat) Prosecutor would pursue charges. Just like with the Joe Biden “investigation”, he committed the crime of mishandling classified information, but he does not have the mental faculties to stand trial, but is more than qualified to be President. Being There 2024, should make great movie.

Anonymous

Archives sent it to Mar Lago so the FBI would have something to raid.

26Limabeans

There was a sign on the gate of the HF comms facility where I
spent some time in Europe.

“Clear all weapons no picture taking”

You would think that would be enough of a warning.
I have a photo of the sign somewhere.

Commissar

An HF comms facility is NOT an SCI Facility.

You are comparing apples and potatoes.

A Proud Infidel®™

Donald Trump had those documents stored in a VAULT to which he had more locks added to compared to Biden leaving it in a garage, and how about the massive amount of Classified Documents B. Hussein 0bama, your idol, ran off with when he left Office?

Hack Stone

Yes, we vividly recall that sign being prominently posted on the door of Hillary Clinton’s linen closet.

Anonymous

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Sapper3307

#MOHAP

SFC D

Great comment. Now do Hillary and Joe. Take your time, I’ll wait. You’re a joke.

SgtM

That “stolen” information was so critical to the U.S. that they took pictures of it and put it on the internet. Yeah keep protecting these clowns.

Jimbo

And the FBI added their own classification holders on the documents displayed.

SFC D

Were there any documents displayed? Or just cover sheets? 99% of Americans wouldn’t know.

Jimbo

??? And I don’t know either, but I gotta call them something.

SFC D

For all we know, the FBI just tossed a handful of assorted cover sheets on the floor, took pictures, and said “Looky here”! Commissar and his merry band of idiots went “fapfapfap”.

Jimbo

it was displayed for the media for sure. And as it turns out the case against Trump is on hold for some fishy business concerning the display put on for the media. The weasel jack smith couldn’t explain which items were actually classified or what that FBI just slapped labels on without verification of its classification. In others words the FBI just made shit up and hoped it would stick. The Judge saw through this bs. Now we’re waiting on SCOTUS to decide how much immunity Trump should have. He should have 100% immunity and only be subject to impeachment for any crimes committed. IMO.

Odie

They’re 0 for 3 on the impeachment angle.

Sapper3307

Plan B?

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Forest Bondurant

Not just that. She also had her team destroy documents and had her staff destroy their government issued cell phones.

5JC

Were the stolen documents the ones the archive sent to him or were they the ones he legally took from the White House under the presidential records Act? Because right now the federal prosecutor has no idea which is which. Nor does he really know what any of the classified levels of the documents actually are, at least that is what he said in court, under oath

Also, help me out here, My copy of the federal code Title 10, Use of Deadly Force, does not include an authorization to use deadly force because someone took classified information of any level. Perhaps I’m looking in the wrong spot. If you could point it out to me I would be much appreciative, thanks, I’ll be waiting for a reply.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-10/chapter-X/part-1047/subject-group-ECFR3fcdeefb61f1e51/section-1047.7

Jimbo

That’s a bunch of hogwash. I kept codes and only saw warnings about keeping it secure. Listed some penalties for breaking the rules. The only thing requiring deadly force was called “Two Officer Policy Materials” Launch Codes.

SFC D

Didn’t you know? The launch codes were in Trump’s closet. I’ve said too much. There’s somebody at the door, brb…

Odie

😆

Commissar

He doesn’t know what he it talking about.

SFC D

And you do? Strike two, caught the corner.

Commissar

Yes, I do.

I worked in SCIFs for years, I was a security manager for a SCIF, I was armed while being a courier for SCI. I held a counterintelligence MOS. I helped set up and certify SCIFs. I carried a magazine of live rounds even in training areas like JRTC to protect equipment used for the collection and processing SCI.

And I passed use of deadly force authorized signs as I entered SCIFs hundreds if not more than a 1000 times.

Hack Stone

You held a security clearance? We are impressed. Now, everyone who currently or has in the past been granted a TS/SCI clearance, raise your hand, and if you also had a polygraph exam, you get a bonus copy of Ted Hat Software.

