2 killed, 1 wounded at protests in Kenosha
Two people have died and one was seriously wounded by gunfire just before midnight on Tuesday.
Two people died and one person was injured as shots were fired late Tuesday in Kenosha during the third night of unrest in Wisconsin following the shooting of a Black man by police, Kenosha police said.
The shooting was reported at about 11:45 p.m. in an area where protests have taken place, Kenosha police Lt. Joseph Nosalik said in a news release. The injured person was in serious condition at a local hospital with serious but non-life threatening injuries, he said.
The shooting was under investigation and no other information was released. The victims have not been identified.
Jacob Blake protests: Kenosha police hunt for suspect with long gun after 2 killed, 1 wounded in unrest
Investigators probing whether the shooting was linked to ‘self-styled militias guarding a gas station,’ a report said
By Danielle Wallace
Kenosha police are searching Wednesday for a suspect seen on video armed with a long gun after a shooting late Tuesday killed two people and wounded a third.
The deadly violence broke out during the third night of civil unrest since 29-year-old Jacob Blake, a Black man, was shot at close range by city police officers, leaving him partially paralyzed.
Officers responded at about 11:45 p.m. Tuesday to reports of shots fired and multiple gunshot victims near 63rd Street and Sheridan Road. Two people were killed, and a third was hospitalized with serious, but not life-threatening injuries, the Kenosha Police Department said in a statement.
Investigators were looking into whether the shooting unfolded as a result of a conflict that broke out between demonstrators and “self-styled militias guarding a gas station,” Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth told the New York Times.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers, a Democrat, had called for calm earlier Tuesday, while also declaring a state of emergency under which he doubled the National Guard deployment in Kenosha from 125 to 250. The night before, crowds destroyed dozens of buildings and set more than 30 fires in the city’s downtown.
Too little, way too late. Read the entire article here: Fox News
Category: "Teh Stoopid", ANTIFA, BLM
Behold the field in which I grow my fucks, and see that it is barren.
These little bastards always gotta pick the hard way to learn.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
One great thing about the revolution, it will/is being televised.
If you gotta strong stomach the TTAG article has vids, in the comments there is multiple angles and great commentary.
Good luck everyone, see you on the other side!
I’ll be waiting for you there.
Get ready Little Lady, Hell is coming to breakfast.
I hope the shooter doesn’t give himself up to the police, and is never found.
From the blurry jumpy video on the interwebz, it looks like a righteous shoot after the shooter was attacked and knocked down.
Of course, I can’t say to the “before”, since the posted video only starts at the time midway through the initial attack, then the shooting.
That video is the second shooting,
He shot someone earlier and was running away.
Unclear how “lawfulL the first shooting was.
I have not seen a video that shows any context to the first shooting,
What’s the matter major Moonbat, afraid of seeing the rioting little maggots get hurt when someone defends themselves or their property?
No. Afraid to see citizens struggling to fix a major national issue with respect to the abuse and extrajudicial killings of citizens by unaccountable agents of the state…being killed by fear mongering paranoid pro-authoritarian right wing activists.
Citizens struggling to fix a major national issue with mob rule and violence are going to be killed by citizens protecting their property. That’s how this works. Live by the sword, die by the sword. It sucks, but if you instigate violence, you should expect it returned. Here ended the lesson.
Shooter was attempting to retreat while being assaulted and chased by the dude that took a round to the head, and only fired when he was not able to retreat. When he was attacked the second time, held fire on those not attacking.. Called 911 to report the first shooting before being attacked again…
Blake was a violent felon reaching under the seat of his vehicle, AFTER resisting arrest and being tazed… Do police need to wait until the gun is pointed at them to fire? Are you in the habit of defending child rapists like him??
C’mon Commissar, we’re curious!
Yup. Citizens defending themselves is horrible and un-Socialist. Better for them to be shot and/or go to the gulag without trouble, comrade!
Saw some comments (NOT confirmed) that what the dude that took one to the melon was throwing at the shooter was a molotov… If true, no question it’s self defense.. will be interesting to see what the investigation reveals.
But you and the rest of the loopy left can burn down half of the country based on a few seconds of shitty cell phone video of a violent felon resisting arrest, potentially reaching for a weapon and getting his stupid ass shot.
Context, you suck at it.
Half the country? No.
Because of a grainy cell phone video? No.
But that is not what is happening.
So try again with your propagandized bullshit.
A small section of a single town because an unarmed man was shot in the back seven times.
I think looting is always wrong.
I think burning and vandalizing innocent businesses is always wrong.
Burning a single police station, or a cop car? That is a legitimate political message. And can be justified under some circumstances.
We are a nation founded by protestors, rioters, and revolutionaries.
People willing to commit violence to send a message. People will to die for their rights.
People who were regarded as criminals by the state.
People who were viewed as lawless scum and rioters by their loyalist neighbors.
You are literally taking sides against people trying to change the fact that American law enforcement kills it citizens at a rate several times higher than other industrial societies.
You are taking sides again people fighting for our right to not be killed by the state for “disobeying”.
This whole issue is being framed as being about a Black Lives, because the nation needs to be reminded that black lives matter ALSO.
But the fact that all citizens, of all segments are society, are more likely to be killed by a cop merely for being a citizen of the United a states than they were a citizen of any other country.
That is an issue we all should want to see fixed.
You are on the wrong side of this.
If you and your ilk were not defending extrajudicial killings of citizens, there would be not protests…no riots…
There would be national bipartisan support for law enforcement reform.
“But the fact that all citizens, of all segments are society, are more likely to be killed by a cop merely for being a citizen of the United a states than they were a citizen of any other country.”
Sorry, but no. if you exclude the criminals with long histories, armed or otherwise attacking LEO or other people, the number of people killed by police drops to next to nothing. And in those cases where that is not true, the bad cop usually faces justice for his/ her crime. In the instances where a bad cop does not face justice, it’s often because of the strength of the union involved (which party is a huge supporter of unions again?) In many cases, the bad cop is well known prior to the incident, but due to union, or very low hiring standards (diversity anyone?), nothing is done.. Once again, the fault can be laid squarely at the feet of the dems who push this shit… Also Commissar, just so we’re clear on this, PLEASE tell us which of these so-called “extra-judicial” killing has happened in an area not controlled by the dems???
“But the fact that all citizens, of all segments are society, are more likely to be killed by a cop merely for being a citizen of the United a states than they were a citizen of any other country.”
That’s pure crap pulled out of your ass, Short Round. As Fyrfighter says, if you’re not a criminal your chances of being killed by a cop in this country are practically zero. Even if you are a criminal, your chances are very low UNLESS you foolishly flee, resist arrest or display a weapon, three behaviors that seem to be all too common among young black males.
You know as well as we do that the Marxist movement has seized on these incidents as their casus belli, cynically exploiting the black community in general and black criminality specifically, as a means of furthering their war on America.
You can mouth all the pious platitudes you want but they mean only one of two things:
1) You’re one of the cynical Marxists.
2) You’re one of the useful idiots.
In your case, it’s much easier to believe it’s the latter…
“Even if you are a criminal, your chances are very low”
There are prisons full of felons that prove this correct.
