Friday FGS
Vicious alligator attacks dog in backyard, Florida homeowner shoots reptile
’20 seconds later, probably would’ve had a dead dog,’ homeowner said
Pilar AriasBy Pilar Arias | Fox News
A Florida homeowner who asked not to be identified shot an alligator attacking his dog in his backyard.The man, who lives in Deltona, said he let his dog Winston outside. He noticed the dog sniffing around, so he told FOX 35 Orlando he wanted to see what Winston was interested in.
The man spotted the alligator at the same time the reptile spotted his dog. The nearly 8-foot-long gator and homeowner lunged forward at the same time.
“The gator got Winston, chomping down on the side of his head, and the homeowner shot the gator four times in the skull while it still had Winston between its teeth,” FOX 35 reports.
“I don’t even think there was a thought,” the homeowner said. “I think it was – my heart just dropped, and I was like, ‘Okay, I have to go do something.’ So, I mean, you just spring into action and do what you have to do to save your dog.
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Good Dad! T-bones and, never mind. Winston is doing fine after the trauma. The gator not so much.
Utah man shot several times by police during traffic stop after officers allegedly see gun: video
Chase Allan died after being shot several times by police
By Adam Sabes | Fox News
A recent college graduate in Utah was shot several times by police during a traffic stop in early March after officers allegedly saw him reaching for a gun, body camera video shows.Farmington, Utah, police department officers stopped 25-year-old Chase Allan after seeing an illegitimate license plate on the BMW car he was driving at 3:22 p.m. on March 1. Police Chief Eric Johnsen released body camera video relating to the incident on Wednesday.
When the police officer told Allan that he was being stopped because there was no registration on the car, Allan said, “I don’t need registration and I don’t answer questions.” The officer requested backup, and four other officers arrived at the scene.
The officer continued to ask for identification, and Allan, after multiple refusals, provided a passport.
“If you want my identification, you will be under duress, and you accept surety and trusteeship over it, and you will be responsible for any debts that you are trying to incur here,” Allan told the officer.
“You are not allowed to stop me,” Allan said before handing over his passport.
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Don’t miss the video. Mr. Allen bought off on the Sovreign Citizen BS he heard about in the Halls of Academia. What sounds cool among like-minded airheads in their safe space doesn’t play well in the reals.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Benjamin Franklin
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Eh, good on the Farmington PD. Mr. Allen was dispatched to the land of ‘good’ sovereign citizens. Had my fill of those types during my 20 years in the OCSO S-2 squad. One of my mutts is still in federal custody cuz he was magnitudes beyond stoopid.
I saw the video the other day and I’d say there were opportunities to deescalate that situation but instead the officer kept climbing. I don’t know if it would have changed the outcome any, like most SCs he was a bit of a nutter and kept spouting nonsensical legalize. But they went from phony license plate to raining lead in about three minutes.
I typically treat SCs as mentally ill as they have an infirm grasp of reality. They can still be quite dangerous but if you take your time and try to work through their head they can sometimes be reasoned with which is a better result IMO.
I am curious… Have you ever worked within the SC movement as an undercover? I did for 18 months in 1994/95. I can assure that with a notable few [I can count on one hand], that they are not mentally ill. When you are out doing range time with one and he states that his fondest dream is putting 2 rounds to the chest of any cop, especially a fed, from 500+ yards and before the cop even hears the shot, you tend to hope that your backstop story is solid. Same with sitting in one of their ‘Constitutional Law’ meetings and the spokesperson announces that he believes one of the members in the group is a spy or cop and that if they id that person, they are going to take him/her out and hang them. Other members within this group, especially the aforementioned ‘still incarcerated’ guy issued ‘arrest warrants’ for my sheriff and other elected officials and the charge was “Treason”. Their rational was, “…since we have no lockup facilities, the best we can do is immediately hang them.” The SC type comes in all flavors and colors these days. Many of them are already prison parolees and they learned the SC line from other inmates. Unless I was able to convince any of the ones I interacted with that I was a solid ‘like thinking brother, they were not open to reason about their interpretation of the law and the Constitution. Oh, the group that wanted to hang my sheriff was also convicted of tampering with the federal grand jury after they were arrested. Just some of my experiences with them. If you like, look up Florida Statute F.S.S. 817.535. My S-2 Lt and I crafted this law and got it passed in 2012 to dissuade the SC’s continual abuse.
