Iran protests through koolaid goggles
A few hours ago, I mentioned the Code Pink statement made on Friday that Obama was doing the right thing by staying out of the Iranian protests. Of course, the following day Obama reversed course and issued his toughest statement on the situation to date.
That’s the way I’d do it – if Code Pink thought I was right about something, I’d change course, too. But I set out to look at what the far Left is saying about the protests and they all seem to think that President Bush is still pulling the strings.
I also mentioned Paul Craig Roberts’ piece seething with Bush Derangement Syndrome. As evidence that the Iranian protests are a CIA plot, Roberts cites Kenneth Timmerman of the Foundation for Democracy in Iran;
For example, neoconservative Kenneth Timmerman wrote the day before the election that “there’s talk of a ‘green revolution’ in Tehran.” How would Timmerman know that unless it was an orchestrated plan? Why would there be a ‘green revolution’ prepared prior to the vote, especially if Mousavi and his supporters were as confident of victory as they claim?
What Timmerman actually wrote on June 11th was;
As we’ve been saying all along, despite the popular enthusiasm for the elections, the State Department money and training being pumped into the “green revolution,” it won’t be the people who vote who count, but the people who count the votes. If past elections are any guide, the regime leadership will get together at 2:30 AM on Saturday morning, weigh the exit polls against the popular pressure from the street and the pressure from within the IRGC, and decide the outcome of the election based on a calculus of regime survival.
Maybe Timmerman knew there’d be a protest because he knows the limits of the Iranian people for being BS’d. It’s really no mystery, is it? Timmerman was also the first to notice Arab-speaking Hezzbollah trainees among the Iranian militias – does that make him an agent of Ahmadinejad?
Jon Raymond quotes the Pakistan Daily in his kooky rant based in fear of a neocon plot;
More evidence of orchestration is provided by the protesters’ chant, “death to the dictator, death to Ahmadinejad.” Every Iranian knows that the president of Iran is a public figure with limited powers. His main role is to take the heat from the governing grand Ayatollah. No Iranian, and no informed Westerner, could possibly believe that Ahmadinejad is a dictator. Even Ahmadinejad’s superior, Khamenei, is not a dictator, as he is appointed by a government body that can remove him.
The demonstrations, like those in 1953, are intended to discredit the Iranian government and to establish for Western opinion that the government is a repressive regime that does not have the support of the Iranian people. This manipulation of opinion sets up Iran as another Iraq ruled by a dictator who must be overthrown by sanctions or an invasion.
On American TV, the protesters who are interviewed speak perfect English. They are either westernized secular Iranians who were allied with the Shah and fled to the West during the 1978 Iranian revolution or they are the young Westernized residents of Tehran.
Many of the demonstrators may be sincere in their protest, hoping to free themselves from Islamic moral codes. But if reports of the US government’s plans to destabilize Iran are correct, paid troublemakers are in their ranks.
So because the Pakistan Daily assures us that Ahmadinejad and Khamenei are not dictators, we should believe it. I’d submit that if they conspired to alter the vote count, that alone makes them dictators. Wouldn’t you?
But Raymond thinks it’s still Bush that’s behind this stuff in Iran;
Interestingly, it may well be a fact that America is the force behind the uprising. Maybe not Obama.
The Left is still a little reticent about blaming Obama for anything.
Raymond’s further evidence of a neocon plot; everything is green!
It’s interesting how transparent and open to the media this Iranian uprising is. It seems like a well coordinated media campaign, complete with an official color (green), and the latest Web 2.0 social network technology. The Huffington Post is live blogging the Tweets and videos. Twitter is inundated with second by second accounts of the happenings in Iran. They even have little green overlays for Twitterers to place on their icons, in a showing of “solidarity”. The BBC and CCN have almost complete access, compared to the Iraq War. But is this solidarity and access contrived and seeded by the CIA?
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are quite the opposite in transparency.