Because of the agitprop spewed by Major Moonbat and his ilk, many black males believe they should always resist arrest and, if they have access to a firearm, shoot the police. So moonbat progs are more at fault for all this rioting and looting than anyone else.
No. It’s an arson (and likely burglary), an act of terrorism, and an act of part of a larger violent insurrection.
If Trump was half the tyrant you dream he is, this would be getting put down like the Whiskey Rebellion.
And such arson is a felony in every state. Depending on the details it may also be a federal crime. That is why BATF investigates some arson fires.
No, it’s not legit, Lars. It’s fucking arson, vandalism, destruction of property, etc. Lately they’ve been attempting to barricade cops inside the police stations they attempt to burn down, Larsie-bitch. So you can add attempted murder to the rap.
I genuinely believe that the shit you spew promotes violence that disproportionately affects black people. How legit would it be for me to come out and set fire to your shit, asshole? Oh, right, I forgot, it’s only legit when *you* approve.
Go fuck yourself with a chainsaw, you nutless chickenshit fuck.
Fuck off. How is it you’re so fucking concerned for a career criminal who pulled stupid shit and got himself shot for it, but not his 14-year old rape victim?
Tells you everything you need to know about Lars the Limp-Dick Commie.
The first shooting at the auto repair place looks like it was done by a tall, Asian looking man with glasses (I’ll call him ‘Bob’). In a video from earlier Bob gets yoked by a guy on his ‘own team’ and reprimanded about something just after being yelled at by the rioter shot in the head (He’ll be lil rioter)
Supposition time: lil rioter got close or whatever, Bob flagged him.
On camera : lil rioter yelling at Bob saying ‘shoot me, ni**a, shoot me’.
Break in footage.
Bob is coming out from the dark and lil rioter has himself an extra hole, Bob looks confused.
Who knows. At this point I don’t even care, other than the lolz.
The second shooting appears to be unrelated other than the shooter’s location and proximity to Bob caused the rioters to pursue and assault the second shooter.
Has anyone seen a video where the second shooter shot not on his ass?
Defensive use of force, no doubt.
“‘shoot me, ni**a, shoot me’”… seem he got exactly what he asked for…
Just watching “True Grit”.. guessing that first shooting was kinda like the scene where Tom Chaney gets shot by Maddie, and says “I just didn’t think ya’d do it”… other than the fact that it looks like “Lil Rioter” took the round to the melon, so he probably wasn’t thinking much of anything..
My…my…my…one of the Disciples of St. Karl referring to a black gentleman with the “N” word?
But…but…but…I thought WE conservatives are supposed to be the ugly, hate-spewing racists…
Here you go you commie retard have a look at the truth. The dumb cunt who was shot in the arm was armed ( well not so much anymore lolololol) with a .380 or a 9mm.
The fellow who was shot in the right forearm was part of a group of dedicated Marxist/commie “revolutionaries” that have been “protesting” for the past ninety (90) days, per a spokeshole for the group. His pistol, seen in the videos in his right hand, mysteriously disappeared before he was treated; so there is some question as to whether he is a felon.
This video is a montage of events and shows both the alleged first and second shootings. It looks like something was thrown, and then the shooter was rushed in the first shooting.
Imagine you’re a dumb ass ANTIF “protester” and you get domed by a evil black rifle, as you lay there slowly fading away contemplating your choices that led you to laying in a street with a bullet hole in your head, your last memory is of your fellow anti fach anti capitalist morons shoving their iPhones in your face to film your death.
Gotta get that video, ya know! It’s not a human life if you’re watching it on your phone like it’s Netflix.
Once again you are talking out of your ass. The NYT actually put together a timeline showing that all three of the “victims” were aggressively attacking the kid when they learned that it is a mistake to bring a skateboard to a gun fight.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html#click=https://t.co/FRCYlS5wgH
There is no way they will ever prove 1st degree murder. That’s bullshit prosecutorial overreach.
This is like Gettysburg, where both sides started to rush in reinforcements after the initial engagement on Day One. I think the Kenosha Confrontation is about to become a bigger event…
There were no protests in Kenosha. There were riots there though. Except where folks had guns to shoot them with.
Imagine that. Local government abdicates its responsibility to keep law and order then bad things happen.
Yeah. Outcome is kinda predictable, isnt’ it?
Democrats in action.
So, it’s finally come to armed confrontations between rioters and the citizenry.
These Marxist turds better enjoy themselves while they may, because it will end very badly for them if things continue to escalate.
“So, it’s finally come to armed confrontations between rioters and the citizenry.”
Just a matter of time, aided by moving out from the big cities. This is an entirely predictable escalation and won’t be the last occurrence.
Wait, wha two you mean “moving out from the big cities”?
They are happening in the locations of some of the more egregious police shooting caught on tape.
The first BLM street protests were in Ferguson, Mo. A town of 20,000.
It is happening in Kenosha because the shooting in Kenosha looked to be completely egregious and unjustified. Based on the video evidence so far.
BLM is not “moving out of the big cities”….
It didn’t even start there. And never really was there.
They are happening where the cops are shooting people.
Dontre Hamilton, Eric Garner, John Crawford III, Michael Brown, Ezell Ford, Laquan McDonald, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, Antonio Martin, and Jerame Reid.
Charley Leundeu Keunang, Tony Robinson, Anthony Hill, Meagan Hockaday, Eric Harris, Walter Scott, Freddie Gray, William Chapman, Jonathan Sanders, Sandra Bland, Samuel DuBose, Jeremy McDole, Corey Jones, and Jamar Clark as well Dylan Roof’s murder of The Charleston Nine.
Bruce Kelley Jr., Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, Joseph Mann, Abdirahman Abdi, Paul O’Neal, Korryn Gaines, Sylville Smith, Terence Crutcher, Keith Lamont Scott, Alfred Olango, and Deborah Danne….
These shooting, among others, are the origins of black lives matter.
The narratives that BLM is going to move out and “attack the suburbs” is a right wing fever dream lie. And it is stupid lies like that that led two the two disphits standing in their yard point guns at peaceful protestors as they peacefully strolled by looking at them like they were crazy racists. Which they were.
I recognize several of those names. Sandra Bland hanged herself in custody. Michael Brown was beating on the cop and his shooter was acquitted. Philandr Cadtile told the cop he was armed and kept reaching into his coat as if to draw a gun. You picked a great set to hang your hat on.
Korryn Gaines held her young son hostage, using him as a shield, while she pointed a shotgun at officers trying to calmly take her into custody.
Facts matter.
“Facts matter.”
Not to dipshits like Commie-zar.
You shouldn’t list the people who killed themselves in police custody as “egregious police” conduct.
Also, Kenosha IS a suburb.
Add in Sturgis, and Fort Collins Colorado, where antifa got their asses handed to them, or bailed out by the very cps they want to defund.
