Immutable laws of unintended consequences

| September 17, 2020

 

Careful what you wish for. You just may get it.

Cameron sends.

‘Defund Police’ Backfires as Minneapolis City Council Begs for Cops After Crime Spikes

By Michael Austin

For the past several months, the Minneapolis City Council has been working to defund and even abolish the city’s police department

After a recent surge in violent crime, some council members appear to have realized they need the police force.

During a two-hour city council meeting on police reform Tuesday, council members relayed their worries to Minneapolis Police Department Chief Medaria Arradondo.

Among the council members’ primary concerns was the fact that many of their constituents are seeing dangerous crimes — like carjackings, street racing, robberies, assaults and shootings — become more prevalent.

“Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police?’” asked newly elected council member Jamal Osman, a member of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party.

“That is the only public safety option they have at the moment. MPD. They rely on MPD. And they are saying they are nowhere to be seen.”

Think the voters in Minneapolis will remember this come election time? Yeah, me neither. Read the rest here: Western Journal

Thanks, Cameron.

Category: "Teh Stoopid", "Your Tax Dollars At Work", Democrats

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  1. Ex-PH2 says:

    Backfires as Minneapolis City Council Begs for Cops After Crime Spikes – well, no! Really???

  2. FuzeVT says:

    Well, I mean who really could have predicted this?
    Oh wait! I remember! About 70% of people in the US. I even imagine there are a WHOLE LOT of routine Democrat voters who could even figure this out.

  3. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    FA’ KHEM, they shit their bed and are now bawling about having to lay in it, I wonder what kind of armed security the Mayor and Commissioners of New Mogadishu aka Minneapolis enjoy while their taxpaying serfs suffer?

  4. Andy11M says:

    Have the locals tried talking to the people behaving in a antisocial manner? Explain to them why what they are doing is wrong? I’m sure that would work.

    • rgr769 says:

      Plus, they could chat with them along with a social worker and a psychologist to explain why their behavior is bad for the “community.” That should be effective.

  5. 5th/77th FA says:

    Sympathies for the good patriotic citizens there? Yeah I do.

    Phuques to give for the pandering politicians?
    Behold my barren field.

  6. The Other Whitey says:

    The really irritating thing here is the city council claiming innocence in this mess. They shit the bed, and now expect the very same cops they’ve been crapping on nonstop for months to clean it up.

  7. timactual says:

    Reminds me of the folks who want to abolish the IRS. Same (lack of) thought process.

  8. NHSparky says:

    Dipshit coming in to tell us there is no crime being committed in 3…2…1…

  9. Graybeard says:

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    IF the local Republican, Independent, and Libertarian parties are smart (yeah, yeah, I know.) they will hammer this home again and again with the voters until every Socialist Dictator Party member in Minnesota is run so far out of office they actually have to get a real job – if they can find one.

    • Skippy says:

      They won’t it’s below them to talk to the voters that way

      • USMC Steve says:

        It is not that so much as it is that Minneapolis is too deeply mired in socialist democrat stupidity. The relatively stable people are getting the hell outta there, and the rest of them can suck it – they deserve everything they get in reward of their foolishness.

  10. I keep saying that law enforcment should learn from fergussen and maintain the fergussen effect where YOU DO NOT DO CAR STOPS, Make sure your car goes nice and slow on gun runs so whatever is going on will be over and the perp gone by the time you get there, Just ticket parkers/expired meters, coop for most of your tour and this way you can go home to your family with no shit birds protesting in front of your home and go for the early retirement if possible.

  11. OWB says:

    Unintended consequences? Maybe these are the intended consequences.

  12. Anonymous says:

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

  13. Ret_25X says:

    It simply cannot be. We were told that violence and crime are produced by cops, not contained by cops. I recall being told by Dummissar right here on TAH that believing otherwise makes us ffffaaaashhhiiizts.

    Tune in next time for another episode of “dummisar gets REKT” by reality.

  14. Commissar says:

    The mineopolis police budget for 2020 was $193 million…

    The “defund the police” initiative moved $1.2 million to other services.

    $1.2 million out of $193 million.

    If a military command said that he could not accomplish his mission if the DOD shifted $1.2 million from his $193 million budget you all would call bullshit. Because it would be bullshit.

    The source you quoted is commentary. Just a guy with an opinion. And the dipshit that wrote it doesn’t even know what “defund the police” means, if he can’t even get that right then why the hell should anyone listen to his opinion about “defund the police”?

    Defund the police is not about abolishing the police. Minneapolis did not abolish the police. It cut the police budget by 0.6%.

    Defunding the police is about reducing the roll of police so they are not handling mental health crisis, homelessness or vagrancy,, or simple drug addiction and using other kinds of professional, professionals better trained for those problems, to handle them.

    It is also about increasing accountability so cities are not paying tens of millions a year in abuse of power lawsuits.

    Minneapolis crime was already spiking compared to last for year average before any discussion to “defund the police”.

    So blaming the spike on “defunding the police” is transparently bullshit.

    Crime is spiking nationwide in most communities because of the economic impact of the pandemic. Access to effective education and economic opportunity is the best way to reduce crime. Not just national average economic activity; local economic Opportunity in the specific community of concern.

    The crime rate increase has little to nothing to do with police force reductions.