He goes on that our soldiers don’t get overlays for their Twitter avatars – so there must be a CIA-inspired plot in Iran. High-larious!
It seems then, more likely than not, that the CIA is now behind the uprising in Iran. This uprising is a little too convenient for Republicans and right wingers looking for a new emergency situation that will give them the right to exercise their military industrial complex to secure and control Mid-Eastern oil, and boost Shell, Exxon, General Dynamics, Lockheed-Martin and KBR to boot. That’s been their plan all along, and Obama is messing it up.
He admits that he sounds like a conspiracy theorist – but that’s what neocons want you to think about him. So don’t you dare call him a lunatic, you neocons.
In the meantime, the Islamic Republic is fomenting their own conspiracy theories. Their foreign minister accused the Brown government (is that a “color revolution, too?) of interfering with the election;
We witnessed an influx of people before the election. Elements linked to the British secret service were flying in in droves, he charged.
Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei also on Friday accused the evil British government of meddling in the June 12 election, which the opposition has protested was rigged.
Britain dismissed the charges as unacceptable and summoned the Iranian ambassador in protest. Tehran had summoned the British ambassador on Tuesday to protest London’s comments on post-election unrest.
Mottaki charged that Britain did not want anyone to go to the polls.
Back to the Right side of the spectrum, Don Surber writes that Obama had to give his statement yesterday to cover for the Left;
The only reason that President Obama issued a statement on Iran was to give the Left a talking point against the argument that yes, the Bush Doctrine rocked the house in Iran.
Obama does not have to give Andrew Sullivan gay marriage now. Obama let Sullivan off the hook by issuing a press release on Saturday that actually did more harm to teh Iranian protesters than good, because it is so mealy mouthed.
But Sullivan and the rest on the Left don’t care. For them, all Obama had to do was issue a press release and the world will turn all unicorns andrainbows.
I checked Surber’s site and don’t see any green overlays, so he must not be a neocon.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Barack Obama/Joe Biden, Code Pink, Foreign Policy





Now that’s quite an interesting and well though out analysis. But why would you bother trying to debunk my rant? I’m nobody. Who are you trying to convince? I don’t even see an author’s name.
Anyway, I don’t doubt Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is a ruthless dictator, or that you can see hell from there. What I do doubt is the shallow support that right wing authoritarians profess for the uprising, when they have been such strong opponents of democracy all along, with there corrupt coup of the U.S. with Bush’s placement, orchestrated by his brother, their illegal preemptive racist genocidal war that left 1.5 million innocent Iraqis dead, with no green overlays, Tweets, videos, or pictures of it.
What makes you think a U.S. backed puppet dictator will be any better than the Ayatollah? You could make the same comparison between Bush and Obama. Oh yeah, you have.
1.5 million people disappeared off the face of the earth and there is hardly any documentation of it due to the U.S. censorship of media in the wars. Yet somehow we see everything in Iran.
But you seem to have failed to point out those points in my article, didn’t you. How convenient. http://tinyurl.com/mds3g8
“1.5 Million innocent Iraqis dead”?
Didn’t happen.
And it wasn’t censored. Especially not to me.
I was there. More than once. Where were you?
But hey, I’m just a tool of the neocons right?
Mr Raymond you have a severly distorted view of how this world works. Just because you surrond yourself with similarly delusional individuals doesn’t mean you capable of distinguishing reality from make-believe. You need to stop seeing yourself as some sort of comicbook superhero in a movie about one lone man “speaking truth to power”.
I’ve already wasted too much of my time on you. The path you are on only leads to confusion, anguish and ultimately insanity.
Oh.. wait Dick Cheney’s calling, I’ve got to go and finish up those Haliburton Iranian Oil drilling contracts…
Grow up Raymond
Grow up Raymond
Perfect response to a childish, feelings-based rant.