As to the Cops killing the thug in Kenosha, you’re right commissar, the video the MSM is showing to advance their agenda leaves some doubt (though a dude with priors for weapons charges reaching under his seat while being ordered to stop by police on scene would be a justified shoot anyway, but earlier video, from the other side of the vehicle clearly shows him being tazed, and continuing to resist. No, I won’t find the link, it’s easy enough to find, do your own legwork.Also, initial call to the police was from a woman who said Blake was in her house illegally, and had taken her car keys. He also had outstanding warrants for domestic abuse and felony sex crimes (which likely explains his resistance).. Why is it (rhetorical) that you insurrectionists only claim “black lives matter” when you’re talking about a shitbag criminal, and not when innocent people are being killed by other blacks, ala shitcago???
In the video, just before the shots rang out, Blake is bent over next to the driver’s seat, likely reaching for something. Could it be a gun under the seat. We don’t know and maybe neither did the cop that fired the first shot. There are multiple videos of suspects about to be arrested, resisting, reaching their vehicles, pulling a weapon, and shooting at officers. All I know is that Blake’s bent over body position was not consistent with trying to get into the driver’s seat.
I took a class put on by our local PD using the shoot or no shoot videos and a Glock simulator. One had to perform the OODA loop analysis in about a half a second to react in time. Most of our class reached the wrong decisions that would have got them injured or killed or the suspect unjustifiably shot. So those that think these resisting arrest situations are easy to resolve without anyone getting hurt are deluding themselves.
rgr769;
When I was working at Brink’s, The company had a film company make shoot no shoot videos with guys wearing our work uniforms having different kinds of scenarios where you would shoot or not shoot. The Company also had a tractor trailor that had a simulator onboard which at the time didn’t make it to our office, but maybe after I retired.
Kenosha is also part of the Chicago metropolitan statistical area, even though it’s closer to Milwaukee than Chicago.
I’m wondering how many of the rioters in Kenosha the other day were from IL.
and Ferguson is definitely inside Greater St. Louis – more or less just east of the airport. Small town of 20,000 my ass.
The 17 year-old that shot the guy who hit him with a skate board and tried to take his AR is apparently from Illinois, according to Daily Mail. DM says he has been arrested and charged with murder.
Saw that, no idea how they’ll make it stick, all evidence is to the contrary
For Leftists, law is no object.
Don’t see how he could be charged with murder after a peace full shoot.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-wisconsin-shooting-police-militia-jacob-blake-211413849.html
he has been
The popo there may have a standing procedure to arrest after a shoot. After all, it is not in free America. The available tape and testimony indicate the lad didn’t open fire except after they came after him, acting in an aggressive and hostile manner. The dead skateboard thug was attacking him, no doubt that one was a good shoot. The wounded thug was trying to shoot him with a handgun. Clear self defense there too. They can try to get him for having a rifle under age I suppose. The cops failed, the local government failed, this dude did what should have been done from the first day.
These may well have been the first shots of the Boogaloo.
As is Ferguson, Mo. But don’t tell Larsie.
Between the date of the death of George OD Floyd and the shooting of the knife carrying Jason Blake, over 1600 black males were shot. By other black males! Where’s the outrage?
Not to mention the children shot by black males.
So, Seagull, take your Black Looters Matter bullshit and stuff it.
Jacob Blake, my bad.
Ferguson, MO, is part of the greater St Louis metro area. It’s INSIDE the I-270 beltway around St Louis, and is only about 7 or 8 miles from downtown St Louis. In fact, it’s closer to downtown St Louis than either Watts or Compton is to downtown LA.
Ferguson is thus part of the St Louis urban sprawl, not some “small town” as you’re implying above. By the same logic, Compton CA is a “small city” – and it’s not. It’s a part of Greater Los Angeles, and as I recall by reputation is a pretty rough part of same.
There’s a reason I refer to you as Koalemos, Commissar. Ignorant statements like the above which are easily proven false (or similar statements which are intentionally made to deceive but which are similarly easy to disprove) are exactly the reason.
Not that you’d give a shit Commissar, but young black men are killing young black men at an alarming rate. Why don’t their black lives matter? Are you going to blame that on white privilege and police brutality? Tapdance around that. You’re a fraud.
Freddie Gray was not shot by police.
Can you list the names of the 20 people shot in DC on August 12?
Or the 105 people killed in Chicago during July 2020?
Or the 25 people killed in Baltimore in the last month?
Or maybe the names of the 100+ children shot in Philadelphia between January and August 2020?
Said it before, Hack will say it again, statistically, African American men stand a better chance of surviving an encounter with Law Enforcement Officers than an encounter with Democrat Fundraiser Ed Buck. Prove us wrong.
“It is happening in Kenosha because the shooting in Kenosha looked to be completely egregious and unjustified.”
It LOOKS bad. LOOKS bad. The call of the leftist. Only appearance matters.
Forget whatever facts there may be… you don’t KNOW. And we don’t KNOW what was going on from the police perspective.
Buuuuut it LOOKS baaaaaad!
Be careful what you wish for.
People have not only been shooting rioters and looters. Peaceful protestors have also been shot at and shot by Boogaloos and anti-BLM activists.
If this keeps up the protestors and rioters will start shooting back.
And you will soon find out how few people support the far right wing fear mongering agenda.
Hey Major Moonbat, so far we haven’t seen many incursions of the BLM/antifa maggots into Red State America because they’ve either gotten their asses handed to them by LE like in Oklahoma or they got their asses shredded by locals like in Longmont CO. As for my neck of the woods, my Neighbors and I would just think “Open Season, No Bag limit” if they ever came to my neck of the woods. OH, and a number of my Neighbors also own excavators, *HINT*.
We just keep a few feral hogs in the swamp. More of a “green” solution. They dispose of everything and don’t require diesel fuel.
You are so full of shit.
The protests are mostly in red states. They started in red states and continue to mostly happen in red states….
Because most of the more egregious shootings of black citizens are happening in red states,
Wisconsin went for Trump by ten points. Though it is more purple now because a Trump is incompetent.
“…Because most of the more egregious shootings of black citizens are happening in red state…”
Oh really? What about Illinois? Maryland? Etc?
By the way, where are the non-egregious shootings of black citizens at?
And by the way, if you remove the word ‘citizen’, and transfer the plurality to the word ‘black’, you just committed the same act you freaked out over when Ex used the word ‘blacks’. But go ahead and tell us how you are different.
Hey Major Moonbat, the riots are taking place in towns run by D-rats.
You lose yet again.
ILLINOIS is a blue state.
CALIFORNIA is a blue state.
OREGON is a blue state.
WASHINGTON is a blue state.
NEW YORK is a blue state.
ALL of NEW ENGLAND – blue states
MICHIGAN is a blue state.
NEW JERSEY, DELAWARE, PENNSYLVANIA – all blue states
OHIO, IOWA, WISCONSIN, MINNESOTA- all blue states
VIRGINIA, MARYLAND, OHIO – all blue states
FLORIDA – BLUE STATE
NEW MEXICO, COLORADO – BLUE STATES
https://www.netadvisor.org/2015/11/03/democrat-blue-states-have-46-percent-more-murders-than-republican-red-states/
And as it turns out, democrat BLUE states have 46 percent more murders than red states. Also, that map is related to voting, not gun violence.