👍

SFC D

🤚

5JC

You can send my free software to Hillary Clinton so she can use it to make her household classified server more secure.

Hack Stone

Ted Hat Software is the Chinese knockoff of Red Hat Software.

Hack Stone Publishing has no regerts. 🥴

Jimbo

I carried a weapon everyday too. With a live round in the chamber. Why would you carry an empty gun? All security people had loaded weapons, It wasn’t a special thing.

SgtM

I carried a shotgun with live rounds at lejune when they used to come and cash our paychecks on site. SUPRISE your not special.

Commissar

Bullshit!

“Deadly force authorized” is on a sign on every SCIF.

And “codes” come with different handling instructions based on the information it is designed to encrypt.

Sensitive Compartmented Information is protected by deadly force.

I know this for a fact because I was part of temporary SCiF certifications multiple times.

I worked in SCIFs for years.

You experience with “codes” was clearly not involving “codes” intended to protect Special Access Program protected information.

SFC D

“Deadly force authorized” is on a sign on every SCIF.“

Nope. I was in three today, not stated on a single one. Swing and a miss, strike one.

Commissar

Bullshit. And you were not in three today. Most bases only have one.

5JC

How does that saying go?

“It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you? That is rhetorical in case you were wondering.

SFC D

Au Contraire, Commissar. You couldn’t even get into the parking lot at the places I work. Your past life and experiences are exactly that. The past. Face it. Your best days are far astern and your future is murky. You know nothing of current military bases or operations. You’re a stooge of the left. A useful tool.

Hack Stone

His future is so bright, he’s gotta wear shades. The same shades Joe Biden wears as he drives his vintage Corvette (vroom, vroom) to his next speech as he tells how Uncle Bosey was eaten by Corn Pop.

5JC

At the NAAC Meeting. Where he talked to the Afrin- A- AAmericans about saving every family $800,000 a year in medical bills, and the irrectionists that will “bloodshed If Trump wins. Oh how he loves Unions more than Trump because Trump went to a yon- nonunion shop to show his disrespect for union workers.

His words, not mine.

Blaster

He didn’t say that he was on a “base”!

Hack Stone

Who said that he was on most bases? Hack Stone worked in a SCIF on Quantico, and on occasion would go to a meeting in a SCIF at DIA on what is now known as Joint Base Anacostia Bolling. Just in Norther Virginia alone there are multiple SCIFs on Quantico, Fort Belvoir, The Pentagon, and the NGA Headquarters. DISA Headquarters used to be in Arlington and they had a SCIF, now they are located on Fort Meade, which also has a separate SCIF for NSA. And let’s not forget the SCIFs located at the Headquarters of DHS, FBI, and DoE. But thanks for playing, you’ll be going home with some consolation prizes, a year’s supply of Turtle Wax and Rice-A-Roni, the San Francisco treat.

RGR 4-78

You forgot the year’s supply of “I can’t believe it’s not KY” that he will blow through in 3 months.

Anonymous

Day job, you know…

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Forest Bondurant

Wow! You’re omniscient too?!

Impressive how you know the exact physical layout of where SFC D works as well as his whereabouts.

What am I thinking about right now?

Jimbo

I worked with codes everyday too. But they do post this sign now days. Do you practice OpSec? Why not tell us some secrets as proof. Your such a dumb ass.

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5JC

Not always or even most of the time, you are missing a key ingredient. Hint: It has nothing to do with classified information.

Jimbo

Im sure things have changed in the past 50 years, since I worked with codes. But I did OpSec training more recently due to some volunteer work. So it will take more than a hint for me to understand your message.

5JC

Those signs are all over military bases. Military Commanders can authorize the use of force for the protection of military bases and certain areas or even the whole thing (Groom Lake has these signs everywhere). This has nothing to do with Federal Law and short of Trump breaking into a SCIF and trying to make off with the nuclear launch codes it wouldn’t apply to him.