I heard the Winter Soldier testimonies. Maybe you should try listening. 1.5 million innocent Iraqis are dead as veteran Mike Prysnor (http://tinyurl.com/kv5ose) pointed out at a March 2009 rally. But we don’t know exact numbers. We don’t count “hodgies” (one of your official military terms – also cited by the Winter Soldiers http://ivaq.org/wintersoldier).
We don’t count them. We don’t see them. The media doesn’t report them until long after the fact and then it’s watered down by Pentagon approval.
I wasn’t dumb enough to stay in the military after what I saw in Desert Storm as an 11 year USAF veteran. I know then it was and still all bullshit and blood for oil.
But not to worry. Obama isn’t going to occupy Iran by force nor by puppet U.S. placed dictator. The jig is up. Go find a new country that gives a shit.
Jonn wrote: I was at Winter Soldier last year and I didn’t hear a word about 1.5 million dead Iraqis. My co-blogger and I live blogged it. You can even check our archives. We’d have hardly missed a whopper like that.
After what YOU SAW in Desert Storm? In the AIR FORCE? As what? We’re working on Mike Prysnor’s faerie tales now. I might request your records while I’m at it – I’d be interested in knowing “what you saw” in Desert Storm. This is your chance to admit you were BSing. See we specialize in tracking down phony soldiers.
I’ll bet your eyes are brown.
Added: Never mind – I found your military records already. You must’ve seen a lot of shit in Desert Storm as a flightline mechanic. You were probably the same clowns that hung out at Baskin Robbins and KFC all day getting your picture taken on the camel when you weren’t at the pool drinking ice cold Cokes and eating my free Wolfburgers. I don’t blame you, man – it was probably brutal, wasn’t it?
Jon Raymond said: I heard the Winter Soldier testimonies.
Jonn will likely reply when he stops laughing, but I couldn’t pass this up. You do top me with 11 years in the Air Force. I reckon some folks will be checking on the horrors that forced you out after Desert Storm.
Go find a new country that gives a shit.
Nah. I like this one just fine. Common sense would suggest that you should be looking for yourself. Ya see, I have done the research and your choices are far more numerous. You’d be welcome in several I can think of. Shucks Iran would likely welcome you with open arms – for one.
Wow. That was quite an entertaining exchange. Why do I picture stomping feet and frowny faces?
Kate said: That was quite an entertaining exchange.
Yeah… Made me sad, indeed. I never knew the horrors Jon did and I do sympathize.
I was in Hawaii at the time, and participated in my first parade! The Desert Storm folks invited us old ‘Nam guys to share in the homecoming. What a terrible fate!
Three things Ray-Ray
1) I CANNOT believe I am wasting more time responding to someone with a demonstrated inability to distinguish reality from fantasy.
2) So I need to listen to the Winter “soldier” “testimony”, (is there such a thing as quotation marks lock?) (Sarcasm Mode maybe?) do I? Let me repeat, I’ll break it down as simply as I can:
I.
WAS.
THERE.
Oh and I understand you are an unemployed, almost fifty year-old loser, convicted sex offender with bad breath who lives in his mother’s basement and can’t pay his bills. Don’t believe me? You should listen to Johnny Buttcrack’s testimony in the Autumn Airman Hearings.
3) The Air Force was so bad it drove you to hate your own country and it took you 11 (ELEVEN!!!) years to figure it out. Not real quick on the uptake are we Ray-Ray.
Either that or maybe you have a little problem with, dare I say it, reality perception. Almost like a pre-adolescent child… and here we are again… Grow up Raymond.
Oh, and don’t start with the DS/DS stuff either. I was there too…
Oh, and Ray-Ray, it’s Haji, or Hadji, if you have trouble sounding out words. Not “hodgies”. See Jonn’s post, “Pick a Story, Millard”.
Is 1.5 million the new number the leftist and socialist are batting around now?
One would think that we wouldn’t have time to do anything else other than shoot people.