Where does that marone get his lamebrained stuff? Why does he insist on letting everyone in the world know how uninformed and utterly dimwitted he is?
Oh, never mind. Enjoy the blue vs. red state stuff.
To answer your first question, the method he uses to obtain his “facts” appears to me to be rectus extractus. Or maybe “wishful thinking”, which often amounts to the same thing if one’s wishes are not grounded in reality.
Not sure about your second question, Ex-PH2. Masochism or stupidity come to mind, but it could be something else instead.
In any case, that behavior is precisely why I often refer to him as Koalemos.
Sh*tholistan– People’s Democratic Republic of Democrats.
Almost every single one of them happened in a firm Democrat stronghold city, but you already knew that.
Wrong answer idiot. Very few demonstrations or riots in free America. All that is going on in the socialist blue states, because they know they can get away with it. The clowns tried that riot stuff in KC and the local popo crushed them, no more riots since then.
Your other facts are simply your usual fantasy nonsense, I won’t waste time refuting them. You are not rational enough to grasp facts.
Um, what are you smoking? It certainly seems to have quite vivid an effect.
Wishing has nothing to do with it. Since the Dem “Leadership” has abdicated all responsibility in protecting it’s citizens, the people can either defend what is theirs or watch it burn.
The people are starting to speak.
Democrats don’t protect citizens, good citizens just cover in fear for Free Sh*t.
I’ve seen more protestors getting shot by their own people (cough *Denver* cough *Louisville* cough) than counter protestors.
Care to refute?
That seems true, but closer than you think.
The right wing bubble rarely covers the cases of peaceful protestors being shot and shot at by right wing activists.
They also don’t cover the cases of right wing activists being involved in provocation incidents. Like the right wing white supremacist shitbag Mitchell Carlson that broke the windows at the auto zone.
Enlighten us with some documentation outside of your fantasy.
“The right wing bubble rarely covers the cases of peaceful protestors being shot and shot at by right wing activists.” spapos squawks again.
Where is YOUR BACKUP for this statement? Where is YOUR PROOF???
Provide backup or verifiable proof, or else shut up, spapos.
You just HAVE to call on him to whip his Empirical Evidence out, don’t you?
NOT THE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE!!!!
I’m thinking he doesn’t have very much to “whip out” . . . .
Hondo, for pity’s sake, post a spew alert next time, willya?
But that deficiency never seems to deter him from whipping it quite publicly, does it?
Like a monkey at the zoo…
He barely has enough to flick, much less whip.
Then I guess I didn’t read about Mitchell Carlson on Fox news after all. Must’ve been another fever dream.
No he doesn’t because it is not happening. Even now, the rioters are clearly the aggressors.
All this derp der dah ‘Boog-gie bois’ and ‘Ebil Muhlisha’ is psyop priming with the intent to disparage the use of arms by citizens, nothing more.
Not gonna lie, when I heard about the one in Denver, I laughed so hard i peed a little…
Bahahahaha God you are such a dumb feckless cunt.
In the video above of the gas station, you can hear one of the rioters repeatedly screaming “let’s go burn down the police station.”
Shooting looters is fine.
Not usually legal.
But fine by me,
I absolutely despise looters.
Then saddle up cowboy and join the fight.
Like I said , be nice to see you on the news.
You folks need to stop aiding and abetting the rioters and looters.
Failing to exclude them with the same enthusiasm you exclude undercover cops, and you damn well could, is culpable.
You own your co-belligerents, Comrade Zampolit.
You obviously have not been anywhere near any of these protests.
If you were you would know that there is a huge difference between the looters and protestors, and even the rioters.
The looting often happens blocks away from the protests. During the Oakland protests, in downtown Oakland, the looting was mostly happening in San Leandro outlet malls, and Emeryville strip malls.
When people looted down town both the protestors and the cops tried to stop them. Often successfully. They also cell recorded them and sent the recordings to cops.
The looters are not the same as protestors.
The protestors hate looters.
So you’re saying the protesters are being used as a distraction by the looters, drawing police away from the intended targets for looting? Seems that’s solid marxist doctrine…
Question is, are the protesters so stupid they don’t realize they’re being used, or are they complicit / coordinating with the looters???
As for hating them, I kinda doubt that’s true…
https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/seattle-blm-protesters-demand-white-people-give-up-their-homes/
and
https://www.businessinsider.com/white-protesters-confront-diners-during-black-lives-matter-protest-2020-8
And what was that you said in another thread about DA’s not dropping charges against rioters??
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/demonstrators-and-dc-police-clash-during-march-in-meridian-hill-and-adams-morgan-neighborhoods/2020/08/14/38dc80be-de4f-11ea-809e-b8be57ba616e_story.html
Fishes in the sea of the people.
If the people turn on them, turn them in, they cannot swim in the sea.
-actively- oppose them.
For example, limit protests to daylight hours, and stay well away from involved folks.
Exclude anyone dressed “black bloc” or for combat. Report them. -drive- them away.
Physically intervene between rioters and looters and their targets.
Name and shame.
Refuse support and/or medical aid to violent combatants. Not even a bottle of water or bandaid.
Walk away -immediately- if a protest is compromised bi violent instigators.
Make public statements excluding and denouncing the violent. Ask for help sorting them out.
Pick up trash. Don’t throw it down.
Again, choose attire and actions that -exclude- the habits of the perpetrators.
Be hostile ground for those who choose violence.
C’mon man. You are supposedly the pro at this stuff, by your posts on this forum. You -know- I am right.
Or, own that your unwillingness to exclude is acceptance and approval.
“Again, choose attire and actions that -exclude- the habits of the perpetrators.”
As i recall, Martin Luther King always marched in a suit and tie…
I’ve been to these “protests”. You make it sound like there’s one group on the west side of the road peacefully protesting and there’s another group on the east side rioting/looting. It’s all mixed together. In fact, this summer there’s been a lot of “peaceful” people who specifically go to be a human shield for the violent insurrectionists. The “Wall of Moms” and their ilk. They go with the expressed purpose to aid and abet the violence.
Looters? I thought that was just reparations?
“The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power.” –Orwell
The below comment I made on yesterday’s post on the armed people protecting the gas station. Were it the rioters or the demonstrators that were shot last night???? read yesterday’s comment below. What’s wrong with shooting looters/arsonists since one could call it a PEACEFULL SHOOT./Sar
(They Knocked out a 71 year old store owner trying to protect his store. Next thing you know, someone in a hide shooting through a loop hole with a .22 capping a couple of rioters every night, and dime to donuts, riots would stop.)
“
This absolutely would not stop the riots.
People shooting looters does not usually create a lot of outrage. Not even among BLM.
Sure, most people think it is probably an unlawful use of force, but looters don’t get much sympathy from either side.
People shooting protestors? The city will straight up burn if people start shooting protestors.
As for rioters; most people who want to shoot rioters don’t know the difference between a protestor and a rioter. And don’t seem to care about the difference either.
They use the words interchangeably because it suits their political narrative.
Exclude the rioters and you are not rioters. Allow them to hide within your ranks, and you are not “protesters” , you are part of the riot.
Simple. Now exclude them.