They are organized? Does that mean we again face
The SovIdiot Union
‘Organized’?? Hard to say about that. It likely depends upon the region and history of them. Many of the Nation of Islam members now espouse the ‘SC’ line… NoI is rather organized as such although likely not all of them run down the SC rhetoric line. It depends on who their group leaders are and how committed to the belief their member may be. Some believe that simply parroting the SC line during a police interaction will get them by and if it doesn’t then some of them become less enthused by it. Others, like my previously mentioned ‘still in BoP guy’ amplify their rhetoric [which he is still in BoP]… Organized? Circumstances and individuals determine the level that they strive for. If you remember the ‘Preparedness Expos” from the mid 90’s, there was a lot of SC organization within the expos… Not saying that the expos were solid SC, but the expos provided a platform for many of them to espouse their beliefs. As for me, I consider any encounter with one as potentially deadly unless proven otherwise.. My first exposure to the SC movement was via Linda Lyon Block & her paramour George Sibley. Google them.
It is my unending regret that I could not track them down fast enough before they entered Opelika, AL I made a trip to their PD and offered my most profound tearful apology re their officers death.
Was looking for a humorous quip on folks who seemd disorganized nutters. But some quick research shows that like other nuts, they wind up with packs of like-minded.
Oddly, now have to re -evaluate some recent encounters. Some of the online info clicked as familiar. Definitely want nothing to do with this stuff.
Wise you have become Grasshopper 😉
I still have Linda’s hand written appeal and demand for habeas corpus relief. She was very articulate.
Sovereign citizens by definition are sovereign I guess they could make some kind of a trade pact or a treaty with another sovereign citizen?
And yet law enforcement has encounters every single day with sovereign citizens that don’t resolve with over a hundred rounds fired. Every once in a while they do but not very often.
They tend to reach a different conclusion about what reality is than the rest of us have, that is why I classify them as mentally ill. It would be no different than if you believed that everybody else were space aliens. This leads them to make poor life choices and put themselves in danger when they don’t need to be. Like a paranoid schizophrenic or somebody delusional you cannot convince them that they’re delusions are not real. I don’t think that you can argue that somebody’s fondest desire to murder another human being is anything other than sociopathic.
If you don’t see the comparison I don’t really know what to tell you.
I concur with your point of some of them being sociopathic, re the desire to murder leo’s and elected officials [google Lynda Lyon Block and George Sibley-my initiation to the SC movement]. I would rather classify many of them as mentally misaligned rather than ill. ‘Illness” may be treatable. Like I say, unless you have been embedded U/C with them-I don’t know what to tell you either. BTW, one of the most charismatic early leaders of the SC movement was LtCol. ‘Bo’ Gritz USA-SF 😉
Another matter to ponder is how well versed/trained were the FPD officers in interacting with any SC individual??? Post Block/Sibley, I made a hard effort to ensure my agency and surrounding agency le’s recognized and were able to effectively interact with these types. From the mid 90’s to when I retired in 13, central Fl had many, many encounters with them and no one died on either side. Won’t say a couple of encounters might have gone ‘south’ but thankfully none did.
I do advise folks it is better to argue before 12 than be carried uncomplaining by 6.Thus don’t invite LEOs to gunfights. It is generally a losing proposition.
But some folks just seem hard-wired for FAFO.
Best advice on the market there. I have listened to many of the specious arguments ‘before 12’ and found theirs to be rather entertaining. For the most part the judges were NOT amused by them though. I say most because a certain lady judge in the 9th circuit was so baffled by the BS that she didn’t know what to do so she let one go.
You used the word ‘organized’. That brings back memories of the first court appearance, by 3 cohorts of Block/Sibley, in Orlando. My squad [S-2] took the courthouse under surveillance to see who, if any, of their companions might show up and cause trouble as we had gotten a tip that might be the case. The SC types ‘smoked’ us in that they had a well organized counter-surveillance team set up to watch us. This was the embryo stage of our learning curve. Red faced my squad was. I wasn’t spotted as I had been designated as a potential u/c re the issue, but my 3 partners were outed quickly… and they [my guys] knew their business well. During the last meeting where the SC group was planning try and hang the aforementioned folks, we discovered that they were using south Florida militia types to protect the meeting… Camo’ed and ghilled up totally.
I don’t know if Training was an issue or somebody just pissed in his Wheaties that morning, or it was just him. I hear that there are a lot of sovereigns in Utah but I’ve never been to North Utah before.
When I deal with a sovereign normally I just ignore all their Legal b******* find out who they are and do whatever I’m going to do. If he has a better story to tell he could tell it to the judge. If he gave the Leo a valid passport he, he had everything he needed to issue citations. There was some questions on the passport but he didn’t even check. If you gave fake name or ID to the officer that’s another charge. I’m guessing the passport was in his real name and not his “sovereign” name.
Even if there is a video of somebody shooting at a LEO and the LEO shooting back, Things being what they are these days You’re going to get sued no matter what, the DA might charge you, The media will dox you, people will make threats against your family, your kids, your wife, privilege white kids will burn down half the city in your name, etc etc It never ends.
Concur. I would, if working today, be in the category labeled “Dinosaur.” I feel for all those who are faced with the BS that exists in these modern[?] times.
5JC… Are you still seeing the comment thread, because mine no longer shows???