2003-2009, 2190 days, we have to kill 685 people every day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, for six years.
Damned. I must have hit a nerve.
ps. Here’s the body count: http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/deathcount/explanation
Oh, I see, a “prestigious British” firm? Did they get their stats from the Lancet? You know, the study that has been shredded by facts. Never mind, I see that is where they got their starting numbers. So, no, you aren’t believable.
Who the hell is Jon Raymond and why should any of us give a rat’s ass what he thinks?
Good question. Why should you, unless you feel the need to defend yourselves?
Oh right. Now we quibble about the numbers. Is it 1.5 million? 1.3? 600,000 anyone? Like the number matters. They’re just dead hodgies. Oh excuse me, Hajis, or Hadjis, or actually I found Hajjis too (which one is it, numb nuts?). But you’d be the experts on official military racist “slang” being you used the term every day of your waking military life, also reported on in depth by the Winter Soldiers.
Wow, you found my records. Whop-de-freakin-doo. Give yourselves a pat on the back, a bronze star and an attaboy. Sorry no attagirls available.
So how many babies and raped women does it take for grunts to feel like real American heroes
WHO
WERE
THERE?
Please don’t reply. I’m not worth your time and there is no defense except ignorance and misguidance from your poor excuse of an illegal preemptive racist genocidal warmongering country. Be sure and remember this July 4th all the Hajis, or Hajjis, or Hajis, who your turned into “terrorists” by killing their families.
Be proud. Stand up and admit to your racism and genocide for oil and the deaths of our servicemen for it. You are, after all, true 2009 Americans if you can still defend this country’s criminal military.
Get educated, if you can read:
The Three Trillion Dollar War – Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Blimes
Conservatives Without Conscience – John Dean
Worse Than Watergate – John Dean
The Shock Doctrine – Naomi Kline
Is it 1.5 million? 1.3? 600,000 anyone? Like the number matters. They’re just dead hodgies
I suspect this dubious figure does not take into account these vicitms:
WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOS
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/bless-the-beasts-and-children-part-2.htm
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/bless-the-beasts-and-children-part-3.htm
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/update-on-bless-the-beasts-and-children.htm
…those publications who actually had people embedded in Baqubah when the story first broke and still failed to cover it, their malaise is inexplicable. I do not know why all failed to report the murders and booby-trapped village: apparently no reporters bothered to go out there…”
The media failing to report on the whole story on Iraq and slobbering peaceniks misrepresenting the casualties in Iraq. Who is doing the greater injustice to Iraqis and the truth?
I only killed maybe 20 in 15 months of deployment. I guess I was slacking on the job.
BTW- I did see the horrors of the highway of death up close and personal during DS. Sucked to be a bad guy.
Jon Raymond said: Damned. I must have hit a nerve.
More like a funny bone. I DO think that citing John Dean was priceless.
And “criminal military”… Dang, that’s good. Stick to your guns.
When all else fails and you’re losing the argument, no need to question your facts and little quibbling things like a numbers discrepancy of over a million. Just call everyone around you murderers and racists….the classic “Win” button of the cyber-moonbat.
That was a little over the top for even my taste…and I was out protesting the war before it even started…
On a side note Jonn, not all of us Air Force types are like this. Of course, we do earn some well-deserved ribbing for our relatively more comfortable living. Most of us went over, did our jobs to support the bigger fight and kept on driving for as long as they needed us. I didn’t see direct combat, and you’re not going to hear BS stories from me about that kind of stuff. I know what I did when I was over and it wasn’t anything special or heroic, just what they needed me to do at the time. I’m fine with that and proud that I was able to play a small part, and that’s about it. If his earlier statment is based off of turning wrenches on the flightline at PSAB, I saw more in Iraq than this guy saw in Saudi and that’s not saying much about my experience (even less about his).
Folks like this grasp at straws and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify whatever kind of oxygen thievery they are peddling, and this is a classic example.