We try.
You clearly have not been to one of these protests.
Protests are constantly trying to keep people from doing harm to innocent businesses and constantly trying to get people to stop doing things that undermine the message of the protests.
ProtestErs want the message to get out. When they damage property they want it to be symbolic.
Many rioters only want to break stuff, no message, just carnage.
Looters are scum.
“We try”
I think that you confirmed what many of us have said in the past with that two word statement.
He’s a “volunteer medic”. It’s not the same as a “protester”. At least that’s what he says. I say he’s a full fledged member.
Lars is one of their volunteer medics? Wonder if he’s the numbnuts that put a tourniquet on a fleshwound and tore the wound further on top of it.
Volunteering to check random guys on the street for hernias does not make someone a medic.
I’m glad that I’d just put my coffee down, Hack. That is TAH gold right there.
Volunteer medic?
What are his credentials? Doesn’t matter, really. Anyone can give first aid with a basic Red Cross course in it.
Balls deep into them…
Free prostate exam with every riot?
“With sensation…”
“When they damage property they want it to be symbolic.”
Negative. When they damage property they are not protesters, they are vandals, trespassers, and rioters. Quit playing word games. You suck at it.
And there it is! Big as life.
Wondered how long it would take.
There is no try.
Do, or do not.
So far, it is “not”
-active- measures, Mr Civil Affairs.
-active- measures.
They are not doing a very good job of it.
If you have to “try” (unsuccessfully I might add) keep your “protestors” from becoming violent and looting, then your people aren’t the right people to have with you.
I don’t recall there being such issues with the crowd rioting and turning to looting for any of the 2nd Amendment or mask protests.
Kind of like people holding all police responsible for the actions of few. Somehow Hack Stone is responsible for slavery that ended 40 years before his Grandfather came to America, but we can’t hold Muslims responsible for who 19 of them did 19 years ago.
It may not create a lot of outrage, but it culls the number of numbnuts who want to steal, burn, and kill, when they start getting sniped. Most of those turds are moral and physical cowards who do this stuff because they think there will be no repercussions or consequences, like in all of the blue states so far.
And it is very easy to differentiate rioters from protesters. If they are mixed together, THEY ARE ALL RIOTERS. The “peaceful protesters” can either stop the rioters, get away from the rioters, or get shot right along with the other idiots.
This article has some nice clear pictures. You’ll see in a couple of the pictures in this article is that the wounded guy is holding a pistol. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665383/One-shot-dead-two-wounded-BLM-protesters-defy-curfew-Kenosha.html
Meat Arm guy was waving his peaceful Glock compact. And it left a mark.
Dolf Lundgren said it best:
The guy that got wounded is lucky that he’s still on this side of the daisies. He had a pistol.
He can be seen here with a pistol in his right hand.
Yeah, that picture was probably not the clearest. In case you’re not convinced, this image here you can clearly see the pistol in the wounded guys hand.
Have a pistol = target. F*ckhead should know the rules.
Holding in his right arm which looks pretty fucked up in the image….he might end up being a true “lefty” after all this is over whether he wanted to be or not….
Lost a lot of his bicep… wouldn’t be surprised if he lost his arm on the OR table.
And some scoff at the effects of 5.56
So after fanning the flames, the Governor now calls for calm?
Here’s his statement after the shooting. This is the shooting of the armed individual who had an active warrant for rape of a minor, a long history of violent behavior (to include assaulting police officers, women, and children), and a history of illegally carrying (and pointing) firearms.
https://www.weau.com/2020/08/24/gov-evers-releases-statement-on-kenosha-shooting/
And this is my shocked face..
Fire. His. Ass.
Yeah, he was hoping the lefttards he liked wouldn’t get hurt. Disappointed now.
And ammo prices just jumped 20%.
There you go again wit them negative waves
Well I shop at 0600, right coast time on wikiarms, get the bargains before everybody is up. just put 600 Federal 5.56 in foodsaver bags.
Bulk Federal 5.56 is the best bulk.
Just a year ago 1000 loose was under $300… I’m about to cry, excuse me.
I was gonna bring some old stock to my local store and trade for an old s/w .357
Invest in lead not gold.
If we waited to buy, we sure haven’t beat the rush now.
Last time I saw available, 800 for $500… long sold out now.
Threshold crossed. That was stupid.
Hey Lefties, back the fuck off before you encourage more to say “lawlessness? OK…”. Because the folks you persuade are not allies. They are opponents.
Protest all you want. Hoot, Holler, raise hell. It is as American as apple pie. Exclude the violent, or you will soon convince others to be violent. And you can’t handle it.
Can’t. Handle. It.
Back the fuck off, before you persuade folks to adopt your attitude. Please. Peaceful protest -works-. If you allow violent folks to operate within or along with you, or cover them, or justfail to exclude them, you are -not- peaceful.
Please.
They are using you. You are the intended martyrs. Marxists do that shit. They ain’t your friends, nor will they liberate anyone. And you are the eggs they’ve designated for making the next omelette.
Back the fuck off. Please. You can only destroy yourselves, not America.
Please. Non violence works. King changed the world.
Amen!
If you are destroying ANYTHING that’s not yours, you are a rioter.. very simple.. also, as the video in the link posted by Jarhead Pat CLEARLY shows, the guy with the rifle only fired at those attacking him, even the guy he eventually shot it the arm, when that dipshit backed off momentarily, and was not a threat, the shooter dropped his muzzle and didn’t fire.. until said dipshit again charged him (pistol in hand), and lost a big chunk of his bicep as a prize for his stupidity / criminality…
Updates from the Portland “peaceful protests”:
https://reason.com/2020/08/24/when-you-say-yes-to-hate-dispatch-from-portland/#comments
Read about “Alice Phallus” here:
https://pjmedia.com/uncategorized/victoria-taft/2020/08/26/meet-antifas-alice-phallus-when-shes-not-rioting-shes-a-life-coach-for-portlands-at-risk-youth-n843246
I’m surprised that this happened at a “peacful protest”…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4mY4FHyT80
Actually, I surprised it didn’t happen sooner.
If BLM and the other “protest” groups gave a darn about black lives, the protests, and the outrage, would be directed against Planned Parenthood.
PP having taken -way- more black lives than PD.
Bullshit framing,
They care about black lives.
They also care about a woman’s right to choose,
Those are not mutually exclusive views.
Your framing is so disingenuous I don’t even need to say you are full of shit…you already know you are,
You are just virtue signaling.
Desperate, grasping need for acceptance, affirmation, and belonging.
Do the math.
https://townhall.com/columnists/ryanbomberger/2018/07/16/planned-parenthood-kills-more-blacks-in-2-weeks-than-the-kkk-killed-in-a-century-n2500645
Oh stop. It’s clear that BLM only cares about certain black lives. Those killed by the cops or in cop custody.
Hit a nerve, eh?
I knew you would get triggered at the planned parenthood murder scheme mention.
You are such an idiot. The people you are defending are animals who just needed to know the cage was unlocked so they could act out.
Your liberal leadership heroes unlocked the cage with their enablement and now this is what we have.