    Cops don’t stop crimes, This has been studied to death. Cops on patrols almost never witness a crime in progress. And, while the presence of cops significantly discourages public violent felony criminal activity where they are present; it does not actually stop the crime…it causes the criminal to target a different area.

    The evidence shows more cops has a negligible effect on crime. At best it effects it by a few percentage points. And the evidence showing even that much is pretty inconclusive.

      • SFC D says:

        Defund is a simple word. Six letters, two syllables. It has a simple meaning. “Defund” means “to remove money”. It does not mean “reallocate money” or “shift spending priorities”. You and your fellow travelers are walking the “defund the police” narrative so vigorously you look like Michael Jackson at his prime. You do not get to redefine a word because it does not suit you. Your mob clamored to defund the police, and meant exactly that. To remove the police. No amount of progressive/liberal/communist spin can change that. You’re a fraud.

    • Commissar says:

      Does more police mean less crime?

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2019/02/13/marshall-project-more-cops-dont-mean-less-crime-experts-say/2818056002/

      https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0fda258d-c783-4fdf-84f2-018ae60a594d

      http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicepolicy/documents/rethinkingtheblues_final.pdf

      Now, a Princeton PhD candidate, Steven Mello, recently published paper “More cops, less crime” that people are using to refute the two decades of prior research, his paper was posted on the a Princeton resources page in 2019 where it first gained some attention before now being spotlighted politically.

      He actually wrote the paper in 2016 while at Dartmouth. But it didn’t get any attention until now.

      Because his paper just made a splash there has not been time for people to try to reproduce his research, evaluate his date, or conclusions,

      He focused on the economic costs of crime, assigning dollar amounts to crimes from burglary to rape, even murder, to determine if a dollar spent on law enforcement saves money due to dollars saved in economic impacts of crimes.

      We will see if his research holds up to scrutiny,

      Back in the 1990s policy economists held similar views. And some papers were published supporting that notion.

      None of the papers survived academic scrutiny,

      The data and methodology just did not hold up.

      Increases in policing technology, particularly tracking and surveillance, has had a much larger impact than more police officers.

      Education and economic opportunity stops crimes.

      Police technology/tracking/surveillance stops criminals.

      It is simply much harder to get away with a crime then it was in the 1980 and 1990s.

      Not because there are more cops; but because it is significantly easier to identify and find a criminal due to video, cell tracking, traffic cameras, and social media outreach.

      Career criminals have very very short careers these days.

      • Animal says:

        Career criminals have short careers?

        Hardly. Recidivism rates haven’t dropped.

        I could count on two hands the number of people I have arrested that were going to jail for the first time.

        • 5th/77th FA says:

          Welcome Home Animal! Good to see you again!

        • Commissar says:

          That is not true.

          Overall Recidivism (violent and non violent offenders) dropped 16% for the seven year period to 2008-2014 and 23% for the four year period 2014 to 2018.

          Recidivism rates for violent offenders is more steady, and is higher than non-violent. Which is part of the reason most parole, early release, and reduced sentencing efforts are focused on non-violent offenders.

          Usually papers trying to show that recidivism rates have not dropped focused on violent offenders because they tend to have more intransigent criminal behaviors.

          Despite that, even violent offender rates have fallen.

          And violent offenders likely are less able to be reformed. If you are willing to commit violence to victimize and innocent person there is likely something more than mere economic factors, education tion, opportunity factors driving your behavior.

          • Green Thumb says:

            I don’t know about that.

            A lot of literature says otherwise.

            I guess it depends on the source and the “cherry-picking” involved. And it goes both ways.

            This is not meant as a slight, just fact.

      • Ex-PH2 says:

        “Police technology tracking surveillance stops criminals”.

        No, it doesn’t do anything of the kind. In fact, it’s gotten worse everywhere. Lots of carjackings are going in Chicago’s various neighborhoods, and the numbers are increasing. And that’s just in Chicago and its environs. It’s going up everywhere, since people have nothing better to do than shoot other people and steal stuff.

        https://abc7chicago.com/video-woman-carjacked-by-armed-man-in-bucktown/6369758/

        As always, the spapos doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

      • Green Thumb says:

        That is why he is still a Candidate.

    • 11B-Mailclerk says:

      “Defend” is more garbage sloganeering from the Marxists that want to wreck our free society and build another “radiant future” dystopia in its place.

      No.

      • 11B-Mailclerk says:

        Even my spell-check is in on the act. Sneaky Marxist code weasel….

        “Defund”

        • Roh-Dog says:

          My grunt brain figured it out.
          I think the idea is to hire these student loaned to-the-hilt marxie robots at $100+k/yr so they can ‘transform’ society in their image.
          And of course, these Social Workers will be Union and will require property tax increases to fund the fat pensions.

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      HAAAAAAA, I was right, Here’s Major Moonbat regurgitating his propaganda like a Seagull on laxatives! The “Defund the Police’ minions claim they want Social Workers and Neighborhood patrols, maybe just like the Militias in Mexico? Yeah, that and the Gun Control they have there makes that Country SUCH a crime-free Utopia even more than Chicongo!

    • USMC Steve says:

      SQUAWK! SQUAWK! SQUAWK!

  15. Roh-Dog says:

    Common youz guysss, hunting doesn’t deunreduce the deers population!

    Here’s a studies by an PhD which means he’s so smarter then us that we has to wisten twos heem!

    You guys are sooo meenies!!!

    …grumbleglumble, cult memmbers.