Army seeking panelists with keen eye for the obvious
The Washington Post reports this morning that the Army is forming a panel of experts to investigate Nidal Hasan’s career and to recommend ways to avoid the massacre at Fort Hood getting a repeat performance;
“Casey is looking at a panel that will look longitudinally across Hasan’s entire career to figure out how did this happen and what can we do to stop it from happening again,” said the Army official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the announcement of such a group remains pending.
Now, I’m not privy to any special information, but I’m pretty sure there are some missed signs here (unless emailing radical imams with the full knowledge of the FBI has a meaning I don’t understand) and I’m pretty sure that it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to point out how the Army, and the Feds in general, could have avoided the 13 counts of premeditated murder.
The Dallas Morning News reports that Hasan had approached his superiors about prosecuting some of his patients for war crimes;
Fort Hood massacre suspect Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan sought to have some of his patients prosecuted for war crimes based on statements they made during psychiatric sessions with him, a captain who served on the base said Monday.
I’m torn on that – while I agree that war crimes should be prosecuted, it’s disturbing that Hasan was willing to surrender his patients’ rights to do so. That will probably prevent a lot of patients from being honest with their counselors. The Dallas paper uses it as a excuse to be lenient with the thirteen-time murderer;
The revelations add to a portrait of Hasan as a man at odds with many of those around him — emotionally, religiously and ideologically.
I still stick to my original theory that Hasan was a malingerer who’ll use religion and PTSD as an excuse in his trial. I just know a malingerer when I see one.
Claymore sent us a link to a Democratic Underground thread in which the DUmmies are more than willing to take away returning veterans’ guns until they prove themselves worthy of owning a gun. Of course, the strongest proponents of relieving veterans of their rights claim to be veterans themselves.
Category: General Whackos, Gun Grabbing Fascists, Military issues
Hasan then, breached patient/doctor confidentiality. Period. And for that alone, his patients should have called him out but were probably afraid to.
Fuck. When are these idiots at the top going to admit the obvious? The investigations by the Army at this point are to cover their sorry assses. They have probably conveniently misplaced any previous complaints.
Anyone out there reading this, if you complained about this terrorist, I hope you MFR’ed it. If not, find someone who believes this guy was first, last and always a Muslim and bend the shit out of his ear and gt it on record…paper, voice, video.
The DUmmies of course overlook the obvious. Hasan was not a returning vet. He had never been deployed and I think the whole PTSD by osmosis defense is about as lame as it gets.
Okay ready for the sick thought of the day. I just got an image of Hasan in the courtroom and the baliff says all rise and here comes Joe Biden out of the wings saying “What was I thinking Chuck.”
“The revelations add to a portrait of Hasan as a man at odds with many of those around him — emotionally, religiously and ideologically”.
Well, holy s**t, Batman, Charles Manson was “at odds with many of those around him”. So what? Hasan’s a murdering POS, hopefully he’ll get his guaranteed right to a speedy trial and execution. Then he can meet his 72 Virginians. I’m not holding out a lot of hope that’ll happen, but, I can dream.
He may nothave breached confidentiality if he never stated which patients or what war crimes. That would then make me wonder what exactly he considers a war crime. He believed the wars to be illegal, therefore any trigger puller could have been a criminal in his eyes.
Let’s get back to the focus, since the Dallas paper wants to deflect and re-direct (in classic Alinsky fashion). The sonofabitch had been spouting his jihad rhetoric since before he saw any of these patients. So, that he wants to claim that some of them should be tried for war crimes; I wonder how much of that was based on his personal biases?
I had a good freind who had a mental break down and eventually got kicked out of the Army…He swore up and down that he would never go see a shrink because it would kill his chances of ever living a normal life.
I think he might have been right.
I don’t cannot begin to think about how many soldiers could realy use some good mental health to deal with what they experienced.
In earlier wars soldiers didn’t seek help because they knew that it would be seen as a charector flaw that would ruin their career, now soldiers won’t seek help for fear of prosecution unless DoD comes out hard against doctors who feel it is their job to police the battle field.