But here you are defending it every step of the way while tossing in VIRTUE SIGNALLING statements such as “I despise looters” and “I don’t support harming of innocent citizens” and other statements as if they are a far fetched fantasy.
You are full of shit, and you know it, but you can’t back down from your fist clenched tantrum of righteousness and know-it-all-ism that has rotted your ability to think and act critically.
But you sure double space well.
Bingo.
Yeah, now that more facts are out…
This guy is a murderer. He will be convicted.
So… let’s look at some of the double standards I am seeing…
A bunch of right wing militia drive, many across state lines, armed with long rifles to “stand guard”…
The cops give them a water and mingle with them…
If carloads of black men showed up with long rifles would they have been treated the same?
If carloads of Muslim Men?
If Antifa decided to show up with long rifles and body armor?
But let’s put that aside…
This guy goes to the protest, armed. Shoots a suspected looter. Unarmed looter.
I have no personal issue with looters getting shot.
But it is against the law. In fact, it is murder in most states.
Ok. So regardless of whether you think he was wrong or not at this point…
The crowd tries to chase him down and catch him. Which actually is something you would hope of any crowd who just witnessed a murder.
He falls, and shoots the nearest person. Then shoots randomly at others, even people not near him and not a threat to him.
Shooting one, not including the one that had “attacked” him (though actually was trying to apprehend someone who likely committed murder by state law)..
That third victim was entirely innocent. His first was unlawful, second likely unlawful, third definitely unjustified and unlawful.
Then walks over to the cops who chat with him White he is still armed. While 3 people are shot, two dying
(imagine an armed black man shooting 3 people then being allowed to walk up to the cops and chat… white still armed)
Then he was inexplicably able to leave the scene. Still armed.
So regardless of whether you think shooting the looter was justified, it was not legal.
And the entire set of circumstances surrounding this issue is extremely problematic and makes it clear as hell there is a problem with law enforcement in Kenosha.
Edit; I should clarify…
These are reported “facts” so far.
Early reporting,
So let’s treat them as current reporting.
I should not have used the word “facts”…
But the current reporting is such that you all should not be defending him.
Watch the videos Jarhead Pat linked Commissar, He was being assaulted and defended himself. The first guy he shot was chasing him and throwing something at him repeatedly, while shouting “shoot me ni@@a” repeatedly. The second one shot hit him in the head with a skateboard, and the third, he initially held fire when the “medic” hesitated, but when he rushed him again WITH A GUN IN HIS HAND, he shot him once. He did not continue to fire once the threat was mitigated, he did NOT fire randomly, and as usual, you are lying!
They only way he’s convicted is a leftist judge / jury. A rational judge, viewing all the available footage (and there’s plenty) will dismiss the charges with prejudice.
And don’t forget, he remained on scene, and made a phone call (presumably to 911, call tapes will verify, if they’re not “lost”, and only fled when again attacked by the mob.
The ‘medic’ arm f*cking explodes with that last shot and a cloud of blood spray wafts down the street.
Pretty sick.
Leftists think self-defense is horrible, but beating someone and taking their stuff is good.
“I should not have used the word “facts”…”
YOU should NEVER use the word “facts”…
You can use facts to prove anything even remotely true.
#Larsfact.
Innocent until proven guilty?
Asking for O.J
Speculation isn’t fact.
Also, depriving someone of their property or means to make a living isn’t protesting.
Whatever the message these rioters are trying to send (under the guise of “peaceful protest”) is lost when destruction of property, violence or theft is involved. BLM and Antifa don’t care about people’s rights.
If you come armed to a gunfight, prepare to be shot.
Common sense.
Again, be careful what you wish for.
Protestors almost never carry.
But I can tell you that the conversation on that preference is shifting.
Go ahead–gun-up, girls–and kiss your asses goodbye…
Really?
Ask the folks in Louisville, Denver, Indianapolis, Provo, Austin, (want me to go on?) if the protestors were all unarmed.
Fucking dipshit.
Or the dead 8 year old in Atlanta… but that’s going to be a long distance call.
Good, I hope they do. That makes the firefight a bit more challenging, particularly for those of us who have really done it before. Since they display no discipline, it will simply make the body count more one sided for us, and less of them to be stupid anarchists later.
Should I bring a skateboard?
You just can’t stand it that he fucked up your heroes!
I got a kick out of the guy who got shot in the head laying there and those A-holes yelling to call the Police. Call the Police, WTF. These are the peeps who want to get rid of the Police.
These *ssholes just want power and no resistance.
Plus, they’re a bunch of spoiled snowflakes who think being given a participation trophy is their achievement.
And now, with this latest legal revelation, we find that Saint George, martyr of the current Marxist crusades, had a “Fatal Level” of Fentanyl in him, creating his breathing difficulties:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/confirmed-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-fatal-level-fentanyl-system-time-death/
(Feigning surprise) nooooooooooooo
The dude was sweating like that in May at Minneapolis’ latitude.
Completely. Shocked.
Now Poe, you know you can’t be bringing up any factual evidence in this case. DaHell you trying to do, start a riot or something?
Not that it will do any good in the grand scheme of things, but I’m glad it’s now officially recorded in the evidence chain.
Not to mention his history of hypertension and the recent hit(s) of meth in his system.
The autopsy also found no petechial hemorrhages on his face or in his eyes and the dissection of his neck found no bruising or evidence of injury. The tox report showed levels of fentanyl several times the fatal level. Had they got him into the patrol car, I bet he would have died there or at some hospital. But then the Antifa/BLM scum wouldn’t have him as a martyr.
Well, the pro basketball players refused to play tonight over the police shooting.
I knew that was going to happen once they painted BLM on the NBA courts. Regardless about how you feel about the political aspect of this, I think that once you inject politics into sports, which should give us all a break from politics, it becomes a slippery slope.
The next thing is “Why do you feel it is right to play today when X, Y, or Z happened in Any Town, USA.?”
So, then the entire sport deteriorates. Same with the NFL, although not as far yet. When they play the Black National Anthem and players sit or kneel, then they play the National Anthem and people kneel, it will overshadow the game itself.
It is getting sad. I don’t really watch basketball anyway, but I do feel bad for the fans.
Hockey is the only major sport that hasn’t totally caved to the insurrectionists. Here’s hoping the others get woke / go broke. They have become worthless, and it’ll be funny as hell to see what Lebron and the rest of these morons do when they don’t get paid millions for playing a game.. my guess is gangbanging…
The NBA revenue stream is from China.
That should now explain much.
Hockey is a violent game using cudgels and sharpened metal blades.
Not a pussy game like the NBA.
Gonna have to change that assessment Beans, the NHL just joined the ranks of asshole SJW’s and cancelled two days of games…Damn, that was the one sport I actually liked..
The LeBron James Mind-Puzzler: Do I boycott the game to be a Leftist *sshole or play because China’s paying me?
This just in ….ole Jacob Blake admitted in DOJ investigation that he had a knife….once again the poor pitiful felon victim has left the media and Black Lies Matter down…a false narrative was being pushed ….and failed …again
https://www.rt.com/usa/499156-jacob-blake-knife-arrest/
All the pro athletes that virtue signaled will look even more ridiculous when the truth comes out that they walked out on a lie.