Jonn wrote: My son is in the Air Force, almost nine years now. He leaves for Afghanistan this morning. I understand about the part everyone plays, but our buddy, Jon Raymond here, decided that “what he saw” as a flightline mechanic gave him some sort of moral authority over the rest of us.
I normally don’t disparage anyone’s service (my father was in the Navy, I was in the Army, my son’s in the Air Force, my niece is in the Reserves and her husband is a Marine), but when someone uses it like Raymond did, they don’t leave me any choice.
Basically, if I read the retard correctly, all the US military are murderers, rapists, and baby-killers.
I’ll remember that if I ever run into him.
Well Jon, because we here are so used to your meme that we can’t believe there are people still dishonest enough to peddle it. As for the war dead, do read the math from other sites, not just those that purportedly support your view of things.
Raymond’s logic is awesome, it’s like watching your dog try to do the taxes. You’ll be disappointed in the quality of his accounting of course, but you’re impressed that he even managed to fill out the forms…
“Stand up and admit to your racism and genocide for oil and the deaths of our servicemen for it.”
Aren’t these the same servicemen who are serving an “illegal preemptive racist genocidal warmongering country”?
I can’t tell if we’re supposed to be guilty for genocide or guilty for facilitating the deaths of the genocidal Service Members. Pick your baseless atrocity accusation and stick with it, Raymond! Consistency can be a virtue, son, whether it’s in how you craft your arguments, or how you take your meds.
“So how many babies and raped women does it take for grunts to feel like real American heroes”
Sheesh….deja vu all over again. No offense Jon but all I saw daily on the war in Iraq from most media was how our policies were failing and the numbers of civilian deaths caused by our actions. I feel like it’s 1970 all over again with people like you shouting out only the bad and never the good.
Raymond was born a moron and just grew bigger. That he actually had the brain function to perform the job of a mechanic in the Air Force, based on his rantings now, is one of the wonders of the world. Or, a better explanation might be that his cheese slipped off his cracker after getting ahold of some tainted moonshine in Saudi.
I’m trying to figure out exactly what his motivations are, since Scorch did an excellent job of pointing out the current use of communist anti-war slogans and phrases from the Vietnam era, it makes one wonder just what he is after.
The defense of inaccurate numbers, which were boldy thrown out as fact, by then coming back with “the numbers don’t matter, is laughable. Yes, Jon, they do matter, when you are using them as the basis of your argument, just as if you’re telling your boyfriend/girlfriend that it is, indeed, six inches.
Go back, re-write your rant, and this time make it somewhat more believable and maybe, juuuust maybe, you might be able to grab some of the low hanging fruit that would think that your re-vised rant sounds more credible.
So, um, my cockneck to english dictionary is feeling overtaxed, but by this gem: “your poor excuse of an illegal preemptive racist genocidal warmongering country.” is he referring to the country he served in uniform and in which he now currently resides and rubs up against IVAW truth tellers? Or did he give up his citizenship and is lusting after the truth tellers from afar?
Ayez cunfoozed.
Thank racism these fucktards are far out numbered by actual American Heroes.
Which is one thing sure to be on my mind this Independence Day. As well as the fact that my husband will only have precious few weeks left to make his mark and become a ‘true 2009 American’. Slacker.
“Jonn wrote: My son is in the Air Force, almost nine years now. He leaves for Afghanistan this morning. I understand about the part everyone plays, but our buddy, Jon Raymond here, decided that “what he saw” as a flightline mechanic gave him some sort of moral authority over the rest of us.
I normally don’t disparage anyone’s service (my father was in the Navy, I was in the Army, my son’s in the Air Force, my niece is in the Reserves and her husband is a Marine), but when someone uses it like Raymond did, they don’t leave me any choice.”
I’m in complete agreement there, the guy deserved every bit of it. I suppose I just wanted to have the other AF side of things out there, for those of us who don’t beclown ourselves.
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