If Major Moonbat had even an inkling of a clue he could have looked it up himself. The fact that he thought that it even could have applied in this case is not only ridiculous on the face of it, it is also par for the course for his stupidity and misunderstanding of everything in his life and explains a lot about why he was a failure at pretty much everything.

https://irp.fas.org/doddir/dod/d5210_56.pdf

5JC

Still waiting on the Federal Code that authorizes deadly force to prevent the theft of classified information. If you could simply post that and it contradicts the one I already posted then I shall say that I am wrong. I expect no such response from you.

If you wait long enough they might write one, but I can assure you that no such regulation currently exists.

I’ll warm you up though, this the entrance to the Congressional SCIF. It seems to be missing something that you mentioned earlier.

https://www.wnct.com/news/politics/ap-not-mar-a-lago-congress-secrets-in-sealed-rooms-lock-bags/

Commissar

Since it is not lawful to photograph the entrance to a SCIF I found it hard to find images of the sign.

I did find the use of force SOP weapons brief for Twentynine Palms

Note Part C para 3c

“ c. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the actual theft or sabotage of properly designated assets vital to
national security. We have one Level 3 restricted area aboard MCAGCC. This area is the Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility
located in the 7th Marines Regiment Building 1538. Deadly force is authorized in this area to prevent the theft or removal of classified information.”

https://www.29palms.marines.mil/Portals/56/Docs/Adjutant/Forms/Form_1601_6.pdf?ver=2019-04-25-105121-780#:~:text=This%20area%20is%20the%20Sensitive,or%20removal%20of%20classified%20information.

5JC

Dude, that is a military form. It has nothing to do with Federal Law covering the retention of classified information.

I’ll say it again, you really aren’t in it for the hunting.

Jimbo

That document your reading from is classified, FOBO. You’re your in trouble and in big dodo now. And that was part of 207-16?

5JC

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Federal Law. Which makes you a big stupid head.

Hack Stone

I wish someone used deadly force to prevent me from getting on to 29 Stumps. Went to three separate Communication schools between 1981 and 1995, and every time the permanent personnel at MCCES fucked with me. They treat every student like shit, regardless of how long they have been in or their rank.

Commissar

Since taking a picture of the entrance to a SCIF is illegal I could not find an example of one of the signs online.

In fact there are essentially now pictures of any active SCIFS…just a picture of a door to a wing of a building that has a SCIF in it.

However, the sign on all SCIFs is nearly identical to the “use of deadly force authorized” sign on the perimeter of Area 51.

The SCIF facility sign identifies an additional federal statute or instruction that is not on the Area 51 sign.

But the signs are almost identical.

Just Google “Restricted Area sign, Area 51” and look at images. Ignore the tourist gift shop signs. Look for an image one on the perimeter fence.

Jimbo

That sign I posted is from an LCF. Not Area 51.

5JC

That is because they are military signs dumbass. They have absolutely nothing to with Federal Law and don’t apply to the actual retention of Classified Material.

You would probably be “That guy” that cooked off a desk pop because someone was leaving without signing the proper block.

Forest Bondurant

Here’s an image of a warning painted on the restricted flight line where B-52s on Barksdale AFB are parked.

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Sapper3307

The RED LINE of death, good times.

Odie

What they are most concerned about can be tied into that one little phrase Trump uttered… We got them, We got them all. They don’t give the first, second or third shit about the (de)classified docs he has. They want that list of names and crimes Trump says he has. They are most concerned that if the public found out who, and for how long they have been screwing us, there wont be anyplace to hide.

5JC

They sure as hell didn’t care about anyone else screwing up classified information.

Odie

Agreed.