I wonder why they don’t protest the weekly massacre of blacks in Ch-Iraq, Baltimore, NYC, ect…?
Oh, that’s right…because when blacks kill other blacks it isn’t newsworthy.
Well, it has begun. Hack is seeing Facebook posts on the recently deceased being murdered while trying to protect protesters by a white supremacist. So anyone protecting life and property from destruction is now a white supremacist. Is there any video of the shooting victim calling people pussies.
As I said previously, the Marxist revolutionaries wanted martyrs. Of course, it was the ones hanging back behind the lines who were looking for their footsoldiers to become broken eggs for the Marxist omelette.
The violence, the lies, the destruction of minority lives and livelihoods, all straight out of a century old Marxist playbook. Denied to no effect.
The Marxists claim to be liberators, while beating people to death with the slave-chains they wield.
They just lie and say happier BS than the Nazis did, that’s all.
Two of the three people he shot were white, and he had a 30 rnd mag and only fired something like 5-6 shot while surrounded by a crowd of black people…
WORST WHITE SUPREMACIST EVER!!
I Maine property tax bills come out last week of August.
Be funny if Kenosha were the same.
Car dealerships pay lots of taxes. And spend lots in advertising.
Not any more…..
Wrecking the economy and destroying the middle class is a primary objective of Marxists. If you can lift yourself up, you don’t need “liberated”.
Marxism requires masses of hopeless downtrodden. They -produce- that, then blame free people for the misery of their “utopia”.
Property values crash, Dems buy them, rebuild and bank it.
I know I am probably going to ruffle some feathers, but what in the living hell was a 17-year-old doing there armed with an AR? My question is NOT about 2A, nor is it in defense of rioters and the people who assaulted him. This kid was in a police explorer program in an adjacent state. I get that he defended himself once the attack started, but I can’t help but question why an untrained teenager was allowed to be there in the first place. I understand his intentions may have been good, but he should not have been in that precarious situation at all.
Because it was his right as a free citizen of the US to be there if he wanted to be. Just like the “protesters” imported from Illinois had a right to be there also. His actions were correct and lawful other than having that rifle, since that is a federal thing, but other than that, he did nothing wrong. He was repeatedly attacked by lunatics who wanted violence, and he out-violenced them.
USMC Steve, again, I’m not arguing his right to be there. I am questioning the wisdom of an untrained teenager being there with an AR. Trained police can’t contain what is going on, so it’s very hard to imagine that a kid could do any better on that situation. Things obviously ended badly for those who were assaulting him, and I don’t have any sympathy for their outcome. I guess I just can’t fathom the wisdom of a young man who is not even of legal age being present in such a volatile situation with a loaded firearm.
While I agree fully he should not have been there, one actually could argue that this “untrained” teenager had enough training in firearms handling to successfully defend himself from attack by taking out the two individuals who represented a possible deadly threat.
He did not kill any innocent bystanders, only what would be deemed legitimate targets on a close quarters combat range and did so while under physical attack.
The kid is supposedly a “Police Explorer” so he may well be much better versed in firearms handling than most his age. We simply don’t know.
The media and the politicians already know what the outcome will be because they’re already writing the narrative. They fail to mention the track record of the ones who were shot, of course, because that doesn’t fit. And yes, it’s possible he had some kind of training in the explorer program, but that doesn’t mean he should have been there. I’m not condemning his intentions. I’m having a problem with him being a minor and becoming part of the situation. I do agree he probably has a really good chance at a self-defense argument, but the tragedy is that he has to go through that at all. If you’re 18 or 21 and want to go stand that ground, fine. That’s an adult choice. Rittenhouse is still legally a kid with an AR. He’ll be tried as an adult, of course, and that is applicable as with other crimes. One of his parents should have known where he was going and stopped him before he ever got out the door.
I’m in complete agreement with all of that. I was just remarking that the kid doesn’t appear to be “untrained.”
I’d like to add the two cents that belong here:
1 – Rittenhouse is 17. He cannot legally carry or own a firearm of any kind on his own. That means his parents or another adult was a requirement for his handling a gun in public but none were not present.
2 – Illinois law requires an FOID to purchase, own or carry guns or ammo of any kind, and the age limit is 21.
3 – The fact that Rittenhouse crossed a state line to do what he did. His intentions may have been good, but he had already broken the law by crossing the state line alone into Wisconsin while in non-legal possession of a weapon. That alone is going to get him hammered.
You can look these things up for yourselves by typing in Illinois FOID gun laws.
All of these things are going to go against him, period. He got too big for his britches and it backfired on him. His intentions are irrelevant.
In addition, killing two people and wounding another, even thought all three were attacking him as shown on those videos, may offer mitigating circumstances in the form of self-defense, but he is still facing felony charges regarding crossing the state line and illegal possession of a gun, as well as no FOID, which he could not get for another 4 years.
He is still a juvenile and did what he did without adult supervision, meaning he has committed several felonies.
He has screwed his own pooch on this. I’m sure he meant well, but he got in WAY over his head and it has backfired on him, period.
There will be more to come on this, but (as I found by looking it up) you can NOT even buy ammo in Illinois without an FOID, and unless you are 21 or over, you CANNOT get an Illlinois FOID unless you are 21, PERIOD.
Sorry, guys, but he committed several felonies here and I don’t see any leniency in this, despite the circumstances involved.
What if he took his father’s gun and ammo?
That’s even worse. Illegal possession of a weapon, period, is a felony. Does NOT matter who owns it and Rittenhouse is NOT legally old enough to have possession of a gun, period.
In the fascist state of Illinois that is…
I don’t think it’s quite so cut and dried, especially when you have an attorney like Lin Wood.
I wondered the same thing about the wisdom of offering yourself up as a protector. If he was hired by the car dealership, the owner may get pulled into it.
Watching the videos of the shootings, to me it was clearly self-defense but it may come down to what was a proportionate level of force to deter a threat on his life. The guy that had a handgun won’t have much to stand on – the guy with the skateboard is a little iffier. To turn it around, neither of their lives were threatened and their motivation may have been vigilante justice.
This is a tough situation all the way around. If you can avoid putting yourself in a highly volatile situation to begin with, all the better. The car dealership did not have that option since his business was stationary. I don’t know if lethal force is legal to protect property, however.
All the more case for more police. Imperfect judgment rules when you have a mob.
Dunno about that. A skateboard is typically around 30-33 inches long, and weighs 2-5 pounds. That’s about as long as a shortish baseball bat – and significantly heavier. And if it’s used to hit someone such that one set of wheels or the edge strikes the intended victim, the impact will be concentrated much the same as being hit with a baseball bat.
Sounds like a potentially lethal weapon to me, particularly if (as has been alleged) it’s being used to strike someone in the head.
It would still in most states be assault with a deadly weapon. That would again, in most states, justify deadly force. Of course, with blue states, all bets are off.
Yes, in Blue states, only Leftists can attack people with deadly force– that’s “free speech” and “social justice” then, comrade!