Their is a good reason why old war dogs say war is hell and in the same breath repeat the montra of better to be judged by twelve than caried by six.
I am not as worried that our military is stretched too thin as I am worried that the powers that be are asking too much of the individual soldier and not offering enough in return.
How about this guy:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7842097@N04/3332200267/
Convenient how he was able to hold out against all the terrible war stories from returning vets just long enough to finish his internship and residency. It’s all fun and free college for 10 years until you have to go to war to earn it.
Me thinks Mr Hasan’s definition of a war crime and mine might be a tad different. There is the bigger issue however regarding what kind of treatment he was giving his patients. From what little bit I have been able to glean from his time at WRMC it seems that his peers and superiors recognized that he had a problem and maybe saw to it that he had limited contact with patients. They of course are now in full blown CYA mode so I don’t know which way that part of the investigation will go or who is going to be left holding the smelly diaper.
Joe: Agreed
In federal civilian trials, the U.S. Government does not recognize a “doctor-patient” privilege. In the military, however, there is a Psychotherapist Patient Privilege, Military Rule of Evidence (MRE) 513. The President signed MRE 513 on 7 October 1999. MRE 513 offers a limited privilege for communications to psychotherapists and counselors. There are some limitations to the privilege:
Only applies to actions arising under the UCMJ.
Not a broader doctor patient privilege.
The privilege belongs to the patient, not the doctor, psychotherapist, or counselor. Only the patient may waive the privilege.
Even assuming that Major Jihadi here did not name the patients who supposedly “confessed” to war crimes, the fact that he even alluded to them was a violation of the patients’ rights to confidentiality. When he went trotting off the Staff Judge Advocate’s Office to press for prosecutions, military authorities should have immediately notified the appropriate medical certification authorities to have his medical license suspended and/or revoked. That might have triggered sufficient scrutiny to pull this jackass aside before he could commit mass murder and woundings.
agree with Old Tanker that
who knows what he considered a war crime.
“Casey is looking at a panel that will look longitudinally across Hasan’s entire career to figure out how did this happen and what can we do to stop it from happening again,” said the Army official.
Casey is more concerned with diversity and created a command atmosphere that made peers and superiors alike afraid to say anything for fear of blowback and career mortality.
Now, send ME the check.
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What about general discussions amongst colleagues? I would imagine that it has and does regularly happen that one Doctor would speak to another regarding a patient he’s not reaching to try to get different ideas about treatment. I certainly wouldn’t want that type of conversation curtailed.
Where does one sign up to be on that panel? My business partner has excellent credentials for this type of thing and could add some common sense.
I almost puked when his mouthpiece went on state-run media and said, “His wounds have paralized him and he’ll never walk again.” Too friggin bad……… I wish he’d never be able to take another breath!!!
Old Tanker (#14),
When one psychiatrist (psychotherapist, etc.) consults with another, the person being consulted becomes, for all intents and purposes, an agent of the doctor who sought the consultation. The agent is bound by the same standards of patient confidentiality as the primary care-provider. The agent cannot waive the patient’s privilege any more than the primary care-provider.
In federal criminal cases, the primary care-provider can divulge certain things to the defendant/patient’s legal team because the patient has either granted a limited waiver of privilege, or because the patient is legally incompetent to make a waiver. This process, however, does not grant a waiver to the prosecution.
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Thanks for the info. I sure would hate to see a pendulum swing that makes Therapists hesitate to ask colleagues for assistance in treating a patient…..
The DUmmies who are part of the gun grabbing crowd crack me up… It seems they’ve never heard of hobby gunsmithing, I’m getting a lathe next spring!
Anyone who has an end cap, nail, dowel, piece of cardboard, a 1in pipe & a 3/4 in pipe and a hacksaw & file has a “slam-bang” shotgun in 45 minutes if they are dragging ass.
You can have no guns at all & if you posses fun books like “The Poor Man’s James Bond”, you can have an arsenal sufficient to start your own insurgency, provided you have some shop tools & time.