Skivvy Stacker

The documents were not stolen. They were removed from the White House in the same manner as documents of the same type have been removed from the White House by Presidents such as Clinton, Obama, Bush [H. W. and W., Reagan, Ford, Carter, Johnson, Eisenhower, Truman…..
There is nothing new under the sun in the removal of documents of this type from the WH.
The thing that must be kept in mind is that the POTUS is not an individual, but under the Constitution he IS the Executive Branch of the Government. He is, in fact, the only individual that holds that kind of power.
As such, he has the power to DE-classify any document he desires, regardless of it’s merit of being declassified.
This leaves us with a question…
Which of the document at Mara-Lago had already been DECLASSIFIED by President Trump? And if those files had already been declassified, how could they be considered as documents “important to national security” and in need of immediate seizure by the government?
And, since Trump had been working with the National Archives to repatriate these documents, and had been working with the Government to return these documents, why did the DOJ need to conduct a raid?
Commissar, what I’m stating is not only historically true, but LEGALLY true according to the facts of this case.
Whatever information you have is either strongly biased in favor of the left, and an anti-Trump agenda, or badly sourced as far as the law is concerned.
I am still at a loss to understand why you seem to have to resort to insults and degrading comments to respond to such as what I’ve said, and would very much appreciate if you would NOT respond in that way to me….PLEASE!
I don’t like being yelled at

David

My suspicion was that there was a disconnect between someone saying “keep this low profile so it doesn’t look like Elian Gonzalez” and the partisan tool who tipped off the press. Or, the partisan tool wanted deniability so they could innocently bat their eyelashes and say “well, we TRIED to stay low-profile but…”.

5JC

The larger part of me wants to believe that. But then we have the last 8 years to look at. Democrats have shown zero restraint in murdering people to get what they want.

This is why I believe that even if Trump is reelected he won’t serve a single day because he’ll be dead. The problem the left has is how to get away with it. They get caught murdering a president or a president-elect directly it’ll be back like it was during reconstruction and they’ll be without power. It won’t matter if 100% of the media supports them.

It’s been a long time since Kennedy but the CIA got away with it last time and if they think they can get away with it again they’ll do it. Not directly of course, but indirectly Just like last time.

Jimbo

Dems are Possibly looking at getting Trump in Jail, and well we all know how it went for Epstein. If it appeared suicidal ?

HT3

Low profile? Like when 20 agents swarmed old man Roger Stone in his bathrobe at dawn and a CNN news crew just happened to be on scene. That’s what is called a Show of Force/Shock and Awe. A shot across the bow of anyone that may not cooperate.

STSC(SW/SS)

Was the FBI authorized to use deadly force when they gently retrieved boxes from Biden’s garage and Penn U.

Ah, No.

Jimbo

It was stacked by the garbage cans. Good thing the FBI got to the records before the sanitation engineers on collection day. FJB didn’t even try to secure his docs.

Forest Bondurant

They didn’t consider using deadly force because the DOJ gave Biden advanced notice of when the search would be conducted – similar to how Hunter Biden also received advanced warning of the IRS probe.

Commissar

They gave Trump almost a year to return the documents…and Trump knew they intended to come collect them. Which is why he had moved them in an effort to hide them, not expecting such an expansive search of his properties.

SFC D

And you know this… how? You’re not the Amazing Kreskin. Strike three, you’re out, and that’s the end of the game.

Jimbo

Trump did not hide them. He even told them that if there was anything else needed to just let him know. Instead they came back with a warrant. Only to find the documents consolidated and stored as they requested.

SkivMarine

And…the same can be said about similar documents taken from the White House by other Presidents.
The thing is, the President can remove documents from the White House because he has the power to declassify any document he wishes. Under the Constitution the President IS the Executive Branch of the Government [and thus the only individual in the three headed Government that is so empowered].
The President is, as such, the only person who can, under the law, and Constitutional authority, remove documents from the White House without fear of legal sanction.
Trump did NOT break any official/federal law, he did not endanger National Security, he did not violate the Espionage Act of 1917 [which was put in place by Woodrow Wilson to quiet his political opponents over U.S. involvement in what would become known as “World War One”.
Prior to the raid on his PRIVATE property by an over reaching government agency, Mr Trump had been working to repatriate these documents to the National Archives. The National Archives have actually made statements confirming this.
None of the documents was ever offered for sale to a foreign government, none of the documents was released to the public, all were kept in a secure location not open to the public (unlike the Biden documents that could have been accessed by any common burglar).
The other little problem you keep failing to mention is the fact that, as Vice-President, Biden didn’t have the clearance or authorization to remove ANY documents from the White House…so, my question is; who is the bigger Hairball?
I’d say Biden. And he’s the nosebleed I’d bust before anyone else.