Hondo, read what I posted re: Illinois gun laws. This kid screwed himself. Period.
Well, all the more valid case for popo doing their jobs, and more of them doing it. If they are just going to stand around there is no need for them at all.
No feathers ruffled here. I’d be pissed if that were my kid.
I guess maybe I am just looking at the age of this kid. It’s not about his right to be there. It’s still a free country (for now, anyway). I think maybe my question is about parents not knowing where their kids are and what they’re doing, no matter which side they’re on in this whole mess.
Whether he’s not guilty or guilty of whatever is coming down the pike legally, his is in for a world of hurt and lost money by the time it is all said and done. His future is not going to be the one he has dreamed about, no matter what.
I don’t have any idea what the kids situation is, but it is POSSIBLE that he’s an emancipated minor, in which case, his parents would have nothing to do with it. Like I said, I have no idea if this is the case, just pointing out that age isn’t always the only consideration.
Unless he is from Illinois, which sets minimum rifle possession age at 21, or Minnesota which I believe says 18, none of the adjoining states has a disqualifying age limit. He is probably legal.
Doesn’t matter if he is legal in his home state. Is he legal to carry it where he used it?
None of us can excuse our behavior by saying that whatever we did/did not do was legal somewhere else.
He’s from Antioch, IL. He has violated Illinois gun laws regarding possession of guns, never mind crossing a state line with a weapon.
I hardly see this as a slam dunk case for prosecutors, which makes one wonder why the intentional homicide charge? Are they purposely aiming too high knowing the case is a loser but this gets a quick arrest and hopefully a lessening of tensions around the city?
Or is some prosecutor looking to advance a career?
I’ve seen both happen before, over reach on purpose knowing the case was dead long before a trial but knowing you still had to push the case forward “for the public interest”…and we all know (or know of) ambitious prosecutors looking for a seat in congress trying to distinguish themselves at the expense of some fool.
Trying to kill someone with a molotov, a handgun or a skateboard is a great way to get shot as these people found out. There is a tremendous amount of video on this shooting and it only takes 1 out of the 12 to decide they don’t see how the kid had any choice to make this case unwinnable…
This will be an interesting case to see what happens next. I hope some decent attorney looking to promote their own career decides to take this on as I’d heard the kid had a public defender appointed when arrested…which is almost always a sure path to prison.
Justice in the US is always better served with a private attorney.
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!!!! We have a winner!
Most public defenders are overloaded with cases. Their objective in most cases is to get their clients to cop pleas so they can close files.
He will not be represented by a public defender. Lin Wood is already organizing a defense team for Kyle and a go fund me account.
Just saw that the attorney who successfully handled the Covington teen, Sandmann, is taking the Kenosha kid’s case/
Doesn’t matter: Under the U.S. and Wisconsin constitutions, anyone over the age of 21 can own a gun. But individuals can lose the right to own a gun under federal and state law.
He’s 17. He is not old enough to have unsupervised possession of a gun in either Illinois or Wisconsin. Wisconsin generally prohibits the intentional transfer of any firearm to an individual under age 18.
The state also generally prohibits the possession of a firearm by any person under age 18.
These restrictions do not apply, however, when the firearm is being used by a person under age 18 when supervised by an adult during target practice or a course of instruction.
He screwed himself big time, and your speculations and discussions are moot. He had no business being there, period.
Well, he had the right to be there, but not with a firearm. The adults who allowed him to wield that rifle should have known better, unless he misrepresented his age.
Andy Ngo has an update on the three shot… all three with criminal records.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298833015548739587
Each one of them a “pillar of the community”… “good, church-going boys”
Yep- looks like Ol’ Lefty could be facing some really neat charges including the words “felon in possession of a firearm”. Care to keep defending these people, Lars?
Even funnier, the idiot openly admitted he regretted not killing the kid. I think we’re going to see the legal equivalent of MAD in effect here, since as Ex-PH2 has brought up repeatedly, the kid screwed the pooch legally too.
Do you have a link to that, Dead Man? If so, please post it here. Thanks!
From over at Ace of Spades HQ
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=389868
Halfway down the story, EX-PH2
I apparently still can’t post links, but there are references to it in HMCS’s reply. If that post goes to the pending board, you can see it there too I guess, not sure how it’s set up anymore. It’s been a while.
However, there is a significant difference in age with the idiot being nine years older than the kid and the other two even older, a factor the courts (and juries) have been known to factor into their decisions as a greater level of mature behavior is to be expected from older parties.
There is also the fact the kid was attempting to flee and being pursued by the other three as well as others.
An attorney like Lin Wood, or whoever he finds to defend this kid, will be able to get a change of venue, where I’ll wager right now, a smaller town jury will treat the kid with leniency.
That is if the charges aren’t dropped entirely…
Amish skateboarder?
I sent Ed that story about an hour ago–don’t know whether he’s going to post it with more info or not.
Both guys were scumbags which brings the question as to who, how and why regarding the left’s recruitment of protestors.
This keeps getting better. Blake’s mother speaks kindly and highly of Trump to Don Lemon, likely causing him to wet his panties:
https://trendingpolitics.com/watch-don-lemon-shocked-after-mother-of-kenosha-man-who-was-shot-praises-trump/
There was likely a pool of pee right under his nota-man-gina.
Excellent comments and analysis. I’d like to point out something that I have not seen discussed in the media or on this discussion board. The first victim of the shooting, Joseph Rosenbaum, was seen in earlier videos taking a lead in some of the back and forth exchange by taunting “Shoot me, [n-word]!” He was wearing a red t-shirt. When he was chasing the shooter (Kyle Rittenhouse), Rosenbaum was captured on video throwing a plastic bag at Rittenhouse with something contained in the bag. Based on how the bag bounced and skidded along the concrete, its contents appeared to be heavy and would inflict pain should it have struck a human target. For this reason, many have labeled it a weapon. A unique perspective I would like to point out, however, is that Rosenbaum had removed his red t-shirt and wrapped it around his head and face not unlike professional wrestlers did to hide their true identity. I believe that a case could be made that Rosenbaum intended to do no good, i.e. illegal beat down perhaps, and wanted to keep his identity off the camera. This, in addition to already throwing an object at Rittenhouse. Rosenbaum’s prior criminal record highlights his tendency towards violence. But who knows? Maybe he took his t-shirt off and wrapped it around his face because it was a hot evening and he wanted to cool off. Also, there may have been other circumstances in the way of an altercation between Rittenhouse (shooter) and Rosenbaum (dead victim). However, in the previous video Rosenbaum clearly had an issue with the people carrying long guns at the car repair shop. There was some excellent analysis by a criminal defense attorney in Arizona on YouTube saying that there were shots fired in the air by someone not chasing Rittenhouse but Rittenhouse would not have known that those shots were not directed at him. He was being chased by someone (Rosenbaum) who appeared intent on doing harm. This attorney also summed it up well by saying both shooting incidents were clearly a case of self-defense, but due to the… Read more »
No ObamaCare? Is he paying a penalty because he doesn’t have ObamaCare?
And oh yeah, watch out for those evil “Trumpies”
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-kenosha-protestor-with-medical-bills