Nevermind, It’s back…
If you are tasked to detain and arrest folks for breaking the law, and said current person is clearly agitated and makes a “draw gun” move, I suspect you too will draw and fire.
Because otherwise you die.
If the opponent is already drawing, you are -way- behind. Reality of this is harsh and fatally pitiless.
Some folks will escalate a cop unless the response is “Nah, move along”. And some even then.
Can’t know ahead of time.
And as to rounds fired, almost anyone with some measure of training in a surprise gunfight tends to run the gun dry, unless they are really slow or the recipient falls flat instantly. Or, they jam their semi by limp wristing it.
Most shot folks don’t stop instantly. They fight, flinch, flail, flee, fall, or WTF. The moving opponent is easily seen as still a threat, even if screaming “OW!”.
I have personally role-played hostiles in over 100 “simmunituons” scenarios in just one weekend. Very, very few of the pro LEOs had rounds left in mag 1 after a shoot. (10 or 6 as supply ran down) One memorable pair of Embassy Marines both ran their -third- mags dry. Apparently I was twitching from hits, so they kept hitting.
Ow.
When LEOs ( or othe pros) inadvertently cross fire each other, the passing bullet noise tends to draw further fire. Was bystander at a distance to one of these. Volume of fire sounded like SMG bursts.
Anyone who has not at least viewed the “use of force” shoot-noshoot training really should. Eye opening just how easy it is for a cop to get killed, or shoot a relatively harmless loon who surprises them after extensive fuckery.
Don’t fight the cops. Fight the lawyers.
Best comment on this thread. Concur. I, too, role played with our SWAT re SC scenarios. They still have not forgiven me for what I did to our hostage negotiators and killing my hostage before they could intervene. They shot me ‘out of spite’ is my belief in the first senario and made me strip down to my tighty whitey’s in the hotel parking lot in the second one.
Must quip
“Amyone else want to negotiate?”
– Corbin Dallas
😂
I had to deal with a few of the idiot SC’s. One of the early ones had a pistol on the seat. He got one warning and fortunately obeyed it. I had a back up, rare in my area, and he was on the other side of the PU. When the idiot started to reach I told him to freeze, then told him to look to his left. I also told him that if he continued to reach for the gun my buddy was going to shoot him full of holes and when he was done I was going to shoot him some more. He decided to play nice. We got the traffic stop done and he left with a handful of citations and an empty gun.
“homeowner who asked not to be identified”
I’ll bet his name is Al.
Perp be like “suitcase”.
This is worth a read:
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry
I find it hard to believe that she believed the media. She never has in the past.
The CMMG “Dissent” line, which are short-action “AR format” pistols lacking a protuding buffer tube, appears to anticipate the next move by ATF.
Having banned the brace-equipped pistol as a short-barreled rifle, they will next ret-con any AR pistol with a rear-protruding buffer as a short barreled rifle.
After that, any AR with a detachable upper will be banned as “easily converted to an SBR”.
They will get around to “Krinkovs” and then other pistols without tubes via other means, probably the “easily converted” route. But their actions on ARs are kinda predictable.
Did Florida man get to keep the gator? It only seems fair.
The gator lost an eye but he was saved. Vice took custody of him and renamed him Elvis. He was then trained to sniff out drugs and be a watch gator. The rest is history. Watch out Cocaine Bear, Meth Gator is on his way!
Yeah…. Uh… No, do that young Padawan, not.
Gator; “Winston tastes good…like a Chocolate Lab should!”
Winston; “Halp me, Hooman, Halp me! Leezaard trying to eat me!” Leezaard mad at Georgia Dawgs that have eaten them up so many times, thinks I’m a dawg.” BANG BANG BANG BANG! Grilled gator tail for supper.
Kid proved Ol’ Ben wrong…not hard at all to stay stoopid.
I think instead of dropping 2 large on that gun pr0n, I believe I’ll just stock up on more mags and freedom seeds for what I gots now.
Best FGS for the Gun Bunny is that escort duty took him to the K Roger store today and the procurement of #s of bacon for $3 ( took 12 #s), grounded sir of loin beef beast for $3.62 # (8 of them), Tennessee grounded porked beast snarsage @ $2.50 #, and an assortment of of pre-packaged deli sliced beast @ 1/2 price. Filling up the freezerator again.
Anybody notice the increase in the number of characters we can use in a comment? Looks like it has gone from 1K to 2K.
I thought “Felon” was a FSU thing, not Gators.
“If you want my identification, you will be under duress, and you accept surety and trusteeship over it, and you will be responsible for any debts that you are trying to incur here,” Allan told the officer.
Spoken like a Summa-cum-loudly graduate of Joe’s Ver-i-good School of Law/Gas Station and Laundry
Welcome to Earth.
License and registration, please.
Ole boy played fuck around and find out.