Odie

Ruby ridge and Waco set the precedent.

Forest Bondurant

(Vicki and Sammy Weaver, and Ted Deschler all unavailable for comment.)

Commissar

If they needed a search warrant to recover that information than the warrant has identical or near identical information regarding the use of force.

It is standard FBI practice to put use of force policies on their warrants.

It is not practice in all department or jurisdictions, though some judges require a use of force statement before signing a warrant.

SFC D

Yeahhhhh and how’s that case going? FBI has a bit of an issue with chain of custody. I’m sure Adam Schiff will come through with blockbuster evidence. Just like the whole “Russian Collusion” lie.

5JC

I’m sure you know best.

HAHAHAHA, just fucking with you. Here are several actual famous FBI search warrants. I’ll skip the suspense and let you know what isn’t in there. If anyone guessed “Use of Force”, Commissar has generously agreed to wash their dishes for a week. They might not get clean but he will wear a French Maid’s outfit while doing it.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4426181-Minneapolis-FBI-Agent-Search-Warrant-Application

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/about-us/history/famous-cases/anthrax-amerithrax/08-431SWAffidavit.pdf

https://vault.fbi.gov/october-2016-application-affidavit-and-search-warrant-related-to-email-server-investigation/October%202016%20Application%20Affidavit%20and%20Search%20Warrant%20Related%20to%20Email%20Server%20Investigation%20Part%2001%20of%2001/view

SFC D

Excellent analysis and info here:

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/05/22/julie-kelly-calls-bs-on-fbis-statement-after-new-mar-a-lago-raid-details-emerged-n2396487

Yes Commissar, I know you’ll say it’s from a conservative “Trump-cult” organization. I also know what you say is 99% liberal-cult propaganda. In other words, fraudulent.

Green Thumb

Someone should ask Elian Gonzalez.

On anther note, it would have been a crazy shoot out if the Secret Service was there.

Odie

If only we treated the border jumpers in the same way we treated Elian Gonzalez.

Charles

Do you see what was wrong with the dismissal of the language of the search warrant? To quote the Commissar:

Because there isn’t. This is standard use of force language on FBI warrants.

There is always authorization for the use of force in executing warrants, even if the language is not on the warrant. The FBI just includes their policy on the use of force in their warrants. Not all departments do, but all departments authorize the use of force in executing warrants.

And armed law enforcement have authorization to use deadly force WHEN NECESSARY in the conduct of their duties.

Of course any local, state, or federal law enforcement officer has the authority, the right, if not the duty to use deadly force in self defense. That is so obvious as to not need even be stated. (Does the FBI include language “You will not drop your dick in the dirt and step on it” in their instructions? hmmmm, maybe they should).

This was a search warrant to be conducted on the private residence and place of business of the former — AND WELL MAY BE THE FUTURE — President of the United States.

This was NOT a “routine search warrant” and should not have been treated as such.

But, if this was a political hit job …

well, try and smear the subject as much as possible. Perhaps by bringing along TS/SCI cover sheets to place on [something/ anything] and take photographs of it for the press.
Yeah, that’s what we do during the execution routine search warrants.

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5JC

That is the MSM line, yes. But as noted on several Search Warrants I posted this simply isn’t the case. I’m sure some political appointee had the wet dream proning out Trump but it didn’t quite go that way.

NHSparky

Again, if they’re willing to do that to a former president, imagine what they’ll do to you.

Actually, we don’t have to imagine. Plenty of examples in recent history.

Fyrfighter

As President Trump often points out, he’s not the target, he’s just in the way…